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[quote name='Minako'] don't love each other anymore.[/quote] [color=darkviolet]You know what the dumb thing is? He says he still loves me. He even said he wants this to end amicably. Though I can't figure out how he expects that doing this whole thing over the phone I think part of the way I can stop this is just try to have a normal conversation. You see, back when he was still in Iraq and I told him about the lying about the money thing, he wanted a divorce right then and now. But one day/night he called after a meeting he had to go to for dealing with your children when you get back from Iraq. We had a nice normal conversation about normal things. Nothing about our relationship or how I'm going to change. He's actually tried that a few times (well except for this afternoon when he called about the lawyer thing) but then I want to get to the heart of the matter. So I think that if he calls tomorrow I'll ask him about the new System of a Down CD and if he burned my copy of Fuel's Natural Selection CD. THen take it from there. But Morpeus is right, he won't have much of a life to live with child support and the fact that he has to try and have a relationship with our daughter. Good luck with that when you're 1.) Across the state and 2.) working 12 hour days. He's only see her every other weekend. So I still appreciate your advice. And support if this goes down.[/color]
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What Does your sig, avi and username say about you.
ChibiHorsewoman replied to shinji172's topic in General Discussion
[color=darkviolet]Hmm, Rifles at recess screen name- You either like the irony of having guns during play time. Or you were violent when you were in elementary school. Custom Title- You're a very strong individual Avi- you like cats signature-You came back! Jade Ninja Screen name- you like the idea of being a ninja avi- you like irony[/color] -
[color=darkviolet]Hi, I know that really this isn't the place for getting emotional help and everything. I also know that the vast majority of people have never experianced this type of problem, but I figured I'd try anyway. As most of you know I'm married, well if my husband has his way and doesn't remove his head from his butt I won't be for too much longer. He wants to get a divoce because suddenly he wants his life back. He doesn't want to deal with me and except for weekends he doesn't want to deal with our daughter. Now I admit that I'm not an easy person to deal with all the time, I lied once about money but I appologized for that. and I'm a bit of a slob. But I'm changing that. I have a daughter to take care of and I'm trying to find a job and pay the bills. Basically I do everything he wants me to do, but it's not enough because after a 5 year relationship and nearly 3 years of marriage (most of which involved him being in Iraq.) he wants his life back. I still have everything I've had for the past year, but he wants [i]his[/i] life back. Apparently abby and I aren't worth his time any more. I offered to try a six month trial separation to see how we do. I asked him to try and give me another chance. I said we could try concelling and a financial planner. All he told me is he's thought about it since he got back to Texas and the lawyer he spoke to will charge $850 for an uncontested divorce. Our whole relationship is only worth $850. That wouldn't even buy one of our vehicles or a year of diapers. But it's worth the end of our marriage. Oh, it's $1500 or more for a contested divorce. So I'm asking. Is he just being rash? Or am I just too afraid that I won't find someone else and unwilling to let go? I still think these reasons that he wants a divorce are rather pointless and solvable if he removes his head from his butt.[/color]
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Anime favorite and least favorite anime songs
ChibiHorsewoman replied to ChibiHorsewoman's topic in Otaku Central
[color=darkviolet]I'm currently hooked on Cruel Angel's Thesis from Neon Genisis Evangelion. The beat is really nice and it helps me to think. I honestly can't think of much else right now[/color] -
[QUOTE=Retribution][SIZE=1]Labels make things "easier." Labels group, and organize and give definitive boundaries to thinks that have murky borders most of the time. That's why they exist. Yes, there's truth to every stereotype, which is why they exist. Do you think people fabricated stereotypes out of thin air? They're based on facts.[/SIZE][/QUOTE] [color=darkviolet]Yes, so we can all just stick ourselves into little boxes and catergories to decide who's worthy of being talked to and who's not. Of who to pick on and who to worship and suck up to. Lables are about as fun as having your wisdom teeth removed without the help of novacain. And yes I did notice you put quote around easier. I just don't care. No, but I've run into some people I graduated from High school or went to high school with a few years after graduation and :eek: not all of them are like how they were in High school. Sure there are the few stuck up ones who can't let go. I've also run into jocks who aren't dumb and nerds who aren't all that smart. NAd maybe, just maybe some 'goth kids who aren't manicly depressed.[/color]
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Anime Cartoon Network Line-Ups...and anime on television announcements
