Fights...

[The One]

[color=darkred]Well, I remember the last thread labelled 'Fighting' or something vaguely similar, and guess what, Trans gave the same response then as he has now. It is obvious you take a dim view on violence of any sort however you don't have to portray fighters as stupid. I will only fight if I have to, even then I don't enjoy it, Elite will tell you, but I am sort of proud of the fact that I can pull off a variety of moves that will incapacitate most people. What's more, I am more than smart enough to think round any confrontation, however violence is sometimes the only way out, and if you need an example I'll give you one:

Last Winter term I was making my way back from school. I had just departed from my subway station and was heading up towards home when out of the shadows this dude about my age, a little older, grabs me by the jacket with a knife in one hand. Now being mugged in England is much different than being mugged in the US, there is much less chance of them having a gun let alone the guts to use a knife. I brought my arms inside his and threw them outwards, forcing him to bend his elbows and bring his arms back to shoulder level. I then proceeded to grab his nose and twist it, this broke his nose and he fell to the floor in agony. I had just rearranged his face, literally. Afterwards I walked on as if nothing had happened.

Now, in that situation there is know way I could have just 'walked away' or avoided confrontation in anyway unless by giving the assailant your wallet, cell phone etc. But I wasn't about to lose those because there was a chance that he might have the guts to stab me. Fighting does not make you stupid. Sometimes people are forced to use violence.

As far as a Fight Club goes, well, I won't go in to that. I wouldn't want to get f***ed up for fun.

Also, Trans, I seem to remember you closed the thread for you were opposed to it, because of your own ideals. Granted he couldn't spell for his life and he simply refused to use punctuation but you could have let other people comment on his stupidity. But that is all in the past and I do not want to bring up old rivalry etc etc (it may result in a fight :p, lol), I surely want to get along with you, but it does seem that you did kinda punch him out of nowhere, all he did was push you, and if your friend can handle himself, you should have let your testosterone dilute before making any decisions. And just to point out, you did lose, you let yourself be taken in the moment/s. One more thing, just out of interest, how old are you?[/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i]
[B]Err...well I'm talking to you ain't I? :D[/b][/quote]

Not very funny...



[quote][b]
...unlike on Boards where you can be anyone you want...;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Even the dumbest person can understand there's a difference between real life and the internet life. I know people personally in school, I don't know many people personally online. The few I do know personally don't hate me. In fact they like me for as far as I can tell. People like you and the bajillion others that I come acorss that don't KNOW me and that i don't know are the ones who seem to have some weird personal vandeta against me. You think I go to sleep at night wondering if I upset people I don't know. Ofcourse not. If you take the time to get to know me, I'll take the time to get to know you. Then and only then do you get a glimpse of a true person. Till that time, all you see is a screen name and some letters formed into a sentence.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The One [/i]
[B][color=darkred]Also, Trans, I seem to remember you closed the thread for you were opposed to it, because of your own ideals. Granted he couldn't spell for his life and he simply refused to use punctuation but you could have let other people comment on his stupidity. But that is all in the past and I do not want to bring up old rivalry etc etc (it may result in a fight :p, lol), I surely want to get along with you, but it does seem that you did kinda punch him out of nowhere, all he did was push you, and if your friend can handle himself, you should have let your testosterone dilute before making any decisions. And just to point out, you did lose, you let yourself be taken in the moment/s. One more thing, just out of interest, how old are you?[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

I am afraid I don't know of what specific thread you are refering to. You'll have to refresh my memory. It doesn't hold alot of things that I don't deem very important. Although, regardless of what the topic was or might have been, it seems as if the poor quality posts had broken the rules to begin with and that itself is grounds for thread closing, esspecially if it envokes argument within me or others, or if it doesn't serve any purpose to an intelligent dicussion, which to your description, it didn't seem to do. And yes, I won't lie and say I don't lose myself sometimes. I'm a sufferer of chronic depression and I have anger problems sometimes when things really piss me off or continue to go wrong. (You can ask my family and friends, they'll tell you too) I tend to try to stay calm for the most part (obviously one example cannot stand for the whole; this isn't a synechtoche, probably spelled that wrong), but hey, no one's perfect. I'm 19 by the way.

