James

[color=royalblue]If your memory card isn't working, yet other devices are working in that port, then there is a good chance it's the card. Third party cards are usually rubbish; don't buy 'em. It sounds like the data has been corrupted (or wiped) from the card. One thing you should [i]never[/i] do, is blow on your card...or in the port itself. A lot of people do it, but it's actually harmful to your system. When you blow on the port/card, moisture from your breath attaches itself to the pins inside the unit (or in the case of the card, the moisture attaches itself to the wafer board/metal parts. This is what a technician at Nintendo actually told me once...so yeah...just some handy advice. :) If you need to clean it, use a duster or a dry cloth...that should work more effectively. But yeah...it sounds like you need a new memory card. :)[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Gohan [/i] [B] Playstation and it's joystick came out before the nintendo 64... [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Incorrect. The PlayStation came out before the Nintendo 64, but if you'll remember, it came out with a standard controller (that is, it had no rumble...and no analog sticks). However, several months after the Nintendo 64 launched, Sony realized that its original PSX controller was far inferior to the N64 controller in terms of features (sticks and rumble), and also realized that analog sticks were required for a deeper 3D gaming experience. Thus, Sony then released the "Dual Shock" controller. Originally, this controller was just an option. But after a few months, more games began to use the device and thus, Sony included it within the box of every new PSX sold.[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DBZChikaGhan [/i] [B][COLOR=purple] Why is it that I'm considered stupid by my peers because I use words like "Provacative, Promiscues, Mellow-dramatic, Melancholy, Ascertain, etc." Even [i]if[/i] I can't spell them.. i use them the right way... is it because they are the stupid ones? [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]And even those words aren't all that large. People who tease you...or call you stupid because you use large words are just proving how idiotic they are themselves. Why tease someone for speaking correct English? People only tease others who speak well because they themselves probably don't speak very well. If you use good English...people understand you...you can get your point across...and you don't lose credibility with others. I mean, for example...if I see someone on the boards who posts something like "so wen ru gonna do this?" or "u2 look sooooooooooooooo cute 2gether!"...I instantly think "moron". Perhaps that's a wrong assumption...I mean, some people type like that, but don't talk like that in real life. But I just think it's lazy...typing "u" instead of "you" and "ur" instead of "you are". It looks lazy and it gives the impression of stupidity. That's why, whenever I see some huge speech someone's written (I think Gendo had it in his sig or something) and it's supposed to be very deep and profound...but it's riddled with "u" and "ur"...I can't help laughing. It is just so funny. It's like Mike Tyson giving a lecture to the United Nations... Bottom line: You don't have to be smart. People are who they are. But you should at least try to be clear with other people...so that they understand what you mean. :)[/color]

[color=royalblue]I am glad that Mega Man has remained largely 2D. My favourite games were by far the originals on NES. Or should I say, he very first MM game on NES. I'd like to see a new MM game which is still 2D...but which uses very high resolution hand-drawn artwork...with very silky animation and full-screen particle effects. The potential is definitely there. :)[/color]

[i]As the great golden chocobo glided effortlessly over the blue ocean, Karu could see an object in the distance. They appeared to be travelling at an incredible speed -- within only half an hour, they'd passed both Kingdom of Physar and Solhara City. The object in the distance grew closer with the passing minutes...[/i] Karu: Oh! I can't believe it...I've never seen it with my own eyes...the Great Tree of Ephra...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i] [B] Well actually a lot of the people opposed to these games are kids who [B]a) aren't old enough to buy the adult games[/B] and/or [B]b) own another system and cannot get their parents to fork out the cash for another system and are jealous.[/B] I do not see why owners of the system care what other people think, as long as they're happy with the purchase and enjoy the games. I mean, really, why care about these usually unintelligent opinions? As I mentioned in another thread, I enjoy light hearted games such as Parappa the Rapper. I bet I'll even get Square's Kingdom Hearts for the PS2. That stars Donald Duck and Goofy; how much more childish can you get in concept? It does have a dark twist on it though... You'll never find people calling Sony a childish system because of these games. Why? Because most people have a Playstation 2 already due to it's earlier launch. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]I agree with you completely. People are so obsessed with image. I enjoy everything from Resident Evil and Silent Hill to Super Mario Brothers and Zelda. The GameCube is an ideal mix, in my view. You can play something like Metroid or Resident Evil if you're feeling like something adult...or you can play Super Mario or Luigi's Mansion if you are in the mood to chill out with something genuinely fun. A console with too many "mature" games is actually a bad thing in my opinion...but I think PS2 has a good mix as well. :)[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kuja [/i] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=century gothic][COLOR=crimson]i closed the topic because this should now be taken to PM between you (or IMs) i talked it over with others and quite frankly this is getting boring and no one but u2 seem to be posting about it Now James i know this is going to sound odd but do NOT i repeat NOT open this thread back up or post in it, or edit my post to get your 2 cents in the Mods and Super Mods have decided and it isnt worth it to have this open any longer. there is nothing wrong with the content... just needs to be in PM or IMs from now on k? good thank you your friendly otaku staff[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]I'm too tired to debate the subject. You have absolutely no right to close this thread because you or anyone else feels that "the argument is basically over" or whatever. That isn't grounds for closing a thread. This thread was a legitimate discussion and it was good that various people were able to weigh in with their thoughts and commentary. Sure, it verged on getting argumentative...but for the most part, I believe it was a good exchange of opinion. If we can't exchange opinions frankly, then there's no point keeping the site open...as I've said before. Therefore, I do not want to see any threads closed again on this basis.[/color]

