Guest Dragon Champion Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Who listens to them? If so, which songs are your favorites and how do you feel about the death of Kurt Cobain. I plan on getting the "new" album, it looks pretty good. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treton_noir Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 yeah... i started a thread a little earlier about this but you should absolutely get the new album. read the other thread i guess. rock on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valen Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Well, Nirvana has a few good songs out, and the death of the member was inevitable... But I am also looking to get their new album... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I don't think Kurt Cobain committed suicide, they say he was so drugged up at the time such a action would hard. Besides, i hear the gun was at a funny angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 more importantly there is a supposed box set that should be out by christmass and it really doest matter to me if he commited suicide or not, either way he is dead. And dead is dead no matter how you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 The suicide stuff is rather irrelevant at this point. It's too late to do anything about it. Since you meitioned it, it is a fact that Cobain had way (like at least dozens of times) over the lethal dose of heroin in his body -- he wouldn't have been able to do anything after shooting up, and if you know people that do that stuff, there is no way in hell he would have put it all away that neatly after doing it either. Anyway, I like Nirvana. One of the few "grunge" labeled bands that I actually could get into. I liked the fact that the lyrics were simple for the most part, but Cobain carried enough emotion that it all worked. The rest of the band was great as well. Even so, I don't think Nirvana and Cobain were the best thing since god like so many people make it seem. Any band that covers Bowie (The Man Who Sold the World) and says good things about the Pixies is good in my book no matter what though :). I have no plans to buy that Grestest Hits CD. I'm not into the "new" song, and I already have everything else on that disc. Unplugged is something you should buy without thinking though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMU Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 yeah, i reckon i will be getting he new one soon, I've heard some good reports about it from frriends of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 I used to like them, then they got out of hand, and I don't like them anymore. There old CD was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treton_noir Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 i would really like to read your explaination of how you think Nirvana was "out of hand." also, if you could specify which "old" album you were referring to, that would further the discussion greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Chicken Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 this is whats really pissing me off. All these people are going on about Nirvana like they're something so great and fantastic. They were ok, despite some people thinking they were the most influential band to grace Gob's green earth. Sorry, but the Beatles were playing simple riffs and screaming to them a good while before Nirvana. Unplugged and Nevermind is their best stuff, but any fan of Nirvana would know that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 I think whether Nirvana was great or not was a matter of opinion, depending upon the listener. Meaning, Jesus Chicken, that YOUR opinion isn't relevant to anyone else's, so it's stupid to state it as though it were fact. Anyway, I think Nirvana had their awesome songs. My favorites being [i]Smells Like Teen Spirit[/i], [i]All Apologies[/i], [i]Come As You Are[/i] and [i]Polly[/i]. The rest of tehir stuff was mediocre to good. As for Kurt's death: I used to have doubt as to whether he killed himself or not; but the more I read up on him, the more convinced I am that he did. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Chicken Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 Of course, no one's opinion is relevant to anyone else's that goes without saying doesnt it? People are free to believe what ever they choose. I'm just saying don't believe that Nirvana were something brand new and totally unthought of. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treton_noir Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 no. they werent new and fresh and flashy. nirvana emerged in a time filled with the likes of judas priest, van halen, quiet riot, poison, and motley crue, etc. most of these "bands" were nothing more than corporate acts and polluted the nature of music. nirvana came with a totally stripped down style and showed how unnecessary all the big hair, makeup, etc. were to making real music. they weren't something new. they brought back the old sound, a guitar, a bass, drums, and emotions and feelings. this is their siginificance in music history. this is why they're praised so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]Just a point of interest. Their 'new' album isn't anything special compared to a lot of their earlier ones.