Vicky

[quote name='Calypso'][COLOR="Sienna"]To [B]Retribution[/B] and [B]Whoa, Mann: [/B]I'm not ignoring the fact that there are [I]many [/I] other sins out there. I'm just replying to the main point of this thread. It's about sexuality. If there was one about being disrespectful to my parents, I would be debating in that one, too.If there was one about any of the others sins, I would debating there, too. I can focus on something else if you want, but I wanna stay on topic.:catgirl: [/COLOR][/QUOTE] [size=1]I think you missed their point. I think what they're saying is, especially clear in Retri's post, is why some sins are ignored and the homosexuality rule is rigorously obeyed. Are you wearing mixed fabrics right now? That's a sin. You are, therefore, as bad as homosexuals. And that question has been asked a million times in this thread, but never answered. A 'I'm not sure' would surely suffice =p.[/size]

[size=1]I'm not allowed to be homosexual because the Bible says so. In accordance to the Bible, slavery is fine and I want my own slaves. But, tell this to the majority of Christians and they'll be rather shocked and say "well, that's wrong!". Yet my sexuality comes as another shock, "well, that's wrong!". Also, you're talking about laws that were intended for the Israelites here. There are even Jewish people who say that Gay Jews are allowed to adopt because it's in occurrence with one of their commandments. If Christianity is following Israelite's law and guidance then they should follow it all - you're not allowed to mix clothing and do all these odd kind of stuff. It's funny, you see, as Jewish people follow Leviticus (well Orthodox, anyway) to the letter but they do not condemn others, nor force it down anyone's throat, nor protest, or probably even mention it to you. They never say it is wrong, either, because Jewish people are in the understanding that it is [i]guidance[/i]. Christianity rejects the majority of Jewish law except this one - and then proceed on the basis that it's wrong. [B]Edit: I wasn't ignoring your post Clurr, my post was actually inspired by yours, I just forgot to mention that, as it's rather late in the night over in Jolly Ol' England. ^_^;;[/b][/size]

[quote name='Calypso'][COLOR="Sienna"]What's in Japanese Sushi bars? I thought sushi was made of raw fish........whether you're relegious or not, you're going to have to pay the price for either sin you do. Pigs eat well-anything. If you think about where the pork comes from [I]while[/I] you're eating it, it'd be easier for you to dislike it. same thing with homosexuality.[/COLOR][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Avoiding the question (but the answer is that you can find shrimp and all sorts of nasty sinful things in a sushi bar). Why are there not riots and picketing over the other sins such as the food laws? Why am I not allowed to have my own salves, as the bible dictates, if I'm not allowed to be homosexual, as the bible dictates?[/size]

[quote name='Calypso'][COLOR="Sienna"] Ah, okay then. Read that part. However,[/COLOR][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Damn quote doesn't show up inside a quote... Anyway, it's a fine example of a contradiction. And even if it isn't taken as contradictory, my point still stands: homosexuality is spoken of in the very same text, yet slavery is an exception. As is eating all these animals you're not supposed to eat - why are there not religious zealots outside Japanese Sushi bars? Why are there not religious people picketing outside farms who produce pork? Because homosexuality is so much easier to dislike as there's a name to the face of 'evil'. Unless you can give me another reason, then I applaude you, or anyone, to do so. What makes homosexuality so different from eating pork? Remember all sins are equal.[/size]

[quote name='Calypso'][COLOR="Sienna"]To Vicky: Where so? [/COLOR][/QUOTE] Leviticus 25:44-46 (NIV) : "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