[i]Chole pushed his way past the force field. Karu was left alone infront of the temple. He sat down on a log and waited for the others. He reached into his pocket and pulled out a small dagger, which he began polishing.[/i] Karu: *sigh* I guess they're going to be a while... [i]Karu continued cleaning the small dagger when he heard soft humming noises above him. He looked around but saw nothing.[/i] Karu: Hm...weird...[i] Suddenly, in a flurry of feathers and squawking, Karu felt something powerful grab his shoulders. He was lifted up from the ground, dropping his dagger in the process. Karu squinted and looked up. It was hard to see, due to the fluttering wings just above his head. It looked like a golden chocobo...and it was lifting him up over the jungle...and heading south... Karu clenched his fists and punched at the bird's legs, but it didn't do any good. He looked back at the temple helplessly as the chocobo carried him away. [/i]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jabroni3:16 [/i] [B]I wasn't taking offense to what you said, because you and i are discussing a subject, mainly just how others were quick to come after me for, what seems like, challenging a mod's opinion. Let me ask you thins, what in my posts is a "stupid" argument, that is besides the kiddie remark? Also i don't see how my information isn't as less truthful than yours. I just want to know how some of my opinions (and if you would could you name them so i get an idea of where you are coming from) are Stupid (maybe you didn't say it in that way but thats how it came off), if you're going to say "Misinformed and Useless" than i can say the same thing about some of your opinions.[/QUOTE][/b] [color=royalblue]But you see...you have to draw a distinction here. I'm not saying that Zelda [b]isn't[/b] kiddie. I'm saying that there isn't enough compelling evidence to suggest that it [b]is[/b] kiddie. Therefore, I'm saying that you can't judge it either way -- we simply won't know until the game is released. That's all I'm saying. :)[/color][QUOTE][B] You, or i, didn't read, or write, my message well enough, i was trying to point out that since i obviously can't base MY opinion off whats available at the time then you, or anyone else, can't base YOUR opinion about how game isn't "kiddie". This argument works both ways, so i suggest you not use it again.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]Yes, the argument does work both ways. But it's not the argument I'm using. Read carefully: [b]I am saying that you can't call Zelda kiddie or not kiddie at this point. It's too early. I'm not calling Zelda either of these things, rather, I am saying that I will reserve ALL judgement until the final product is on the shelves.[/b] How can you argue with that? Surely you seem to be saying the same thing now (which isn't what you've been saying all along)[/color][QUOTE][B] Yes and it ain't exactly new either, you said NEW and creative ideas. Therefore, if he was searching for new and creative ideas, he would have skipped Cel-Shading, cause like you said "Cel-Shading in games has only been around since Jet Set Radio" so that would make the game, or actually the graphics style, done before, therefore the style isn't new and creative, now if he started his own new thing, notice how i said new, than yeah i'd have more respect for the game. [/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]Okay, but once again...you make no sense here. You see, if Miyamoto used traditional texturing like you are suggesting (the technique used on EVERY other game), then you would actually have had more reason to complain. If the footage from Space World 2000 had been the actual game, it would have technically been LESS "new" than cel-shading. Bump mapping and specular highlights are much older techniques. :) So this is a moot point. Cel-shading has nothing to do with anything -- in this instance, it comes down to whether or not you like the look of the effect. Obviously you don't; enough said.[/color][QUOTE][B] "If your jaw didn't drop at the forest sequence -- you're blind. lol" Ok thats half true, i am blind in my left eye but somehow i don't think that that scene was Jaw Droping good, i don't know why but i don't think that a shrubbry deserves that type of attention. Ok now you'll say the lighting effects are great, once again i am not amused by them.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]Okay, fine. You don't have to like the graphics. But if you can't appreciate the design and detail in the video...then I'd question what you know about graphics at all. I mean, the animation quality was very smoothe, it was more seamless than I've seen in any other game at this point. As I said, there is no accounting for taste. If you don't like the graphics, that's fine by me.[/color][QUOTE][B] "I guarantee you, when you see this game in your local store, you will want to play it. Even if graphics are important to you -- just wait until you see it on a TV screen." You know what your right, but not for the reasons your thinking, if the GCN market is going to be the same as it is now when this Game is released, then i will be itching for any new game to play.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]It's unlikely that the GCN game market will be any worse off when Zelda releases -- as mentioned, this is a traditional dry peroid in the console game industry. I guarantee that you will enjoy Zelda, however. Regardless of its graphics. :)[/color][QUOTE][B] "Nuh uh. Your statements directly confirmed to me that you'd basically dismissed the game as kiddie. You're not quoting everything you said in that particular quote." Um yes that is the whole quote, unless if one of you Mods went back and changed stuff. I copied and pasted, so if it's wrong it's because of one of you mods.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]*sigh* You only quoted one of your posts. You made several posts, where you effectively dug a deeper hole each time. :) You can't blame me for putting a foot in your mouth lol.