[Mitch]

[color=red] To get physical is to take the wrong path. To leave with your sense of dignity and leave matters to their own undoing is to take the correct path.

Bluntly: Fighting is pure ignorance.[/color]

[Justin]

TN, I hate it that you've been thrown into the 'hot seat' here for your opinion, but I'd like to make one comment to you, just so you can realize something: About your comment of self defense(using your opponents momentum, that thing); Many people don't know [i]how[/i] to do that. That's something that doesn't come naturally because it goes against natural human instincts. People have learn how to control their instincts before they can learn to use defensive techniques.

As far as this topic goes: Lay off TN, first of all. I don't completely agree with his opinion either, but that doesn't matter. It is his opinion and you should respect it, whether you agree with it or not.

Secondly, whoever originated this topic(I'm too lazy to go back and look) you didn't really do the right thing. I understand that you felt the need to help your friend, but I'm sure your friend did something to provoke the fight also. A new kid isn't likely to pick a fight. What you did seems more like picking on the new guy to me.

For the second encounter; I guess that's how you interpreted his kick. If you took it to mean he was trying to hurt you in some way, I can see the reason for your reaction. But if you know that he was possibly just messing around, I can't see any reason at all.

-Justin

[Rancid]

[COLOR=darkblue]Hmm, I almost got in a fight 2 weeks ago when I trhough some kid's hacky sack because it hit me. He wanted to fight me after school but I told him it wouldn't solve the problem. My friend called me a ***** and made fun of me for it for 3 days. Well, 1 week after i almost got in a fight, my friend that was making fun of me got in one with another guy, I asked him why doesn't fight him and he told me he was scared of him.

At that point I wanted to punch my friend in the face.

Anyways, I don't feel that fighting is the answer to anything. So what if you hosptilize the person you're fighting, does it make you feel like a big man?[/COLOR]

[Mnemolth]

Respect cuts both ways.

I'm not going to explain myself letter by letter here. I'm just gonna make a few comments and then you can join the dots.

First post:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]
No offense, although I'm sure you might be offended anyway, but nothing shows more stupidity than fighting, whether you were the perpatrater or not.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Not starting off on a good footing here. Its like saying with all due respect when you actually mean something else....but hey...let's give him the benefit of any doubt...


Second post:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]
The intelligent person wouldn't put themselves in that position to begin with. I've never been in a fight, nor have I been put in a position like that. I know when to walk away, I know when to shut up, and I know that I don't have to use physical violence to proove any point to anybody.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Inference? I'm smart you're stupid. Well actually not so much inferred as practically explicitly stated...strike one....


Third post:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]
Actually I have there sparky... As far as fight club is concerned, hey thats your own entertainment. If you wanna get your a$s kicked because you find it amusing, please go ahead. I bet you won't find it much amusing when you end up in the hospital with a broken back or a crushed skull. But whatever, your life

Fighting is stupid. There's no point in it. It just says you're too f-ing stupid to try to dispute your petty difference through debate and talking (or even simply ignoring someone) and that you have to use your brawns over brains. And Self defense for those of you who think thats fighting, it's not. Self defense is DEFENDING. You block attacks, reverse attacks. You use the momentum and movements of the attacker in a way to get an advantage over him/her. If you think self defense is punching the guy before he hits you, you are sadly mistaken. You think if I went around hitting all you people in the face because I disagree with you, that it would be ok because fighting is ok. Right...
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Now the meaness creeps in to add to the arrogance...strike two

Post five:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]
Ever made a dumb person think? It really takes alot of time.