[size=1]The bible says a lot of things. God also says we're allowed to buy slaves - why don't we, then? This is the really weird thing. People are all too willing to jump out and say "it's wrong because the bible said so," but they ignore the majority of the bible itself. And their excuse? "It's the modern age - that passage on slavery was written in a time when so and so...". There's so many things you should not do in the bible but people do it anyway because, you know, it's not [i]as bad[/i]. And the New Testament is not an excuse to ignore the Old. Why? Because: [quote]Matthew 5:17-18 (ESV), "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."[/quote] If the bible will be used to condemn and promote the law, then the whole bible should be use, and not just picking bits out because homosexuality is the easiest thing to have a go at. I don't think whether or not homosexuality is natural should be a problem, either, because humanity has changed diversely beyond the natural. There are many things that are unnatural today, including faith. We developed it. And if there's the argument that homosexuality isn't natural, then it shouldn't matter, and it's as much a part of us as faith, reason and science. You condemn such a lifestyle then you might as well reject all forms of this, too.[/size]

[quote name='Katakidoushi']If I catch your drift, and I believe I do, you're referring to "Mom jeans". The high rise jeans that come above the belly button, and may or may not have a stretch waistband. Mom jeans also tend to end about 1-2" above the shoes showing just enough of her black socks to tease you. I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.[/QUOTE] [size=1]Yep, those are the ones. But there's also the jeans the younger generation wear... they're hard to explain. Like feminine, not baggy bit not skin fitting, sort of trailing down over the heels and dragging along the floor. They're hard to explain but... the majority of the lesbians around our Gay Village scene have the same style. And the same hair! THE SAME CUTS! Silly girls. It's probably something to do with the L Word...[/size]

[quote name='Calypso'][COLOR="Sienna"]NO WAY!!! :animeangr The only thing that's close to cross-dressing is guys wearing pink shirts..........then that's hot. Well only on one guy I've seen. :catgirl:But as far as them cross-dressing, thumbs down.[/COLOR][/QUOTE] [size=1]David Bowie? Mick Jagger? Richey James Edwards? The general connotations for drag are men with beards and obvious male bodies under big dresses and stupid wigs. The cross dressers I'm referring to have such lean bodies that they could easily pass off as women; shaven faces, beautiful make-up that isn't slutty, real, well-cared for hair and so good at it that they're mistaken for women. The only way I know is because I know them as men, and sometimes they don't even have to try; I have this friend who's constantly mistaken for a girl, because of his hair and make-up, and he pulls off cross-dressing the hottest way ever. That, and, feminine men are incredibly lovely as well. As in Richey James and... the majority of the [i]good[/i] oldies band members. Not simply wearing pink shirts =p.[/size]

[quote name='Calypso'][COLOR="Sienna"]Wow. It's cool that you wear emo style.....................anyways, what styles do you find attractive on the opposite sex?[/COLOR][/QUOTE] [size=1]Haha not really opposite... A lot of things. Ripped tank tops or just general plain t-shirts. Jeans that aren't 'lesbian' (you know, you see half of the lesbian population running around in the same style jeans), or a bit ripped and roughed up, maybe the men's jeans you buy from NEXT - have you ever seen a girl with an amazing dancer body wearing a perfectly fitting t-shirt and then men's trousers that only fit her waist? Of course, it's not incredibly baggy and crap, but it's rather... nice. That's just the 'normal' thing I like. Take it one step further: girls who have mohawks (this rule does not apply if the said mohawk is bigger than mine used to be... I'm very sensitive about that but it's difficult to get any bigger) and lots of nice things on their t-shirts. Rips are nice again. Mini skirts or tartan, lovely stuff. Leopard print, but not the stupid mainstream crap people wear, imaginatively worn. Leather jackets or denim with studs in or patches. Docs. You know, all that kind of crap - as long as they don't look like a man afterwards, because that's my job. And the final step? No, it wouldn't be no clothes at all. I should probably leave this one out... In the unlikely reality that I turn around and say that a boy is good looking (not that I'm necessarily attracted to them) then it's normally, again, with the punky stuff because these are the kind of wildlife I'm used to. I don't like the silly mainstream modern third-wave crap that goes on nowadays, I prefer the originals who do it themselves rather than buy the band t-shirt and have a fauxhawk. I also like cybergoths - they're pretty. The majority of them, anyway. Boys who cross dress are quite good looking as well.[/size]