[/color][QUOTE][B] "I'm attacking your contention. Please make that distinction. These forums are a place of intelligent discussion. If you can post misinformed tripe at Amazon without being pulled up on it, then I pity Amazon's quality. lol" Once again it wasn't you i was takeing offence to it was the others. Also the people at amazon at much more friendly then those here. At least there opinions are respected, rather than insulted. Also what "Misinformed tripe" have i posted? Surely it's nothing worse than what you have wrote, but we all know who's never wrong here don't we, and what he says is iron clad.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]I have never said that I'm never wrong -- quite the contrary. I'm just as friendly as anyone else...and as I said, I'm not being mean to you at all. I'm merely pointing out that your original contention, which was to dismiss Zelda due to its visual appearance, was stupid. Why can't you just accept that? It's not exactly a big deal.[/color][QUOTE][B] "I'm not saying your words were like that exactly...as I"m using an extreme example. But that's how your post came off when I read it." Well maybe you shouldn't read messages in that state of mind, cause when you decide to go all out on the guy who said it you'll end up looking like a butt in the end.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]I wasn't reading in any state of mind, this is how your comment appeared. Can't you see that? You basically said "I'm not interested in Zelda because it's kiddie". And the simple fact is, as I've stressed time and time again, you simply can't call a game kiddie unless you've played it. I'm not calling it kiddie or non-kiddie...I'm just saying that everyone should reserve judgement until later. If you read my posts properly, you will understand this point. And after reading this post, I hope you can accept what I'm saying.[/color][QUOTE][B] Oh and thank you for telling me my comments are stupid, you can always tell a good mod when they complament you, thanks. Oh and go ahead add you're little opinions after i am done writing, after all thats what i am here for. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]No need for sarcasm. ;) You're hurt because your statements were debunked. That's understandable. But I'm asking you to think objectively about the situation. You just can't go calling a game kiddie (like the millions of fanboys out there) if you [b]haven't[/b] played it. As I said...I'm not taking one side or the other on this issue. But if you're going to throw an opinion out there, make sure you put plenty of logic and fact behind that opinion. Otherwise, the opinion becomes baseless. My opinion on Zelda is that while I don't particularly like the character model, I am unwilling to make a determination on the game as yet, simply because I don't know enough about it. And in this regard, I am no different to you. Neither of us can call the game kiddie or non-kiddie just yet. That's all I'm saying. Therefore, in this context, your original comments [b]were[/b] unfounded and baseless. However, in this post, you seem to have changed your tune a little. So I am assuming that you've realized that it's silly to make such a broad assumption about something without having the full details. By the way...this thread has been a big boost for our otherwise activity-less Zelda forum. Good job to all who participated. lol :):laugh: :excited: [/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcgoudy [/i] [B] [color=indigo]Nintendo didn't really invent video games, but it [i]did[/i] pull the industry out of a VERY large slump, when it came out with the NES... Without Nintendo, The PSX and PS2 probably [i]wouldn't[/i] exist. And not just because Nintendo pulled the gaming industry out of a slump, but because the only reason Sony made the PlayStation was to get back at Nintendo for switching to Philips at the last minute, for their SNES add-on (which was never released). And Btw, when Nintendo was still working on that SNES add-on with Sony, guess what it was called... Yep, that's right, it was called the PlayStation. Nintendo did invent the + Control Pad (with the Game & Watch series, I think), but I'm not so sure about the analog stick. Besides, there have been joysticks on arcade games for a lot longer than the N64 has been around, even if they weren't analog.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Yep, correct. Nintendo [b]are[/b] objectively "better" than Sony in terms of the company's contribution to the video game industry. Shigeru Miyamoto invented the D-Pad. When it was first released, many said that it would fail...and that it was a pointless waste of time. Yet now, everyone from SEGA, to Sony to Microsoft have copied Nintendo's groundbreaking innovation. I wouldn't say that Nintendo "invented" the analog stick, but Nintendo were the first to introduce such technology to a game console. The introduction of the analog stick was a major development -- which saw Sony produce the Dual Shock controller later in the PSX's life in order to catch up. And yes...the PlayStation would not exist without Nintendo's development efforts. PlayStation fans can thank Nintendo for laying the groundwork of the PlayStation's technological base. :)[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcgoudy [/i] [B] [color=indigo] I'd also like to say that, until more is known about the GCN Zelda (probably around E3), I'm [b][i]not[/i][/b] going to talk about it anymore... I'm [i]really[/i] sick of hearing this, over, and over, and over again. And I'm [i]really[/i] pissed off right now, because of all the arguing over this "new look" for the Zelda series; not just in this thread, but just in general. THERE ISN'T ANY POINT TO IT!!! EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPPINION, AND IT'S [I]VERY[/I] RARE THAT ANYONE ELSE CAN CHANGE THAT OPPINION!!! There, I'm done with this subject, probably until E3. I think this thread should be closed.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]The thread will not be closed unless it becomes a flaming war -- which it hasn't. I don't understand why everyone is being so spineless. If you don't want to argue/discuss Zelda's new look, there is no need for you to visit this thread. In addition, I don't see why everyone is so afraid of a frank exchange of opinion. It's getting to the point where as soon as one negative thing is said anywhere, people instantly get offended and want the topic closed/deleted. That's not what I'm trying to encourage here. I'm trying to encourage people to discuss their opinions freely and to argue over whatever points they wish to. It [b]is[/b] possible to argue without getting personal and it's highly possible to discuss a topic and remain on-topic all the time. That is what has been done so far. If you don't wish to discuss Zelda until it is released, that's fine. Don't post here if that's the case. However, based on what you said, jcgoudy, it appears that for the most part, you're agreeing with my stance. And you can see why Jabroni's contention was worth arguing and debunking. If we can't discuss each other's ideas, if we can't debate points and talk about issues openly, then what's the point of having a web forum? If we begin to regulate discussion to that point, then I might as well just close down OtakuBoards.com entirely. Who wants to have a debate/discussion when their thoughts and/or statements are so highly regulated and restricted? As long as people don't swear and don't personally flame others, I have no objection with open debate on these forums. I expect everyone to understand that by now.[/color]