ChibiHorsewoman replied to Syk3's topic in Otaku Central
[color=darkviolet]I think I can only remember inuyasha and then whatever comes next (behild the power of digital cable remotes) 10:00 and 10:30 (9 &9:30 pm CT)- One Piece 11:00Pm (10PM CT)- New InuYasha episodes (re-airs at 2AM/1AM CT) 11:30PM Champloo 12:AM/11PMCT Paranoia Agent 12:30AM/11:30CT-S CRY ed (no clue what that is 1AM/12AMCt Fooly Cooly (FLCL) my bad! 1:30AM/ 12:30Ct- Trigun is back on 2AM InuYasha is back on and there are some other shows that I'll figure out tomorrow.[/color] -
[color=darkviolet]Okay well I finally watched one of the 'new' InuYasha episodes last night (I'll be able to put up the new line up in that other thread too) I'm really glad that the Shinchin Tai (being translated to the Group of Seven) is finally here. I get to drool over Bankotsu like a good little fan girl (even if I am 23) The only thing I'm worried about is what are they going to do with Jakkotsu since he's a gay character and NA dubbing usually does some wierd things to gay characters. I'm really afraid that they're going to Zoi Jak because he already has the girly voice and the feminine look. Only problem is he's so obviously a guy past his face (ie his chest) I just really hope that since the anime is on so late at night Jakkotsu doesn't get a sex change. Because for all of you who don't know about SailorMoon Zoisite (Zoi boy ect ect) was a gay male character that DiC turned female and then CWi did the same to Fish Eye of the Amazon Trio) That's why I say Zoing someone. Well, there I got here before anyone else and voiced my fears about the sex change. Now I'll just go on my merry way.[/color]
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[color=darkviolet]It's wierd reading about these cliques and remembering High school As I said my friends and I were never in any real cliques because either 1.) We couldn't afford the cool clothes and nice cars like our peers or 2.) we just don't get classified. I think horsey people may have their own small cliques. You have the cross country jumpers, the stadium/ show jumpers, dressage, and western people. But at least most of them realize that you need to know one to master others. So most of teh ones I know aren't that cliquey. And besides, you know how it is with lables, after a while they just peel off and leave the sticky stuff behind.[/color]
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What Does your sig, avi and username say about you.
ChibiHorsewoman replied to shinji172's topic in General Discussion
[QUOTE=Aiyisha][COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial] I love stripes more than fishnets. Red and black stripiness > fishnets. Black and white's good too. ^-^ [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE] [color=darkviolet]I like fishnets, but sometimes they're a bit scratchy. I have pink, purple and red fishnets though. I went nuts when I saw them at Target and had to have a purple pair to go with my Happy Bunny shirt One of my husband's cousins has a pair of turquoise fishnets. I also like the colored ones. I almost bought myself a pair of yellow tights. But honestly socks are my thing. I have a pair of argyle ones from Target that go up to my knees. Oh man now I have to get a job![/color] -
[quote name='kaisha']I watch the english version of Inuyasha, so in America....no, its not over.[/quote] [color=darkviolet]Yes, but as you should [i] already[/i] know anime is not made in America but translated and brought over from Japan (not in that particular order of course) which means that we're seeing episodes that were already aired in Japan and edited for American censor approval here. I don't think that InuYasha will be 'canceled' over here I just think there's a better chance of my cat wiining the lotto than us getting any 'for our eyes only' anime episodes.[/color]
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[quote name='kaisha']I don't know about the manga, but I for one hope she won't rush to the end of Inuyasha in the manga or the anime.[/quote] [color=darkviolet]Never mind the fact that both the anime and the manga are both over in Japan. I'm kind of glad that it's over. Once an anime hits 100 episodes everything starts to go to hell. Sometimes even before 100. Tehy start to get really repetetive. Go out, fight monster get jewel shard. Take a break, fight. InuYasha was a lot like SailorMoon, except that SailorMoon had guys changing into girls thanks to Toei animation and more monsters of the day. InuYasha doesn't always have a monster of the day. But there were four joint episodes that were nearly identicle. I believe it was night in I can't remember the name and the one with the Peach Man. :rolleyes: After a while it's all redundant.[/color]