[size=1]I'm pretty sure I was born gay. There's just absolutely no emotion between me and a man - it's not about the physical at all. I can kiss a man but I'd never love a man and it's always been like that, despite how long it took me to realise it out of about ten years of being extremely uncomfortable. There's also been a lot of insight, theory and possibly proven now (I haven't kept up) into the 'gay gene'. Which there probably is one in my family, seeing as my uncle is gay. Also, the whole 'sex only for procreation' thing fails because dolphins - an animal through and through by standards - are the only other creatures who have sex for pleasure. That was built into them as an instinct but obviously evolved into something else. And, dolphins have also been shown to engage in homosexual behaviour (also there have been claims in the same behaviour with other animals but, again, I haven't looked into that). I don't think there's any difference between love between straight couples and gay couples, the only difference being the gender. Saying that is pretty much discrimination and almost demeaning if it's implied straight love is better, somehow, because it's... normal. Personally, I think straight couples are pretty weird myself. Matter of opinion and perspective.[/size]

[align=justify]The music blared through the speakers, except it was seldom paid attention to by the occupants. The tables, placed in deliberation to the Birdcage’s purpose, were washed and shined to reflect the dim lights above. It was a sheen, slick and clean place, shrouded in the faintest hint of darkness. The darkness. Let’s not forget the darkness, now. The Birdcage was filling up now, slowly, until [I]she[/I] decided to enter the demon’s belly. Clad in a pinstripe suit loosely but neatly worn, a fitting black hat that hid the majority of her eyes and a cane – that cane that always came first – made from ivory with a metal goat’s head wielded to its top. She was followed closely by a tall and lanky man, whose boyish features were placed upon a pale face, and bleak black hair that was pulled down with texturising gum right to the tip of lines of medusa piercings on his lips. Thalia Sin (taken without question as her real name) took one glance around with almost hollow and lazy, unfocused eyes. She bit her lip in a brief thought before moving forward weaving through the tables and chairs with her lacky, commonly known as Stretch for his size and other measures, followed behind her fidgeting with his cuffs. She observed the throbbing crowds for a short period of time, watching them grow and mingle about, the majority of them in some form of intoxication or slumped away in unconsciousness on the blood-coloured furniture in the corners of the club. The quicket of smiles traced across her black painted lips at the very thought of that. They took themselves into the public bathroom located beside the stage that was brighter than the club itself and plastered with mirrors. It was empty except for one man washing his hands, who glanced up at Sin only briefly wondering why a woman was in the men’s toilets. With a demeaning glare from Stretch the man quickly looked away, lowering his head and sulking his way out. “It’s a good job this place is our second home,” she told Stretch, “else we wouldn’t have this advantage.” She took the cane and jammed it under the door handle, the other end stuck against a slightly raised tile; deliberately raise and damaged long ago. “Umhm.” Stretch replied from his throat. He reached for one of the mirrors, jolting his arm slightly so it unhooked off the wall and laid it down beside the sinks and expertly raising his hands to catch the white bag Sin tossed at him. “Don’t you dare take more than your share. Unless we want a repeat.” Stretch’s expression suddenly became a little worried and his hand ghostly touching the causal bruise below his jaw line. “Um. Yeah.” He said, respectfully despite his limited speech. He poured a dump onto the mirror and took out his credit card, expertly cutting them lines. He finished and looked over at Sin and blinked at her. “You better be careful it doesn’t get stuck in your nose ring this time.” She told him bluntly as she took off her hat (an unruly mess of blonde and contrasting black hair underneath, cut short just below the ears and her eyes thick with liner). “Um. Good point.” He toyed with the ring for a moment and let a smile play on his face. “My rings always get in the way.” Sin sighed out through her nose in some sort of laugh before taking up the first line, then the second, then the third. That taste like horrible rocky grit resided in the back of her throat and her nose burnt, causing her to shake her head a little in sheer irritation. Stretch moved to take his line and fingered some of the substance to straighten