[i]The temple was enormous. It stretched for what looked like more than thirty stories into the sky. However, there appeared to be no front door. The face of the temple was a solid lump of concrete, which had small cracks in it from thousands of years of ageing. There were two large columns standing at the front of the temple, both had strange writing on them. Sephiroth approached the right-hand column and looked at the inscriptions. They were written in the language of the ancients...[/i] Karu: What's it say? Sephiroth: Hm...it says that the temple has no door... Chole: Oh gee...big surprise. :rolleyes: Sephiroth: It also says that the temple can only be opened with raw emotion... Karu: Raw emotion? Sephiroth: Yes. This temple will only allow in those who have had experiences which have left them with emotional scars...only the most hardened person would be able to enter. Chole: You could do it then... Sephiroth: I could...but I don't know if I want to conjour up images of Jasmine again...it's too painful... Chole: Seph...if you do it...we can go in there and find the Pheonix Tail...and we can save Jasmine's life. Sephiroth: Yeah, you're right... Karu: Okay...let's go then. [i]The three walked up the giant stone steps at the front of the temple. Sephiroth kneeled infront of the great wall at the entrance area and closed his eyes. He started to remember that terrible night...the screams...the helpless look on Jasmine's face...and the crimson...everything was crimson...[/i]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jabroni3:16 [/i] [B]Think i care that i'll be "banned"? I am not lower then a moderator, heck i should be able to speak my opinion to whomever i want to. Whether it be Moderator or member. Why is it that i suddenly get dealed all this crap once i have a conflicting argument with a mod? Is it that you have to stick up to him? He seems to be more than capible to watch his own back. Ok me and Justin are haveing a discussion, civil? i dunno, but a discussion at that. I don't need all you other Mods coming into our discussion and giving me crap. Oh so i use kiddie all the time? I have only used that word to describe Zelda, nothing else, i have not said i wouldn't play the game because it looks "Kiddie", i "dismissed" (at the time) it but that doesn't mean i won't give it a go when it comes out[/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Okay well, you should have been more clear. Some advice: be thorough. Otherwise people will misinterpret what you say. As I said, I'm not attacking your viewpoint on the game. However, I am attacking the "kiddie" notion...simply because it's unfounded and misinformed. It's making a large assumption about the game when you yourself haven't even played it. It is unwise at best to judge an entire game before you've played it (and before it's even released). It's not only unwise, but it's uncalled for. I simply think it's foolish to effectively decide that a game is kiddie simply because of a screenshot or video. How can you make such a decision if you don't know about the game's plot, and if you haven't actually played it? Surely you too can admit that you were wrong here and see the error of what you said...or at least, see why I'd take issue with it.[/color][QUOTE][B] "Shigeru Miyamoto himself said that he wasn't happy with the way Zelda was progressing in a design sense. Also, just because Ocarina of Time uses a particular character model, why does this have to somehow dictate that the entire series must remain precisely true to this initial layout? To say that is to suggest that you aren't interested in innovation or new ideas. We should be welcoming creativity rather than trying to stamp on something as soon as it looks a little different." well the last two games of the series were in that Character model, and each seemed to be rather successful, you'd think he'd stay on that path, i support anything new and creative, but Cel Shading ain't new it's been around a while, you of all people should know that.[/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Hmm...where to start. Yes, each game was rather successful. But surprise surprise, Shigeru Miyamoto is interested in utilizing the new hardware to take the series in new directions. As a long time Zelda fan, I am happy that Miyamoto is interested in exploring new ideas. People were so quick to jump down his throat as soon as he changed something, which sickens me. These people are fairweather friends; they want the same old cliched work every time and don't want anything new. If you're for new and innovative ideas, you should encourage new concepts. Cel-Shading hasn't been around for a while, in actual fact. It's a very complex visual technology to use and only the newer consoles have really been powerful enough to achieve the desired results. Cel-Shading in games has only been around since Jet Set Radio -- so therefore, it ain't exactly old.[/color][QUOTE][B] "lol...even though you are continually using the word "kiddie" here. If you're a Nintendo lover, then surely you must understand that people often use that term unfairly and sometimes in an almost derogatory way. If you shudder at seeing the video, well...there is simply no accounting for taste. The visuals are gorgeous...the enemies are superbly detailed. If you don't like the Link character model, then just say so. But even in that situation, I fail to see how a poor character model (or even poor visuals) could make the actual game a bad game...or as you put it, a "kiddie game"." Ok am i missing something, cause i only see kiddie used once, only to say that i don't usually use it to describe something. Poor visuals and Character models can and will ruin a game, the graphics are there to set a mood for the game, and if i am not likeing the cartoony (ok theres a word i use, notice that) backgrounds or characters i am not likeing the game. If graphics weren't important, as some of you say they aren't, then why do the programers even bother making them look good? And yes Kiddie does get used too often to describe the GCN, but notice i only used it once, to describe a game, not the whole system.