My Friend Beleives in Witchcraft...

[Sui Generis]

[quote][i]Originally Posted by Dues Ex Machina[/i] [b]Yeah, I did click on a link (not sure which) so I know that Wicca insn't actually against Christianity in any way.. And I don't necessarily believe that you are against God personally.. what I meant in that post that it is my belief that your actions are against the will of God.. So essentially, I was posting from my personal belief rather than some objective truth (actually I happen to believe that it is an objective truth.. but that's still just my belief), and I should have made that clear..[/b]
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Ah, I'm sorry I mis-read your post, I did not mean to come off as angered or defensive if I did. I respect your opinion and to some degree find it valid/true. Not fully but thats my opinion so there you go.

[quote][i]Originally Posted By Endymion [/i]
[b]#1 What I don't understand is why some Christians don't agree with other religions. Buddhism, for example, has certain sects that believe in Jesus. (I think) Some Buddhists believe that Jesus was a buddha (a, not "the"). He was at peace with himself and his surroundings, he was very enlightened.
Someone said that Wicca promotes God. So what's the big deal here? If a Wiccan believes in God, promotes God, and doesn't try to harm anyone, then why is Wicca so wrong?
So what some of you are saying is that even if you believe in the same God and lead a good life, it's completely invalid if you're doing it a different way. By this logic, a Catholic, a Baptist, and a Lutheran can be good friends all of their lives, but only one is getting into heaven because he was the only "full" Christian.

It doesn't make sense. I don't accept that. That's just not one of my beliefs.[/b][/quote]

That is my point, and what Wiccans have been trying to get across..This throws off what Dues said when he said that you don't have to be like Jesus to be accepted into Heaven. Witches do no harm towards anyone. In-fact since some of you read the link it would be obviouse that is one of our biggest rules.

Nor do I understand this thought....

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Endymion [/i]
[B][b]#1[/b]
What I don't understand is why some Christians don't agree with other religions. Buddhism, for example, has certain sects that believe in Jesus. (I think) Some Buddhists believe that Jesus was a buddha (a, not "the"). He was at peace with himself and his surroundings, he was very enlightened.
Someone said that Wicca promotes God. So what's the big deal here? If a Wiccan believes in God, promotes God, and doesn't try to harm anyone, then why is Wicca so wrong?
So what some of you are saying is that even if you believe in the same God and lead a good life, it's completely invalid if you're doing it a different way. By this logic, a Catholic, a Baptist, and a Lutheran can be good friends all of their lives, but only one is getting into heaven because he was the only "full" Christian.

It doesn't make sense. I don't accept that. That's just not one of my beliefs.[/B][/QUOTE]

OK.. I'm gonna deal with two quotes in one here..

First quote: "By this logic, a Catholic, a Baptist, and a Lutheran can be good friends all of their lives, but only one is getting into heaven because he was the only full Christian"

If either one of the 3 people in your examples actually believe that only their denomination will get into heaven, then they have completely misunderstood the gospel.

I go to an Anglican church, but if someone asked me what my faith was, I'd say "Christian", not "Anglican" (as some would) because I just don't think it's right to divide the Christian faith.. Let me explain:

I see no problem with Catholics, Baptist, Lutherans, Anglicans, Pentecostals, or [i]any[/i] other Christian denomination. I would quite happily go along to a church service led by any of them. However, if an individual believes that his/her denomination is above all the others, then I would have a huge problem with that, and would confront them about it, even if they were the minister of that church, because that's not the point at all. At my anglican church, we have people from all sorts of denominations, so it's less of an anglican church, and more of simply a "Christian Church".

OK.. so that's the denomination thing sorted. Now onto the actual point:

with regards to the point about some buddhists believing in Jesus, and that Jesus was a buddha- fine. But Jesus was a Jew. I don't actually know what buddhism is all about, so I don't really know whether it's more of a religion or a state of mind, or what, but it says quite clearly in Exodus 20 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below"- It's a [i]completely separate commandment[/i] to the 'you shall have no other Gods' commandment, so essentially, being part of a religion that makes statues of someone who was apparently very enlightened, and then uses it in some form of religious ceremony (I'm hazy in that area though), breaks the second commandment, as it is idolatry. So no, you can't be a Christian and a buddha.