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[color=darkviolet]It's inevitable that a thread like this will exist again. It's also inevitable that a CHW such as myself shall start a thread like this. So I shall now beging the thread.... Of all the obnoxious buy me buy me commercials on TV now what are the best or funniest and which ones are so annoying you almost wish they'd go out of business?(Except that it's one of the few places you can afford and find clothes that 'fit') Okay, well ,the most annoyiong commercials out there now are of course the Old Navy commercials. Honestly could they get any cheesier? I almost feel sorry for the models that have to be in those commercials, except that they get paid a decent ammount of money so I guess the stupidity is worth it. THe Cingular commercial where the girl is pretending her hand is a phone comes in seond. I just don't get it. Can't the kid just use a pay phone? My favorite commercial is still the one where the guy almost eats the dog food, but I haven't seen it in a while so I may have to choose a new favorite :animesigh . I do like this commercial for covered gutters where the squirells are stealing the ads for the gutter company so th guy can't have covnered gutters like his neighbors. It reminds me of that episode of Daria where Jake was trying to catch a squirell. Strangest. Has anyone seen that Buic commercial where the guy is getting ready to drive off an aircraft carrier? Does anyone besides me realize that there was no '[b]Don't try this at home[/b]' warning? I wonder if they'll get sued if someone tries it? Okay I'll probably think of more later.[/color] ]
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What Does your sig, avi and username say about you.
ChibiHorsewoman replied to shinji172's topic in General Discussion
[color=darkviolet]I'm going to do Aiyaisha just because I can.... Okay custome Title- you collect panty hose? Maybe you went over board when Target had the brightly colored fishnets out during Yule time (I know I did) and you consider yourself a goddess. Avi and signature-you're a romantic at heart? Why do I keep doing this to myself?[/color] -
[color=darkviolet]Or-Gods I must be bored Okay, so I'm looking at my mailbox feeling unloved when I decided that I should start a thread in the.... Okay so what are your favorite and least favorite anime songs and why? Please tell why. It doesn't help people to say: I hate Tuxedo Mirage soooooooo much!!!!!!!! Actually I think it annoys them. And yes you can list dub songs Well one of my absolute hated anime songs is without a doubt The Sailor Moon Theme song (thank you DiC and CWi :mad: ) Let's just face it the song is dumb. And it's a bad choice for the begininng of the first season when Sailor Moon doesn't know about Jupiter, Mars Mercury or Venus. If she doesn't know them, neither should the audience. And it's also not fitting for the third season because what about poor, Neptune, Pluto and Uranus? Not even a brief mention. The original Moonlight Densestu or Moonlight Legend isn't really my favoprite either, but maybe just because the song was the opening theme song for every season except Stars (season 5) But anything is pallatable after the 'sailor moon theme song'. To get off the Sailor Moon song wagon I'm going to add My Will to my least favorite anime songs. I don't know why. I guess the music just wasn't catchy enough fo me. I'll add favorites later. Later![/color]
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[quote name='sakurasuka][CENTER][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=1][FONT=Tahoma]This is reffering to war, but can mean what you take it to mean. It seems to me there are people that would simply risk thier lives to fight for a cause they don't agree with. ?[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR'][/CENTER][/quote] [color=darkviolet]Well, it's either go and fight, claim conciencious objector, or go AWOL when you're in the military. You can't just put in a two week notice and quit because you signed a contract and like it or not you have to go do a job. That said, if there was an actual choice between going to fight and just staying home I'd stay home. Yes, I wouldn't get the combat/Hazardous duty pay nor teh separation pay which is pretty good money when added into regular base pay for an E4, but I'd be safe. I understand that your base question was about going to fight for something you don't believe in, but I had to get my extra 2 cents in. Oh, I have to add this. Some peopel join teh military because it's something they believe in, others to leave home and the rest because there are no job opportunites. Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to afford college.[/color]
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[color=darkviolet] And if so, who do you both admire and dislike? I got to thinking of this question a few minutes ago while trying to think of another thread to start. Is it possible to have both disdain and awe in the same thought of a person? Okay, maybe disdain is too strong a word. But it's still a good one. The reason I'm wondering this is because today President G.W. Bush visited my area for a grand total of 2hrs and 20 mins. I really don't like the guy. He's too far removed from the regular people, he doesn't undwerstand the concept of separating church and state and his idea to reform Social Security blows, but he's still a real person. And some people really [i]really[/i] hate him. If people protested me everytime I went somewhere I'd never leave the house. Yet he gets up every morning and goes out while knowing people are going to yell things at him. So that's why I admire the guy. It doesn't mean I've become a republican or a fan of the Bush administartion I'd never invite him over for dinner, but I don't have as strong of a hatred as I did back in 2000. So, there's my question and answer. Share yours.[/color]
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Abstinence only programs Yay or nay?