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]I take issue because of the very fact that you're using the word kiddie to describe the game. I would beg to differ that even the graphics themselves are kiddie. The Link character model could be called "kiddie" with no problem, but the visuals as a whole are lush and detailed. If your jaw didn't drop at the forest sequence -- you're blind. lol But character models can't ruin a game. Nor can graphics. If you are playing a game for these things alone, then you are playing for the wrong reasons. Certainly, a very slow framerate can make the game physically "bad" in the sense that it's unplayable. But a chosen visual design can't make the actual [b]game[/b] bad...only the image. The worlds themselves are very lush and detailed, with full of expression and life. The only thing even I question is the Link model -- but even it is well animated and very fluid on screen. I guarantee you, when you see this game in your local store, you will want to play it. Even if graphics are important to you -- just wait until you see it on a TV screen.[/color][QUOTE][B] "Uhh, no. If you have a different taste to me, I accept that. I am not arguing with your taste (or lack thereof). Rather, I am arguing with the fact that you have quite happily dismissed the entire game simply because of its visual presentation. If you are any kind of video game fan at all, then you realize how foolish and stupid this is. You yourself have said that the game is "kiddie" because of what you've seen of the visuals. But have you played it? No. Therefore, how do you make the determination that the game is kiddie? In actual fact, the story composer is the man who did Majora's Mask, which was perhaps the most "dark" of all the Zelda games in terms of story. Therefore, any logical person would assume that we will see a similar approach to storytelling in this new Zelda." Ha, whats this? You can always tell when a game is kiddie by seeing the approach at animation, what else is there to wait for? The Story? Any plot can be made into a "kiddie" plot, i am only talking about potential plots for this Zelda game not plots that would include rapings and the like, so thats really something you need to wait for to judge a game. Oh so controlls determin the games atmosphere? Well that can be true but not true in deciding whether it's a "Kiddie" game or not. My opinion is not a perminant one, if Nintendo decides to release some more videos of the game at E3 my opinion might change, as well as others, but right now my opinion is based purely on the information available at this time. You haven't played the game yourself so you can't say that it's not "kiddie." Some of this emotion spills into your next quote.[/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]I'm not talking about controls. And no, I haven't played the game myself. And I'm not even saying that the game isn't kiddie. You are missing the point entirely. Read slowly and carefully from now on. I am saying that you [b]can't yet[/b] call the game kiddie. You are basing your entire assumption on screenshots and video. The video/shots shown so far are of a very small and unfinished area. What exactly is kiddie about the environments so far, aside from the Link character model? The dungeon he explores is dark and atmospheric...and the forest is gloomy and full of rain. How is that kiddie? It's not exactly Mickey Mouse. I just don't see how you can draw such a conclusion at such an early stage. It's pointless and ridiculous. And yes, the story can play a role in determining whether or not the game is kiddie...as can the controls. If the game is mentally tough (tough puzzles) and is visually atmospheric and dark (like MM...which it so far looks like it will be), then I wouldn't classify it as "kiddie"...and I'm sure nobody else would either. You just can't assume something about a whole game before you know more about it. I don't know more than you about it, but I'm unwilling to dismiss the entire game as "kiddie" so far because I know that I don't know enough about it to make that judgement.[/color][QUOTE][B] here's my first post- "I don't like the new look, too... well kiddie. How much of you have actually seen the video of the game? ScreenShots aren't everything. This game will be a great Kids game, but if you are 13+ you are kinda looking for something that goes past cartoony antics. Just my two cents." see nothing there about dismissing, just my opinion on the game with information that is available at the time. In my second post i did say i dismissed the game, but only because you said i did and i using words you used. Yes i am basing my opinion of video clips and screen shots, what else is there to base it off of? Tell me. [/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]Nuh uh. Your statements directly confirmed to me that you'd basically dismissed the game as kiddie. You're not quoting everything you said in that particular quote. I agree that there is nothing else to form an opinion on, other than clips and shots. [b]However[/b], based on the information presented so far, it is simply impossible to call the entire game "kiddie", which is what you've done here. What was shown so far (apart from the Link model), was actually very gloomy, dark and stylistic looking. I would accept it if you said "The Link model looks too childish for me"...but you're using the word "kiddie" as a blanket generalization.[/color][QUOTE][B] Let me point this out, you say i am the one acting like a child, when you are the one who calls me stupid right off the bat? This argument is getting old so i am going to end this post here pretty soon. I apoligize for all the swearing i used in my last post and if you notice i cleared it up here, so if i get banned i know it is because the mods here relize my argument. [/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]No, I didn't call you stupid. [b]Read my words carefully.[/b] I said that your contention was stupid. Saying an entire game is kiddie and flippantly dismissing it simply because of a character model [b]is[/b] stupid. You can't deny that.