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaca_diablo Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 Thats because its just songs from previous records. (except "you know you're right") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 Yeah, I was going to go get it; but then I found out it was only a compilation. Though, I think someone is planning to give it to me for Christmas, anyway. :shrug: -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Musahi Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i] [B]Yeah, I was going to go get it; but then I found out it was only a compilation. Though, I think someone is planning to give it to me for Christmas, anyway. :shrug: -Justin [/B][/QUOTE] [size=1]Well, what did you think it would be. Nirvana isn't going to pull a Tupac and have a million previously unreleased songs. :therock: I am getting it for Christmas as well, I already found all my presents. ^_^;; I can't wait either. I am pretty exited about the CD, it'll be my first Nirvana CD. I have loved them years but nobody has thought to get me a CD untill now. :bluesweat[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]It's not even a best of collection. It's just a few of their songs stuck together though. There was no real reason for it, except that they probably didn't want to release You Know You're Right as a single.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Chicken Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Yeah, Ive noticed that since the Cd and single have been released, there are a whole lot more people getting into their stuff, oh well I guess it's achieved it's goal. Yeah, I said it before, but I think that Nevermid would probably be their best. No, I don't mind most of the songs off of the "newie" but hey, most people have heard all of it anyway. It's just a way to introduce Nirvana to the new generation that missed out, or didn't hear about them before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Posted December 20, 2002 Share Posted December 20, 2002 The new album is nothing special. You should go and buy these albums, if you like what you've heard - Nevermind, Unplugged and In Utero. They are there best albums. Bleach and Incesticide are also good, but they don't feature the best stuff. On the issue of the suicide - Kurt tried an overdose in his apartment. He was discovered by Courtney Love (his girlfriend) and was rescued. He hated himself, and he wanted to die. He wrote a suicide note, before he shot himself. [Quote]To Boddah pronounced Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complainee. This note should be pretty easy to understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years. Since my first introduction to the, shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the exitement of listening to as well as creating music along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guilty beyond words about these things. For example when we're backstage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowd begins it doesn't affect the way in which it did for Freddy Mercury who seemed to love and relish in the love and adoration from the crowd. Which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact is I can't fool you. Any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100 % fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch in time clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it, and I do. God, believe me I do but it's not enough. I appreciate the fact that I and we have affected and entertained a lot of people. I must be one of one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasm I once had as a child. On our last three tours I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much. So much that it makes me feel too ****ing sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, pisces Jesus man! Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know. I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what I used to be. Full of love and joy kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point to where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable self-destructive, death rocker that I've become. I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along, and have empathy. Empathy! Only because I love and feel for people too much I guess. Thank you all from the pit of my burning nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore and so remember, its better to burn out than to fade away. peace, love, empathy. Kurt Cobain Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your alter. Please keep going Courtney For Frances For her life which will be so much happier without me. I Love you. I love you![/quote] Sorry for any curse words in there :( Frances is Kurt's Daughter. Kurt was a dying man anyway, he was a heroin addict, whose days were numbered anyway, by the amount he needed to get him somewhere. In his opinion, and in mine also, 'its better to burn out than to fade away'. This all leaves me with ONE final question... If Kurt hadn't commited suicide, would Nirvana still be popular in this day and age of pop rock and nu metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMU Posted December 22, 2002 Share Posted December 22, 2002 About the way that Cobain killed himself... He was doped up on heroin way over the lethal dosage right? from my sources they say that's true. Heroin is also a very fast reacting drug, it would have taken about 10-20 secs for it to start to kick in. Meaning (in the mins of most ppl) that he would have been too far gone to have killed himself. Right? Well if you actually study the effects of hard drugs (like heroin and morphine to name a couple) you'll find that if a person is really sick, they can withstand much higher levels than a person that is healthy and just happened to take it. Basically, what I'm saying, is that Kurt was under a lot of stress and emotional pain at the time. He was sick. Mentally, this means that he would have been able to withstand a higher dosage. Also, he had been regularly taking it, so his body had become more accustomed to the heroin, so in all probability, some doctors said he was over the lethal dosage for a normal person that had never taken that kind of drug before. And they compared the two levels to provoke controversy over the nature of his death. I'm not entirely sure that that is correct though. It is my opinion that he did kill himself however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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