The13thMan

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I know what you're thinking. All three of these guys holding up badges seems a bit redundant, but don't worry, the 4th man is [B]not[/B] holding his. In an unrelated article, FBI agent shot seventeen times in the head for mistaken identity. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Phaedrus]Yes, what DK said. The Western mind is a funny thing. . .the funniest thing is how unaware people are of it: unaware of the heritage, unaware of the basic way their minds work. They're so steeped within the tradition that it's all they know. . .and when someone comes along like me, they just sit there and blink and call such a person crazy. [/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]::blink:: You're crazy. Joking aside, this is a fairly offensive claim. You are quite arrogant, my friend. Also, i remember you now. You started the "Philosophy" thread a while back. ::scratch:: whatever happened to that? [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] It all comes down to metacognition (thinking about thinking). Your mind has been programmed by your culture to think a certain way, act a certain way, and be a certain way. The question is if you're willing to reprogram your programming and realize the amazing knowledge you can gain by doing so. [/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Hey buddy, i chose my own programming, thank you very much. And c'mon, don't take us for such fools. We know how to think on our own. I have come to the conclusion that logic is something to be valued, i don't see why you have to blame the brainwashing society on that. [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] The things I'm saying here make no sense to you because you're still very steeped within your tradition. That of Aristotle, Bacon, and all the long string of men whose shoulders you now BLINDLY stand upon, unaware of all the presuppositions of reality, and its nature, they made. [/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic] Not once did i say i didn't understand...i don't think i did anyways. What i was saying was that i disagree and think most of what you say is a load of bull. [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] Even this language presupposes so much about the nature of things. I'd like to call it a "subject-object metaphysics," meaning it proposes a hefty amount of dualisms (cutting the wholesomeness of reality into two diametrically opposed "halves"), the main dualism one of the objective versus the subjective. This language works as follows: first there is a (subject), and this (subject) perceives an [object]. The (subject) then gives the [object] qualities and actions, ie a verb. When in reality, the object the subject perceives has quality and action independent of the observed, relative ones the subject assigns.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]So basically you're saying...things aren't always how they seem? That just because we say that something is doesn't make it so? What is the point of even saying that? [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] This "subjective objectivity," found in science and many, many other areas of the Western tradition, is quite horrendous at times, due to the people who put it in practice. Because that's what this is--as much as we sit here and say we're "objective," we are anything but. Reality really all starts at the mind; at a subjective instance, and from there this reality is inferred. [/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Are you saying that reality is subjective? Perhaps reality as one percieves it is subjective, but reality itself is not. And what is even the point of saying reality as we percieve is subjective? That's an unnecessary claim of ignorance. [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] Science concerns HUMAN understanding, just like religion did, just like mythology did. It's the best belief structure for understanding reality we currently have, but many are so dogmatically steeped within it that it's hard to postulate beyond the domains of "logic" and all other-such things. Because there is something beyond logic.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Ok, buddy, it's about time you start giving us some of this anti-logic you keep talking about. What is there beyond logic that one day everybody will see? What's so horrible about trying to understand what we percieve? What is the point of seeking reality? Why do you hold reality in such high regards? What's wrong with the world as you percieve it? [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] This science you adore so much: it is a great thing. However, you must realize it doesn't contain TRUTH. It contains THEORIES and presuppositions, that are human and therefore subjective. A scientist asks a question searching for a particular answer, and exhausts all resources in order to find this particular answer. This leads to a limited, RELATIVE, perception of any problem--which is what science has. Science concerns RELATIVE understanding, and has many pragmatic uses, which will help lead us beyond this logic and science itself. Perhaps science will still be science, but it will be fundamentally altered eventually, as we go beyond relativity and othersuch illusions, so that greater progress can be made.