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The Harem of Celebrity Lust: Version 3 [image heavy]
Mr. Blonde replied to Sangome's topic in General Discussion
Three more I feel worth noting: Elizabeth Taylor. Probably the most beautiful actress of her day. [IMG]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/549/elizabethtaylorrushedtoph9.jpg[/IMG] Eva Green. Somewhat creepy and mysterious. Two things I apparently like concerning women. Great eyes too. [IMG]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4635/cusl01evagreen0711dl4.jpg[/IMG] Marilyn Monroe. The quintessential Hollywood sex symbol. [IMG]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9108/marilynmonroeay6.jpg[/IMG] -
What was the most disgusting thing you've tasted?
Mr. Blonde replied to Lunar's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Vicky'][size=1] I also once licked a tire and an exhaust pipe for a dare which didn't taste too good, so oil and pollution goes on the list. Swallowing hair dye is not nice, either, especially peroxide. You have no idea what it does to your insides.[/size][/QUOTE] Why, Vicky, why? *cring* -
[quote name='TimeChaser'] [B]The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert[/B] (1994) [/QUOTE] Hugo Weaving, yes. Definitely one of the amazingly under-rated actors around today, though he doesn't do that many films to get recognition for. His delivery is very unique, and along with Leo DiCaprio one of the best actors at conveying complex emotions through facial expression. Excellent. Speaking of DiCaprio: Marvin's Room (1996) Directed by: Jerry Zaks What's Eating Gilbert Grape (1993) Directed by Lasse Hallström This Boy's Life (1993) Directed by Michael Caton-Jones.
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What was the most disgusting thing you've tasted?
Mr. Blonde replied to Lunar's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Europa'][COLOR="DarkOrange"] Katakidoushi, may I ask, how the heck did you electricute yourself?![/COLOR][/QUOTE] Many ways, most recently I was trying to print some guitar tablature off of my computer and my printer was going crazy. So I tried to repair it and... well... electricity. That was last week, the most recent event, but by far the most severe. My tongue was numb for three hours. Yikes I know. Oh and tomato juice is horrific as well. -
Keep proportions in mind. The rule of thirds is a great way to keep your drawings looking proportionate. I understand drawing some anime characters will cause you to bend this rule, but it's a good thing to keep in mind when starting out. The rule of thirds: The body is divided into thirds 1/3 from the top of the head to the the natural waist, 1/3 from the waist to the knees, and 1/3 from the knees to the feet. Also try using shapes and lines to give your drawings symmetry. The head, and each section of the form should be just a series of circles that you eventually will build on top of when adding detail to the drawing. Also to keep the alignment correct try drawing a line down the head of your character to determine where the center point of your character's features (eyes, nose, mouth, hair line, etc...) will be. This along with the circles can be erased as you go along. All of these steps will help you along in the process of creating characters that will possess more realism. Creating wonderful art is all about knowing the tricks of trade and using them to your advantage. Good luck.
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What was the most disgusting thing you've tasted?
Mr. Blonde replied to Lunar's topic in General Discussion
I have to say I throughly enjoy cough medicine. I'd have to say it's a tie between Pepto-Bismol and Robitussin for my favorite. Mmhmm, delicious. However the most disgusting supposed to be food item I have ever eaten is what the Vietnamese call "Pho". It's this bowl of grease, brown broth, noodles and what they told me was meat. I think the whole experience was hightened by it being served to me by a toothless 100 year old Vietnamese man. He seemed to really enjoy it though. Also I've electricuted myself a number of times and when you do so your tongue goes numb but before it does you get a tingling metal taste in your mouth. Yeah, thats gross too. -
[FONT="Book Antiqua"]The Jackal backs into the lab, closing the shelter doors behind him, shutting out the dim blue light emanating from the stairwell. Sunlight breaks from the clouds and a comforting warmth falls back over the jungle. Lon steps out of the tall grass but halts just a few strides into the clearing. Had he really seen what he thinks he just saw? Is there really another person alive in this world? It can’t be. Lon’s thoughts races as he tries to think back to a time before he was alone: nothing. All that exists is this moment, the now… the wild. Anxiety swells in his brain. A panicked sweat overtakes him; his mind runs out of control, like a runaway train. His vision begins to fog, his heart pounds out of his chest, his breathing labors, and