Besides that point, I don't put myself in positions like that. I've never gotten in a fight because I've never had any enemies. People don't have a reason to hate me or dislike me.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Well the first line is just venom.....strike three...

Sorry to dissect you like that TN. I know there are probably worse examples to highlight. Nonetheless, you've drawn me in, so here I am. :D

Look, I'm not saying TN is Wrist Cutter. But on occasion he as a tendency to cross the line. When some poster here does that, and the Board is not jumping down his throat, I sometimes feel obliged to just give him a light tap on the shoulder.

And my post was just that. A little 'just chill' message. No venom, no bite, no anger, no grand standing.

As I said, I'm not going to fully explain myself. Some of you will be able to read between the lines and understand. Others won't. At this moment I have neither the time nor the inclination to type out one of my infamously long replies. :p

Cheers! :D

[Genkai]

blah blah blah...

TN is in a fight about not fighting..well, its not physicalbut.....

its kinda unfair if you dont warn someone if you know you can kick their ***...anyone agreee? well, you dont have to WARN them, but they should know.. anyone else think so?>

[Semjaza]

All this yelling is taking away my horny.



This is one of the most bitterly ironic threads here yet.

I know people that will beat up on others until they physically stand up for themselves. No amount of talking, walking away, dodging, telling elders or blocking will change their minds.

It's extemely hard to get all intelligent with someone when they are a moron who isn't intelligent himself. One that's hell bent on making your life a living hell because you won't do anything about it. I still don't see why intelligence is always such a factor.

I've seen a kid whack another kid in the face with a padlock. A kid he didn't even know. Now after that kid picked himself off the floor, do you honestly think that him trying to talk to this kid would do anything? Some people are just violent assholes, there is little way to change them. Just like there is no way to change TN's mind on this subject lol.

I agree with TN to an extent, but I just don't think that anyone that fights back is an idiot.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i]
[B]Look, I'm not saying TN is Wrist Cutter. But on occasion he as a tendency to cross the line. When some poster here does that, and the Board is not jumping down his throat, I sometimes feel obliged to just give him a light tap on the shoulder.

And my post was just that. A little 'just chill' message. No venom, no bite, no anger, no grand standing.

As I said, I'm not going to fully explain myself. Some of you will be able to read between the lines and understand. Others won't. At this moment I have neither the time nor the inclination to type out one of my infamously long replies. :p

Cheers! :D [/B][/QUOTE]

I always find what Wrist Cutter says very funny. I see nothing wrong with alot of what he does. I've known him a long time, and I find his style of humor very good. Not only is it funny, it teaches you. Sure he may take it too far sometimes, but so do others (Like you in this case for example)

Tell me why you have the obligation to tap someone on the shoulder? Is it your tendency to step in and put your thoughts across? Whats makes you any better than me or him? We both step in and throw our opinions out when we know we'll be disputed like this. You're no better, you just do the same thing in another way.

You're extremely arrogant and immature.

I'm not fighting here, I'm debating. Which is a totally different thing which I like to do.

[Guest Matt]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]I always find what Wrist Cutter says very funny. I see nothing wrong with alot of what he does. I've known him a long time, and I find his style of humor very good. Not only is it funny, it teaches you. Sure he may take it too far sometimes, but so do others (Like you in this case for example)

Tell me why you have the obligation to tap someone on the shoulder? Is it your tendency to step in and put your thoughts across? Whats makes you any better than me or him? We both step in and throw our opinions out when we know we'll be disputed like this. You're no better, you just do the same thing in another way.

You're extremely arrogant and immature.

I'm not fighting here, I'm debating. Which is a totally different thing which I like to do. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red][b]Mnemolth, you've been owned.


