Maully

[color=green]Pre-pubecent means not having reached puberty yet... I don't see the big deal. I suddenly find myself very behind, I've slept through all 4 episodes from the last 2 weeks...Now I'm all confused. Mostly I want to know what happened to Y. Bakura and the real Malik.[/color]

[color=green]Apples are notorious for being the fruit of the forbidden tree, even though it is never said in the Bible what kind of fruit is was. Apples, therefore, represent the Fall of Man, and the the moral shortcomings of man. In the case of trigun, it also IMO, symbolizes the redemption of at least one particular soul. It is in finally capturing the apple that Wolfwood frees himself from his lifetime of sin and suffering. [/color]

[color=green][size=1]Tara came down stairs to find Metta and Garm asleep on the couch. Metta had her head on Garm's shoulder, and he had his arm around her. Tara did laugh to herself when she saw Metta's notebook. [i]Always business, aren't you, Metta?[/i] She looked at the list: Animal deaths, Ambush attacks Strange new people Chance Sel and Dango's disappearance Tara shook Metta. She woke, groggy... "Tara, hi. What time is it?" "8:30, we've overslept. It doesn't look like you mind much though." Tara and Metta went to kitchen to fix some breakfast. toast and hashbrowns. Garm soon smelled the food and joined them. "I told you you'd be safe with me around," he smirked. They ate and then set about setting up the house for the meeting. It would be in the living room this time, and Garm, Metta and Tara would stand in the front. Tara and Metta went to the store to get some refreshments, and Garm went over Metta's notes. They were starting to wory, though. Sel and Dango had been missing for a full day.[/color][/size]

[color=green]I am not sure about that pairing either, really... And I really dislike the Eve corrupted Adam thinking. It's blaming the fall of Man on woman, when Adam could have said "No" The serpent corrupted them. That's is why Adam's admonishment from God was much more sever. Not to mention, in Trigun thining... If that's the theory we are following... Knives was not nearly as successful as Eve was in corrupting the subject. [/color]

[color=green]We all kind of gave up with you, MillieFan. Maybe that's why it never got better. SO...inteligence, let's see if I can muster some up. Jazzlady, you're along for this ride to, I'm counting on you... Let's talk about religious references in Trigun, as there are many... Let's start with Wo;fwood. He's is obviously a priest, but what other religious aspests can we magnify about him? I find it interesting that a cross, the tool Jesus used to forgive the world's sins, is Wolfwood's tool for vengence. Just a start.[/color]

[color=green]You could always go in drag. That's what my brother did. My god, he was an [i][b]ugly[/i][/b] woman. I wore the same clothes for 3 days. I bathed and washed them, of course, but no one else knew that. For another Soc. class, (I have a minor in it) I wore all my clothes inside out. Social deviace is easy...[/color]

[color=green]My life is escapism... I have stupid friends who care nothing for politics or the world at large. Therefore, I seek out venues that stress politicism and make you think. I am tired of beign mindless. I am not saying that this is what everyone wants, not by a long shot. I do agree though that it diduse to get done with a lot more grace. It was not as in your face, and I miss that. [/color]

[color=green]It feels knid of like a tug of war in here... Semjaza made a point that I think need to be hit on a little but more, and that is this:The use of the word personal. Sure, it is your personal decision when [i]you[/i] are ready to have sex, but there are usually two people involved, at least in my experience :p. I want to add a personal twist to this "personal" point...Just because you are ready, don't try to tell someone else they are ready too. HC, your post sounds like a guilt trip, although I am pretty sure that's the point. Those are the types of things guys I wouldn't sleep with tried to say to me. I don 't think that it's important to have the same amount of experience sexually before getting married. I think that is quite ridiculous. I'm not sure why, but I do. And to say keeping your virginity is selfish, well, maybe, but wow...I don't know why, but the more i think about that statement the more I am actually kind of offended by it... I used to be completely anti-marriage. I never wanted to be married, I also never thought that Iwould find anyone I'd want to be with for over 6 months, let alone the rest of my life... Then I found him, and now my views of marriage have changed. While we all know I did not wait for marriage, and I do not wish that I had, I now think about being married a lot. It has an appeal to me that I never thought that it would. It's all just personal I guess. Marriage only has the sanctity behind it that the two people put into it.[/color]