I see no problem with being a buddha that believes in Jesus- but you would not be a Christian. A Christian is someone who surrenders their life to Jesus as their saviour. Not someone who believes that Jesus was just very enlightened.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i]
[B]That is my point, and what Wiccans have been trying to get across..This throws off what Deus said when he said that you don't have to be like Jesus to be accepted into Heaven. Witches do no harm towards anyone. In-fact since some of you read the link it would be obviouse that is one of our biggest rules.

Nor do I understand this thought.... [/B][/QUOTE]

You don't have to be like Jesus to be accepted, but you've probably misunderstood the point.

Someone who has been good all their life can be accepted into heaven, if he decides to wholeheartedly accept the good news (meaning gospel) of Jesus;
A mass murderer can be accepted into heaven, if he decides to wholeheartedly accept the good news of Jesus;
A young boy can be accepted into heaven, if he decides to wholeheartedly accept the good news of Jesus;
An old man on his death bed can be accepted into heaven, if he decides to wholeheartedly accept the good news of Jesus;
A rich man can be accepted into heaven, if he decides to wholeheartedly accept the good news of Jesus
A poor man can be accepted into heaven, if he decides to wholeheartedly accept the good news of Jesus

[b][i][u]ANYONE[/b][/i][/u] can be accepted into heaven
[b]if[/b] he decides to wholeheartedly accept the good news of Jesus

The good news in a nutshell goes like this- everyone has sin in them, but because Jesus, the son of God died on the cross with everyone's sin, you can all be accepted, simply by acknowledging that he did this, and giving your life to him. Whether you do this on your first or your last breath, it doesn't matter at all, we will all get the same reward when we enter the heavens.

So yes, a witch can get into heaven, even if we believe it is wrong, but you have to actually give your life to (as in "live to serve") Jesus first, not simply to acknowledge that there probably is a God, and he's probably OK with what you're doing.

You see, a mass murderer can get into heaven if he accepts the gospel, but if he did, then he would have a duty to not take another life.
A young boy can be accepted into heaven, but he would have a duty to live for Jesus for the rest of his life- [i]NOT[/i] perfectly, but in forgiveness.
A rich man can be accepted into heaven, but he would have a duty to give money to the poor, who need it.

All three of these people may make mistakes, and become led away from God's path for them, but they will be forgiven, and they will accept that they were wrong.

According to the bible, witchcraft is wrong. I know that it's hard to accept, I [i]have[/i] read the site, so I know you are peaceful people, but according to the bible, it's wrong. I haven't quite worked out why- presumably because it uses some sort of heavenly power which we are forbidden to use. I know that just pointing to the bible as backup seems kind of shallow, but it's just my belief. Nonetheless, a witch can be accepted into heaven, and they wouldn't need to necessarily give up witchcraft, but if they TRULY gave their life to Jesus (not just going around calling themselves Christians, as so many Christians do also), then they would [i]probably[/i] find that they want to give it up anyway.

Two last points and then I'll shut up:

1- There are two kinds of Christians, generally. One is the type that just goes to church every Sunday and believes in God. The other is the type that gives their life to God every day of the week. Regardless of denomination, the second is a "true" christian, whereas the first isn't.

2- Christians have an alternative to witchcraft which works just as well but doesn't involve controlling heavenly power- it's called "[i]PRAYER[/i]", and it [b]does[/b] work just as much as witchcraft. Prayer can heal, it can change people's hearts, it can have all sorts of influences both in the real world and in people's minds- and I not only say that it can work, but it DOES work.. I have witnessed that kind of thing working so many times, it just doesn't shock me anymore..

[vegeta rocker]

More people have been killed in the name of God than anyone else........

you pray to a diffrent invisible man than me--George Carlin

[Guest SunRiZe]

This is why I believe in the Holy Bible, which claims to be a message sent from creator to creation, please remember i am not trying to convert you, I am simply putting the other side of the argument on the table, so you can make up your won mind (Just thought id put that in after my last post regarding this)
I have ample reason to believe in the word of the Bible, so i'll give you my "why I believe in god" rant now,

I believe the Bible to be the one true source for God's will. Why? this is because I have read chapters like Isaiah and Zechariah, And Revelation which detail the first and second comings of the lord Jesus Christ. First of all, The first coming prophecies were in exact detail, they were so accurate that sceptics had argued they were written after the fact. However, they found a set of Scrolls from Isaiah pre dating Christ.