[/color][QUOTE][B] Oh and Zelda looks like a power... oh wait, Zelda is the newest member of the PowerPuff Girls. Now on to ShadowGohan "And why did you add that little "Jon I thought you said these boards didn't have any arguments"? For sympathy? You'll need it...." nope added that little remark to let him know that i think that the Amazon gaming boards a MUCH better than these, if you haddn't noticed, i have spent most of my time in the Anime section there at least they don't treat people like crap, and over at Amazon you aren't attacked because of your opinion, unless if CubeMasterZenith replies to you. [/QUOTE][/B] [color=royalblue]People are treated just fine here. I'm not attacking you at all...don't get so defensive, it's silly. :) I'm attacking your contention. Please make that distinction. These forums are a place of intelligent discussion. If you can post misinformed tripe at Amazon without being pulled up on it, then I pity Amazon's quality. lol[/color][QUOTE][B] Jon i'm glad you have become a mod, but your peers are rather quick to insult and/or become irritated. I am sure there're tons and tons of mistakes i have made on this post but i wrote it over a period of an hour where my mood went from angry to sympathetic. (Edit: Dang, i made alot of mistakes) [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]We aren't quick to insult. And I sure ain't irritated. I'm sorry if my posts come across as being personally attacking...but they aren't. I'm simply saying that your contention about the game is stupid and baseless. That doesn't mean that YOU are stupid. It just means that you have been too dismissive and that I am prepared to pull you up on that. You see...in this forum, if you present an idea, you need to back it up with acceptable and useful information. Look at it from my point of view. Let's say I saw Star Fox (an early screenshot) and it looked terrible. Even though it looks miles better now. Imagine you saw me post something like "[b]I'm[/b] not gonna buy that piece of trash...look how crap the graphics are...I don't want some kiddie piece of junk...I'm 13 dammit, I want gore!" You'd think it was dumb, right? I'm not saying your words were like that exactly...as I"m using an extreme example. But that's how your post came off when I read it. It looked to me as though you were basically shrugging off the game and calling it childish because of a short movie clip that you'd seen. But you see, you just [b]can't[/b] do either of those things without having more information about the game itself. And this is something which I wanted to point out to you. Now, you can either take my words personally and get offended...or you can take my advice, realize that I'm only commenting on your argument and not you personally...and you can continue to engage in intelligent gaming discussion on OtakuBoards. Either way, it's your choice. I'm just pointing out that I hold no grudge against you at all...but I did feel the need to point out the stupidity of your comments...because let's face it, they [i]were[/i] stupid comments to make. Maybe if you think about it some more...you'll realize that too. If you read my post and take it for its true meaning...and don't take it personally, your position can only be strengthened and you can only earn more respect among our members and myself. However, if you storm off or whatever and get huffy about it...well, you'll only look like a fool then. Or at the very least, someone who isn't willing to admit that they were wrong (not for their opinion, but for making a judgement with a lack of info).[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Defcon5 [/i] [B](Prays the frame rate isn't choppy) I heard that Falco wasn't going to be in the game. :bawl: He was my favorite...... [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Falco will indeed be in the game, but I'm not sure what his role will be. And no, the frame rate will not be choppy, it'll be silky smoothe at 60 frames per second. ;)[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Squashed Snail [/i] [B] Well the GBA is 32-bit, and so is the PS1... so that means it [i]could[/i] have the same graphics as the PS1, but it's just that the GBA has a smaller screen... and I think that having a complete 3D environment game, on the GBA, is too much for now... [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Yeah, as has been said...the "bit" has absolutely nothing to do with the console. The Xbox is actually 32-bit, while the GameCube is 64-bit. The only true 128-bit console is the PS2 and Dreamcast. So as you can see, the "bit" means absolutely nothing. The GBA's graphics processor isn't as advanced as the PSOne's and thus, it is incapable of producing 3D graphics. Having said that, limited 3D can be done...but not in the true sense. You're only going to see "fake 3D" in terms of pre-rendered bitmap planes (like on Doom and Mario Kart) which scroll around the screen. But 3D isn't necessary for good graphics. Some 2D games look better than 3D games...Golden Sun, for example, is gorgeous. Far more beautiful than some of the really poor 3D RPGs on PSOne.[/color]

[size=1]Uhh Rico...the three travellers are in the [b]Northern Continent[/b] at the moment...refer to my map on the other pages. As you can see on the map...Solhara City is a LONG way away (several thousand miles southeast).[/size] Sephiroth: We've only just travelled north...aren't we supposed to go south? Chole: We haven't explored this Northern Continent yet. Just look over there...there are more temples in the distance. We might find the Pheonix Tail here somewhere...[i] Chole pointed to a large, white temple in the distance. It was flanked on either side by enormous tropical plants. The three decided to make their way toward it and explore...with the hope of finding the one thing that could save Jasmine...[/i]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jabroni3:16 [/i] [B]What i am a kid now huh. Ok James. So now that i dismiss this game i am a kid, because i think it's kiddie? In the video Link jumps over a ledge and the things that follow him do that cartoony runing in air thing, how in the hell is that not kiddie. [/b][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Sorry, but you can't blame me if the quality of your previous post made you seem like a child. It was your language, not mine. Also, I don't believe that the whole running in the air thing is kiddie at all. You are only proving that you're not old enough to remember A Link to the Past on SNES where in fact, the whole "running in the air" thing in Zelda started. This measure is only a way of looking back on the series and providing a nod to long-time enthusiasts. So to put it bluntly, if you understand why it's there, you have no right to flippantly judge it.[/color][QUOTE][b] I myself do not like to use the word kiddie to desrcibe games, hell ask jcgoudy, we met at the Amazon boards; where i am still very much a regular, he knows that i am a Nintendo lover not to mention Miyamoto. I have seen the video many a time, each time i do i must shudder. [/b][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]lol...even though you are continually using the word "kiddie" here. If you're a Nintendo lover, then surely you must understand that people often use that term unfairly and sometimes in an almost derogatory way. If you shudder at seeing the video, well...there is simply no accounting for taste. The visuals are gorgeous...the enemies are superbly detailed. If you don't like the Link character model, then just say so. But even in that situation, I fail to see how a poor character model (or even poor visuals) could make the actual game a bad game...or as you put it, a "kiddie game".