a great pain grows inside of him. Lon hunches over his agony, crippled through his body and mind. His grip of his Bowie loosens as a tingling numbness runs from his chest and into his limbs. The knife falls from his fingers and hits the ground. ”Come on, old man… not like this… not… now!” Anger, confusion, and fear washes over Lon; he stumbles backwards and looses his footing. Echota whimpers and whines as Lon writhes and spasms in blinding pain. Lon can’t help but think of the “complications” the men in the lab spoke of. Was this why he had been frozen for so long? What was this new condition that was afflicting him… that was killing him? Through the tall grass in all of his agony Lon notices a girl, unclothed exiting from the lab, out of the shelter doors. The girl is confused and frightened. A warming calm overtakes the old hunter and the pain seems to melt away. The girl hurries back into the lab, seemingly terrified of this unfamiliar wild. Was the old man hallucinating? Was the pain and/or the girl just a wide-awake fevered dream, like the ones he had slipped in and out of so many times before in the cryo-pod? Nothing would surprise him at this point. When you’re alone for so long your mind begins to play tricks on you, and that deep freeze seems to have had some lingering effects as well. Lon pushes himself off of his back and sits up against a thick tree stump. Echota is happy his old friend is alright and laps with vigor at Grosvenor’s face and neck. ”It’ll be okay, I’ll live… for now.” Lon pats his canine companion on his side and pushes off of the tree trunk, rising to his feet. Lon picks his knife out of the grass and sticks it back into its sheath. “Now I believe I’ve retained a bit of my sanity, so there’s definitely something going on here. Those people have to be from those ice coffins in there. We’ll have to do something about this.” Echota growls with a piercing gaze towards the lab doors, but Lon quickly pulls on the nap of his neck to silence him. ”No, boy… we don’t know about these… people yet. I think it’s obvious by now something horrific happened that caused this city and the outlying areas to be abandoned. Maybe they have some answers. We’ll have to make a proper introduction, boy.” Lon turns back towards the brush and the thick trees of the jungle, but gives one last glance at the shelter doors. ”In due time… in due time…” The hunter disappears into the wild. [/FONT]
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The Harem of Celebrity Lust: Version 3 [image heavy]
Mr. Blonde replied to Sangome's topic in General Discussion
Regina Spektor, singer/songwriter. [IMG]http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/628/reginamv4.jpg[/IMG] I have a thing for Russian chicks... don't ask. -
Oh so you've seen "Shoot em' Up" and you're going to subject yourself to the agony again? You're a brave man.
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You have some great ones on there. Just to let you know you have "To Kill a Mockingbird" on there twice. And I noticed you have Rambo 4 but no other Rambo films? If you've never seen "First Blood" (the first Rambo) I'd definitely check that out before Rambo 4. And I saw you have Mad Max, would that be the first Mad Max film (The Road Warrior)? You gotta love "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome". Tina Turner's hair is Eighties-rific. You've done a fine job at putting a very eclectic group of films on there. I would only suggest not ending with "Shoot em' Up", I'd go out with something epic if I was you. I don't know how you're getting these films but my local blockbuster hardly has any classics, they suck. Good luck.
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Discuss Star Wars - Chapter I - The Jedi's Bounty
Mr. Blonde replied to Mr. Blonde's topic in Theater
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[quote name='Neko'] ...minus the fact that each of us is a varying degree and type of totally whacko. [/QUOTE] This is definitely going to be interesting to work with. A crazy genuis, two crazy girls and one guy pulling an Anthony Hopkins in the wild. Powder keg. Was that "The Edge" reference too obscure? I think so. Anyway... I'll be posting tomorrow morning, or rather tomorrow afternoon for you Brits.
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[quote name='Lunox'][font=trebuchet ms] I'm really not kidding about [i]Plan 9 From Outer Space[/i]. It's not called "the worst movie ever made" for nothing.[/font][/QUOTE] [quote name='Katakidoushi'] Plan 9 From Outerspace (This movie is so bad that you HAVE to see it) Directed by: Ed Wood[/QUOTE] Indeed. Ed Wood is infamous for being a terrible director, its insane.
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[quote name='Vicky'][size=1] I'm assuming Lon woke up a good few months before everyone else, right?[/size][/QUOTE] That was what I was trying to convey, correct. I'm assuming you got the reference to your character, Vicky. Lon will make himself known at the right time.