[color=green]My emotions are not ruled by my wallet. I love my boyfriend. I have since I met him--we waited almost a year before we had sex with each other. I in no way felt cheapend by that experience. He happens to be the right person for me, and we are going to get married, but probably not for sometime, mostly because of financial reasons. You can keep emotion in check, but you do not really get to choose who you love, at least in my own experience... I can, however, choose when to take on further fianancial tasks. We're just not prepared for that yet, and it has nothing to do with our feelings for each other, just that we don't want our lives togethers to be so full of stress due to those factors that it outshadows our emotional tie. [/color]

[color=green]I don't think it's that freedom of speech is taken too far. I think HC put it really well, You have a right to speak, not to be heard. Remember, freedom of speech extends to you too. If you don't like or agree with what someone is saying, use your right to tell them so. It can lead to good discussion, or it could just lead to steam rolling CD in the streets, as with both Toby Keith and the Dixie Chicks.[/color]

[color=green]Did you even read the post that you quoted? Marriage is not just a one-time cost. Tax grids change, expenses change. If you're not already handling you own insurance you or your new spouse need to do so. Let's see, Jenna's right, asking your parents to financially support you marriage is just selfish. Buying a house, "family" cars. Food for 2, or more, considering. It is absolutely ignorant to think that marriage is a one time cost. It will be years yet before my boyfriend and I are financially stable enough to get married. The meaningfulness of a relationship is only one aspect of marriage, really. It's not just about love and being able to have acceptable sex, there are a lot of extenuating circumstances that come up.[/color]

[color=green]I forgot to say something through-out this whole thing: Just because I chose not to wait, I do not want to quash your views on waiting. It was not the thing I chose to do, though sometimes, in the past I wish it had been. But, this is actually my point, if you do wait, good for you, and it is a respectable decision, it's just not for everyone. Waiting takes a lot of self control, and I commend you for it. [/color]

[color=green]Deep thought, Jenna... Q1:Vices, as defined by the first post, are, IMO, defined through society and therefore are very pliable in their boundaries. However, many vices have their vice-foots in the fact that they are unhealthy in some form or another, much like smoking. Q2: I am a nail biter...I also have a lot of old bad habits that I have thankfully dropped. Q3: I think that ignorance, especially willful ignorance, is altogether the most damaging vice in our society today.Not only do people not get education or educate themselves, they just don't care about it and would rather not know anything. it makes me angry. [/color]

[color=green]Sorry, artimis, I didn't mean to drop the ball on you, really, I didn't think there would be need for any more explanation than that...Personally, I never really understoof it myself. I am also somewhat offended by the "breeding" word, I feel like it lowers me, especially since I have NO plans to [i]ever[/i] have offspring. I am also glad to see that they came to an agreement and I am beating a dead horse... Jenna, may I say I am inpressed with your candidness. Pregnancy is an issue that should be touched on, I agree. I, myself, have had only one small scare. it' was really nothing serious. I know that I could never abort, but I would give it up for adoption in a heartbeat. I agree that most people are very under-educated about it. It is a very real problem in society, not teens having sex so much as uneducated sex, unsafe sex, and I don't just mean condoms.[/color]

[color=green]**Looks at Metatron jealously** You do that just to be mean, don't you?? Well, I am glad you like it, but that just make me more impatient![/color]

[color=green]terra, about that hormone thing, I've heard the same thing. It's actually a shared trait that most females of pack animals have. It strengthens the attatchment to "the Alpha Male" As to whether it's true or not, I don't actuall know, it came up in a debate I was having much like this with some friend, one of who is a bio major, I figure it's not completely inaccurate. scrmngfangrl, um, wow. That's really all I've got. For all you taking about contraceptives and birth control, I'm going to beat Artimis to telling you, the Catholic Church does not condone them. In fact it expressly forbids their use. *scary* Do not execute me as the messenger, I'm just telling you, if the path someone has taken is towards those teachings, them your comments will be falling on deaf ears.[/color]

[color=green]The answer to sweetreyes' question is Lawrence Fishburn (sp) He was the singing cowboy. Have we all been watching a little too much I Love the 80's on VH1?[/color]

