Ultraman Tiga

[Manic Webb]

I'm kinda happy that Fox brought back a new Ultraman series from Japan, but... the dubbing...? I've watched the show a couple of times and I swear the company that dubbed that show makes the dialogue stupid and corny on purpose. I don't even laugh at the jokes. I laugh at the pure craziness of it all. Some of the voices are so badly matched and given stupid lines, I can't help but watch.

It's sorta like going to nascar just to see a crash. That's not what you're supposed to be there for, but it's just as entertaining.

[Guest Imsirion]

I watch Ultraman every Saturday morning and I like it. The dubbing is bad but I watch anyways. Is it true that Power Rangers is a loosely-based rip-off of Ultraman?

[Manic Webb]

Nah. Power Rangers is based off of about 20 different shows that just look alike. Everytime the Power Rangers change costumes/titles, they got those costumes and zords from a completely different Japanese show, bring it to America, and call it "Power Rangers Blah Blah." Same can be said for Masked Rider, Beetle Borgs, and VR Troopers.

[Nerdsy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Endymion [/i]
[B]Nah. Power Rangers is based off of about 20 different shows that just look alike. Everytime the Power Rangers change costumes/titles, they got those costumes and zords from a completely different Japanese show, bring it to America, and call it "Power Rangers Blah Blah." [/B][/QUOTE]



[COLOR=deeppink]No they don't. They get all their costumes from a Japanese show called "Sentai". That might not be the full name, I'm not quite sure.


I like Ultraman just because it reminds me so much of Godzilla.[/COLOR]

[Darkmoon]

I find Ultramon Tiga more silly than funny to be honest (I personally don't like it much). I'm only seen it twice and so far I haven't found anything that really capture's my attention enough to keep me watching.

[Omar Harris]

Sentai is a genre of Japanese shows which usually includes human characters who can turn into spandex-clad, helmeted superheroes who fight to save the world from alien monsters. Ultraman was a pioneer of the sentai revolution as it has become now.

Power Rangers actually takes costumes, weapons, zords and villains from the sentai series and creates an American series out of it, with an American cast and all-new storylines. I think the first season of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers used the footage from the Japanese shows in for all the fight scenes. Later, the sentai footage was used for the Zord fights only, I think, but I'm not entirely sure.

[Guest Morph]

Heh... I noticed that they bought it back and I was like.."Ok Cool!" I watched it and it wasn't so cool. The voices are horrible nad the synchronization for the voices and mouth. The story is quite stupifying for me....

[Devidramon]

You can usually tell sentai footage from US footage because the filming quality's not as good and the Green Ranger's chestplate looks a lot more metallic.

It's called Super Sentai, and, much as PR does now, it's always followed the one-season mini-universe format. MMPR S1= Zyuranger, MMPR S2=Dairanger (but they only used the zord battle footage, because the Dairangers were different people in different costumes, as it's always been. Almost all Ranger footage in S2 and S3 is from the US. Except for the White Ranger, whose costume is a Dairanger costume.) S3=Kakuranger, (same zord-battle-only rule with sentai footage, except for the Aquitians arc. The Aquitian costumes are the Kakuranger costumes and their fights are mostly sentai footage.) Zeo=Ohranger, Turbo=Carranger, Space=Megaranger, Lost Galaxy=Gingaman, Lightspeed=GoGoV (despite the lack of the word 'Ranger' in Gingaman and GoGoV, they are part of the Ranger line.) Time Force=Timeranger, Wild Force=Gaoranger (which sentai fans hate as much as most PR fans hate Wild Force. It's times like this that I miss PR doing its own storyline and Super Sentai's just a source of battle footage. It's long past time for the folks that brought us MMPR S3 and PRiS to take the wheel again. But we all know it will never happen.) And last but not least is Ninja Storm, aka Hurricanger.

But in Japan, teen-morphs-into-spandex-wearing-martial-artist shows are a genre like any other, and no one is a ripoff of the other. Just like we don't say Law and Order is a ripoff of LA Law, Hill Street Blues, In The Heat Of The Night, et al, it's just another cop/courtroom show, or Friends isn't a ripoff of Seinfeld, it's just another sitcom.