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My post is up, and it is also inadvertantly like 400 pages long, oh well. Good stuff so far.
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[FONT="Book Antiqua"][I][B]Cold and black like the night... [/B][/I] “You may not make it through the cryo-process, Mr. Grosvenor” That was the last thing Lon remembered hearing… And then there was the darkness… and the cold. He could feel the ice crystallizing in his veins, his drudging heart beat losing momentum as his organs began to freeze. His tongue swelled, bones cracked, and his eyes became frozen in icy tears. The electrolytes in his brain flickering like flares in the night. Pieces of moments of fevered dreams… that’s all he has been clinging on to for far too long. The pain! The old man hit the floor like a bag of bricks. Lon gasped for a breath, but he just gurgled on the ice that has melted and filled his lungs. He reached out for something, anything. He pounded against his chest, throwing himself back against the wall, dying. Finally he choked up a thick mix of water and blood, but like a child taking their first breath Lon’s lungs rapidly expanded to fill with air and his chest was racked with excruciating pain. His arms and legs thrusted about, kicking the door to his cryo pod closed. His body twitched and quivered; he curled up on the floor, unable to move… minutes, hours passed… He opened his eyes slowly, but everything was still a blur. The floor was slippery and the old man stumbled a few times before rising to his feet. His entire body ached. His throat was scratchy and dry; his muscles so weak he could barely stand. His joints were swollen, and even his bones felt brittle. “I guess this is what they meant. What the holy Hell happened here?” Grosvenor staggered around the room aimlessly, attempting to get his bearings on this new surrounding. He leaned against the wall while he stumbled, his hand crossing over a wall calendar. He rubbed his eyes and strained to read the date. “2149… Jesus Christ, what happened to being under for 40 years!?! God damn government always half-assing everything!” As his eyes cleared up the faint blue electrical glow was enough to guide his way. There were several more of the pods (similar to the one he was incased in) lining the walls of the room. The glass panes in the front of the pods were frosted over but as he stepped closer to one he could just barely make out the face of the young man still frozen inside. “Boy, you look familiar…” Lon moved on, not knowing that this young man would soon be joining him. Lon came across the lockers. Panic hit him and he frantically began feeling around his neck. Relief; on a small leather cord hung a small key. He yanked on the key, the cord snapped and in a moment he located the locker bearing his name, or what was left of it. “There you are.” Grosvenor stared down at the only thing he deemed necessary to bring along with him: a 12” stainless steel bowie knife. “Now all I need is some clothes.” But it was actually quite warm, so Lon put that on the back burner. For that moment the thing that most concerned him most was finding a way out of there. He wandered around for a bit and noticed a singular flight of stairs, but for some reason it didn’t seem safe to him. That old hunter mindset may have been playing tricks on him, but never-the-less he wanted to find another, less conspicuous way out. An old emergency hatch did the job and he began the climb up the rusted out ladder. The metal was rotting and the ladder could barely be considered such anymore. “And you viewed this to be the safe way… old fool.” Lon climbed upwards for one hundred feet or so and reached a manhole cover. With all of his strength he strained and just as he threw the cover off of the hatch the ladder gave out underneath him, caving down into the darkness. Root and swig snapped as he clutched onto the surface, pulling himself up into the world. “I guess I’m not going back down there. Maybe I should have taken the stairs.” The moon hung high in the sky, peering through the thick canapé of the trees tops, bathing the city in a pale evening light. “Dear, God… What have we done…?” Lon looked around in every direction. The city was no longer such; the ruins of a metropolis that died long ago barely peered through the overgrowth of jungle that stood in its place. Lon didn't let this revelation stun him for long. He knew what he must do. “A fire…” The moon light gave Lon just enough visibility to find what he is looking for along the jungle floor: a piece of flint rock. He struck it off of the edge of his bowie knife and a spark jumped up from the rock. Soon Lon had a roaring fire and the next thing crossed his mind: food. But ever more on his mind was the pacing footsteps of a predator just out in the darkness. For now the fire kept the beast at bay, for now. Over the next few days Lon scavenged for food by day, and huddled by the fire at night. Luckily he had found a natural spring close by, and washing the stench of cryogenics off of him made him feel a little more human. However finding food was a different predicament all together. He employed every trick he knew in the book, but for the first week the largest meal Lon was able to find was a few grubs and the scarce leftovers of his mysterious