[color=green]I have also been down that walk of shame, more times than I would like to admit. That perspective is what gives me my view on this subject. My perspective is made from my own experiences. Mine were, often times, stupid. There's really no other way to put it. They continued to be stupid until I met my current partner. No two people are going to have the same viewpoints here... Even if they have they have the same conclusion, it comes fro different places. That's why i am also glad that this is a civil conversation as well. [/color]

[color=green]Yeah, it's normal. It may not seem so in this sex-driven world with pregnant 10 year olds, but it's normal. My younger brother is the cutest. He just turned 21 and the girls fawn all over him. Then they find out he's in the Seminary. That's right, ladies, BACK OFF! He's going to be a priest! Artimis, I almost fell off my chair laughing when Iread that your brother has girls to tie his shoes for him, I used to do that to this one boy... ah, memories...[/color]

[color=green]I am as well guilty. I used to be one of those non-thinkers, but it is not the way I want to remember my life...I now have a loving, caring boyfriend who I have been with for 4 years now. We were together for almost a year before we moved to any sort of sexual level in our relationship. Adding that degree to a relationship will make or break it, really. This may sound like I am exaggerating, but I don't think so. It changes everything. I am not so militant to say wait until you're married, but I will say to wait until you are with someone you love. Not someone you think you may care about, but someone you love. I am an opinionated person, but I try to avoid judgement, but, in my opinion, It's not ok to be a player, if for no other reason than you will end up as a vending machine of VD. I am not so opposed to premarital sex as I am to promiscuity (sp)[/color]

[color=green]Hey look, a topic... uhm, I think Metrosexuality is fad. I hope so anyway. I really don't like things that perpetuate sterotypes. I also think it is a ridiculous name, the behavior of these men has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. There are always going to be "macho men" and "sensitive men" in either orientaion, really. Frankly I'm glad, it gives a variety to choose from. I don't understand why some hetero men still find homosexual men so threatening, and I never will. I have come to terms with that. Crimson, your description of a woman's period was very detailed, hooray for bio class. You will never be able to tell me how I feel and my emotional state during my period becasue I hardly know myself. Self awareness should be your goal, sir, not determining how others feel.[/color]

[color=green]I agree with Manic...he just beat me to it and probably said it better than I would have. I don't like Pink. I get the feeling from her like, "I want to be a rebel, you know, like everyone else..." She just seems so manufactured. I realize that her complaint is that she was manufactured before, but I guess you can't escape it. I feel like she's just out there to counter act people like Brittany Spears and such, when her music really isn't any better. It's kind of different, and at least she writes it herself, but it's really no better. Yes, boo and hiss me all you like, it's just one opinion.[/color]

[color=green]All, and i mean all of my friends are on the Atkins diet. If you don't know, this diet is the high protein low carb diet. You completely deprive yourself of carbs the first two weeks and then eat as few of them as possible forever. When I say forever, it could be figurative or literal, because as soon as you start to consume carbs again, you put the weight back on. As you can probaly tell, I am against this trendy diet. I think it is not a healthy remedy, at least from the information I have gathered. I cannot seem to convince anyone else of this though. Yes, it is a really fast way to lose weight, but it will make your hair fall out... So, what do you think: Atkins is it a quick fix fad or the answer to prayers?[/color]

[color=green]The theatre in the city that I frequent now has cops around on weekends to apprehend hoppers... A little extreme, yes, but you're shoplifting. I know you are not leaving a store with a new toy or a new shirt, but you are receiving a good or service you did not pay for. I agree the general public is getting ripped off at theatres, they're too expensive, admission and refreshment wise. I wonder what their profit margins are.[/color]

[color=green]I was that girl in high school, music drama, debate. Oh yeah, I was cool...*saracasm* I did choir half way through college too. I love it still. As to tha allocation of unds, true arts don't get enough money, but nothing does right now. Seeing as all threse activities at the Jr. high/high school level are elective, mandatory things come first: books, science supplies, electricity bills... States are crunched right now, and there's no where for money to come from. If I had my way, music of some kind, even if it is an appreciation class would be required. The world is dreary without art.[/color]