You know what Ultraman reminds me of? Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad (aka Gridman.) The costume's very similar, and it's got the one-gets-really-big,-others-get-attack-vehicles thing going. Both are by Tsubaraya, so I think Tsubaraya does Ultraman-type sentai and TOEI does Power Rangers-type sentai.

Also, Tsubaraya's names are simpler than TOEI's. Tsubaraya gives us Ultraman, Gridman, etc. TOEI, however... it's Kamen Rider Black RX (aka Masked Rider to us) and Zyuranger's full name is Kyouryuu Sentai Zyuranger (Dinosaur Task Force [whatever-zyu-means] Rangers) and the Psycho Rangers from PRiS (or rather, Denji Sentai Megaranger (Electromagnetic Task Force Mega Rangers) to Japan) were called the Jaden Sentai Nejiranger (Evil Electric Task Force Twisted Rangers.) How much you wanna bet the people behind Ultraman and Gridman would have just called the Psycho Rangers "Twistedman?" (Pretty much all things villain-related in Megaranger had the word 'neji' in the name somewhere. Including the monsters, which were just "Neji" and whatever the monster's based on (kinda like Wild Force does with the word Org for the monsters, only at the beginning instead of end.) Nejiru (or something like that) means twisted.)

As for bad dubbing in Ultraman, pretty much all dubs 'have some fun' with the dialogue. It's to be expected. The second season of Digimon was especially bad about it. Not one line got away without dumb jokes thrown into it. But that was all that kept the second season from being as boring as heck. Digimon's second season was so bad Pokemon looks like a masterpiece by comparison. Still, when Azulongmon, who's like a god to the Digimon, says things like "And so the Crest of Kindess was reformatted into the Digimental of Miracles. It was a tough job, so we hired a general contractor." virtually every other sentence, it can totally ruin the feel of a scene that's actually good and meant to be serious. But I don't think Ultraman's that bad about it. But, I haven't watched Ultraman that much.

[Shy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Devidramon [/i]
[B]You know what Ultraman reminds me of? Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad (aka Gridman.)[/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1]Yes, I used to watch that show! In addition to syndication, SHSSS was on the USA cable network for about a year. Personally I thought that the show was much funnier than Power Rangers (or maybe I am thinking of VR Troopers. "We are, V-R....")

But back on the topic of Ultraman, Fox no longer tries to dub anything correctly. It is a shame too, because certain shows like [i]by Right Back At Ya'[/i] would be entertaining and popular if they were dubbed properly. I would rather see a well-written and boring Ultraman than the poorly dubbed and stupid version we have here.

-Shy[/size]

[Omar Harris]

off topic a bit:I used to love Superhuman Samurai Cyber Squad. The machines were cool and Servo has a strong resemblance to Ultraman. You know he was played by Matthew Laurence, before he became over exposed on the Disney channel like his big brother, Joey

[Devidramon]

Who does the dub of Ultraman? Which company?

I loved SHSSS, though it only had maybe four different sets (school hallway, school cafeteria, Sam's basement/room, Malcolm's computer alcove thingy.) It was fun, and Kilokhan was a great bad guy.

[Manic Webb]

"Pump up the power!"
"Let's kick some giga butt!"
"Surf's Up!"

Now that I think about it, Super Human Samurai was one damn cheesy show. I still liked it, though. :)

Anyway, I am a little curious as to what the dialogue is really like on Ultraman. I actually think it's the most off-dubbed show on FOX. I'm actually surprised they were allowed to alter the dialogue like that. I mean, giving stupid dialogue to anime characters is one thing, but to mock a real-life actor...? That's a bit much.

[Shy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Devidramon [/i]
[B]Who does the dub of Ultraman? Which company?[/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1]I think that 4Kids Entertainment (dubbers of Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh) dub the entire Fox Block.

-Shy[/size]

[Devidramon]

Ah.