I think fighting is to be only used in extreme circumstances. Most situations can be resolved without it. But once that testosterone starts to flow, it's really hard to stop. We just had to girls fight in our school the other day. It's really sad to see that girls are stooping down to the level of dumb testosterone pumped guys.[/b][/color]

[Mnemolth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]I always find what Wrist Cutter says very funny. I see nothing wrong with alot of what he does. I've known him a long time, and I find his style of humor very good. Not only is it funny, it teaches you. Sure he may take it too far sometimes, but so do others (Like you in this case for example)

Tell me why you have the obligation to tap someone on the shoulder? Is it your tendency to step in and put your thoughts across? Whats makes you any better than me or him? We both step in and throw our opinions out when we know we'll be disputed like this. You're no better, you just do the same thing in another way.

You're extremely arrogant and immature.

I'm not fighting here, I'm debating. Which is a totally different thing which I like to do. [/B][/QUOTE]

You don't 'throw your opinions out', you [b]push[/b] them around. And you don't do it just because they are your opinions [b]despite[/b] them not being popular, you do it often [b]because[/b] you know they [b]will[/b] be disputed. The smugness is written all over your posts.

And yes, of course you debate, but there are all kinds of levels of debate, and [b]sometimes[/b] the level you're at is not a constructive one. You deride and demean with your comments. You do so as if you have some desparate need to show people how intelligent you are, and the only way you can demonstrate your intelligence is by cutting down other people. Its not 'witty' or 'cool'. Its just nasty. Plain and simple. And the sad thing is no one here is going to say anything. Some because you are a mod. Others because they fear they don't have the posting ability to take you down. And those who are not afraid of your mod status or your posting ability have been around too long to be objective.

So I step in. And I may be arrogant and immature, but certainly no more so than you, and probably a lot less. If you look at my posts and if you read them, and you understand them, then you may have some very vague idea of who I am and what I've done with my life, in which case you would not question my capacity to step in on a forum like this and give people a light tap on their shoulders. If you haven't followed my posts, or understood them, then this will certainly come across as one of the most self-righteous and holier-than-thou posts that you have ever seen. And that's fair enough.

Take the hint. You've made an a** of yourself, swallow your pride, learn from the experience and walk away. Don't just march on regardless. Look at the content of the post you made when you closed the 'too smart' thread. Think.

In any case, you may want to speak to Wrist Cutter. He may be able to tell you something about me, or not. *shrugs* Perhaps its best that you don't respond, or at least not in public. Either way, this is the last I'm going to say about this matter in this thread. This 'fight' has gone on long enough. I also want to give you the option of having the last word on the matter.

Matt: I've been owned? Hmm...it would seem so. :D

[Guest cloricus]

Well I only read the first page and from what I read I agree with Gokents.........................................................
AHEM yes ME agreeing with Gokents... *RUNS*

Yeah well it might of gone off what the first page topic was by now but the other day this hick in class was giving me crap from before I even walked in. I got the teacher to make him sit down, and then he just kept turning around and swearing and all the normal stuff so I told him to face the front and to shut up. "Make me, you stupid retard." Was what I got back, so I did. I got up and kicked the bottom of his chair and it collapsed under him and he smacked his head on the desk and fell to the floor. The teacher seeing what he had done before hand ignored it.
This solved the problem; he hasn't come near me since.
But then in another case these kids have been ganging up on me so I've been doing nothing and just got their names, told my father and "action" will be taken against them. (They'll be moved from our area.)
And this I hope will work in this case.



-Only fight the fights you can win, be smart in the one's you can't.
-Lord Epssy

[The One]

[color=darkred]Actually TN, I wasn't asking for your age, I was asking for Acids, hehe, but it's good to know. I wasn't questioning the closure of the last thread (I did do then, but not now), I understand now that it broke the rules in other ways.

Mnemolth, I can see what your getting at, but TN is TN, he is, by nature kinda self involved. He likes to dispute things, but you shouldn't crucify him for that. I like to dispute things also, not so much on the boards as the forums I usually visit don't have a lot of things to dispute, but in 'real life' I pick out the little details that are incorrect or could have been reworded. It is part of my character as it is TNs. Honestly, I like TNs attitude, the boards wouldn't be the same without him to pick things up and say something critical (sometimes overboard) about it.