This is why I believe that the Second Coming will happen, you may not and thats fine, it's up to you, Deus Ex Machina and I are simply giving you the other side, so you may make up your own mind.

Ok, so, now the Second Coming Prophecies. We have already seen many of these happen, however it seems to be coincidentally left out of any major news media.

The fact that Israel is a nation is a direct prophecy of Isaiah 66.1 "who has heard of such a thing? has a nation ever been bought forth in one day? for as soon as Zion prevailed, she bought forth her children"

Isaiah?s words were fulfilled as the U.N Constituted a state of Israel in 1948. Isaiah also said that Israel will blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. It is now known that Israel supplies 90 % of Europe?s citrus fruits. And the Aravah desert is blossoming again.

Also, Matthew 24, Jesus Christ says that mankind will be perplexed by strange tides and weather patterns, and they would fear a terrible fate coming upon the world.

Kind of like it is now, with the hole in the ozone layer and el Ninio weather patterns, isn?t it?

"There would be signs in the heavens and the earth, and the good news of the gospel shall be preached to every nation on the earth, then shall the end come."

This appears to be the last prophecy before the rapture, note how holy scripture in revelation and Matthew tend to point to a breakdown of Christian values, and a turning away from Christ, before the rapture, when all true believers in Christ Jesus shall be with our lord forever, unfortunately this will unlock the gates of hell literally, and here comes the man of lawlessness, the guy described in Revelation as the Beast, or in the Holy Scriptures as Antichrist.

Wicca, by the way the Bible terms it, is Pagan, this is true, it's roots and origins are pagan, and Pagan was the foundation of rebellion against God.
therefore, Pagan IS Antichrist. sorry.
It is controlled by an evil spirit called Babylon, Babylon seduced the nations and makes them drunk of her immorality, (see Revelation 13). So, although Wicca are nice people, and I have nothing against them, they are in direct defiance of the word of God.

Well, just remember that no matter what you decide to believe after this rather long winded speech, that God loves you and so do I, I love everyone on otakuboards, and the world in my ambition to be Christ-like. So whatever the outcome, I'll still respect and love you as a person remember this.


[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina [/i]
[B] 1- There are two kinds of Christians, generally. One is the type that just goes to church every Sunday and believes in God. The other is the type that gives their life to God every day of the week. Regardless of denomination, the second is a "true" Christian, whereas the first isn't.

2- Christians have an alternative to witchcraft which works just as well but doesn't involve controlling heavenly power- it's called "[i]PRAYER[/i]", and it [b]does[/b] work just as much as witchcraft. Prayer can heal, it can change people's hearts, it can have all sorts of influences both in the real world and in people's minds- and I not only say that it can work, but it DOES work.. I have witnessed that kind of thing working so many times, it just doesn't shock me anymore.. [/B][/QUOTE]


I used to be the first example, always believing that only Catholicism was right, and that all other sects and denominations were going to hell, this is the way i was brought up. The power of prayer was that I was able to attend a Christian camp where I learned the truth.

Also, God has blessed me with the mindset to make a Christian Manga called the rising sun, he also provided me a way out of high school where i was failing with a full scholarship to a Multimedia course where i can work on Rising sun. Things just started falling into place when i start praying, like when i prayed that they would get the Washington Sniper and they got him an hour later.

I do have more, but i will keep it for later :)

[Imp]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by genkai [/i]
[B]uh, wow..Nefertimon, are you serious or joking? sorry, i was laughing as i read it, was that a joke or were you serious? sorry, i'm confused...[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=blue]Uhhh... you mean the whole thing? Well, I speak the truth. That actually is true! This entire world is so magical... to me that is...[/COLOR]

[Sui Generis]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nefertimon [/i]
[B][COLOR=blue]Uhhh... you mean the whole thing? Well, I speak the truth. That actually is true! This entire world is so magical... to me that is...[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

Exactly. I believe there is magic (obviously) and thats one of my main reasons! I agree with her....