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]What understanding of science do you have? Are you a philosopher or a chemist? Both perhaps? I'd like to know exactly how credible this information is. Science contains truth in the reality that is percieved by humans. You said a while back that you don't believe in absolutes, but it seems here that you do. You imply that there is an absolute truth that is yet to discovered. A scientist asks a question seeking the answer to that question, not a particular answer. If his experiment yields unexpected results then he will try his best to decipher these results. He is trying to understand the world about him, not manipulate the world to his understanding. I believe you don't give science enough credit... probably due to your arrogance. [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] It takes an ILLOGICAL leap in order to use logic. Logic is not inherent in the universe. . .it's more like organized chaos. It's sectors and areas that are organized and then left to do as they wish, in a type of chaos. It's not even inherent in human nature, and that is why it has only RECENTLY reached some kind of apex. There IS something beyond this logic the Western mind is so steeped in, and it involves accessing structures within the right hemisphere to a greater degree. [/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Seriously, you're going to have to start backing up your claims with some evidence. You can't just make claims then not explain why you believe them. [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=Phaedrus] Call me crazy if you'd like. . .it doesn't matter. The future is already in motion, and if you live long enough you'll come to see I was right, at least in some way. Hopefully you inanimate objects begin careening into animation soon enough.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Haha, the future is already in motion, that made me laugh. How can that which has yet to come be in motion? Only the present is in motion. The future is like potential energy, motionless but with the potential to become kinetic energy. And i am not inanimate! A bit lazy maybe....but not inanimate! XP [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Charles] Don't be vulgar; we're having a wholesome discussion here. I think I'm going to ban you for one day just because of how lame that was.[/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Yeeaaaah....i felt bad after writing that. I know what i'll do! I'll censor it! Bleh to banning... Wholesome? Teehee... [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]Well since chances are pretty good it won't be a Zweigles Hot Dog (They only make them here in Rochester) I'm going to go with Bologna. But it had better be Wunderbar bologna or I'm taking a bite and giving it to my dogs. Would you rather be a guy and have a rumor going around that you shave your legs [center]or[/center] Would you rather be a woman and have a rumor going around that you shave your face? I'm tired and bored and really should be studying.[/color][/font][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I would rather be a guy and have a rumor going around about me shaving my legs. Then when i hear it i'll be like...yep, it's true ::shine::. ^L^ Would you rather live in the internet or live in a painting. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[quote name='Charles']Lesbians aren't into guys.[/quote] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I would pretend to be a girl, and then when they asked what that was in my receptacle i'd retort, "c'mon little one, just see in your mind's eye an immense any of the five terminating members of the hand." My...i should stop there........o_o [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Dodeca][SIZE=1] You may be 'beyond logic', but you don't seem to be beyond arrogance. That last post truly wreaked of it, I'm afraid. [/SIZE][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I'm going to have to agree with him here. I also think most of this argument so far was a 5th dimension of BS. Phaedrus, you remind me of Victor Frankenstein. Victor in his youth read many "science" books written by crackpot scientists. Lots of crazy crap that pretty much everybody discredited, but he believed in them. He believed so much that he eventually created the creature and lost everything. I personally think the majority of your stuff is coming from loonies. ^L^ Also, i think the way you word things is totally unnecessary and are meant more to go ooo and aaa, and not so much to think about the actual meaning behind it. Also...how on earth can you possibly hate logic so much!? That's illogical!

[QUOTE=chaos Alvis]errr get hit by a train :D. I mean its going to hurt twice as more falling off a 60 story building :P. Weee my turn Would you rather Be ur favorite character/celeb/person for a day and die? OR Not be your favorite character/celeb/person for a day and still die? Tough choices ]:[/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I'll have to be me for a day and die. I'm going to want to spend my last day with my loved ones. It'll be meaningless to be someone else and die. Would you rather eat a bologna sandwich or eat a hotdog? [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]This is a great site, and i have to thank you for turning me on to it. The first day i downloaded like 20 songs and haven't been back since...i've been busy. But when i do get some time i'll probably download a lot of music. Seriously, i got some awesome tracks on it and i'll probably check out every song you guys posted as your favorites. I turned my roommate on to it too, he loves it as well. Music is one of the most important elements of a video game experience. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Kurayami Oji][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed]Hmmm....I think i'm gonna go with the second choice here. I mean, what's it matter? It looks like it'll be a bad day all the way around..... Would you rather drink your favorite drink? Or.... Would you rather eat your favorite food?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I just wanna say, shoot man, christmas lights on bare skin? That sounds painful...probably going to have some scorched private parts by the end of that dance. I would rather eat my favorite food. Though i don't know what that is. Probably...something like....super yummy good stuff, or like burrito or something. Would you rather have a flashlight shoved up your anus or have your best friend (of same sex) stick their finger up your........same as above. Honestly, i have no idea where that question came from, i'm a bit ashamed, but i'm going to stick with it. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Yes, Generic NPC, please relive the worst experience of your life for us! We want to get a good laugh out of it! Bahaha, he was so horribly awkward! Eh...sarcasm. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[quote name='DeathKnight][color=crimson']Bloody hell, you aren't?![/color][/quote] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I'll stab you in the gut with a rock! Wait...or maybe i'll pummel you with knives? I'll uh...throw bullets at you. Shoot maybe you [B]are[/B] right! Darn... [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=DeadSeraphim][COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial] But you don't. I don't remember my fifth kiss. I don't remember my 32nd kiss. I only remember my first kiss, and that's how it is for most people. Yes, it's awkward, and yes, it's never fantastic, but it doesn't matter, because people still place sentimentality on it. I repeat - you only get your first kiss [i]once[/i]. If someone has relationship issues with someone, and they're not sure they want to waste that moment on someone they're not even sure about, why encourage them too? It's not "just a kiss", it's one of those defining moments of your life. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to hold it up as some sort of unachievable goal, I'm just saying, in light of the fact she's not even sure about this dude, she shouldn't throw away that moment unless she's totally sure she wants to. You can say "the fifth will be better!" all you want, but hey, who cares? That's just a fifth kiss. It's not a first. People only ever remember their first.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You must think i'm quite unintelligent. And by making that statement you come off just that way. I do know what it [B]is[/B], i'm not arguing that, what i [B]am[/B] arguing is what it should be. You seem to be greatly confused by what i think should be and what i think is. That's really all there is for me to say... [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Gavin][SIZE=1]Damn, that's a nasty set of choices as I loathe both groups. Flick of a coin, I'm going to go with marching band simply because it came up heads, no other reason. [B]Get the worst haircut ever ?[/B] Or [B]Be banned from shaving for three months ?[/B] Don't ask me where either of those came out of, I really don't know.[/SIZE][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I'm going to have to go with 3 months without shaving. Hair is really important to me, more than facial hair. And plus, i'm asian, i don't grow facial hair. ^L^ Or...not much anyways, haha. I'll probably get a small beard thing going on at the end of 3 months and might decide to keep it. Haha. Would you rather eat a kitty or eat a sewer rat. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Phaedrus]Science is an abstraction. Math is an abstraction. Science was called "natural philosophy" at a point for a reason. Math is uber-logic. Logic and reason, while very applicable and powerful tools, should not be over-emphasized and over-used just like anything else. Eventually, mankind will find something beyond reason. I think, perhaps, objects are in constant movement. Everything is much more dynamic than we'd like to think. Yet we believe in some safety-net of a [i]status quo[/i] of things; as if we can freeze ourselves in a cryostasis chamber of the palaces of ice of belief systems. Well, the beast within me, a long-since frozen wooly, wild mammoth, is now loosed from the bondage. Maybe you frozen flakes of falling snow will heed me for a moment in an enticing glow of global warming, shaking and rocking this little ball of spinning possibility that's one day to be dust, and likely us with it. Everything is constantly dying and being born, living and going, atoms are in constant movement, your cells are constantly in movement which compose your skin, planets constantly spinning, hearts thudding, stars twinkling. Standing still is moving along with something else. We think we're static beings, when in fact anyone you see at any moment is just a picture-framed passing of what they were in that moment, as they are transposed into something completely different. You never know anyone, you just meet them, again and again, at varying moments of changed and affluxed moments of movement. Everything is moving towards something. . .whether we want to move along with it or not. The way things currently are, we'll just be dust in the past, layered on top of things more worthy to be the future. So are you going to stand still, grasping that doll, that so-called "inanimate object"? That nostalgiac memory of the past? You going to just stare at age-old supernovaed stars that are now twinkling as echoes of the past? Because soon enough, that's going to be mankind. I'd rather like to propose an "inanimate objection." I object to standing still, and forgetting that mankind's greater purpose is to now evolve itself. You see, nature/ God/ WHATEVER has made us self-aware, and now we can CHOOSE our evolution. It looks like the evolution we choose is one of dependence to those in power--these fools who put on a porcelain face of breaking lies, and dominate and control the direction of our evolution. It all starts with YOU--all of you, each and every one. If you want something willed into existence, it will be; it might not be easy, but once we decode the HARD of making something easy, the easy follows like smooth, flowing fluid water. A human being is 90 percent water for a reason! I was watching a movie called "What the bleep do we know" recently. There was this part concerning water. Some water was brought to a zen master, who meditated upon it. This water's molecular form changed. It was brought to someone who was pissed