pacing predator. This predator wasn’t finding much food either and it was only a matter of time before either one of them came for each other. Hunger or madness would have the better of one of them. “It must be close to summer. The days are getting longer.” Lon sat by his fire as the sun set in the West. All of his knowledge told him to stay put. The first rule of being lost is stay where you are so that someone can find you. But what if he wasn’t lost? What if there was no one left to find him? He has always been alone, but this was strangely different. The old man made a decision. He was going to make a go for it tomorrow. There was no food here; there was nothing, except for his friend out in the darkness. He was going to gather what little strength he had and venture out into the wild. He pondered this as starvation racked his body. Just then... perhaps from madness, hunger, or forgotten fear of the flame of man, the pacing beast, a lone wolf charged in at the old hunter. Adrenaline pumped through Lon’s veins. They both knew this moment was coming. Lon’s fear turned to focus; this is it! It lasted but a moment, and the struggle was over. Blood ran from a gaping wound on Lon’s arm… and the wolf lay still with Lon’s knife buried deep in its chest. Lon panted and dropped to his knees. The wound was bad, but he’s patched up worse. Just then a soft yelp spiked in the distance. It caught Lon’s attention and he pulled his blade from the wolf’s chest. The old man slowly creeps towards the darkness, ready for anything… But there, in the brush, just outside the glow of the fire was a lonely wolf cub. Lon sighed and lowered his knife. He reached down and the cub attempted the best growl he could muster up. Lon chuckled and picked up the young wolf, whom quickly changed his tone and began lapping at Lon’s face. “I’m sorry there, young one. It seems I’ve left you an orphan. We shall have to remedy that.” Back at the fire Lon prepared his kill, and just as he had done for years before he used every part of the animal. He clothed himself in her hide, carved arrow heads out of the teeth and bone, and of course ate the meat. He couldn’t help but feel certain guilt as he and the wolf cub dined on its mother’s flesh. “Echota; it’s Cherokee for wolf. That’ll be what we’ll call you. It’s not very inventive but I’ve never been good with names. But you're not much of a wolf at all are you. You're a mutt, just like me I suppose.” For the first time Lon began to feel at home. -- It’s now been months since Lon killed the wolf and adopted its cub. With his canine companion Echota, the hunter now has little problem finding a meal and keeping predators at bay. He spends his days covering his territory, searching for any remains of civilization, but still he's not sure what he would do if he found them. The old man spent years out in the wild even before he was frozen. The city now belongs to him. This is [I]his[/I] jungle. But someone else is now here. Lon and Echota kneel silently in the thick brush and watch that same young man Lon saw in the cryo pod before. The kid exits into the wilderness from a pair of shelter doors Lon has been unable to open from the outside. The kid ascended the stairs Lon refused to use so many months ago. Lon pulls out his make-shift bow, and slips an arrow onto the string. He pulls it back tightly and targets the kid in his sight. The young man looks around, but after a few moments steps back through the doors. Lon lowers his bow, but draws his knife. He steps from the brush, Echota close behind him. Who has entered the hunter’s city? Who has trespassed in his jungle…[/FONT]
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You've painted quite a vivid picture, Vicky, well done. I'll be posting some time later today.
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You have some real solid choices there, but I do think you're going to be disappointed by a number of films on that list, however I suppose you need to see the bad to better appreciate the good. My only suggestion might be putting the sequels right next to each other because once you see Godfather 1 you'll want to see 2, but you'll throw up after 3.:sick: Here's some more classic must-sees: Serpico (1973)-My favorite Pacino film Directed by: Sydney Lumet (By now I'm sure you've recognized that I've suggested multiple films by the same directors. There's a reason for that, these are some of the best directors of their day.) Dog Day Afternoon (1975) Directed by: Sydney Lumet Apocalypse Now (1979) Directed by: Francis Ford Coppola On the Waterfront (1954) Directed by: Elia Kazan A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)-Watch this for Brando's performance alone. (Just like Cat On a Hot Tin Roof, another Tennessee Williams adaptation) Directed by: Elia Kazan Bonnie and Clyde (1967) Directed by: Arthur Penn Annie Hall (1977) In my opinion the best love story ever put on film. Directed by: Woody Allen These to me are the type of films that have shaped American cinema. These are must-sees, but I'll get back to you with some Gene Wilder- Richard Pryor films, because Stir Crazy is just hilarious. Check out anything by these directors: John Ford John Huston Sydney Lumet Billy Wilder Martin Scorcese -That reminds me: Gangs of New York (2002)-My favorite Scorcese film. Enjoy.