ANd why would you think she's joking?

[Pepper]

Witchcraft is something i dont like making familiar with myself. I doubt many of it's properties because of something a Witchly friend of mine told me, she said when your a Witch your "free" from laws and rules of judgment. She told me that when your a Witch stuff is only right when you think it's right and it's wrong when you think it's wrong. What i mean unlike the Chistian Faith (which i follow) in Witchcraft there is no such thing as "the golden rule" you do things your way, you treat others with [i]your[/i] judgemnt and yet you are taught to expect equal treatment from others. To back her story up she even showed me her book, written by a heard of famous Witches. I'm sorry but that type of style dosent fly with me.

[Sui Generis]

You don't have to be in magic, its your life. Just one flaw in that thing I saw. There is something you could call the Golden Rule. It is...[b]Harm None[/b]. You're allowed to do just about anything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or thing.

Also there is the 3-fold rule like someone has stated already

If you do magic for good it comes back 3 fold to you...
If you do magic for evil it comes back 3 fold to you...

[Deedlit]

[color=009966][b]Thanks for the link, Bryan. Like I said, I have a friend who's a Wicca, so that really helped me to understand her better. ^_~

It said that they don't harm anyone, and they don't associate themselves with Satan, so I don't understand why some people think badly of Wicca. It just shows how narrow-minded some people are. [/color][/b]

[Sui Generis]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deedlit [/i]
[B][color=009966][b]Thanks for the link, Bryan. Like I said, I have a friend who's a Wicca, so that really helped me to understand her better. ^_~

It said that they don't harm anyone, and they don't associate themselves with Satan, so I don't understand why some people think badly of Wicca. It just shows how narrow-minded some people are. [/color][/b] [/B][/QUOTE]

As much as I'd like to agree with you, its not totally their fault. The religion (IE: Christianity) teaches them this. Although they can decide themselves, its also just the beliefs of the religion. So you can blame them, but its not totally their fault. However I wish it doesn't happen but it does!

By The Way : No problem! Glad I could help!

[Valen]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Yu Yu Hakusho! [/i]
[B]My friend, Megan, beleives in witchcraft and she claims that we can go back in time to warn the people about 9/11 since she lost a family member in the accident. She says that the spell is to make a time machine and go back in time, although me and my other friend, Lauren, don't beleive that we can change past events. Megan is really serious, although she isn't some goth witch who wears black and stuff like that....she's not too wierd, I guess, but she's really serious about this time travel spell, although she says it might not work. She claims to have done a money spell and to have gotten 50 dollars and she says she did a revenge spell on her ex-boyfriend and something strange happened to him, like he failed his classes or lost his next girlfriend......I really don't beleive her, but tell me what you think. Is she just dreaming or is she really messed up? [/B][/QUOTE]

Ok, you all may think it is impossible to do, but it isn't... there is a spell that you can do, but I wouldn't do it to change the past... do you realize how one little thing can change the future forever? It's not worth it... like say someone went back in time and killed Gallileo, we wouldn't have any way of knowing if Mars even existed, we wouldn't know that the sun is a star, we also wouldn't have been able to go to the moon without him... his invention of the telescope made the peoples' dream get bigger and turn into reality...

But as for the time machine thing, if you can find a machine fast enough to break through the fabric of time, go for it.

Btw... you don't have to be all "goth" to believe in Witchcraft or practice it. There are a few religions that the people believe in witchcraft and practice it everyday of their lives... it's not restricted to the wannabes that dress all in black and act like thier big and bad because they know how to close a door without touching it. When they can change their eye color and hair color and change their clothes by moving their hand over them, then they can call themselves "witches". And yes, a male is also called a witch. And contrary to popular belief, they don't worship the devil like all these "goth" people think (no offense if you are goth)... they don't even believe in Satan... But that's beside the point... I know I went off-topic there, but I just had to clear a few things up for some members that read this...

Now, back on topic, she isn't crazy... some people truely believe in the craft and practice it... but if she does know any good spells, beside the usual (love, hate, money), she hopefully knows that whatever she does comes back to her times three (x3)... Plus, as stated before, Christianity teaches that the use of witchcraft is evil, thus the "Burning Times" occured and made Salen, Mass. famous for witches. Well, I'm gonna stop rambling on now...

