Cheating

[Mitch]

[color=red] Seeing as a new topic hasn't been started for a while here in the Otaku Lounge, I'll take the liberty and unstagnant it.

In our school newspaper a while back there was a poll about the percentage of students who cheat, and some articles pertaining to the exact same. So, seeing as I believe this topic may hold some good and civil discussion, and going along with how stagnant this forum's been these last few days, here goes nothing, for my part.

I'm certain each and everyone of you have cheated at least once in your life. Keeping this as broad as it can go, you might have cheated your parents, cheated your past girlfriends/boyfriends, and so many other things. I'm sure you aren't held to deny that. Now, my main question would be where you draw the line in cheating, and do you think it's necessary, or if it should be totally unneeded. I'll now get into my beliefs about it.

To me, cheating is sometimes necessary to go anywhere in life. When you go to a job, and you try to get your employer, you put yourself out, yes, but you also somewhat cheat yourself to make you look better than all the rest of the people applying for this certain job you may be trying to obtain. Thus, you make yourself superficial, make yourself appear better and much more apt than you might be. There may be exceptions, but I do think most, if not some people, do sometime, cheat to get somewhere in life. It may be in desperation, or it might be just for the fun, or the degradation you can do to others.

Now that kind of cheating I believe is needed sometime in life. How else are you going to get a job with all of the other perfectly able people going to get it? Now, where I draw the line is if it's cheating the law, going under and around it for some cheated preface of it. That's where I think it's most certainly wrong. Because to me, the law is the law. Period.

I'll post more of what I believe, but I'm little on time, and I've only scratched the surface and left it wide open for numerous other thoughts and angles to appear.[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=deeppink][size=1]Cheating, eh?

Hmm let's see. In school, it really pisses me off when people cheat, especially if they want to cheat off of me and I have spent alot of time doing my work and they haven't. Now, I don't mind helping someone out because I'm ALWAYS needing help and I'll let my CLOSE friends who I know are on the same intelligence level as me copy my paper if they are in dire straights, but that's about all I'll tolerate.

On boyfriends/girlfriends, I'm all for sticking to one person. That's just how I am. I like committment, I really do. But I do flirt too much, though. -_-[/color][/size]

[Red]

[b][color=003399]An interesting topic, to say the least.

I think cheating varies in severity on different things. For example, cheating on a boyfriend or girlfriend is completely out of the question in my book. I would never cheat on someone I was going out with, as I think it goes against the whole point of seeing them in the first place.

However, cheating in something like a job application is fine by me, as trying to get a good job is extremely difficult at times, and exaggerating the truth is sometimes required to help a person gain that place.

In school I don't thinking 'cheating' is only bad in exams. Letting someone copy your paper outright is silly and will only prevent that person from coping in a future class (as they may be entered into a higher tier when really they're not capable of it). In class I always help close friends with things they don't understand and vice versa.[/b][/color]

[Bremma]

Ive enevr cheated off of anybody, but onespellign tests in middle schoo, we would check our own papers before turning them back so I would very subtly, fix my answers...

And there was one occasion I did cheat on a BF.. Very odd story, so I'm not going there. Never gonna do it again tho.

[Queen Asuka]

[color=dark red][size=1]OH, this can go both ways, now that someone mentioned checking papers. Man, in middle school I got so pissed one time because someone was checking my paper and changed my answers so that I had them wrong, giving me a 76. After I turned them in and got my paper corrected, I made a 96. I hate low-life unintelligent scum.[/color][/size]

[Guest Chris]

[color=green]well, i've never cheated on anything, but i do copy off my friends math homework sometimes, we have a mutral agreement that we'll help eachother out if someone forgets it or has something really important to do. and i don't like cheating, it's just a easy way to get out of the consaquences(sp) for your actions or sercumstances(sp).[/color]

[Rhys Mayiessen]

[color=navy]I don't think I have ever cheated before and I know I haven't cheated on papers, tests, or on a boyfriend. I think its really wrong to cheat on a boyfriend. I don't think its wrong to say somethings that will get you a better job though...[/color]

[Ryan]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ssj3 [/i]
[B][color=green]well, i've never cheated on anything, but i do copy off my friends math homework sometimes, we have a mutral agreement that we'll help eachother out if someone forgets it or has something really important to do. and i don't like cheating, it's just a easy way to get out of the consaquences(sp) for your actions or sercumstances(sp).[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=blue]

Yes, the same with my friends. For example: About a month ago I got to school and I forgot I had to have finished this paper for Science because we were going to go over it. Well I soon realized that I hadn't done any of it so my friend let me get his paper and copy down the answers. Same thing has happened with my friends and I let them copy over my paper. Not a big deal to me. Yeah, I had to do the work, but when do I know when I might need the same help?[/color]

[Genkai]

Hm..

Ryan's about the same as me. Only on homework.

Once I cheated on a test in 3rd grade cause i forgot what 9x7 was. I got it wrong anyway.

I pretty much draw the line at homework, and even THAt is unnaceptable at college. When I take courses at the college, I'd never cheat. Probably because the college students would beat me up, as they're like, 7 years older than me...

And in life, it's a bit more acceptable, as long as no one is hurt.

[Guest Zeh]

[COLOR=royalblue]Personallly, i have no need to cheat in school. If i'm finished a test, and someone's in need of answers, why not?

In that case, it's them who're cheating. They're telling others (in this case, a teacher) they know something they don't. If they go on to do something, and they actualy have no knowledge of the subject, because they cheated, then it's their fault. I did what they asked, can't blame me. Maybe it'll teach them a lesson.

I see what you're saying about the jobs and stuff, Mitcheh. I don't think it really matters. You're not cheating. You're just being the best you can be. As long as you don't exactly act totally different, and lie about things, then why not? You still are yourself. [/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

Going with what Mitch said, I don't really think working hard to make a good impression your first weeks at work is cheating. Work is generally about survival, you're either better than someone else or you're fired (unless something strange is going on). I figure that if you're making yourself be a great worker, then maybe you just are. I'm not one to smile unless I mean it though, so I know what you mean by superficial things heh.

As for school stuff... Yeah, there have been times where I cheated because I forgot to do something on time or didn't study. Generally, I wind up getting lower grades than I normally would anyway though... So it hardly is a benefit. I haven't done that since early on in High School though. It's not really something that's possible in college, where all my assignments are kind of visual.

I've not cheated on a girlfriend.

[Anna]

I do like this subject.

Well, about the only thing I do in cheatness is copy homework occasionally. Like what Tasis said, if you cheat, you only cheat yourself, you're the one who is getting hurt by it. I've gotten really good about doing my homework 'cause you know, it does help me understand the subject more (hmm,..... there may be a connection there...), but if I've forgotten an assignment and it's in one of my more critical classes, I admit sometimes I'll copy what I can't work out/figure out by myself before we turn it in. Even at that I always feel crummy about it though.

Now, I have a question, and please forgive me, Mitch, for branching out of the topic a bit, but I don't want to start a whole new thread on this minor issue.

My boyfriend and I had a disagreement last night, and he said he wanted "space". By this, it's not a break-up,... buuut, oh heck if I know what he meant by that. Basically I left everything in his area of the ballpark--if he wanted to talk to me, he would call me etc, but I was going to just leave him be, you know? Well, today, this friend of mine(guy) who I had also seen that same night called and asked me to go to the movies with his brother and another friend of mine, who is a girl btw. Anyway so I said yes, first of all because we're friends and second, Daniel wants space, right? Yeah, so everything's fine, good movie, good time. Chris is driving (my guy friend) and I'm in the front seat and we're sharing the armrest, and we eventually end up holding hands. Then when we got back to his house and we were all watching a movie, he had his arm around me and were doing the whole cuddle thing. That's all that happened between me and Chris, but I still feel....... I don't know, dishonest, confused.... because I get home, and my sister tells me Daniel called. .. I'm like, what? Already? So I call him back, and it's like our argument in which I cried all night long over, never happened. He said he wanted to come see me today but I wasn't at home. o_O I am SO, frickin, confused. He said he wanted space....but he wanted to see me in less that 24 hours. We weren't broken up, but I still showed affection to my guy friend (and I don't even know what I'm going to do about all that right now). In a nutshell, have I cheated? I feel like I've cheated everybody but by technicalities I haven't. ::sighs:: Okay, I'll be quiet now. But yeah, if anyone has a helpful opinion please share it, thanks.

[Semjaza]

I had something like that happen to me a year back. I was dating a girl who lived in southern Ohio (which is like 8 and half hours away from here). She did something like what you did with another guy, nothing really serious. It did really bother me though, mostly because I couldn't do one thing from so far away. I actually found out from someone else though, and that's what bothered me. Not so much that she did that, but that she basically planned on lying and acting like it never happened. Even after all that, I wouldn't consider what you did cheating. I suppose you were just upset and not thinking like you usually do.

I've never really used the space argument on a girl personally. Sometimes I feel like a girl might be around me too much (especially when I'm annoyed with something else), but I never say anything about it. Even when I really do want space, it's generally a passing thing. It just sounds like whatever you two were arguing about was something he was mad about, and realized wasn't really a big deal. That's how most of that stuff turns out anyway once people are alone and able to think about it clearly. I don't think I've ever been in a argument with a girl I was going out with for more than a day. It usually gets resolved on someone's end pretty quick.

So yeah, who knows if that helped anything.

[Guest Zeh]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]My boyfriend and I had a disagreement last night, and he said he wanted "space". By this, it's not a break-up,... buuut, oh heck if I know what he meant by that. Basically I left everything in his area of the ballpark--if he wanted to talk to me, he would call me etc, but I was going to just leave him be, you know? Well, today, this friend of mine(guy) who I had also seen that same night called and asked me to go to the movies with his brother and another friend of mine, who is a girl btw. Anyway so I said yes, first of all because we're friends and second, Daniel wants space, right? Yeah, so everything's fine, good movie, good time. Chris is driving (my guy friend) and I'm in the front seat and we're sharing the armrest, and we eventually end up holding hands. Then when we got back to his house and we were all watching a movie, he had his arm around me and were doing the whole thing. That's all that happened between me and Chris, but I still feel....... I don't know, dishonest, confused.... because I get home, and my sister tells me Daniel called. .. I'm like, what? Already? So I call him back, and it's like our argument in which I cried all night long over, never happened. He said he wanted to come see me today but I wasn't at home. o_O I am SO, frickin, confused. He said he wanted space....but he wanted to see me in less that 24 hours. We weren't broken up, but I still showed affection to my guy friend (and I don't even know what I'm going to do about all that right now). In a nutshell, have I cheated? I feel like I've cheated everybody but by technicalities I haven't. ::sighs:: Okay, I'll be quiet now. But yeah, if anyone has a helpful opinion please share it, thanks. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=royalblue]no-worries Anna, lotsa people are like that. Cuddlin' isn't really being dis-honest, or cheating, unless you, yourself, were attempting to "make love" to that guy. o.O

And sometimes, people only need a little time away... a day away is what you b/f needed.... and then he was ready to face you again... i'm not sure, i don't personally know him, so it's hard for me to say.[/COLOR]

[Sara]

[size=1]It drives me nuts when people cheat in school. I've always done really well--sometimes I work myself for hours on something, but usually it is easy. But I do the work myself, and I spend time on it when I don't get it.

In grade school, my class was notorious for cheating. Someone started calling it 'extended help,' and it turned into this giant thing... The best was when not a soul understood the unit in English--crazy gerund stuff--and they all failed the test, every last one of 'em.

Maybe that's a little spiteful of me, but that's who I am.[/size]

[Anna]

Thanks Semjaza, Tasis, that actually helped. Here's a not-so-surprising twist to it all, but Daniel gets jealous easily. I have a lot of friends who are guys. In fact about 70 percent of the friends I have are guys. I'm a drummer and most drummers are guys, so I have a crowd that is predominantly male. I can't help it, and I'm not going to. I'm wondering if I should tell Daniel, or if it's not worth it and not that big a deal to start something I already know would probably upset him. And I agree with you about the argument thing, and how things usually just clear up after a while for the person to think things over. It's just that the way he was talking sounded like he wanted like, a week's-worth of space or something, and that really threw me. We've had agruments before, and they've always been resolved. So when he said he wanted space I was like, '... space? What the heck does he mean by that?' .... oi. But yeah, thanks for the feedback, I like to hear guys' views on things like this b/c they're clear and to the point. ^_^

[Guest Zeh]

[COLOR=royalblue]You should tell him, Anna, just at the right time, or you could set something really big off, that you don't want to.

Sometime, when you two are talking, and he's in an expecially good mood, you should say to him "there's something thats been bothering me..." and then, you could tell him.

Thats only if you want to, though, someone may say something to him, sometime, and he might question you about it, and then you could be in trouble. o_O [/COLOR]

[Anna]

Hmm....... you're right. He and I are too open for me to keep something like that from him. I guess I'm just worried about how I could bring it up in the best light and make it sound as not-bad as possible. ;>_> I'll figure it out though... thanks for all the help!

[James]

[color=#507AAC]Well, it depends what you mean by cheating.

I mean, if you go for a job interview...or you're in school, you might "be on your best behavior" for a short period to do really well and then you'll slip back into your old self. It doesn't mean that your "old self" was bad...it just means that you've temporarily changed your behavior to achieve a certain outcome.

And I'm sure we've all done that at one time or another.

In terms of school, I've certainly had times over the years where I've gotten help from a friend (read: copying notes) for late work or something.

But my best work has been the work that I have done myself. And often times, I've done better than the friend that I was copying from.

Hard work goes a long way. The same is true with websites and such. I see a lot of leeches and stuff out there who are unprepared to put in the hard yards. But their lack of hard work is what leads to failure.

So what's the bottom line? I think hard work and determination will get you [i]anywhere[/i]. Sometimes people use cheating to a small degree...which I guess we all do at some time. But if you cheat frequently, it's true that you're only cheating yourself.[/color]

[Sara]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B][color=#507AAC]But if you cheat frequently, it's true that you're only cheating yourself.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]You really aren't making the other party too thrilled about your actions, either. :toothy:[/SIZE]

[liamc2]

Cheating?

Hmm, an interesting and volatile topic if there ever was one...

Cheating all depends on the moral (or immoral) ground it stands.
Hell, what am I saying? Cheating bites in all cases. The only case it doesn't bite is when your playing Perfect Dark with your best bud and he's got five or six bots chasing you with rocket launchers...helluva lot of fun...but that's off track...

I can't say anything about cheating on girlfriends/wives/boyfriends/husbands from an experienced prespective, but I will say that I do view adultery as wrong, immoral and ignoble.

There aren't any excuses for cheating on your wife/husband. For heaven's sake, you took a vow and were sealed to one another.

Pfft, anyone who views adultery as 'ok' just furthers my point that the world's moral gound is falling to pieces.

[Gavin]

[Color=royalblue]I agree wholly with Sara, cheating of another persons work in a test in completely unacceptable and the same goes for someone cheating off you paper.

I arrive about 45 minutes before the start of school, it's the God damned bus and if I haven't' some work done, my friends would explain it to me and show me how to do whatever I'd be stuck on. I don't think this counts as cheating but there has been times we'd give copies to each other, and there's really no harm, provided it's not done too often[/color]

[Valen]

Well, in English I, we sit in groups of four and have air force names for our tables (he is a commander at the base). So we're just sitting there talking and then he says we have a test in 'X' minutes, so our group just takes out notebooks and starts making some form of an answer key. Heh, funny too... He thinks it's his method of teaching that's getting us straight A's in that class, when before he put us in groups, most of us weren't making higher than a 40...

Although, our teacher did retire over the summer and we went through sub after sub for the first semester, and we all failed that class, because the subs wouldn't turn anything in. So we kinda had to cheat to get ABOVE a 20 when the subs were there...

I don't really see the harm in that, but now cheating on a Girlfriend/Boyfriend... that's a different story. I can't stand people who cheat on their Gf/Bf... I have never cheated on my girlfriend and probably never will.

[Red]

[b][color=003399]About cheating on a girlfriend or boyfriend, what's the point? If you're cheating on someone by going behind their back and seeing someone else, what's the point of your current relationship continuing?

Not that I've ever really been in a serious relationship or anything like that, so my viewpoint may not be based on experience, but people I know really annoy me when they cheat on people they're seeing, as often the other person doesn't have a clue.[/b][/color]

[Yoshi]

cheating is cheating. People who cheat, cheat themselves and the people around them. To condone it is to be morally lazy and cheating is also dangerous because it creates a complacency that otherwise wouldn't exist (if you work your way through something, you know it took effort and that the effort has to be maintained so it doesn't go to waste (knives must be sharpened once they're made)). And not only is that complacency wrong it begets mediocrity by destroying the desire and neccessity of effort.

oh yeah, complacency=dangerous because cheating endangers relationships by undermining respect (or not even forming respect) abusing friendship and also moving you on into subjects that you understand even less because you cheated. And so to go on you gotta cheat (a very difficult spiral to get outta).

Cheating on bf/gf? Like Elite said: What's the point? Unless one wants to hurt his/her "loved one".