Decadence

Retribution, this is what I was basing the capitalist comment on. (It may be bias but it makes sense to me.From another forum I use.) [Quote=hopscotch anthill] Racism is a means of perpetuating class differences. For instance, in early American society white slaves and black slaves were treated equally bad. The result? The whites and blacks intermixed ? joining cultures, marrying, and having children togethor ? and built up strong feelings of solidarity. Then they started to rebel. To squash these slave rebellions the ruling class instituted a division between white servants and black slaves. When blacks alone started to rebel they divided them along the lines of 'field' slaves and 'house' slaves. The same practice is used by the modern ruling class; however, to some extent the ruling class has ended radical racism. The ruling class needs a permanent underclass of poor laborers and a race-based division works well for them but they need live underclasses. This is why Black Liberation would be one of the biggest blows to the capitalists in America.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Legible Rants] Really - "Gun Preacher" - it doesn't matter. People really only have a few things to worry about in life - and it is not what others think of us or do to us. Live your life in the grace and glory of God. [/QUOTE] Ok, so that line probably has to be the most counter-progressive reactionary line in the entire topic so far. By that line of thought what the point of doing anything, voting, fighting racism, sexism, any other negative "ism"? (that is not supposed to be insulting, just bringing up the point that that kind of thought leads to stagnation and no change is things that are moraly wrong, or any other kind of wrong you want to assign to it.) But on to my views, Racism along with sexism, discrimination based on whom you love; age-ism, etc. are all disgusting. I can't say 'Oh I have many black/Latino/Asian friends." but I do have some of each, skin color doesn't really matter to me, if my interests are the same as yours well then we could be friends. (The place I live is mostly white, think of the movie "the stepford wives" (or what ever it was called) and you have around where I live.) And in response to the whole "you speak like a white girl" comment earlier in the thread. Very racist, Very capitalist. Comments like that won't go away until the class system is disbanded. There is no such thing as white talk, black talk, Latino talk. They are accents but attributing them to races is more a mater of where some one lives, which is all a matter of money. Resist, Refuse, Rise up, Revolt!

"They may torture my body, break my bones, even kill me. Then they will have my dead body. Not my obedience!" -Gandhi Sums up my view of life that the only two authorites worth listening to is a just one, and your self. If a tyrant has to kill of his controlled then he has no more controlled and though you may be dead you have still defeated her in ultimate sacrifice.

Sounds quite fun. First off would be Fidel Castro and Che Guevara Vs. George Bush and Dick Cheney. (Two revolutionaries Vs. Two reactionary capitalist.) secondly. Al Frankin Vs. Bill O'Riely (did i spell his last name right?) (Inteligent witty politcal talk show host vs fat blubbering [B]ignorant[/B] blowhard) Third Emma Goldman Vs. Carnigie (Anarchist Vs. Capitalist.)

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I don't have the time at the moment to read all the posts, but I read most of the first page, and some one mentioned that no one in America goes around painting Jesus on crack. This is true, but I take it you've never scene some of the shirts and pictures in the "Punk music scene" With in the punk scene there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment. Mostly aimed at Christians but that is because they are the largest religion with in the western world. *WARNING* do not look at links if easily offended, or you will take my presenting this information as a personal attack. I?m just pointing out that stuff like this happens here in America too, just not in newspapers. Just felt this would be informative, sorry if this has already been stated. And again my aim here is to inform, not to offend, I leave that to the bands them selves. [url]http://interpunk.com/itemimages3/100717.gif[/url] [url]http://interpunk.com/itemimages3/85433.jpg[/url] [url]http://interpunk.com/itemimages3/99711.jpg[/url]

These baby's already have their idols: Frat boys.

As biased as my opinion is, I do not like the Rotzi's. Though this comes from my dislike of military in general, and the fact that, to me, it is nothing more then government hired professional killers, and having them trained in high school, got to indoctrinate them early you know. And yes I am a pacifist. I do not like the military but I do respect the people in it as much as I don't agree with it.

[color=dimgrey]My title, well to it have any meaning at all it requires you to have some knowledge of the ska scene past and present, either will do. But depending on what time you know of the title has different meaning. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rude_boy[/url] Rude Boy as it is applied to me has more meaning in the newer ska scene sense of the word. But the fashion in the scene remains the same, suits and such. So to sum up, Its my title because I'm really into what people would call the ska scene.[/color]

[color=dimgrey] This is some what an aside, but for all you people who are surprised a record lable is carrying them, there are rascist lables. one example is a lable by the name of Panzerfaust. It carrys mostly skinheads who play metal, but I just thought I'd point this out.[/color]

[QUOTE=Warmaster]You can't "disprove creation" in basically the same way you can't "disprove an underwater "atlantean" race of superhumans with webbed feet living on our planet." Maybe they're just eluding us? It's empty logic, if you know what that is.[/QUOTE] If that is the case, you also can't disprove evolution. And again it is coming down to a book. If you don't want your child being taught evolution, just... er teach them ID at home, and leave the rest of us out of it. Even if the christian social group is the majority, they really need to stop making such a big deal, I'm sorry you lost a court case a good bit of time ago (I can't remember the exact date) and you really need to stop trying to overturn old presidents because you are on power trips. And by the way this ebtire contraversy is probly driving away a lot of people who would have looked into christianity. And warmaster you can't prove ID any more then you can prove we are not in the matrix being harvested as energy sources for robots. I know that isn't much of a contribution, but I really felt the need to say something. And evolution is only a theory, albeit the best one we have, and most probable one. Also how are atheist children supposed to deal with being taught ID when they are told at home a god or gods do not exist? PS: Unless I misunderstood you war. PPS: I keep using the matrix as an example because it is the only thing I can think of that would seem equally absurd to both sides.

[color=dimgrey] Chabichou the human to pig "Myth" is also used in the Odyssey. This does not invalidate your statement, just thought I should bring up the fact that the human to pig idea has been seen before.[/color]

[color=dimgrey]Ok,I ignored PyroGirl's comment before, but the "Deal with it"part really bugged me. If you don't want to be harrassed about being Christian, don't go around announcing it. Simple as that. Also test's don't check what you know, they check to see if you've been listening in class. So you answer as the class dictates, not what you believe. If i beleaved that this world was just a creation of my mind, or that we are in the matirx (as an example) answering that would flunk me. (And get me deleted from the system) But if i answered as the class dictated, it would prove that I payed attention in class, not that I beleaved what they were teaching. PS: The Matrix was used to lighten up this subject. PPS: Also teaching ID makes a test on it moot, because the answer to every question is "A Higher being created it." thats the entire depth of the subject. Unless you want to infuse relegion into it, which lets think about this... yep pretty sure its illegal. So you can deal with "Us Godless Heathens" having control the government. Ps-pps: "Godless heathens" is not to be taken seriously. [/color]

[quote=] "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."[/quote] [color=DImGrey]Banning porn in general includes banning all afore mentioned subjects. As little as that contributes to this discussion I felt I needed to point that out.[/color]

[color=dimgrey]Just something I thought of, some one really needs to tell Bush (I refuse too see him as my president, not my fault 51% chose wrong) to "stop trying to save my soul for me, I'll either save it my self, or laugh all the way down to hell."[/color]