off. This water's form changed. If our thoughts can do that to water, imagine what our thoughts, actualized into reality, can do to ourselves! A new system of government. . .immortality. . .a great understanding of the unknown. . .anything and everything: it's all possible, and is happening right now, this instant, to an extent. Yet at this instant, someone is getting a bullet fired into their head and there's a large scream of yawning bullets whirring around looking for objects to hit. There's people living within a societal system that is so WASTEFUL, wherein material objects are bought, and people work long hours in order to obtain **** they don't need. This instant is a repeating moment of our greatest faults. The crusades, the holocaust, the slaughtering of Native Americans, slavery--THE LIST GOES ON--stain our history, and show how faulty and stupid and inanimate mankind is in this instant of existence. But what if progress were actualized, so that we were getting maximum improvement towards our evolution? What if we realized we're all fundamentally human beings, aside from these borders of countries and systems of belief (religion, science, mythology, etc.)? WHAT IF? What if hatred came to kindness? What if mankind came together as one great collective, 6 billion + people, all working towards improving our existence upon this earth, and searching greater into the unknown? Are you going to call me such a dreamer? Well, I'm not the only one, and I never will be. But, heck, stand still; go ahead, I'm not stopping you. Go ahead and move with the past. I'm going to move with the future. . .and I hope you'll join me. I'd give you a clean fork if you had a dirty one; I'd give you a hug and I'd try to bolster you into self-actualization. I would die for all of you, so that you would realize the stunning possibilities. Standing still is like trying to still sand. There's forces all around you, and you'll just be buried underneath those grains in the desert of your own desolate creation.[/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Ok, honestly, i got half way and gave up. You were just spewing out bs...though, pretty bs it may be. I actually had to take a break from reading it...i did eventually finish it though. Seriously though...what the heck did you just say? I don't even know where to begin! I understand what you said, but i don't understand why you said it or the relevance the majority of it has to do with anything. It seems to me like you just ranted about the crap people do to each other for about half of it. Then some crap about water...and shoot man. In all honesty, i think you just like to write down pretty words and paint pretty pictures with them... That's too much bs to handle for me, later. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[quote name='DeadSeraphim][size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]Because it's a turning point. It's a 1st time. You only get to have your first kiss once, and it's a memory you'll remember forever, so why not make it special? It isn't as big a moment as your first ****, sure, but on a sentimentality scale it's still right up there. There's a reason people remember their first kiss forever, and there's a reason a lot of people want to make sure they aren't losing that moment to someone they're not even sure they like/love in that moment of time. Don't trivialize it because you've become jaded.[/font][/color'][/size][/quote] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I know what it [B]is[/B]. My point is that what it is is unnecessary. Your first kiss is important, sure, but why is it any more important than the second? The second has a greater potential of being a better kiss, because at least this time you have a slight idea of what's going on, and probably not as nervous either. Sentiment should have no value before an event takes place. You can't or shouldn't place sentiment on that which has not yet happen. The reason being, ya never know what'll mean more to you until you have time to look back. Your first kiss could be horrible. But maybe your 5th kiss could be amazing and all it's cracked out to be. In that case you should remember and place sentiment on the 5th. Which came first is or should be unimportant. Jaded? ...i suppose you know me better than i know myself, eh? I'd appreciate it if you kept those sort of comments to yourself. And also, so you know, i'm far from jaded. I'm very much "unjaded." I'm quite in love with my girlfriend and i want very badly to see her again. Everything's magical and wonderful. ...uhmm, so there! XP [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=DeathKnight] [color=crimson] Also I'm pretty sure 90-100 percent of you are taking Phaedrus opening question a little too scientifically and not abstract enough.[/color][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Well then, why not give us your thoughts on the question he asked? Bleh...abstract. I prefer science...but i'll give it a shot. Is an object ever not in motion? Well...inactivity in itself is indeed an activity. To not do anything can be a greater gesture than doing anything. It says that you do not care enough to act. So...by not moving, you are... ? Yeaaahhh.... maybe i should stick to science and math, eh? ^J^ [/FONT][/COLOR]