I'm watching it right now, and I haven't heard one jokey line, one line that didn't fit. The stupid and corny dialogue, mockery of the actors... ain't there. I think it's more of a case of purist overreacting: it's either [i]exactly[/i] the same word for word or the dubbers must be drawn and quartered. I know in the Digimon fandom, when Takato's name was pronounced ta-kah-to (in Japan it's more like tokka-toe) people acted like the dubbers had shot the president. Every board I was on was covered up with such complaining and moaning that I couldn't believe it. The same goes for when Culumon was called Calumon. The purists were ready to go to war. If you use the name Kerpymon instead of the original name Cherubimon, the next two pages of the thread will be of purists flaming you. Come on, people, the dubbers shouldn't change things, but it's not the end of the world if they do.

Now, there is exactly one groanable thing about this episode: The woman with the blue streak in her hair (is she hot or what?) is rambling and they're saying it's like no language on Earth, but she's just speaking Japanese. Of course, you've got to remember what age group it's targeted at. Does your average American 8- to 12-year-old know Japanese when he or she hears it? If not for having watched the Japanese version of Runaway Digimon Express (the only version there is right now because they won't get off their butts and dub it and the other movies. Of the seven movies, we've got two and a half.) And what the woman was saying was probably random words that didn't make sense to them in the Japanese version, because they didn't act like the understood and she's got to do hand signals with everyone but Daigo. So that was actually a pretty clever way to do it.

[Manic Webb]

No, I just think the dialogue can be stupid at times. I've never even seen Ultraman in Japanese and I can't read lips in Japanese. In one episode, I specifically heard someone mock how one of the characters looks. If they originally made fun of their looks in the Japanese version, that's fine. If the dialogue was added in on FOX's version just for the fun of it, that's wrong.

I'm not a purist. I can't stand those people at times. It's always petty stuff like "they mixed up the L and the R in someone's name" or "they pronounced Sakura wrong" or "I don't expect the original Japanese voice actor to learn English, but they ought to find someone who sounds exactly like them for that character who only appears in 3 episodes."

[Mr. Maul]

I watched it today.
It looks just like one of those power rangers-vr troopers-super human samurai cyber squad-deals.
Not very good dubbing, either.

[sydney]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mr. Maul [/i]
[B]I watched it today.
It looks just like one of those power rangers-vr troopers-super human samurai cyber squad-deals.
Not very good dubbing, either. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ah, yes. I remember those shows...I remember hating them so much.
Personaly I think the "fox box" is horrible. To save it they just need to show a lot of the spiderman cartoons and start making some cartoons that arnt stupid and lame.

I also wonder how much money they are loosing because of thier new line up..

[Mr Roboto]

speaking of FOX BOX Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is coming on the 25th. Also Ultraman Tiga is pretty cool. I didnt think much people would like it but hey. I also dislike the stupid jokes that 4kids adds in. They're so lame.

[stratigyless]

I hate Ultraman Tiga just lookiing at the comercials made it look pretty bad I watched 5 minutes of it and it was so boring that I actually fell asleep

[Omar Harris]

It's strange how here in America, most people hate the show and other shows like Power Rangers and Beetleborgs, but in Japan, those shows are as big as Spider-Man or Superman, possibly a thousand folds bigger. I don't watch Ultraman much. I find that I somewhat like sentai, the genre of films Ultraman and Power Rangers comd from, but the show could be slightly less cheesy.

[Hayate]

frankly fox is lacking they had a great lineup like three or four years ago but i think the.ve decided to cater to younger kids to sell the toys so that is how you get shows like ultra man and quite frankly power rangers should just die it's only getting worse and worse

[Manic Webb]

FOX made a big mistake when they created the Fox Box. They cancelled their weekday afternoon kids programming, sold all of their old programs (it took me forever to figure out where the new Digimon is airing, and don't even get me started on all the stuff they sold to ABC), and bought a bunch of new crap and renamed "FoxKids" to "Fox Box." FOX was at their prime during the late 1990's.

Ultraman Tiga is the only thing I watch on Fox Box. It's the least inane thing they have.