[/color][QUOTE][b] You say "Before Ocarina of Time" Well the games before that one were 2d, Ocarina of timewas the first 3d Zelda, therefore if this was supposed to be the way Link was supposed to appear wouldn't Miyamoto have done it then? [/b] [/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Shigeru Miyamoto himself said that he wasn't happy with the way Zelda was progressing in a design sense. Also, just because Ocarina of Time uses a particular character model, why does this have to somehow dictate that the entire series must remain precisely true to this initial layout? To say that is to suggest that you aren't interested in innovation or new ideas. We should be welcoming creativity rather than trying to stamp on something as soon as it looks a little different.[/color][QUOTE][b] Let me say this, you are demonstrating your stupidity here by judgeing me because my opinion is in check with your opiniuon so you must insult me by calling me a kid therefore saying my opinion is uneducated, and am judgeing off looks alone. [/b] [/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Uhh, no. If you have a different taste to me, I accept that. I am not arguing with your taste (or lack thereof). Rather, I am arguing with the fact that you have quite happily dismissed the entire game simply because of its visual presentation. If you are any kind of video game fan at all, then you realize how foolish and stupid this is. You yourself have said that the game is "kiddie" because of what you've seen of the visuals. But have you played it? No. Therefore, how do you make the determination that the game is kiddie? In actual fact, the story composer is the man who did Majora's Mask, which was perhaps the most "dark" of all the Zelda games in terms of story. Therefore, any logical person would assume that we will see a similar approach to storytelling in this new Zelda.[/color][QUOTE][b] So go ahead, keep building up your ego, make yourself think you are high and mighty, but when it is all said and Done you are the kidish one. Before you post again get your head out of your *** and actually READ my posts, and think about what i am saying, and not how it is against your view on the subject. Jon i thought you said this board doesn't have arguments? [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]lol...not quite, my friend. :) I'm not trying to build up my ego. I'm just sick and tired of people making assumptions about something when they clearly have no idea about the subject in question. I've read your posts...and I've thought about what you're saying. Yes, your view contradicts mine, but as I said, that's not what I'm arguing about. You yourself have actually dismissed Zelda because of its visual style. This is what you did in your first post about the game (I suggest that [b]you[/b] go back and read your own posts). Therefore, I doubt I'm the one being childish here. I think it's pretty childish to dismiss an entire game and to instantly assume that it's a child's game when you yourself haven't even played it. All you're doing is basing your opinion off screenshots and video clips. If you at least presented and informed and educated argument, then perhaps I might be more leniant. But there is no way I'm not going to pick out people who behave so predictably. Additionally, I never said that this forum can have no arguments. We are having a discussion on an issue...that's what forums are all about. By the way, don't swear. It's prohibited on these forums. Not only does it make you look foolish, but it will get you banned faster than you can say "Zelda looks like a powerpuff girl!"[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jabroni3:16 [/i] [B]I don't like the new look, too... well kiddie. How much of you have actually seen the video of the game? ScreenShots aren't everything. This game will be a great Kids game, but if you are 13+ you are kinda looking for something that goes past cartoony antics. Just my two cents. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]*sigh* Another one of those kiddie this, kiddie that people. I would ask you, how much have [b]you[/b] actually seen of the game? No, screenshots aren't everything -- yet you're quite happy to judge the game based on screenshots alone. I've seen the video (I don't know whether you have or not), but the complex cel-shading and detailed lighting effects look incredible. This is one of the most awesome looking games I've yet seen. You are only demonstrating your stupidity here. You're quite happy to dismiss an entire game just because of a certain visual style. The whole kiddie thing annoys me because it's so unfounded. It's based on an ignorant and misinformed view of a game which nobody has yet played. Therefore, I would submit that you shouldn't judge the game until you play it. Of course, regardless of what I say, you'll be quite happy to do that. I also find it funny that the people who complain about "kiddie" games are kids themselves. You rarely see adults complaining about kiddie-image games. Why? Because we are old enough to remember Zelda the way it was -- before Ocarina of Time. Therefore, we understand that the new Zelda's look is highly reminiscent of the original NES versions. Of course, being a young kid who is shallow enough to only play gory/violent software, I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about gaming history. You're not even old enough to buy GTA3 from the stores...yet you're sitting there telling us about your desire not to play games with "cartoony antics"? Don't make me laugh. You're not old enough for anything more anyway. :)[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boris [/i] [B]well, i am not shure, but i think i will buy a gamecube soon, should i , or should i by a x-box???? whats you thought [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]You're only making this thread to cause an argument. I've seen your posts before -- you're an Xbox fanatic.[/color]

Karu: But we stole a spaceship from the city...surely they'd be looking for us? And the main gates are blocked...how do we get in? Chole: Hm...my grandfather lives in a house several miles north of the city. He used to operate the old mine to the east of his house...perhaps we could use the mine to get underneath Solhara City...