-[font=Signature][size=5]Valen[/size][/font]

[Manic Webb]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Valen [/i]
[B]And contrary to popular belief, they don't worship the devil like all these "goth" people think (no offense if you are goth)... they don't even believe in Satan... But that's beside the point... I know I went off-topic there, but I just had to clear a few things up for some members that read this...[/B][/QUOTE]

Not to be rude, but that was pretty much covered (and sorta debated upon) throughout most of this thread.

[Valen]

Well, sorry... just had to clarify it... for the ones who know thier stuff and they won the debate... or somethin... i dunno... anyway... that was for the ones who strongly thought we did...

[Phantom]

Endymion, actually that was very rude and a waste of post. Mostly, when people like Valen post somthign like that is because they want to put their two cents in without being influenced by the precedent posts. Sure most of the info that he infoscribed was previously established, but there is no reason to inform him of that, and unless he was completely stupid, he would have realized that within the previous 4 pages of posts, his point would have been stated. Anways, Valen, your post was actually pretty accurate...but wasnt the city: Salem, not Salen? or am i delerious? hee.

[Pepper]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i]
[B]You don't have to be in magic, its your life. Just one flaw in that thing I saw. There is something you could call the Golden Rule. It is...[b]Harm None[/b]. You're allowed to do just about anything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or thing.

Also there is the 3-fold rule like someone has stated already

If you do magic for good it comes back 3 fold to you...
If you do magic for evil it comes back 3 fold to you... [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks, now i understand it more, at first it seemed very strange to me but now i know what it's all about....sorry if i sounded close-minded or arrogant ^^;

[Manic Webb]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mystic's Knight [/i]
[B]Endymion, actually that was very rude and a waste of post.[/B][/QUOTE]

I said I wasn't trying to be rude, dagnabbit!! :flaming:
How does someone say they're not trying to be rude and somebody interprets what they said as being very rude? Why didn't I just say "Hey moron!"? Oh, I know! Maybe It's because I wasn't trying to be rude! I'm sorry if you think I'm an inconsiderate a-hole after I specifically said I didn't want to be rude, but I tell people I don't want to come off as rude for a very good reason! :mad:

Anyway...

Anyway, Valen (the person I was addressing) I'm sorry if my post came off as rude. I didn't mean to offend you. I just thought I'd let you know that a few other people talked about that earlier, just in case you missed it. Sorry. :)

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Endymion [/i]
[B]I said I wasn't trying to be rude, dagnabbit!! :flaming:
How does someone say they're not trying to be rude and somebody interprets what they said as being very rude? Why didn't I just say "Hey moron!"? [/B][/QUOTE]

"Don't mean to hurt you but I'm gonna cut your leg off with a rusty saw now"

My point is- Mystics Knight never said you were trying to be rude- he just said you were, and that it was a waste of a post, whether you were [i]trying[/i] to be rude or not. The same point is often said by a number of people in any one thread, as he was probaly replying to the [b]original post[/b], not the most recent one, as this was his FIRST post in this thread.

Anyway.. I think the matter has pretty much been cleared up.. just thought I'd say that MK wasn't saying you [i]tried[/i] to be rude..

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by vegeta rocker [/i]
[B]More people have been killed in the name of God than anyone else........
[/B][/QUOTE]

And your point is?

If someone kills me in the name of Spankey the Monkey, does that make Monkeys evil or does it make the guy who killed me a nut? God doesn't tell people to kill others, people put those words in his mouth. Do NOT get the two mixed up.


[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SunRiZe[/i]
[B]I used to be the first example, always believing that only Catholicism was right, and that all other sects and denominations were going to hell, this is the way i was brought up. The power of prayer was that I was able to attend a Christian camp where I learned the truth.[/b][/quote]

I'm glad you learned that ;) it takes a lot to break away from what you think you've known all your life. As I said, I have no problem with any other denomination.. I tend to not even class myself into a denomination (even though my church is anglican) but, I do strongly disagree with anyone who thinks their denomination alone is the true one, but hasn't really given their life to God (I actually know a few Catholics who think the same way as me, so they're not all of that opinion ;)).