it up. All of a sudden, Sin grabbed his wrist, taking a look at a scarring tattoo, an unprofessional goat head outline, red and burning. “It’s healing quite well, isn’t it?” she asked him expecting the reply. “Yeah. It is, actually.” Sin thread his hand down forcefully and scoffed. “Obviously. Now hurry the fuck up.” They re-entered the main part of the club without much difference to their attire or demeanours, like it was under complete control (after awhile substance abuse became normal, and the only abnormal thing was when her system was without). They sat down at a table close to the main stage with a few other occupants sitting down with them, giving a respectful and courteous greeting to Sin and blatant ignorance to Stretch. Soon and sound enough the club became hazy with the faintest smell of weed, a joint being passed around at the back and one passed around at Sin’s table by men in tuxedo’s and jewels. When Sin took her drag she refrained from letting her head fall back and instead threw it forward to her chest, revelling in the sensation of relaxation mixed with surging, pumping heat from the other drug. She took more than her share off the joint but no one said anything, nor [I]intended[/I] to. “Who is it tonight?” Sin asked. “The only one that actually puts on a show.” One of the men replied with half a grin. “Oh,” Sin smirked, “I see.” It wasn’t hard for Sin to follow whom they spoke of as she herself had kept tabs on this particular entertainer for some time. She rested the cane between her legs and clasped her hands in front of her when the music changed, the said performer entering onto the stage with another. Sin was watching so intently that she passed up the second joint that was handed around with a fierce waving of her hand. She watched the movements before her – planned, timed, divine and provocative – an eyebrow raising slightly at the sound of the deerskin. When it came to the most interesting part, the part in which Sin was reminded of her own sadomasochistic tendencies, she found her hands more relaxed on the tip of the cane, running circles around the goat horns. Again her painted black lips twitched into a tiny smirk, which then drew into a full-fledged demon grin and a bit on her lip when blood was drawn. It was so sweet and tender that she had to bit her lip even harder to stifle a laugh. Sin began to run her long fingernails over her palms and glanced at Stretch who, upon seeing the surface piercings and ribbons, touched his own mass of piercings over his lips and swallowed down his gay pride (though he was in fact attracted to anything). Sin ran her hand as far down the length of the cane as she could before gripping it and pulling it up, hugging it to her shoulder and running her fingers down the ivory (as it would be relatively uncomfortable to watch and sit so still). The end took place and Sin watched the blood above all else. She narrowed her eyes at the stage, at the one performer whose name echoed the shameful desires of everyone else in the room. With another bite of her lip Sin turned to Stretch, who had been caught with a quivering lip. “See if you can get the attention of… [I]her[/I],” Sin told him refraining from the use of any name or status, “bring her over here. Or at least bring me near her.” Stretch nodded.[/align]

[quote name='Crimson Spider']Extremism is in the eye of the beholder. There is fact in this universe, and chances are that one way IS better than the other. I am willing to argue that my way is better than their way, and I will do so honestly, logically, and open to criticism. Also, I am not generalizing a group of individuals as much as I am just generalizing the ideal.[/QUOTE] [size=1]That's funny, since 'your way' was derived from the East itself (who do you think invented the zero?). Your way takes things from every other part of the world - so it's not 'your way' at all, it's a combination of everything there is. Developed. Why don't you let them develop [i]their[/i] own way? The West also had a brutal and horrible history as well until it became... hmm... Westernised.[/size]

[quote name='Crimson Spider']Personally I am a little annoyed at the lack of social evolution in the middle east. Their cultures blame the indirect action of individuals as a cause, and give fault only to the victims. Their cultures norm is to become insulted and lash out in anger whenever they are confronted. I can't wait for them to "westernize" eventually. [/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]And why? For one, they're in the East - to say they become Westernised is pretty much implying the West is better. Let them have their own way of life and leave them alone (I'm not saying the country is amazing in its violence and war, but for that to change they don't have to be Westernised).[/size]