ChibiHorsewoman replied to ChibiHorsewoman's topic in General Discussion
[QUOTE=Siren] And it's not that I'm doubting the effectiveness of your idea, because experience with a real live infant is eye-opening for sure. I'm not about to deny that. What I [i]am[/i] arguing, however, is the [i]feasibility[/i] of your idea. I'm making a distinction here, so pay attention. The [i]effectiveness[/i] of your idea is worthwhile, but your idea is [i]only[/i] effective when it's [i]successful[/i], and for such a large-scale as you're suggesting, the likelihood of your idea being a success flies right out the window, quite frankly, which brings me back to my initial point: Your idea is impossible to implement, unless it takes place within the limited confines of the hyperreality of bad talk show TV.[/QUOTE] [color=darkviolet]Okay, I can see where you're going with this. It's like the abstinence programs that are in effect in 1/3 of the schools in the US. They work just fine for the students who are intelligent enough (like us) to just say no. But for the ones who are just plain curious or just plain dumb there need to be different methods. That's where my idea comes in. It's for the plain dumb ones, the curious ones should get an exstensive course in the pros and cons of protection. I do realize that there's more likelyhood of the whole extreme babysitting idea going on in reality tv then in a school. But schools (atleast the one I went to) do have parenting classes. If a school district has a high teenage pregnancy rate then more evasive teachings, perhaps helping out a family with a newborn should be implimented. More than just a baby think it over that wakes up and cries until you stick a key in it and simply teaching abstinence. Honestly, that's all I can think of for right now. In 6 minutes if my daughter's still crying I have to go take care of her and hope she'll take her bottle with the medicine in it. Do you have any other ideas other than solely teaching abstinence and other conventional ideas? Despite our no duh differences I think you're a rather intelligent person. (I hope)[/color] -
[color=darkviolet]I'm not really sure since I'm not in school anymore. I can tell you that when I was in school it was the 'preps' and other cheerful people that ruled the school. But that was back in the 90's when po music was BSB, and 98 degrees and Nsync. However, I was not in that group. I don't even think any of my friends were really in a group except for my friend Amanda who was a 'punky goth' chick when the trend was just starting (circa 1998-1999) She's also a bit artsy and pot head as well. I dopn't think thew kids who like country music in western NYS have a group. I have no idea who it is now. But at my ex-husband's cousin's school I think it's the artsy types. Probably because she attends School of the Arts in our city. It's more the 'punkish' people there. I think it depends on which school you go to because her sister's private catholic school (which of course requires uniforms) And their brother's school group is mainly hi hop as well :animesigh , he goes to a publicc school in the inner city that requires uniforms (go figure). I could tell you what the main group in the Army on Ft Hood is, but I don't know everyone there[/color]
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Abstinence only programs Yay or nay?
ChibiHorsewoman replied to ChibiHorsewoman's topic in General Discussion
[QUOTE=Siren]Straight answer? It's idiotic and unfeasible, and more Maury Povich fodder than an actual, well-developed suggestion. It's an idea, that while attractive, is possible only in the hyperreality of bad talk show TV. That's why.[/QUOTE] [color=darkviolet]Or you just lack immagination. Trust me, you wake up to a screaming baby at 1am you really don't want to have sex for a few days. Do it for a few nights by yourself and you'll want to give up sex all together. I'm the voice of experiance. It does sound like an odd reality TV show I know, but I think it'll work. Especially when the baby pukes all over the main characters.[/color] -
[quote name='DeathBug']And if you do crash and burn, try to make it a colorful explosion that will delight and amuse all your friends.[/quote] [color=darkviolet]And if you crash and burn and make a colorful explosion and your friends remember it.... Maybe they'll help you find a new girl. That's what I do with my friends anyway. :catgirl: [/color]
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Abstinence only programs Yay or nay?
