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Fair enough. I think that the result (from what I've seen) is better overall. The gain is a much improved functionality I think. Also, I know this is just the generic default skin...but I think it's better than the ones we had. We didn't have an in-house designed skin since v7. Even with the tasks left to go, you've done a good job Petie. I don't know how much easier the upgrade process is these days, but I remember that it used to take a long time and there was a lot to clean up manually.