[quote name='DeLarge'][SIZE=1]You called, SunfallE? We need a Doctor Who horn that shall be blown from the highest mountain in OtakuLand, and all the fans across the 'Boards shall be united. [/SIZE][/QUOTE] [size=1]You mean, like, the five of us that skill exist? XD[/size]

[quote name='outlawstar69']Something I'm curious about, here: When did the messy argument begin where you had to take sides, between those who advocated science, and those who advocated religion? I suppose it goes beyond ID vs Creationism, but haven't there a few (long) period of time when places of religious study, and places of scientific research went hand in hand? [/QUOTE] [size=1]Of course - you know, like Einstein said: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." It's quite possibly for an opposing theory to strengthen the religious theory with a bit of imagination and creativity behind it. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't like to see it that way - it's black or white, never acknowledging there's a mode of grey in between. Then again people go on that this kind of thinking makes me too open minded =/ Better than a closed book, eh?[/size]

[size=1]Unfortunately, the documentary I watched I forgot to record (I was planning on doing so to use it as a reference). Which makes me point seem really... shrewd. Going off what I remember, a zoologist (he was also some kind of primate expert if I recall) recited how that when two monkeys had a fight and one went away, another monkey would go over to them and, on occasions, even put their arm around them. There were also points he discussed where the monkeys displayed general concern and compassion for one another - not as strongly as a human I suppose - that can be seen in a zoo. Arguably this can be penned as simple animal behavior, but the recorded images shown had some intriguing implications. I'm determined to find it. However, there's a lot of videos on youtube relating to primate social structure and primates using tools - which isn't evident in any other animal so far as I'm aware. I'll do some digging for you folks anyways. [B]EDIT: I found the documentary it's in - the Genius of Charles Darwin, Part Two. I'll do some more digging to find the actual clip on youtube or something.[/b][/size]

[quote name='Drizzt Do'urden']Oh dear god, I don't care if I get assaulted for writing this. I took a drink of water just before I started reading your post and most definitely choked on half and am wearing the other half. [/QUOTE] [size=1]You understand sarcasm and jokes, I assume? ¬_¬ Twice in one thread! I'm done.[/size]

[quote name='Drizzt Do'urden'](oh and Vicky my bringing up WWII is for you next time you say please don't save us :animesmil) [/QUOTE] [size=1]Pish posh. We should have been left for dead, Germany had no quarrel with us really. Can't even remember what we were doing in the war. You should have let us diiiiee! Oh, and remember - war is money. I don't mean oil, I mean for the banks (Government gets its money from the World Bank - they loan it with interest. War means more guns, more ammunition, tanks and all that crap - therefore the Government must loan more money and more money later for the World Bank. And yes, this is an insane conspiracy theory... I'm sure there's evidence somewhere! Watch your Zeitgeist Movie peoples!).[/size]