ChibiHorsewoman replied to ChibiHorsewoman's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Pumpkin][FONT=Arial][Size=2][b] Most parents would view this as a bad idea or as Siren has stated "handing them the condom and telling them they can have sex" not trying to pick fights here, I see the point of that also. But I also see where Chibi is coming from, if my parents were open to me about sex, I probably would have had a different view about it. I know plenty of people who have had parents who are involved and I have to admit, it works quite well. They might NOT like it, but wouldn't it be better to know what your kid is up to and know that they get tested and are being protected? Its a lot better then being shunned or told your bad for doing something. It makes it easy to talk to your parents about having sex. I know I will be more open with my daughter (if i have one) about pregnancy etc. It's better to know then not know. Hope that makes some sense...[/SIZE][/FONT'][/b][/quote] [color=darkviolet]Thank you Pumpkin. *builds shrine to pumpkin* I'm not trying to say that it's okay to just go and have sex. Just tell your kids that sex is good. But it's a better idea to wait until they're older, more mature and preferably in a stable relationship. I grew up being told sex is bad and it's not. It's just something that should be used carefuly. Very caefuly. You have to think a lot before you have sex. And hopefully if you have sex before marriage or before engagement you're either 1.) on birth control 2.) using a condom or 3.) doing one and two. I'm going to talk to my daughter about sex quite openly and frankly. And if she decides to have sex even after the talk, I'll give her a condom and tell her to use it in good health. On a closing note, why don't you agree with my baby plan Siren? It promotes abstinence and it's surpervised.[/color] -
Abstinence only programs Yay or nay?
ChibiHorsewoman replied to ChibiHorsewoman's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Evil Jedi']How exactly, is talk about a failure rate scaring people away from using them?[/quote] [color=darkviolet]I've read about it and done some research. Also think about what you just typed up there. Say someone just brought out a new invention or something. But instead of telling you the pros and cons about the product all they talk about are the cons/ Wouldn't you be more hesitant to use the product? It's the same as talking about solely the failure rate of condoms. If you tell them about both pros and cons there's more education.[/color] -
What Does your sig, avi and username say about you.
ChibiHorsewoman replied to shinji172's topic in General Discussion
[color=darkviolet]Hmm.. Nashville Dreamer.... Didn't I get you before? Oh well here I go again. Name- Either you're really interested in becoming a country singer or you're from Nashville and you're a dreamer. Custom title- You're not exactly much of an optomist. Signature: Banner- You believe in your dreams and you encourage others to believe in their dreams too. writing- You well... I don't know.[/color] -
Abstinence only programs Yay or nay?
ChibiHorsewoman replied to ChibiHorsewoman's topic in General Discussion
[QUOTE=Siren] Again, you kicked yourself in the mouth with what you said below: What kind of message is that going to give? "Here, be safe when you have sex," or "Here, have sex."? Distributing condoms is not my idea of how to help teenagers. Is Santa going to start throwing out Trojans instead of candycanes at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade? Do read my posts, Chibi, [i]before[/i] trying to reply to my points. How does this support the idea that Abstinence programs are bull****? It doesn't look like the [i]program itself[/i] failed there; it looks like the [i]teens themselves[/i] failed. Do we blame an entire system for the faults of the individual? [/QUOTE] [color=darkviolet]Deleted part of what I wanted to reply to but who cares? The point isn't that all methods of protection are safe, the point is that there are other methods out there besides abstinence. Birth control is one of those methods. I believe it actually has a 99.9% success rate when used properly. I'd also tell my daughter that when having sex with someone she's not married to to use two or more forms of birth control and get the person tested as well. The problem I have with the abstinence only program is what I've stated time and time again. All they talk about is abstinence and failure rates. And that's why the rate of teen pregnancy (as you''ve seen) has been increasing. I think if they included success rates as well as failure rates when used correctly along with how to try and abstain the program would be much better. THe logic I'm going by is that if you tell a kid not to do something because it's wrong they're still going to do it anyway. You may as well just tell them to go ahead and have sex, but use a condom. Obviously you didn't read it that way. That way maybe They'll think twice before having sex in the first place because when they see the condom they'll think of mom. I don't think I said anything wrong. And yes I do read what you type (every last friggin' word of it let's not have the Movie fiasco again) I was just possibly agreeing with you about the pre-marrital thing.... Including the part about why the psychological part was complete BS. Maybe I should ask if you read everything I type before replying. I think we blame both. Teenagers for being dumb enough not to use a condom properly and consider what they're in for in the first place and the system for only talking about failure rates and scaring kids from using condoms.. I'm sticking with what I typed before. Teenagers who are considering having sex should be made to take care of a real baby. Not one of those stupid baby think it overs (the BTIO at least stays still, you don'ty have to bathe it dress it change it or feed it. ) A real baby. preferably a noisy squirmy teething baby (not mine). They will be supervised by the child's (baby's) parent but will have to take on all the responsibilty. And [i]That's[/i] how the sex part of sex ed should be taught.[/color] -
Abstinence only programs Yay or nay?