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[quote name='Rachmaninoff'] You missed her point completely, she didn't say it was fair, she said that's how the law currently works. Saying it's equal rights and using the system to make it fact, doesn't mean you can turn around and toss out the system just because you say so... You have to prove it. And until that is done, the legal process isn't going to come to a halt. .[/QUOTE] Voting on propositions isn't a "legal process", it's a legislative intitiative. Propositions can be offered up to vote on concerning just about anything, so in that aspect the system does allow freedom of decision and the voice of the people to ring out, however I still disagree with allowing a proposition which denies the rights of others. It's just how I feel. [quote name='Rachmaninoff'] I think it's wrong to deny them equal rights based on sexual orientation, you think it's wrong, but others do not agree and I'm not going to dismiss what they think just because I don't agree. I'll use the legal system to push for such laws that discriminate to be repealed.[/QUOTE] I'm not dismissing what they think, however I do not agree. And using the legal system is a great idea, but voting on it is not.
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[quote name='Shinmaru'] Haha, so there are plenty of good movies to put on your plate, buddy. Write about the movies you see every day! :)[/QUOTE] I think Shinmaru just copied and pasted the entire IMDB website in his post, ha. But thats a good idea. You should write a short review everyday after you watch the movie. It would create a lot of discussion among those whom have already seen the film and have an opinion of their own on it. Good call, Shinmaru.
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[quote name='Aaryanna'][COLOR="Sienna"][FONT="Tahoma"]Anyway, as much as I think it was wrong to pass the law, I'm still in favor of letting states (and yes that means the people) have a hand in determining policy. Cutting people out of the equation would have an even greater potential to cause problems. Realistically, what if they passed that without a vote? That would be even more unfair and a misrepresentation of what the people want, something Korey already touched on. What I'm mainly getting at is you can't just arbitrarily turn around and say people shouldn't be allowed to vote on an issue because you say so. [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE] How is it fair to allow people to vote on the civil rights of fellow American citizens? This shouldn't be about "what people want", this is about EQUAL RIGHTS. That's all. This isn't like voting for your favorite color of M&M; this is someone's life. It shouldn't be in the hands of the public. And it's not about people not being allowed to vote on this issue "because you say so", it's about not letting the majority inhibit the rights of the minority. Every civil rights law ever passed has passed without the vote of the people. [quote name='Allamorph'][FONT=Arial] And I understand your frustrations over the issue; but remember that while you're railing about this being an affront to homosexuals, someone else is drafting a court case so it can go through the necessary channels. I'm not saying that I believe the country incapable of change, only that change comes about through patience and perseverance. I just think you all are seeing the end you think is right, and I'm seeing the process that's necessary to get there. [/FONT][/QUOTE] I understand that there are barriers that must be knocked down in order to obtain equality among all of us. However the argument for the progession of equal rights can not be one of "this is going to take years and patience". Civil rights leaders have always demanded equal rights now. Accepting that fact that this is going to take years to accomplish will just make this process take longer. This kind of change takes people getting frustrated, and saying that these rights should be here now. And as for me "railing about this while someone else is drafting a court case". Let's just say I do my part, but I'm not here to brag about my community service record. But as you've said it does take the people to push for such a change. I didn't mean to infer that this wasn't the case. If people didn't stand up to such hatred nothing would be accomplished, but still should this be put to a vote: No.
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That's not too bad, Vicky. It'll be okay: we'll make it super awesome. I could definitely see more people joining once this gets off of the ground.