[quote name='Anime_girl5']1) everyone has a religion. No matter what they believe. they can say that they dont have one. Even tho they do. 2) I dont care if you call me a kid. I'm sure u are way older than me... but I know shes 16. and I am older. 3) My spelling is for the computer. I dont spell like this for school! It's faster, and better. 4) Actully, there are other people out there who believe what I believe. And they know more about it than I do. I mean as comparing myself to her, and I guess u now. Cause have entered this... But I'm sure that I know more about it than ya'll do. 5) The Bible backs me up. Try reading it. It wouldnt Kill you! I know for a fact that it's right. I wasnt lied to. and I've written papers on other religions, and the Bible backs me up. and has proven people wrong. 6) it feels like I'm getting a bad rep. and dont get christians wrong. right now I'm ticked and tired, but I never give up. Christians try to serve God, and do his will. We spen hours knocking on peoples doors, witnessing. And go to church many times. Btw, I'm not Catholic. Being Catholic is not christian. Theres many diffrent belifes there. 7) I dont think u own the forum... If I wanted to I would witness on here. But I'm smarter than that. :) I know when it is the right time to witness. And nows not the time. If I did witness to you, trust me it wouldnt be on here. btw, I wanna make friends on here. so if I get into fights with any of ya'll. I would rather put friendship over that. :) I just thought that I would say that. :):animeswea:catgirl:[/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]She? The mother's cat? Seriously. There's no point in arguing because you don't want to see past yourself. Keep it up - and we'll see where it gets you along here. Because we're not all Christian and we're not all under the illusion that we're above those who do not believe. Also, some of the very statements you've made show you don't know more about religion than 'us all'. I'll respect your beliefs but I don't think I'm under any obligation to condole you're attitude. Back to the topic and away from the dungeon - I just watched a documentary on evolution. What does everyone think to apes showing some form of morals (I can pull up the evidence if you like)? That kind of links them to mankind, somewhat.[/size]

[quote name='Anime_girl5']I have the Bible to back my up 100%. and if u were any more open u would fall apart. LOL sry I just had to say that. anyways... actully, u didnt know charels! no one on this forum did. no one is perfectly right. but I am allowed to go by I have learned. it's part of freedom of speech. U cant back what what you believe. U dont believe that theres a God, so i'm guessing that u dont believe in heaven or hell. man, even tho I dont know u, I would rly hate to see you go to hell. read a track, the bible (KJV) thats all the proof I need. And my religion goes by what God wants. His way! The only right way. " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever belieth in Him shoukd not perish, but have everlasting life" : John 3:16 Dude, I want to witness to you, but u'll get all freaky on me. and this is not exactly the place to witness. My religion is not organised. It's a happy one. The only one you can find peace and happiness. Good luck on finding it anywhere else. because you cant. without Christ you are nothing. and that goes along with everyone. and how old r u? Unless u r WAY older than me, I do not believe that u shall call me a kid. :) but that depnds on u... OH btw! Ths Bible, thats right. Written by men. IN their own words, God guieded their hand. Gave them the knowleg on what to write. all the things in the bible r true. God worked on the earth for 6 days, and took a rest on the 7th, which is a Sunday. dude, I know WAY more about my religion than u'll ever know. See... pretty much the bible was written by God. God made the earth. Simple as that. if you can understand that. well there ya go, somthings wrong. I dont see how someone cant understand sokthing so simple. But for you to really understand it all, you would have to read the bible ( KJV). Btw, in the other Bible's, they're written by man. God says never change my word, and man has. The KJV is the only one that has not been changed. I havce been going to church my whole life. Saved and everything. So trust me I know what I am talking about. Everyone has a voice. I will hear yours... only if you are willing to hear mine. thank you very much....:animesigh[/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Please stop dictating to me what I already know. My family is Catholic. I went to Catholic schools all my life. I have the top grade in my former high school in Theology. The woman who taught me philosophy was an avid Christian. I'm studying Theology and I plan to do so in University - [i]do not[/i] dictate to me what I already know as if I'm some uneducated idiot. And, trust me, I know what [i]I'm[/i] talking about. And I'm allowed to go by what I learnt. The difference between me is that I'm not accusing Charles Darwin of being arrogant - you are. I already stated I cannot back what I believe, but I'm not throwing out random statements and claiming I'm an [i]idiot[/i] (don't call me simple, please) because I do not believe what you believe. I don't believe God created the world - I ACKNOWLEDGE IT AS A THEORY - I'm not ignorant. Do not claim I cannot find happiness elsewhere because - shock horror - I can and I have. I'm perfectly happy and content in my own faith. Do not claim I am nothing because I don't believe in your Saviour. Do you want me to make silly claims because you don't acknowledge other theories as a possible alternative? No, because, lo and behold, I have some shred of respect for other people. DO NOT ASSUME you know more about religion than someone when you've never met them or even talked to them. As I stated I plan on studying theology LONG after I'm done with education - why do you assume because I'm not a theist, you know more than me? You just committed a sin - pride and arrogance. How does that feel? I am willing to hear yours but I'm not willing to listen to that kind of attitude, the attitude that assumes I'm some sort of uneducated atheist who knows nothing about religion and doesn't fathom other theories. I acknowledge - I don't have to believe nor do I want to. Let's not assume, either, from this post I'm not listening to you. Disagreeing does not mean ignorance, I listen and I have my own conclusions from everything people have ever said to me. Religion is beautiful and wonderful in the right hands, the majority of my friends are Christians and I respect them because they respect my belief. That's all it is, a Christianity in a world of belief. Choose your words carefully next time and try not to insult people in every line, thanks, kid.[/size]