[quote name='Sojiro47]Trying to decide if your first kiss is important is like trying to decide if your first time at sex is important. 'Tho it's true that the first kiss is normaly sloppy, it still is planted in one's mind. It's one of those "coming of age" things. I'm sure you remember your first kiss, don't you 13? I know I do. It [i]is[/i'] important, but we do have a habit of holding it too high.[/quote] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]My question is, why is it important? I honestly don't think it should be. Yes, i understand that most people consider it quite important, and i myself even look back at mine fondly. But why should the first kiss be more important then let's say the 35th kiss? The 35th kiss was probably better, seeing as you actually know what you're doing and can make it quite a good one. I just think we shouldn't worry about the first step as much as the entire staircase...if that metaphor makes any sense. Though i did say it wasn't important, what i meant to say was that it shouldn't be important. And it's a little silly to compare sex to a kiss. One's a much bigger deal than the other. In my book, you don't necessarily have to be in love with the person you have your first kiss with, but as for sex... you really really should. I know in culture today it's acceptable to sexually promiscuous, but i totally disagree with that. So...to sum up my feelings for this paragraph in a mathematical expression Sex > Kiss ^L^ [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=indifference][COLOR=DarkRed]That makes more sense than comparing capable to strength. But I am curious as to the part about it not being a case of women are stronger and the rightfully so bit. Why is it rightfully so? What brings you to the conclusion that it's right that generally men are stronger? Putting aside the actual physical aspects, what else makes you believe that? Is it religion or some other factor? Ah, but I didn?t know that. ;) And now that I do your original post makes more sense instead of coming across as a contradiction. Besides I?m not necessarily looking for you to prove your point, just to understand what your original one was. That?s fine, I was getting the impression that you yourself thought being stronger made you more capable. But not anymore since you explained further. That paragraph comes from dealing with idiots who have more muscles than actual brainpower. And the mistaken belief that many of them have that being stronger makes them more capable. As for contradicting yourself, don?t we all at some point? ;) But there?s no need to point anything else out as you?ve clarified what you meant. Well other than my question about the rightfully so part as I'm curious to hear your response. [/COLOR][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Darn, i feel like i'm letting down your curiousity now. Instead of having some interesting reason for saying "rightfully so," it was simply another misunderstanding. Gosh...i have got to stop being so unclear. 'Tis a curse! A wicked wicked curse! Anyways, it's not rightfully so that men are stronger than women, it's rightfully so that men protect the women (as in, women and children first in the sinking boat scenario), because they, typically, are stronger. If women were generally stronger, then i'd expect it to be reverse and i'd say that was rightfully so. I'd say the biggest reason men are stronger than women is culture, but that's totally off subject. So anyways, i hope i've cleared things up for you. If there's anything else then just let me know. =D [/FONT][/COLOR]

[quote name='lostvoice]It's alot more difficult than you think! It's my [I]firs[/I']t kiss. I imagined it to fit my most fond fantasies so straying from those dreams is difficult.[/quote] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You're proving my point. You're making it into a much bigger deal than it has to be. Your first kiss is not a big deal at all and, in all honesty, i don't see why there is such a big deal on it. I mean, it's your first time! You don't know what you're doing! Chance are it won't be that great, it'll just be wet and confusing. What matters is that you're with the person that you want to be with at the time. If you know you want to be with him, then just kiss the guy. ^L^ No biggy. You can worry about kisses later, when you're a pro at 'em. But if you can't give up your hopes for your first kiss, and you don't know whether you want to be with the guy or not, then maybe you should stop making him wait for it. It's not really fair to him. Ah...but you should ask him, maybe he doesn't mind waiting. You did say he was patient, after all. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=indifference][COLOR=DarkRed]Nice contradiction you?ve got going there. Being stronger doesn?t necessarily connect into one being more capable. Maybe at lifting weights but not on the entire playing field called life, which is far more than simple strength. First you go on the tangent that neither one has less potential but you then turn around and nullify that statement by saying man should protect the women and children because they are more capable? Aren?t you forgetting the ?[I]Does that mean one has less potential than the other? Of course not[/I]? remark at that point? Don?t be fooled into thinking that being physically stronger makes you more capable somehow. I?m sure that?s not what you meant, but you are contradicting yourself quite a bit here. Your whole argument would make sense if you were saying people are not equal, forget the plumbing, and then take a closer look to see if they are really more capable than another person. Because in that sense, you could apply this to guys as well since obviously there are going to be guys who are stronger than other guys and the same goes for women. [/COLOR][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I understand how you can think i'm contradicting myself here, but i'm not. You simply misinterpreted what i wrote, but i do not blame you, i blame myself. I often times don't fully explain what i mean, or i leave out something crucial to the understanding of it all. In this case i'll say this, potential and actuallity are two totally different things. Men and women both have the potential to be just as strong as one another, but in actuallity men, on the whole, are stronger than women. Do you now see how that is not a contradiction? If women were usually stronger than the other, then it should be men and children first. But it's not that way, and rightfully so. As for strength not being more capable, i suppose that makes sense it certain situations, but those