Cloricus, it seems you have asked your father to fight your battles for you. You had them moved, that seems low to me, even if they were ganging up on you, you didn't say if they actually hurt you.

Acid seems to have abandoned this thread, or has nothing to say, I think this thread should be left, it will only end in tears. Hehehe.[/color]

[Lady Asphyxia]

[color=darkred]Actually, The One,(whoa, its you...ack!), I've seen the ganging up situation that Cloricus was talking about. Almost every lunchtime they'd come, pick a fight with him using the rather sad insults of "He is such a ******" and then fight. Now, because, basically, in the eyes of the school, Cloricus started the fights (he struck first blow), despite the stirring by them, it's actually a wise move for him to record the incidents and tell his father (who is a teacher here), otherwise, he gets in trouble...

Our school bullying system is pretty wacked. It depends on the sort of teachers around. I've gotten teased by guys in my homeroom class, and I retaliated (with words, not actions). My PC teacher wasn't happy, but he realised that I was standing up for myself(which doesn't often happen in my grade) and said nothing...

Our school, to my viewpoint, preaches about verbal bullying, but doesn't recognise it in real life. Which is how so many people get away with bullying at our school.

With the guys who were annoying Cloricus, they're already in trouble, because, to be honest, they're complete ****s who have no respect for anyone. They've been gotten for vandalism, bullying, smoking(I think) and quite a few other things.

Eep. Long post.[/color]

[Guest cloricus]

Rae, who are you again. (irl)

You all have to remember than if I get in to a real fight, I mean a real fight I would not stop until the other was incapacitated or I was. I really have had enough of people picking on me and I would make an example of such a person.

My father has only ever done any thing is the situation that any parent would, eg me coming home from school bleeding and with bruises and crap.

-Lord Epssy

[The One]

[color=darkred]That makes sense now, thankyou for clearing that up.[/color]

[Lady Asphyxia]

[color=darkred]No problem. I know how confusing it gets when you don't have all the information. UNless you were talking to Cloricus, in which case I feel like a fool.


The only fighting I do, in fight terms, is with my brother, and that doesn't happen so often any more as we get older. The only other type of fighting I do is verbal, which, half the time, is (for me at least) for fun. [/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i]
[B]You don't 'throw your opinions out', you [b]push[/b] them around. And you don't do it just because they are your opinions [b]despite[/b] them not being popular, you do it often [b]because[/b] you know they [b]will[/b] be disputed. The smugness is written all over your posts.

And yes, of course you debate, but there are all kinds of levels of debate, and [b]sometimes[/b] the level you're at is not a constructive one. You deride and demean with your comments. You do so as if you have some desparate need to show people how intelligent you are, and the only way you can demonstrate your intelligence is by cutting down other people. Its not 'witty' or 'cool'. Its just nasty. Plain and simple. And the sad thing is no one here is going to say anything. Some because you are a mod. Others because they fear they don't have the posting ability to take you down. And those who are not afraid of your mod status or your posting ability have been around too long to be objective.

So I step in. And I may be arrogant and immature, but certainly no more so than you, and probably a lot less. If you look at my posts and if you read them, and you understand them, then you may have some very vague idea of who I am and what I've done with my life, in which case you would not question my capacity to step in on a forum like this and give people a light tap on their shoulders. If you haven't followed my posts, or understood them, then this will certainly come across as one of the most self-righteous and holier-than-thou posts that you have ever seen. And that's fair enough.

Take the hint. You've made an a** of yourself, swallow your pride, learn from the experience and walk away. Don't just march on regardless. Look at the content of the post you made when you closed the 'too smart' thread. Think.