ChibiHorsewoman replied to ChibiHorsewoman's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Siren'] I find that logic to be incredibly stretchy. Because Abstinence programs impress that condoms aren't failsafe, that most birth control methods (contraceptive-wise) aren't 100% guaranteed, teen pregnancy is on the rise?[/quote] [color=darkviolet] Yes, they imprerss that condoms aren't fail proof, but that's all teh program talks about. Failure rate. No success rate. Birth control (IE the pill) may not be 100% effective. But when used properly the success rate is around 99% It's a proven fact. Abstinence may be the only 100% effective birth control method, but it's not the [i]only[/i] method availble. HIgh school age kids and anyone thinking about having sex should be made aware of other methods other than abstinence.[/color] [quote name='Siren']Teen pregnancy is on the rise because more and more teens are having unprotected sex, simple as that, and more and more teens are having unprotected sex because of social stigma, simple as that.[/quote] [color=darkviolet] Maybe because they were never taught how to use a condom or made aware of methods of protection other than abstinence. Or maybe it's the 'Everyone is doing it' ploy and the other person isn't smart enough to say no. The united states has the highest teen birth rate of any modernized country because of this type of Sex education. Denmark has the lowest because their schools actually get into telling their students about sex and how to avoid getting pregnant. Do the math. And I can find the information about the Denmark fact.[/color] [QUOTE=Siren]Not to put so fine a point on it, but teens getting pregnant is due to stupidity, naivete, and peer pressure...not Abstinence programs. [color=darkviolet] Could be due to both. Maybe these kids should just be supplied with condoms so if they do decide to have sex there's less of a chance that these teens will become pregnant. Simple as that. Yes maybe handing a teen a condom is like saying: Go ahead have sex. But [quote name='Siren']And to blanket label Abstinence programs as BS is incredibly naive, as well, because...[/quote] [color=darkviolet] Okay too lazy and busy to cut paste and edit what I pasted prior but the part in there about [b]teaches that a mutually faithful monogamous relationship in context of marriage is the expected standard of human sexual activity; teaches that sexual activity outside of the context of marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects; [/b] There are plenty of people out there having sex before marriage who are still mentally healthy. As well as children born out of wedlock who are perfectly sane. It shouldn't be taught that you're going to have issues if you have sex before you're married. It goes right up tehre with saying that sex is bad and sex is only done in order to pro create. Maybe not complete BS, but enough BS for parents to be worried.[/color] [quote name='Siren']I don't see how anyone can label the program as "bs" when those are the goals of the program. [/quote] [color=darkviolet] Again. Teaching kids how to try and say no good. Teaching kids to avoid drugs and underage drinking good. Teaching kids that sex is wrong and if you have it before you get married you'll be messed up 'bad'. Besides there are some programs out there (The silver ring thing) don't have a success rate: [center]"Pledging will help them delay sex for, say, 18 months ? a year and a half," says Bearman. "It's a big deal in the lives of teenagers. Eighteen months is a phenomenally long time. It?s almost two school years." So what's the downside? "The downside is that, when they have sex, pledgers are one-third less likely to use condoms at first sex," says Bearman. "So all of the benefit of the delay in terms of pregnancy-risk and in terms of STD acquisition -- poof -- it just disappears because they?re so much less likely to use a condom at first sex." [/center] This is a direct quote from the creator of the Silver Ring Thing) [URL=http://]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/20/60minutes/main696975.shtml[/url] Personally I think that any teenagers thinking about having sex should be given a real baby (with its parent around to supervise) in various stages. 0-3 3-6 6-9 then 12 months and at 2 years. After that see if they want to have sex. Unfortunately my plan will never go into affect. :animecry: [/color]