[i]The sun rose over the calm, blue ocean. The Temple of the Ancients stood in the middle of the forest, its enormous stone columns reaching up toward the sky above. Sephiroth, Chole and Karu were woken by the sound of talking and shuffling outside their room. They each got up and walked outside, only to find that a large congregation of Temple Elders were moving down the main hallway to the dining room. Sephiroth, Chole and Karu were invited to join them. Saron decided to sit down with them at the end of one of the large, wooden tables. [/i] Sephiroth: So what were you saying yesterday...about "she"..? Saron: I didn't want to talk about it there...it was too quiet. She might have heard me. Chole: Who? Saron: Are you aware of the story of the four Goddesses? Sephiroth: Yes...the four Goddesses who made Terraforma -- Ephra, Solhara, Physar and Falyore... Saron: Correct. Sephiroth: What about them? Saron: There are ancient scriptures which talk of a fifth Goddess... Chole & Karu: Fifth Goddess?! Saron: Yes. These scriptures suggest that there was a fifth Goddess involved in the act of Creation. However, she was greedy...and power hungry. She wanted to create a race of creatures which would dominate all the others. But the four other Goddesses wanted to start things on an equal footing. They became suspicious of her powers, so they locked her inside the Castle of the Four Goddesses. The castle is protected by some of the most powerful beasts imaginable...it is designed to never be penetrated by anyone... Chole: Why didn't they just kill her? Saron: A God/Goddess can't be killed. They had to find another way of containing her powers. Karu: Is she the cause of the changes in the world? Saron: I don't know. Nobody knows. We suspect that she is somehow influencing things from her resting place... [i]The four continued eating their breakfast. It looked as though their journey had only just begun...[/i]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by velvet paws [/i] [B]Just another word on the matter... One of my ex girlfriends recently had an abortion...she's 2 weeks younger than me, she'll be 16 in May...it was an 'oops' with a guy she had only been dating 2 weeks (although they had been close friends for 4 months)....both parties agreed on the idea.....it's been done...she'll have a few mental issues about it but she can carry on with her life and finish school in 2 months and break up with her bf (he's been treating her like sh!t lately) and just everything can be normal again...she can live her life. If she had decided to keep the baby her whole future would be compensated and she would feel that she had to stay with this guy even though she deserves better. I still say it's a good thing! [original post on page 1 of this topic] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]I understand completely. In circumstances like this, the introduction of a baby into the girl's life could quite easily have caused major problems for her. I think the fact is, whether people like it or not (and of course, I don't always support it in every situation), abortion is something that [b]must[/b] remain legal. It must remain legal because sometimes it's necessary and also, as I said before, if we start telling women what they can and can't do with their own bodies, we are approaching a very slipperly slope when it comes to Government controls. Therefore, there are many reasons which aren't always directly related to birth itself which mean that abortion has to remain legal. Certainly, you could argue that it's a "necessary evil" in society -- and women who do not believe in it do not have to be involved. To some extent, the same goes for men. If you don't agree with abortion, then you have the responsibility not to have casual sex or at least to use as much protection as possible. But for reasons stated above, it's unfair (and potentially problematic) to stop others from using abortion if they need to.[/color]

[color=royalblue]My cousin is homeschooled. And the core problem is simply that she doesn't have all the benefits of being in a true school environment. 1) She isn't mixing with other pupils on a daily basis. Thus, she doesn't learn important social skills and group activity behavior. 2) She doesn't have access to scientific/laboratory equipment, no easy access to a wide array of school text books, or general access to a wide variety of devices including overhead projectors, telescopes and other important study tools. 3) When in high school, you generally have one teacher for each subject. Therefore, your teacher is able to focus on that particular subject. Some of the mathetmatics and physics taught in the final year of VCE (Victorian Certificate of Education) are quite advanced. Thus, I fail to see how her own mother with no qualification would be able to not only teach all of these subjects, but how she herself would be sufficiently knowledgable in all areas. 4) Being homeschooled means that my cousin doesn't face state-accredited exams. These exams are incredibly important in both determining a student's progress, while at the same time providing a level of measure for the student's performance which is used to rate the student's overall achievements at the end of school. These exams are particularly important when the student tries to enter a University or TAFE of some kind. 5) There is no cross-checking. In Australia (under the VCE system), a teacher's marks are never final. They are reviewed several times and in some cases, they are graded up or graded down based upon the performance of the student in state-based examinations and General Achievement Tests. Therefore, homeschooling is far less accurate. There are a billion other points to bring up -- I thought these were the most fundamental. Obviously, you can't stop homeschooling. But Governments around the world should make primary education compulsory (in Australia, it is compulsory to go to school until the age of 15 -- though there may be some specific loopholes when it comes to homeschooling). Homeschooling can have benefits, but on the whole, it sets the student at a significant disadvantage when compared to other students. Perhaps this is different in America, as I always hear of the American system being so poor. In Australia, the public education system is one of the most highly-regarded in the world. So I can only speak for the situation here I guess. But generally speaking, any student who is homeschooled in this country would face a disadvantage, highlighted by my points above. [/color]

[color=royalblue]I won't go into the area of why home schooling simply doesn't work (if the parent isn't a qualified teacher). However I will say that private schools need to have some basic guidelines set in terms of what [b]must[/b] be taught (eg: English, Mathematics, Science). Beyond that, it really depends on what the school is all about, as to whether it teaches trades...or religion...or whatever.[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i] [B] That clears a lot of things up; unless of course he indeed [I]was[/I] talking about third party software as well. As for the PC comment; it's completely correct that the Xbox is very similar to a PC in the hardware sense. I just interpreted the comment to mean that the Xbox is the home of countless PC ports. In that respect, there are more PS2 ports than anything. But Xcrap? :laugh: Pfffft.......yeah...that sounds [I]just a little[/I] negative. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Ah yes, I think we're mostly in agreement. :) I also agree that the Xbox gets more PS2 ports than anything else -- though it is still the home of PC ports in the game console world. Especially as there aren't a huge amount of PC ports going to other consoles at the moment (though a seemingly larger amount month by month on PS2). As for the Xcrap remark lol...everyone is entitled to their opinion. :) And let's face it...the Xbox does leave a lot to be desired. For those of us (you included) who have no doubt seen the gaming industry flourish since its infancy...we can pick out a pretender when we see one. In this context, the Xbox is hardly a "true gaming machine". But once again, that doesn't really matter to the mass gaming populace...so it's really a non-issue for most people.[/color]