weren't the ones i was talking about. I was trying to give an example, but (haha) i didn't. I should've gave a specific example. I didn't mean to say that physical strength made you more capable in "life." In most practical terms it does, but there are situations where it doesn't. And of course there are way too many other things that you need to be successful at life, but i won't even try to get into it. The rest of this argument is pointless, as there's no way to prove your point. I don't fully understand what you mean by your second paragraph...i don't think i disagree with it, or ever did. ::shrug:: Anyways, if you would like to bring up more of my contradictions, please do. I'll explain what i meant...or simply admit that i'm a crazy person that constantly contradicts himself... ^L^ Hell, i'll just admit it now. I'm a crazy person that constantly contradicts myself. =D [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Kurayami Oji][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed]Hmmm.....I think i'll go with being the town drunk. I mean, just because I get drunk a lot doesn't mean that i'm an idiot. So I could still be smart, and just drink a lot. :p Would you rather play [B]World of Warcraft[/B]? Or... Would you rather play [B]Vanguard[/B]? [/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Wow... this is a hard one...even though i don't know what vanguard is. I just know Wow is hella addictve, and i've already got enough addictions and not enough time.... but, i also don't know what's good for me, so i'll go with Wow. Hopefully wow isn't as affective of a birth control as it's lead on to be. ^L^ Would you rather go deep sea scuba diving or fly a jetpack? Assume both are totally safe. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1']So wait, what does your first paragraph have to do with the topic at hand if you agree with the crux of Lunox's argument?[/size][/quote] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]In all honesty, nothing at all. ^L^ I was just going off on a tangent. I do that a lot... and i'm trying to stop myself from doing it at this very moment. But at least i did throw in that second paragraph to not be completely off topic. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Charles] Most of my recent posts have been simply in jest, or to defend my point against attack. [/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]My oh my, i've read all of your posts and let me just say, hilarious stuff. I actually laughed out loud, that's a rare occurence from OB! Ahh...really funny stuff. I think from now on i'll pay more attention to your posts simply in the hope of getting a good laugh out of the subject. As for this whole thing...i say just kiss the guy. You're making it into a bigger deal than it is. A kiss isn't that big of a deal. Just two people coming together to show a little affection by sucking face for a second or two. Really though, i say just go for it and see how you like it. If i were you i would simply tell him that you are determined to work up the courage to kiss him by the end of the day. If he were really the witty and patient fellow you claim he is then he'd totally understand that and probably even like you more for your straightforwardness. And he'd probably help you with it too. Go for it. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Lunox][color=dimgray] The US is still a patriarchal society at its core. I could list tons of examples: 1) "Father passing on his daughter" during marriages. 2) If a boat is about to sink, women and children would still probably be the first to get on the safety boats. Or at least it would be the "right" thing to do in today's society. 3) The military is made up mostly of guys. 4) I could go on, but I won't. This whole culture won't end until women actually start thinking/acting like true equals. As in, we can't expect guys to not hit a girl or be pampered. When you're outside in the cold, you can't expect the guy to take his coat off and give it to you. Do I think this? No, I'm still pretty traditional, but it's just my theory. I have no doubt that this will change, albeit slowly, but for now it's the norm. [/color][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]My personal opinion on this matter is that they shouldn't act like true equals because they aren't. To say men and women are equal is to imply that you can judge the two sexes, and you simply can't. Men and women are different, that's all there is to it. Does that mean one has less potential than the other? Of course not. Does it mean one should have less rights than the other? Nope, it's not the case. But it does mean that we should treat each other differently. The man should always protect the women and children first, simply because they are, on the whole, more capable. Now, if it's obvious that a woman is stronger than a man then it should be the other way around. When it comes to asking girls out...haha, if my girlfriend read this she'd get a good laugh. She was the one who asked me out and pushed for the whole relationship, basically because i was in an...odd position? Also very inexperienced with the whole matter. I have no problem with her being aggresive...as a matter of fact i really like it, it's hot. ^L^ And besides, it's 2006, it's not uncommon for a girl to ask a guy out anymore. Later. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Video Game Goddess]Use Otakuboards! DUH!!! [SIZE=1][COLOR=Teal]Would you rather think your crush is lying about not lying and have them hate you? or Have your crush tell everyone that you like them when they promised they wouldn't tell?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Uh...that's sort of a confusing question. But i'd go with the first one. There are more fish in the sea, or something like that. Besides, i prefer smoked salmon. And...rather not have everybody know i have a crush on somebody. Would you rather eat a zebra or a zebra cake? [/FONT][/COLOR]