In any case, you may want to speak to Wrist Cutter. He may be able to tell you something about me, or not. *shrugs* Perhaps its best that you don't respond, or at least not in public. Either way, this is the last I'm going to say about this matter in this thread. This 'fight' has gone on long enough. I also want to give you the option of having the last word on the matter.
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The irony here is so strong. What you don't realize because your SO thick headed, is that you have done all of the above as much as I have in this one thread. There's no point in saying anymore, if you can't see it, you truely are blind and there's no use trying to make you see. I guess you'll have to let the other people see it for you, although it seems some already have, you just choose not to listen.

I don't see why it's nasty to say "fighting is stupid."... I'm sorry, but last time I checked you either fight when you are a child (aka immature) or drunk.... or you are just so stupid that you don't know any other way to get a point across. That, my friend, IS stupid. There's nothing else to it.

Like you said, there's no use in dragging this on any further. If you want to jump down my throat because I said fighting is stupid, then fine. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. A person like you will not change my mind. No one will. You and I are different, you don't care what the other person thinks, and I always take into consideration what the other thinks to make my point of view that much more concrete. If you noticed, any oppotunity that people have presented here of whether I would "fight back" I've responded to with my own way. When I debate something I always look at both sides before I say what I want. You on the other hand are to stuck up in your own opinion like so many others.

You make it seem like you won this "debate." hah. Now whos the arrogant one?

[Kent]

I'm actually suprised with that post just above mine.

Not that trans nerve has any sort of responsibitlity to make certain sorts of post or anything. But I never took tn to be one to make insults or take an aggressive stance on an issue that he proclaims his view to be peace above all else.

I am atleast happy that you, tn, managed to get across your point and answer the one question of what to do when your option to talk is not there.

I must admit, I really do feel just about the same, I dont think fighting is right, ever. But I do know there are times when it is unavoidable.

I also think trans nerve hit the nail on the head about the thread being at the point of dragging on.

We have all made our opinions clear, and since this thread has come to the point of insulting one another, I say this thread get the big closing from one of the distinguished mods.

And holy ****! cloricus agreeing with me about anything... it really is time for this to end.

[Guest cloricus]

Yeah, I scared too... *Still Running* :P
If fights happen they happen, they will for the foreseeable future continue unless social standards go higher than they are now, but I for one enjoy a good fight if some one has been hitting/abusing (Verbally)/attacking me for a long time. Revenge is some thing that is natural, can't do any thing about it.

Yeah well I agree with Gokents again 0_o I think this thread has run its course.

-Lord Epssy

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]I have always considered myself a fairly intelligent guy (not brilliant, mind you, but a few of my brain cells have eluded the carbonated poison that saturates my blood stream every friday and saturday night), but now I realize I am a dolt, a mere simpelton that has no ability or right to function in moderen civilization.

I don't care for fighting, but I have fought before and, if put into a situation where I find myself being threatened with physical harm, I will fight again. It is unrealistic to say that you can avoid any or all possible conflicts...a man could walk up to you in a bar and just hit you for no reason, it has happened to me before. When it happened I defended myself and struck back. Although I didn't win that fight (is there ever truly a winner in a fight? In this case there was, and it wasn't me), I protected myself as best I could, and I don't think I was stupid for doing it.[/color]

[Talon]

[color=teal]So it goes for me. I used to get into fights repeatedly. Then, once upon a time, I found that my reason for my self-hatred (which was ill-aimed, as I never once lost a fight) was no reason at all, I quit. Yet I still box, occasionally, and I find it hard to lose. I'm not a very strong person, though, and I don't mean to brag, but I was built to be an agile, smart person. Yet I avoid fights at all costs around innocent people. I hate anyone but myself getting hurt. After every fight I penance myself by either allowing my sister to play Britney Spears at full volume or by beating myself as my opponent did not.[/color]

[Mr. Maul]

I'd only get into a fight if I knew I would win.

[Guest boogeta]

I know why you started to fight and i would of done the same:devil: