sound familiar?

[Guest Matt]

[color=red][b] Lyrics from Anti-Flag: Anatomy of Your Enemy:

[i]10 easy steps to create an enemy and start a war:
Listen closely because we will all see this weapon used in our lives. It can be used on a society of the most ignorant to the most highly educated.
We need to see their tactics as a weapon against humanity and not as truth.

First step: create the enemy. Sometimes this will be done for you.

Second step: be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you.
Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits
fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job, they are heartless murderers who enjoy killing!

Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them
with all disseminated information.

Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information
this can be done through state run media. Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information. Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.

Fifth step: show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different. Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine.

Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party. Create an "Us versus Them" mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between. One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor.

Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions. This can be achieved by slogans such as "freedom loving people versus those who hate freedom." This can also be achieved by the use of flags.

Eighth step: Align all actions with the dominant deity. It is very effective to use terms like, "It is god's will" or "god bless our nation."

Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers
have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones. Make it cleat that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill.

Tenth step: Create and atmosphere of fear, and instability and then offer the ruling party as the only solutions to comfort the public's fears.
Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear.[/i]

Sound a little like the US is doing? We have been doing this since the 60's with the communists. Comments?[/b][/color]

[Genkai]

Yrep. Sounds familiar. Wow, who wrote this? Gov't Mustve known about this for a bit, eh? LOL.

[Phantom]

[quote]Sound a little like the US is doing?[/quote]I love the US...They always give me somthing to laugh about. No really, Americans are crazy....crazy funny.

Yes it sounds damned clearly what the United States of Americans are doing... :)

[quote]Comments?[/quote]Yea, just one.
Why am I not surprised? :)

[Juu]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Matt [/i]
[B][color=red]First step: create the enemy.[/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Pfft. We've done that alright...[/color] [/size]

[quote] [b] [color=red]Second step: be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you.
Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits
fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job, they are heartless murderers who enjoy killing![/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]mmhmm...[/color] [/size]

[color=red] [b] [quote]Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information
this can be done through state run media. Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information. Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.[/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Definately not a good way to make profit...[/color] [/size]

[quote] [color=red] [b]Fifth step: show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different. Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine.[/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]And most of the time, the things they brodcast are totally biased.[/color] [/size]

[quote] [color=red] [b]Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party. Create an "Us versus Them" mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between. One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor.[/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Hmm... Alot of us are traitors...[/color] [/size]

[color=red] [b] [quote]Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions. This can be achieved by slogans such as "freedom loving people versus those who hate freedom." This can also be achieved by the use of flags.[/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]It depends on the peoples opinion. Just because a large amount of people believe it, doesn't mean it's true.[/color] [/size]

[quote] [color=red] [b]Eighth step: Align all actions with the dominant deity. It is very effective to use terms like, "It is god's will" or "god bless our nation."[/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Heh...[/color] [/size]

[color=red] [b] [quote]Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers
have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones. Make it cleat that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill.[/color] [/b] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]And the 'enemy's' soldiers do?[/color] [/size]

[color=red] [b] [quote]Tenth step: Create and atmosphere of fear, and instability and then offer the ruling party as the only solutions to comfort the public's fears.
Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear.[/b] [/color] [/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Atmosphere of fear... That's a great way to content a country... As I said before, I don't like alot of our president's judgements. He's been pointing alot of fingers, sometimes without giving us enough information to convince some of us. He may be right, then again, he may be wrong. But for the moment, it's not up to us, is it? The U.S. doesn't need to go to war. There's enough problems we have to deal with for the time being.[/color] [/size]

[Genkai]

*nods* wow juu. patient enough to quote it all.

Yah, defimnetely the race, differences thang.. that's a big step if you want a war.

Mystic's Knight, i'm not canadian.. But its possible that I find it as funny as you.

Whee, I'm a traitor!

[Corey]

America Blows... I want to move to Europe...

[Yu Yu Hakusho!]

I know I've heard that somewhere before...
PS: America Sux.
Now if I were president, I would be the first female president and I would make the country the way everyone wants it to be! (or just my way....)
Talking about female presidents....
I sure hope that Hiliary Clinton NEVER becomes president. I sware, I WILL move out of the country. Go move to Japan or Brazil or something.....

[wrist cutter]

I think America's aaaaaaall right.

[Domon]

Okay first off i agree we are blowing the going to war with Iraq thing way out of control but that's why we have the UN to keep us from attacking right now. And second i think that Saddam Hussein is a killing maniacal person, does anyone remember Desert Storm?? Saddam was killing hundreds of people then and oppressing them. And now he is still doing that, so if you think that we should continue to allow him to do this then that's fine but personally i think we should free the people under his control and if you think i sound like i'm supporting our goverment then you're right i am. But right now i consider what we are doing is perfectly fine if you have been paying attention to the news lately we haven't declared war or anything like that, there are UN weapon inspectors in Iraq investigating every nook and cranny in that country and if they do find something then the it will be removed. That's just my two cents worth. This is how i feel right now at the moment. I mean yes our president may seem idiotic but you know what? He made a vow right after those towers fell and thousands of people died in one fell swoop that he would make the people who did this pay and he would put an end to terrorism. There that is all i have to say right now, oh also i think that some of those things you mentioned Matt were just a little off base, like us making false accusations? Honestly, if you did the reasearch you would find out that Iraq is ruled by a homicidal maniac who gets his fun out of treating the women like crap and letting the men in his country beat them and he lets half of the population live in poverty, not only that he is hostile especially when it comes to dealing witht the UN. I'm sorry but right now if i write anything else i'm going to lose my temper.

[Phantom]

Brasil is good...If your a male anywhoo...

Hey love NORTH AMERICA (USA, CANADA, MEX MEX) ... NORTH AMERICANS (Canadians, United States of Americans, Mex Mexicans) All are great...we are all funny and all crazy...

But I think wristy was reffering to USA alone... :) ...oh well.

The whole broadcasting thing in ludacrous, they always show one sided arguments anyway... heh war is just a great way to augment the craziness...

ANDDDDDDDDDD

DOMON....

Who's right and who's wrong in this case sorta doesnt mean anything...

Of course sadam is a prick and should be shot and all the stuff go bang bangkaboom... :) BUT

Who said that USA has the right to do what it wants...who said that USA can do all this bang bang kaboom? :)

What your saying is that USA is starting a war to free the people of Iraq....well In all honesty, in that case, its a civil matter and USA should keep its fattass nose out of it..and if thats the case than obviously they are there only for the oil and money involved.

Now we know that "america" would not find it RIGHT if some other strong country invaded (even if they were 'right') AMERICA because we had some badass shizznit goin on here? Right?

Anyway the case isnt merely liberation of the Iraqi females...It's the highly feasable threat of bio/chemical terrorism/war that Iraq may/may not possess... In the end.. of this great debatative thread....

there was only 2 things Matt asked...

1. Does it sound like Us? (yes/no)
2. Comment (blah.)

Now telling him he is off on his persumtions is not what he was asking..but hey.. its pretty fun!!! :)

[Kent]

I find this interesting because if you ask me, this is not what the u.s.a does.

case and point: jane fonda on v.c. AA. that would be the other parties propaganda.

Create an enemy you say: do you really need to create one when an enemy flies into you.

Show the other group as inhuman: ? did you know that the japannesse were told that U.S. marines ate babies?

I wanna clear it up though, the U.S. has done stuff like this. But its not nearly as bad as you would like me to think.

Fact is, both sides are always human (i hope) and both sides are always gonna fight the wars to the best of their abilities.

Its also important to remember that containment on something like communism didnt work, look at the cuban missile crisis and tell me that taking a non-agressive stance against those commi bastards would have been a better idea.

Actually it may have been, if that had happend we would still be fighting the soviets, and the middle eastern countries would be hating them instead of us. How can you not hate an invading force such as the one we bailed the afghans out of.

bottom line: I feel like the above comments are just as propaganda-ish as anything the u.s.a. could come up with.

But still a far cry from the v.c. possing with jane fonda. (*goes and burns a pic of jane fonda as he dances dressed only in an American flag painted in red white and blue body paint*)

[Manic Webb]

Can someone help me out real quick?
What is the connection between the collapse of the World Trade Center and the pending war against Iraq? What the hell happened to those independant terrorist groups we were targetting about 5 minutes ago? (note: I'm trying to make a point with those questions. I want someone to explain it to me)

With all of the propaganda flying around on the news and in this very thread, I'm not exactly sure [i]why[/i] we're going to war with Iraq. Is it to free the Iraqi people from oppression? Is it because he's secrely hiding "weapons of mass destruction" (as everyone likes to phrase it)? Is it both? If it is both, how come I've never heard both reasons said at the same time?

[Kent]

Well actually I wasnt reffering to Iraq, Iraq is another subject in my book.

I was reffering to the other stuff going on.

sorry for the confusion.

But just in case, I should mention that long before anything about Iraq came up, there was a report out of the cheq republic about an Iraqi intelligence officer meeting with mahammed atta in progue.

That would support Iraqi involvement in 9/11, also its not like the idea of your enemies enemy being your friend is a new one. Although I must admit that if I was saddam or usama, I would be able to put aside my personal hate for the other so I could hit the enemy in strength.

I must admit, I dont think they are related (saddam and usama) But Im just putting up theories.

I gotta say though, I was talking about the terrorist groups, not saddam, although anyone that tries to act like saddam isnt straight up evil is someone who hasnt seen the actual video footage of iraqi kurd mothers holding their babies, both curled up and dead from nerve gas attacks. (god I wish I could show the ignorant)

[Ravenstorture]

[color=darkgreen][font=gothic]Here's a question - why America? I know it's a little out of my American Hating Nature, but not all american people do this, or are like that, so why does America do this?
Probably a good time to mention that only something like 34% of the country actually voted for George.[/color][/font]

[The Harlequin]

[font=gothic][color=crimson]Now, this is going to offend some people, and if you are one of those people, at least be comforted by the knowledge I haven't started going out of my way to offend you yet. I'm a nihilist, and an eremophile. So really, I don't care either way. The government can do what it likes, as long as it leaves me alone. America can attack Iraq for all I care, they can attack Australia for all I care. Doesn't bother me one way or another. Men created monsters over the millenia, and were afraid of the dark, because if they didn't creature beings to be evil and monsterous for them, they'd have to accept that they personified evil as well as good. Most people use their phantoms to do this. There are people however, who go the other way, and accept the darkness within them. These are the people who like to invade other countries, and discriminate against minorities, and manipulate the masses to their own ends. These are people who can be anything from Hitler, to Bush. Or myself really. I'm just too introverted to direct anything feelings I have outwards.

49th time...[/font][/color]

[Phantom]

I like Kent...he is a friggen comic!! :)

I dont think that Matt DENIED anything that other countries did.. us marines eating babies? lol I BET A FEW OF EM DID!!! :)

but the whole bs bout usa and all that.. welll yea no matter how u deny it Kent... usa is pretty bad for it :) but in the end ...who cares? We are all utterly hopeless .. :)

um...why usa? ....heres a responsfull question... "Who else?" :)
Just like that marine eating baby story...

OBVIOUSLY not EVERY commander of the Japanese armed forces was telling their troops that John Doe ate their niece last week....:)

America is just (sorry to the majority of the boards :), I am not centering out any of you in particular, just the way the nation acts as a whole [mostly the administration of the country's fault]) either to damned stupid to think of a better outlook on war, or too damned lazy to give a hell :).

EDIT: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay tooo many smilies!

[Manic Webb]

I have two things I want to say about the US going to war against Iraq and I'm going to leave it at that. I might explain further if someone wants to go on about it. I'm not bringing up any of my other opinions on the situation. I have two vague statements that only scratch the surface of what's on my mind and that is [i]all[/i] I'm talking about in this thread, because every last one of you (and a couple of you, especially) have the uncanny ability to blow whatever anyone says [i]way[/i] out of proportion.

President George W. Bush promised the American people that he would get back at the terrorist groups for the events on September 11, 2001. He seems to have shifted his focus from these independent terrorst groups to Iraq and its iron-fisted leader. The only time I hear about Osama Bin Laden anymore is when he makes a new video tape of himself saying how much he hates America for the 400th time.

Saddam is a bad leader who allows a majority of his people to live in poverty. It's time for him to be kicked out of office in an all-out revolution. Even if it means plowing through all 1,000 of his baret-wearing lookalikes, I think the people of Iraq should make the first big move in an attempt to take the man down and pluck him out of the government and then do whatever else they want to him (I'm 98% sure they'd just kill him). I know they've tried in the past, but now (or soon) is a time to try again.

That's all I have to say. Whatever else you [i]think[/i] I know or don't know is not what's on trial here. I did not say everything I know is going on. I did not say everything else I think about this situation and I [i]will not[/i] say what else I think. I'm an American who forgot to register to vote last month and I have absolutely no say in what the government does. Why should I complain as much as I want to when I know I can't do anything about it?

[Domon]

Endyymion i totally agree with you. But the civilians of Iraq have tried to free themselves except everytime they tried they were executed or something horrible was done to them. thats all i'm going to say for now.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents[/i]
[B]Create an enemy you say: do you really need to create one when an enemy flies into you.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Notice it says "Sometimes this will be done for you."[/color][quote][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin[/i]
[b][color=crimson]So really, I don't care either way. The government can do what it likes, as long as it leaves me alone. America can attack Iraq for all I care, they can attack Australia for all I care. Doesn't bother me one way or another.[/color][/b][/quote][color=indigo]Finally, someone who sees through the same eyes that I do...[/color]

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Matt [/i]
[B][color=red][b]Sound a little like the US is doing? We have been doing this since the 60's with the communists. Comments?[/b][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, but it also sounds alot like how most wars have started. Judging by the limited amount I know about them, it even seems a lot like how the "Holy" Crusades got started, and pretty much any other religious war.

So yeah.. I don't think it's [i]just[/i] America..

[Domon]

Okay here are two wars America were involved in for good reasons. World War 1 and World War 2. America at first stayed out of WW1 stating that we didn't want to become involved in the fighting, but we did sell supplies to Great Britan and the allies. But when the world famous ocean liner Lousintina was sailing from New York to England she was torpedoed by a German U-boat and you know what? There were American passangers on that ship, sure they knew they were taking their chances sailing on a british ship at the time but still that was the proverbeal final straw and that was why america decided to get involved in World war 1 if you don't believe that then please refer to your social studies book located in your social studies class. The reason we were involved in WWII was because well you all know why. Pearl Harbor.

[Dragonstar]

... but, Harlequin, why do put that under your posts. "49th time" What's that all about?

[Mnemolth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin [/i]
[B][font=gothic][color=crimson]Now, this is going to offend some people, and if you are one of those people, at least be comforted by the knowledge I haven't started going out of my way to offend you yet. I'm a nihilist, and an eremophile. So really, I don't care either way. The government can do what it likes, as long as it leaves me alone. America can attack Iraq for all I care, they can attack Australia for all I care. Doesn't bother me one way or another. Men created monsters over the millenia, and were afraid of the dark, because if they didn't creature beings to be evil and monsterous for them, they'd have to accept that they personified evil as well as good. Most people use their phantoms to do this. There are people however, who go the other way, and accept the darkness within them. These are the people who like to invade other countries, and discriminate against minorities, and manipulate the masses to their own ends. These are people who can be anything from Hitler, to Bush. Or myself really. I'm just too introverted to direct anything feelings I have outwards.

49th time...[/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Now, this may offend you, and if you are offended, at least be comforted by the knowledge I haven't started going out of my way to offend you yet. ;)

Your statement is a cop out, and I'll bet you know that. :D

No man is an island, esp. not one who lives [i]in[/i] society and enjoys its comforts and security. Not caring is simply not an option.

[Stitch]

i have one comment. thank god i'm not american!!!
thats all i have to say
stitch