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deedlit[/i]
[B]Thanks for the link, Bryan. Like I said, I have a friend who's a Wicca, so that really helped me to understand her better. ^_~

It said that they don't harm anyone, and they don't associate themselves with Satan, so I don't understand why some people think badly of Wicca. It just shows how narrow-minded some people are.[/b][/quote]

If they really do think badly of Wicca, rather than just not agreeing with their beliefs, then yeah, they are extremely narrow minded. Christianity doesn't say that other religions are bad, it simply says that it alone is right, as all the other religions say. I could go on for ages about why Christianity is different, and right, but that's not really what the discussion is about. I know you didn't say "Christianity is against Wicca", but Bryan did.. so I thought I'd correct the issue- Christianity isn't [i]against[/i] Wicca, we just believe that it is wrong to use magic. That doesn't mean "Wicca is bad", it just means "We believe that Wicca is wrong", in the same way that we believe other religions are wrong, and they believe that we are wrong. Not one Christian in this thread has actually said "Wicca is [b]bad[/b]", and actually made Biblical references, or any other kind of backup for that fact.

[Justin]

It states more than once in the Bible that the use of witchcraft, calling upon the dead, summoning Lucifer's power, or anything else related [i]are[/i] wrong.

Just thought I'd bring that to light.

As far as the different denominations of Christianity go: I really don't like the fact that there are so many. I think we should all unify into one. Sadly, we can't do that and please everyone.

-Justin

[conpiracymonki]

[b][size=1]
What [i]is [/i]the difference between the main Christian sects?
[/b]
Pretty out-of-topic, I know, but it's the perfect opportunity to find out..
Thanks[/size]

[Guest demlinos]

In reply to the first post, her spell is fake. I am wiccan (a witch) and know that it is not possible to physicaly go back in time to change things. This defyes one of my most probable laws.
"If one goes back in time, then the past would have to still be happening. And if this is true, then the future is happening too. Then, If someone went into the future, there would be amillion of him in the future. This is true because if the past is still happening over and over again, then he would go threw time over and over again. There for, there would be an infinite number of him.
This in itself poses a problem. For energy cannot be created nor destroyed. So, creating more of herself would break this law, or destroy the world because the energy level that is currently present (there is one) would become more and make it unstable." This is just some thinking that i did while under deep meditation. I dream walked (not sleep walked, dream walked) where i made my way to one of the many 'rips' in the shell protecting us from the energy in use. The energy is not actually in this world. It is in another that is unstable already. So the more energy you (if possible) create, would make it rip more, releasing the energy onto our world. Since most of us can't contain or control it, we will die. Tell me your thoughts. I will post more.

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]As far as the different denominations of Christianity go: I really don't like the fact that there are so many. I think we should all unify into one. Sadly, we can't do that and please everyone.

-Justin [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree with you there. I actually sort of consider the denominations to be like nations in a way- each has it's own distinctive culture, but sadly each one also has a few who believe that only their denomination is truly right. That's the main problem, I think. I'm all for diversity.. some people like services that I would consider boring, whereas I'm all for a really lively service with modern, rock-esque worship. The main problem is that people think that the two have to be divided into seperate denominations.

There are actualy a lot of churches around these days which don't actually belong to a specific denomination.. I think they're generally called "fellowships" rather than churches.. I've been to one before and it was really quite good to be free from denominational traditions..

Oh yeah, and Justin, one day we [b]will[/b] all be unified, in God's church rather than our own ;)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AJeh [/i]
[B]What is the difference between the main Christian sects?

Pretty out-of-topic, I know, but it's the perfect opportunity to find out..
Thanks[/B][/QUOTE]

To be honest with you, I don't really have that much idea.. They're kind of more like different cultures within the same faith, than seperate faiths, no matter what some of them may think about whether or not the other denominations will go to hell or not..

