Mr. Maul Posted November 3, 2002 Share Posted November 3, 2002 Another book to read is "Witches and Witch Hunts." It is a very good book on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemolth Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 I dunno much about Witchcraft. But I do know Wicca seems to be a fairly popular religion amongst young people these days. Although, for those who are [b]serious[/b] about being Wiccan, they might want to read [url=http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/]http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/[/url]. The author has a bit of an attitude problem, but they do know their stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i] [B]I dunno much about Witchcraft. But I do know Wicca seems to be a fairly popular religion amongst young people these days. Although, for those who are [b]serious[/b] about being Wiccan, they might want to read [url=http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/]http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/[/url]. The author has a bit of an attitude problem, but they do know their stuff. [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah I've read that before its true...and its funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 What a coincidence! I very strongly believe in witchcraft and the entire world of magic. Probably more than all of you combined. All my prayers, songs, (except fot "The Real World") characters, and senses (:eek:!) have something to do with magic. I guess you could say I am a very spiritual and superstitious person. You know what I believe? I believe that in the... WAIT! Oh my gosh, I made a promise to the gods that I would not tell that secret! And I'm going to keep it, thank you. Anyways, my whole life is a world of magic and mystery. I believe there are two universes: the Natural and the Supernatural. In this Supernatural Universe, there are many planets, a lot of them twins of the places in the Natural Universe. Earth's twin is a planet called K-12. It is smaller, and it's moon (Galadra) is bigger, but it has a lot of Earth's features. There are some differences, like instead of people, ther are fairies and other magical creatures, but the fairies' main language is English, and Orenyan, which is spoken by the citizens of Orenya, a planet on the other side of the Milky Way. K-12 used to be a planet called Gala, but it was hit by an asteroid and turnes into K-12. Gala was Orenya's twin planet. No, Orenya did not turn into Earth; it never changed into anything! Well, even so, I'm a BIG believer in witchcraft, and some of my ttwelve senses can prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i] [B]I dunno much about Witchcraft. But I do know Wicca seems to be a fairly popular religion amongst young people these days. Although, for those who are [b]serious[/b] about being Wiccan, they might want to read [url=http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/]http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/[/url]. The author has a bit of an attitude problem, but they do know their stuff. [/B][/QUOTE] Ha, that's funny! This is my first time seeing this...it seems to tell everything about the "wannabe Wiccans" and how they act... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu Yu Hakusho! Posted November 4, 2002 Author Share Posted November 4, 2002 That really pisses me off, people making fun of someone beleiving in something. I used to not be able to celebrate Christmas because it was against my religion and people made fun of me AND my religion. And now people are saying "Wiccas pfft, stupid, blah blah" and all that other crap. Everyone has a right to beleive in what they want and I think that it is EXTREMLY rude and disrespectful to say those kinds of things to others. How would you like it if someone made fun of your religion or beleifs huh? I know that I wouldn't like it. Hey, maybe you think that the middle eastern religions (Islam) are horrible or stupid, but just keep your comments to yourself. PLEASE!!! We already have enough problems in this world now.... Now...back to witchcraft.... Megan is a Christan now, but she's still into a lot of dark "magic" and stuff like that... SHOULD WE BUILD THE "TIME MACHINE"?????? You tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkai Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 lol those are both cool sites...... uh, wow..Nefertimon, are you serious or joking? sorry, i was laughing as i read it, was that a joke or were you serious? sorry, i'm confused... yeah, it's very prejudiced. but a lot of fake wiccans are really annoying(see whywiccanssuck.com), but real ones are probably real peaceful or whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Yeah as genkai said, fake ones are very annoying. Real ones arn't really into the evil stuff as much as you think. Anyways, I think you should build the Time Machine. I mean you don't expect it to work nor do most people here, and it would add some fun to your life. I'd do it just for the heck of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinata Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 I can't say that I know believe in Witchcraft but.... I can say that there are powers out there that can make bad deeds happen...just as there are good. But as with the time travel.. I personally HOPE that no one can do that...That is definetly too much power taken from God and pit into the hands of man...I say if that ever happened not only could glorious and most magnificient things happen..but if put in the wrong hands...can lead to the most destructive and unimagineable effects on not only the planet but possibly the whole universe!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu Yu Hakusho! Posted November 5, 2002 Author Share Posted November 5, 2002 I beleive the way that you do to...but me and Megan and Lauren will get together and do it...although I SERIOUSELY doubt that it will work. But I won't let Megan's spitits down, even if she is a witch. She can beleive what she wants, and I don't have any problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sound_Nin] Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Let her think what she wants to. See if it works. If it doesnt be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotenksSSJ343 Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 I really don't believe in magic but those who do that fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Like Cera, I believe in magic and witchcraft.. but being a Christian I don't condone it in any way.. regardless of whether it was meant in the best intentions or not. I wouldn't blatantly lie to someone, steal from someone, or bow down to another God, even if I thought that good could come from it, and in my view, witchcraft is exactly the same.. essentially it's going against what God told us not to do, whether it's used to harm or not.. and it doesn't particularly matter to me whether the particular cult/religion is against Christians or not. Anyway.. saying that, I believe witchcraft is wrong, but I have nothing against witches or people who choose to follow those religions.. in the same way that I have no problem with people who follow any other religion.. It's just my opinion that witchcraft is wrong, not "witches are bad people" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina [/i] [B]Like Cera, I believe in magic and witchcraft.. but being a Christian I don't condone it in any way.. regardless of whether it was meant in the best intentions or not. I wouldn't blatantly lie to someone, steal from someone, or bow down to another God, even if I thought that good could come from it, and in my view, witchcraft is exactly the same.. essentially it's going against what God told us not to do, whether it's used to harm or not.. and it doesn't particularly matter to me whether the particular cult/religion is against Christians or not. Anyway.. saying that, I believe witchcraft is wrong, but I have nothing against witches or people who choose to follow those religions.. in the same way that I have no problem with people who follow any other religion.. It's just my opinion that witchcraft is wrong, not "witches are bad people" [/B][/QUOTE] I'm just curiouse did you click on the link that I posted in one of my older posts? Wicca/Witchcraft is not a religion against God. We promote God, you can be Wiccan and still be Christian. True you arn't a complete Wiccan or a complete Christian but you can still be both. Do you think bad of Buddhism? For Wicca can be seen as very similar to Buddhsim. It promotes nature, ones own self, and the community around you. We promote peace and love. We don't believe that there is truly one right God. Sorry I'll stop now...just thought I'd let you know. You may have known this but from how I read your post it seemed you thought Wicca was a satanic religion, which is a very common belief among other religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i] [B]We don't believe that there is truly one right God. [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]But we do. ;) And our Scripture states that witchcraft is forbidden. "True you arn't a complete Wiccan or a complete Christian but you can still be both." Do you really believe that? I'm just curious. I've always been taught that either a person is a Christian or one is not--there is no middle ground. [i]"'I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.[/i]" It's from Revelations. Chapter three, verses 16 and 17. I'm interested in your response.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Do I honestly believe it? Yes I do. Not one person can truly be completely Christian from all the rules set in this religion. (I am not trying to critisize Christianity so please don't take it that way) For to be a true Christian you must be truly like Jesus, and has been proven to be impossible for we are human and we sin. Also from what I got out of Sunday school and all my years going to church, they tell you there is no middle of the road and the Bible has this to draw you closer to God. For if you are scared you draw closer to the thing you are scared of, naturally you draw closer to God. Also I wonder what does your scripture describe "Witchcraft" as? I have found that the scriptures have been editing, mainly during the Dark and Renassons. I go to a Catholic school and even my teachers agree with me on that subject. So the way they describe "witchcraft" could be the form that the church molded to make "witches" seem evil. To make people come closer to the church obviously. I also am interested in seeing your result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 ok as my first post in this thread, im gona just jump out and state what I think about wicca, and about ANYTHING on topic of god and such. hehe... [b]Opinion![/b] There is somthing higher...somthing divine.. .but not one human on this earth has the right to say what it is. No one can truely know for sure 100% what it is or what THEY are. For one, I beleive in sorta somthing like god...somthing along those lines. No matter how much is wrote in bibles or Qua'rans or Anything of the main religions, no one knows for sure...no one even has the right to say based on writing no matter how compelling it is. Some things just arent meant to be know all end all. Everyone has a right to beleive...but no one has the right to think they are 100% right and tell others off and such and judge people for what they beleive..even if their scripture or watever they are reading tells them so. [b]WitchCraft?[/b] Seen it...felt it...its real. *just to answer the initial q* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 [size=1]Mmm. [b]Not one person can truly be completely Christian from all the rules set in this religion. For to be a true Christian you must be truly like Jesus...[/b] I don't believe that. You may [i]strive[/i] to be like him, but it is not a requirement. A Christian is one who follows Christ. "The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch." It was a name given them. I'm no expert on most denominations, but as for what I know... We believe that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith....not works. [Ephesians 2:8-9] Basically, someone has faith, and God says "Hey, come on in!" It doesn't matter what you've done in the past. There's a holier-than-thou bumpersticker that I see sometimes. [b]Christians aren't perfect.....Just forgiven.[/b] If that makes sense. [b](I am not trying to critisize Christianity so please don't take it that way) [/b] You don't have to worry about that. ;) Nor I am criticizing your beliefs...I just don't agree with the concept, exactly. In the same I way I disagree with Islam, or Buddhism, or Atheism...or anything else. I just don't believe that's what's out there. [Or not out there, as the case may be. ;)] [b]they tell you there is no middle of the road and the Bible has this to draw you closer to God.[/b] As well it should. But the verse I quoted earlier from Revelations says [i]I would rather you were cold or hot that lukewarm[/i]." God would rather we flat out reject Him than try and stay somewhere in between. Granted, that's not the ideal situation, but... And if the purpose the Bible is to bring people to believe it, don't you think it would urge people closer to God? It's not a conspiracy, it's the whole purpose of the thing. [b]For if you are scared you draw closer to the thing you are scared of, naturally you draw closer to God.[/b] I don't understand what you're saying here. If I'm afraid of something, I run. I've never been afraid of God. [b]Also I wonder what does your scripture describe "Witchcraft" as? I have found that the scriptures have been editing, mainly during the Dark and Renassons. I go to a Catholic school and even my teachers agree with me on that subject. So the way they describe "witchcraft" could be the form that the church molded to make "witches" seem evil. To make people come closer to the church obviously.[/b] Well, my Hebrew and Greek are a bit rusty. ;) Heh. Actually, I really don't know what the original versions would say. I'd like to be able to read them someday. In the meantime, you raise a good point, and I'll be sure to drive my poor Theology teacher nuts with it in the future.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 [b]I don't understand what you're saying here. If I'm afraid of something, I run. I've never been afraid of God.[/b] Have you ever thought of this though. As you are scared of something you tend to think about it more and more. Say if you are afraid of heights, you think about it. If you arn't afraid of it you don't think about it. From what I understand God wants us to be scared of him for the simple fact that with fear comes respect, knowledge, and as I said before we'll tend to think of him more. This is merely my opinion. Anyway I've enjoyed our short discussion, and hope that you've learned maybe alittle at how a Wiccan thinks :-p. I sure hope you drive your teacher nuts, I know I do with this stuff. Blessed Be, Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i] [B]I'm just curiouse did you click on the link that I posted in one of my older posts? Wicca/Witchcraft is not a religion against God. We promote God, you can be Wiccan and still be Christian. True you arn't a complete Wiccan or a complete Christian but you can still be both. Do you think bad of Buddhism? For Wicca can be seen as very similar to Buddhsim. It promotes nature, ones own self, and the community around you. We promote peace and love. We don't believe that there is truly one right God. Sorry I'll stop now...just thought I'd let you know. You may have known this but from how I read your post it seemed you thought Wicca was a satanic religion, which is a very common belief among other religions. [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, I did click on [i]a[/i] link (not sure which) so I know that Wicca insn't actually against Christianity in any way.. And I don't necessarily believe that you are against God personally.. what I meant in that post that it is [i]my belief[/i] that your actions are against the will of God.. So essentially, I was posting from my personal belief rather than some objective truth (actually I happen to believe that it is an objective truth.. but that's still just my belief), and I should have made that clear.. As for wicca not being against God, and being able to be Christian and Wiccan- You can't just be part Christian and overlook the bit of the bible that says that witchcraft is a sin.. to be a [i]true[/i] Christian at all you need to be a complete Christian, and that doesn't mean always going to church or owning a Bible (though they do help). All it means is that you fully believe [i]everything[/i] that we are told by God.. I'd find scriptural back-up but I don't have a bible handy as I'm at uni.. anyway.. I know you promote peace and love, I read that.. but my point was that I'm opposed to magic, and essentially I [i]believe[/i] magic to be a sin, whether it's meant for good or bad. You choose not to, therefore you don't see any problem with it, and I respect that opinion, but I still believe it to be bad.. that doesn't necessarily mean that you have to, because your opinion is worth just as much as mine, as all christians believe that God gave us choice to follow what we want ;) sorry if I gave the impression that I thought Wicca was some kind of branch of Satanism.. I really didn't mean to imply that. I think I tried to say "I know you're not against us in any way, and I'm not against you in a personal way, but I believe that your practices are wrong".. I [i]didn't[/i] mean that in a "stop doing that because it is wrong" kind of way, I was just stating my opinion on the situation.. and as I said before, your opinion is worth just as much as mine. so yeah.. I hope I cleared that up.. I didn't mean to imply that you are hateful, Satanist, or anything like that.. I just meant to say "according to my belief you're wrong", but that's just personal belief, not necessarily absolute truth, and I understand that ;) [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i] [B]Have you ever thought of this though. As you are scared of something you tend to think about it more and more. Say if you are afraid of heights, you think about it. If you arn't afraid of it you don't think about it. From what I understand God wants us to be scared of him for the simple fact that with fear comes respect, knowledge, and as I said before we'll tend to think of him more.[/B][/QUOTE] whoa.. just saw this and had to edit my post.. God does [i]not[/i] want to be feared.. anyone who is a Christian because they fear God has the absolute wrong idea.. you can't get it any more wrong!! God wants to be loved, and he wants to love us.. I'm not afraid of God, I love God.. OK, people feared him in the Old Testament, but that's because they had the wrong idea too.. the Ten Commandments were pretty much meant as guidelines for everyone to love each other, and God, but they misunderstood it and turned it into fear of God's punishment.. Jesus grew up reading just the Old Testament- and he wasn't afraid of God because he loved him, so that just shows how wrong people took the message.. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mystic's Knight [/i] [B]Some things just arent meant to be know all end all. Everyone has a right to beleive...but no one has the right to think they are 100% right and tell others off and such and judge people for what they beleive..even if their scripture or watever they are reading tells them so. [/B][/QUOTE] Absolutely right. Much as I love to believe that my God is up there, and much as I feel that I [i]know[/i] he's up there, due to lack of a better explanation, I can't go round preaching, telling people that I am definitely, no doubts whatsoever, worshipping the right God.. because really, we won't know until we die, no matter what we believe.. The most important thing I think anyone can acknowledge is that although they do truly believe in this thing- they could be wrong, despite all the healing (both physical and emotional- and I've witnessed both), and the feeling you get when worshipping. To understand that you could be wrong and still believe is a true sign of faith, in my opinion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo Tremaine Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 I know lots of people into Wicca. I think it's okay- people are allowed to believe what the want to believe. In reality, I think it may be growing in popularity due to changes in society. Basically (and sorry if I offend anyone), from what I've seen here, people don't really believe in it and just use it as an excuse to dress in black and be depressed. Kind of a fashion that follows teenage Gothism. With witchcraft- I'm not sure about that. Most of the Wiccans I know go into witchcraft too, and to use it for destructive or material purposes is wrong. YYH- I don't think she'd have been able to 'magic' herself $50. It doesn't work like that. You can cast spells on people (supposedly), but that sounds a little false to me. It's when I hear 'I'm going to cast a spell on her to get revenge' style conversations that I wonder whether it's really a good thing. Using whatever power they have shouldn't be used for revenge. If anything, Christian-Wiccans should know and respect this. Most round here don't. I think they find the power more enlightening than the beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 Just noticed this... [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i] [B]Do I honestly believe it? Yes I do. Not one person can truly be completely Christian from all the rules set in this religion. (I am not trying to critisize Christianity so please don't take it that way) For to be a true Christian you must be truly like Jesus, and has been proven to be impossible for we are human and we sin.[/B][/QUOTE] "To be a true Christian you must be truly like Jesus" Is a load of crap that people who don't really understand the gospel- but still preach it- say. There's a biblical name for Christians who think that "To be a true Christian you must be truly like Jesus"- they're called [i]false brothers[/i] (I think a false prophet is something different entirely). The order of salvation is like this: 1- You are saved by Jesus 2- You are accepted by God 3- Jesus/God changes you to be more like him Whereas the false brothers CLAIM that the order of salvation is this: 1- You are saved by Jesus 2- You must change to be more like God 3- After the change you are accepted And that is the fundamental difference between Christianity and religion- You don't NEED to do anything to be accepted, but you may find that you want to anyway, AFTER being accepted.. [i]anyone[/i] who claims otherwise is wrong about the Christian faith, whether they're a minister or an ordinary believer. btw, if you want proof of that, it's covered in the book of Galatians somewhere (sorry I can't be more specific- but it's only a short book in the Bible) [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i] [B]Also I wonder what does your scripture describe "Witchcraft" as? I have found that the scriptures have been editing, mainly during the Dark and Renassons. [/B][/QUOTE] Most modern translations are translated directly from the ancient hebrew/greek or whatever it was first written in- [b]not[/b] from an earlier translation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 For once i joke i get.....TN anyway no big deal if she believes that it will work why not let her? It won't do any harm, i do beleive in that stuff for the record but i wouldn't condone this act at all. Irrepairable damage could be done to the time stream and that is why such spells are forbidden. A Warlock is a male witch, though it is also used as a way to say oath breaker. A Warlock is usually considered bad anyway which is why there is a wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Webb Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 [b]#1[/b] What I don't understand is why some Christians don't agree with other religions. Buddhism, for example, has certain sects that believe in Jesus. (I think) Some Buddhists believe that Jesus was a buddha (a, not "the"). He was at peace with himself and his surroundings, he was very enlightened. Someone said that Wicca promotes God. So what's the big deal here? If a Wiccan believes in God, promotes God, and doesn't try to harm anyone, then why is Wicca so wrong? So what some of you are saying is that even if you believe in the same God and lead a good life, it's completely invalid if you're doing it a different way. By this logic, a Catholic, a Baptist, and a Lutheran can be good friends all of their lives, but only one is getting into heaven because he was the only "full" Christian. It doesn't make sense. I don't accept that. That's just not one of my beliefs. [b]#2[/b] I have nothing against Wiccans. Frankly, I used to be a little scared of them, but now I realize it's the Warlocks I don't like (although I'd never want to get on their bad sides). I knew there were good Wiccans out there, but this thread cleared a few things up for me. (A religion without Satan? I'd probably join in if I wasn't already saved and scared of using real magic/magick. I'll stick with my "pick a card" trick all the same) [b]#3[/b] Yeah, go ahead and build a time machine. It probably won't work, but if it does, remember these words... "If you ever find yourself hurled back in time, don't touch anything! The slightest change can alter the future in ways you can't even imagine." also... "Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads." -My favorite quote from "Back to the Future." :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raquel Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 I was a Wiccan for a few years before I figured that it was just too tempting to use my so-called "powers" for revenge... O.o And Piro is correct about them not drinking blood... That would fall under vampires... I think that the time spell idea is a bad one... Even if she could pull it off, messing with the path that fate or whatever choose would be a BAD idea... I sympathize for her about her family member... But yeah... Time travel is incredibly stupid (at least from my point of view...) As for if she's dreaming or just plain crazy... I opt for neither... I am a firm believer in the mind over matter issue, and that if someone believed enough and had enough will power it could very well become a reality... And most modern witches believe in the rule of three, which is as follows: Ever mind the rule of three Three times what thou gives returns to thee This lesson well thou must learn Thee only gets what thou dost earn! Well... That's my view on the original issue... *shakes head* Jokes at your own expense again TN? ~Siren~* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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