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[quote name='Korey'][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]Well it's not an every day thing where these kinds of cases are reaching Segment A on the news either, so it's definitely not something that will be passed anytime soon. The civil rights movement had many deaths, many assassinations, and many crueler injustices happening at a much faster rate, thus the strong call for people to take action during that time period. It only took them about 100 years to see that legislation be passed, but I feel it's much stronger an issue. Body count does speak towards the severity of an issue, wouldn't you agree?[/FONT][/QUOTE] I would agree, but it's because of what has come before that we know what can happen in a similiar situation. We need to learn from the past and act on this before a higher pitch of violence is reached. [quote name='Korey'][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"] Yes, but the vetting process is also very cruel and the person can actually farse their way through the whole process and still be put on the bench. When it comes time to make their decision, the Judges also have their own political agenda. No decision was made in the Supreme Court with any sort of bias and the decision of 9 people can't possibly speak for the collective of the nation. [/FONT][/QUOTE] It seems you have a problem with our judicial system more than you disagree with me. But again this all comes down to that fact that I don't believe the "collective voice of the nation" should be given the right to deny other U.S citzens equal rights. The only thing being considered should be equal rights to every U.S citizen. [quote name='Korey'][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]Let me ask again.... Can you provide a specific, recent example? I believe that the will of the masses is what decides someone's fate and to say it is always been a negative thing is rather Locke-ish. The Masses have decided many important things throughout history and not all of them have been negative, I wouldn't even think the majority of them have been bad. But if you can prove me wrong, please do[/FONT][/QUOTE] No civil rights law has ever been passed by a popular vote (aside from city council issues) for the equal rights of a specified group in the affirmative. Can you think of even one? If you can please inform me.
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[quote name='Korey'][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]See, the difference here is that the last few issues that got past that have to deal with civil rights happened to be a lot more violent than gay rights. Am I saying that there isn't violence in association with homosexuality and gay rights. However, there is a large difference between what is happening with Gay Rights as compared to the civil rights movement in the 50s and 60s. You don't see homosexual people being blasted by fire hoses and being mauled by police dogs.[/FONT][/QUOTE] True to a point. While it hasn't been as violent there has been deaths. Therefore I don't think the urgency of passing this law is any less because not as many people have been killed or injured. It's the affirmation of someone's rights that is of importance. We can't judge this issue on the deaths that have resulted from it. [quote name='Korey'][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]I'm going to take a stab at what Allamorph is referring to here and say that if you take it straight to the decision makers first without going through the people, you present a horrible abuse of the system. The judge who hears on this case may be anti-gay rights and if he decides to pass the law to outlaw it, then wouldn't you consider that a tad bit unfair? I believe in the hands of people, that what the people decide as a collective is a better representation of public policy than that of a single group or single person. It's a flaw of our representative democracy, for sure.[/FONT][/QUOTE] That is why the U.S supreme court has nine judges. And the vetting process is quite thorough, which is based upon neutrality in trying a wide array of court cases. [quote name='Korey'][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]Can you provide a specific, recent example? I believe that the will of the masses is what decides someone's fate and to say it is always been a negative thing is rather Locke-ish. The Masses have decided many important things throughout history and not all of them have been negative, I wouldn't even think the majority of them have been bad. But if you can prove me wrong, please do.[/FONT][/QUOTE] Allow me to rephrase that: The masses deciding the equal rights of others in the positive has historically failed. These type of issues have ultimately been decided in the affirmative by the U.S Supreme Court usually with accompanying legislature passed by the house or senate.
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[quote name='TimeChaser'] What I am saying is there comes a point when it has to be constitutionally recognized and no longer up for a popular vote that will never resolve the issue.[/QUOTE] I agree withh TimeChaser 100%. Allamorph, what I believe you have mistaken for our ignorance is simply our frustration at a system that has failed many times before. I'm well aware of my American history, my friend. If anything the American government should (not will, but should) take up this cause because letting it bounce around in lower level state courts for years on end just prolonges the issue, as we've seen with various other civil rights laws that have been eventually passed. And I would hardly consider the present day legalization of homosexual marriage an "abuse of the system". If other's rights were being limited, or stifled, yes, but when you're giving a group the rights that other citizens have, no. We've seen what happens when the masses are given the opportunity to decide their fellow citizen's fate. It fails. My "how would you like it if heterosexual marriage was put to a vote?" comment was simply in response to what seemed to be your opinion that this vote should have taken place. I view the meer suggestion of this vote offensive to the rights of gays in America. Yes, things have been occuring a certain way for hundreds of years in the United States but we've seen the suffrage of far too many people for far too long to let this decision hang in the balance for years without resolution.