I'm not entirely sure whether the people that teach that their denomination is the only true one, will actually get into heaven at all, cos in a way it's false teaching (anyone who disagrees obviously hasn't properly read the bible), and it's quite clearly said that some people who claim to know God will get to heaven and God will say "I never knew you", because essentially they were never really working for him, they were working to elevate themselves over everyone else, when the Bible actually teaches humility (being humble). So yeah.. Anyone who wants to disagree with me on that all denominations are equally able to get into heaven, then fine, do so, but if you seriously believe that then you are not acting in line with the gospel of Christ.

There are also "cults" around, like Jehovahs witnesses.. they aren't really Christians, that fact has been pretty established at our church when one of our members asked a group of Jehovahs witnesses "are you Christians", and they said "no". Basically, they believe the Bible being absolutely true, but refuse to believe in the Holy Spirit, so they are kind of a contradiction rather than a christian denomination, as the Bible clearly states that the Holy Spirit is real.

So yeah.. in my view the only difference between denominations is cultural.. we're all part of God's church, we just choose to do things differently, like people in different parts of the world.. but ultimately, we'll all be part of God's church in the end, if we have actually given our lives to him.

It may be best to see if anyone actually knows the real differences (rather than the similarities, which I have given) between the denominations.. I'm not an expert on the actual denominations themselves, so I don't really know.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by demlinos [/i]
[B]In reply to the first post, her spell is fake. I am wiccan (a witch) and know that it is not possible to physicaly go back in time to change things. This defyes one of my most probable laws.
"If one goes back in time, then the past would have to still be happening. And if this is true, then the future is happening too. Then, If someone went into the future, there would be amillion of him in the future. This is true because if the past is still happening over and over again, then he would go threw time over and over again. There for, there would be an infinite number of him. This in itself poses a problem. For energy cannot be created nor destroyed. So, creating more of herself would break this law, or destroy the world because the energy level that is currently present (there is one) would become more and make it unstable." This is just some thinking that i did while under deep meditation. I dream walked (not sleep walked, dream walked) where i made my way to one of the many 'rips' in the shell protecting us from the energy in use. The energy is not actually in this world. It is in another that is unstable already. So the more energy you (if possible) create, would make it rip more, releasing the energy onto our world. Since most of us can't contain or control it, we will die. Tell me your thoughts. I will post more. [/B][/QUOTE]

Um.. if someone goes to the past, it just has to be there.. Time is just a dimension like space. You walk down a street from one end to another, and in the same way you walk through time all your life, from beginning to end. Say you walk down a street that is being built as you walk (really slow walk), at the same speed that you walk at. The street doesn't have to still be in construction at a particular point for you to go back there.. and if you decided to walk faster to a further point along the street, it doesn't necessarily have to have started construction yet, but you would get a vague idea of what it looks like. The only real difference is we can't yet control the walk through time. All that about there being an infinite number of you in the future just wrong. If we could travel in time, it doesn't mean that the past has to happen all over again, and therefore it doesn't mean that you would come back into the future an infinite number of times. The past happens once, if you go back there it doesn't necessarily mean the universe has to press the big rewind button and do it again.. and even if it did, there wouldn't be a million of the person, because when you play something back, the same thing happens every time, you don't suddenly get two of the same thing happening. I suggest you don't mix scientific principles like "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed", with crap like "there would be an infinite number of him".

[Guest gojay #2]

[color=blue][size=1]:babble:Well I have a friend who believes in witchcraft, and she claims that she is a wicca.[/color][/size]

[Valen]

o.O She may be, she may not be... all you can do is give her the benifit of the doubt... or ask her to name one of the Goddesses... if she can't name one of them, she probably either isn't Wiccan or she hasn't been taught about it...

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Valen [/i]
[B]o.O She may be, she may not be... all you can do is give her the benifit of the doubt... or ask her to name one of the Goddesses... if she can't name one of them, she probably either isn't Wiccan or she hasn't been taught about it... [/B][/QUOTE]

I thought Wiccans were supposed to not necessarily believe in a God.. or are these Goddesses a completely different kind of thing to your standard Religious God. If so, then I have no point whatsoever.

[::Ex-Soldier::]

Thats creepy. I have a friend that likes to do voodoo on people. I remember she told me that If I didn't listen one more time to her, that she'd cast a spell on me. Yeah, right.

I guess it is possible, but a little 13 year old brat couldn't do it, Im sure. Damn that girls annoying.