[quote name='Allamorph'] Look to Britain.[/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Heed these words, America. ...just don't come and save us.[/size]

[quote name='Anime_girl5'] Read the Bible, the KJV, and u'll understand. Dont let the foolish world tell you what else. The bible says it all! [/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Written by men (carrying the original sin therefore imperfect). Interpreted by men. Dictated by men. An authority over people - don't let authority be the truth, kid. I'm all for religion but organised religion is another thing; if you're going to believe then think about what you're believing in and actually give some kind of evidence, philosophical, scientific or even remotely logical, to back it up. Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. Also, I don't think you know if Charles Darwin had any pride of not. You didn't know him, meet him, see him. We can only go off his work - and if coming up with alternatives, whether it be true or false, is pride then nearly everyone is guilty of this little sin. You have your god. I have none. So unless you can come up with something more than just statements, you have very little right to say "it's all just bull" because all that 'bull' is [i]my[/i] belief. You don't hear me saying your belief is 'all bull'. Equal respect kid.[/size]

[size=1]I think the closest I ever came to embroidering were studs, haha. I don't use studs though unless there's another layer between the said stud and my leg because the prongs cut you up to hell. Iron on's are the best. People complain they don't last long, but if you turn your shirt inside out and don't wash it on the tumble wash they can last for years and years. And drying it with heat can melt it off sometimes... I once had a massive smiley RAVE face that melted into... well actually it looked cooler than before XD I actually made something else about an hour ago - completely hand made, no stencils or references except for my head. And it's very difficult to do (I messed up copying one of the symbols for the right side so I just improvised that a bit and I like it). And yes, I am obsessed with this phrase. It's like when people wear crosses, I guess =p. [url=http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/23/l_ac2e9d39d79b46479f35f0aec4e7fc3e.jpg]Here.[/url] Needs to be done over again with the fabric markers though so it looks solid instead of a bit patchy (and I'm royally pissed off that the dots went a bit wonky).[/size]

[size=1]Was the Face of Evil where the Doctor had his face carved in stone/a mountain? It's a long time since I watched Tom Baker! The Deadly Assassin has gotta be the best one of his series though. Martha was probably best but Donna? Nah, David had no one to bounce off - the last series wasn't as good as the others methinks. Story had some potential, I reckon, but otherwise... it was just Catherine Tate. No one can take her seriously XD. Oh and erm before I get in trouble for being off topic... welcome everyone![/size]

[quote name='TimeChaser'] - Womb-to-the-tomb Doctor Who fan [/QUOTE] [size=1]*Narrows eyes* Are you a fan of the oldie-series or the new one? Choose wisely! Not that I would honestly hurt you for choosing one or the other (though I might call you an infidel again =p ), I was just curious considering I'm an avid oldies fan. You know, with all the cheap effects - gotta love the beginnings! (I do love the new series though. David Tennant's a star - lost his appeal in the last season though because he had a obviously crap co-star).[/size]