Syn Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Should they bring back the death penalty? I for one think they should, a life for a life, seems fair to me. True justice, think of how many children, all those little ****s out there that think its funny, or do it to get a bigger ego, or kill helpless, innocent people to gain respect amongst gang members, think of how many of those kids would think twice before killing someone if they knew it might kill them. I wouldn't mind killing a few people that dont deserve to live, parents aren't as strict as they were so the law has to be. Half the stuff I say to my mother I would get killed for saying to my grandparents. So, what do you think? Death penalty, yes/no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I believe this has been done before. I also think this is subjective to your individual area. In the U.S.A. the death penalty is still in use in many states. I personally believe that capital punishment is a valid form of punishment. Once a person is killed, you cant bring them back. That means that there is no way a person can be served justice if they are murdered. Its also an odd scenerio because everyone wants to talk about the rights of the person on trial, but if you ask me, I think the first concern should be for the rights of the person who was already murdered. (I mean come on... "victims rights") I also believe that as we progress further into this era of dna evidence the rate of wrongly executed prisoners will drop dramatically. So yea... I support the application of the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syn Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 It might be in use in some states, but its not liek an official thing, like traffic lights and so on, it should be worldwide, or at least the larger more progressed countries. And I did check the older posts and I didnt see any topics like this, if I missed it then sorry ^_^;; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 big NO. I think that killing another person for a person that has been killed is senseless. I mean, think of it this way: "an eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind." Mahatma Gandhi. To me, killing is plain wrong no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 If an eye for an eye makes the world go blind... I would rather be blind than have to see the horrors people get away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Warrior Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I just did a big debate on this in Global Studies. I was against bringing it back. Here's one good point brought up: If we can murderer a murderer, can we rape a rapist, or rob a robber? hm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orien_Xel Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 God point. I think we hould abolish the death penalty, nd make the murders it in a cell with dripping water, always dripping... drip...drip...drip....dip...For the rest of their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Dripping water? How about the real water torture no one ever gets to learn about. (go read Ghost soldiers. Its the true story of the baton death march and baton death camp rescue) I woulnt say what the real form of this torture is unless someone ask. Its too disgusting for the open boards. It really is that bad. So go ahead and ask. The reason I came to post again was another thought I had. When ghandi said the above qoute, he was speaking to his people during a time of civil insurection and revolution. He wasnt addressing criminal law. Also, murder a murderer? Go check out christian theology on the subject of "thou shall not kill" and "thou shall not murder." In the past that subject has been debated, and I believe that murder is a contextual thing. Murder to me is the unwarranted killing of another person. Killing, that is ending a life, no reasons are implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Actually murder is defined as "a taking of another persons life with [b]premeditation[/b] and [b]malice aforethought[/b] [quote]If we can murderer a murderer, can we rape a rapist, or rob a robber? hm?[/quote] That is a great point. We don't do that, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Well, that deffinition is an even better example of how killing and Murder can be different things. I also wanna mention that I wasnt giving definitions, I was giving my interpretations of the words meanings. I think the bottom line in a differance, IMHO, is that murder is a specific action and killing is a general action. Even that can be contested, but that is not the point of this thread. I also thought I would mention that the above definition drew my interest, and so, I got out a little dictionary. Infact the above definition is correct. Although, my dictionary added the line " the unlawful killing of another person." either way, I believe capital punishment is the only way to serve justice to those who were the victims of said criminal. Its not like capital punishment is administrated in a cruel or unusual way. Lethal injection is a rather peacful way of dying. (hell, we put dogs to sleep the same way.) Where as the victims of the criminal suffered a death that could have been any number of horrible things. Above all else, the victims death was unwarranted. Killing the criminal who performed such a crime would be warranted. I mean if you kill some one else, you should get what you gave. (you should know whats coming to you if you murder someone.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Considering how much money it costs to keep them sustained in prison, I'd have to pull a card up for the death penalty all the way. However, I do think that people should [i]try[/i] a little harder to go through all the evidence possible. Hopefully, that would minimize the number of innocents convicted. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I used to be 200% against the Death Penalty under any circumstances. However, a few years ago, some guy (convicted for murder) escaped from prison, and killed more people before getting caught. If that wasn't enough, the next year he escaped again and killed about 6 more persons. What was he given? Since he was already in VERY high security, the court just raised his sentence to 541 years. Now, I ask: If he was executed after his second escape, would those last 6 persons have been murdered? Maybe, but not then, and not by him. Another point: He was already in for over 100 years. Why should he care about receiving more years, if he won't live long anough anyway? All in all, my opinion is that the Death Penalty should be reserved for serial killers, murderers who escape more than once, and people who are just too dangerous to let live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delian Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I must say, I do agree with the death penalty to an extent. Serial killers, serial rapists, murderers who were in there right mind and fully aware of what they were doing, etc...They definitely should deserve the death penalty. However, I don't believe in the 'eye for an eye, life for a life' thing. Each case is individual and it all depends on the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vampire: Ed Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Hmmmm....I say yes. However, not too soon though. Before their death sentence is carried out, I think a murder should be tortured non-stop for several years. Throw them on a medieval rack, and stretch em. While stretched have them whipped, and beaten with a bamboo rod. Wet them down and shock them from time to time when they're about to pass out. Then repeat the process. Then after a long period of time, they take him out and shoot the SOB in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 [color=deeppink] [size=1]Death penalty..? I really don't know. I guess I'm leaning a little more over to no, since Death is a final decision. If once person killed another, they should be punished. But if we kill one person because they killed one person, isn't that just more killing? I mean... I'd understand some sort of harsh punishment, but death. Death is a final decision, and there's no way to turn it back once it happens.[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syn Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 "do we rape rapists" and so on, of course we dont, but that makes me think of a woman, who was robbed, she was asleep and a youngish man tried to break into her home, upon entering the house he tripped and cut his head, the robber then went on to sue the woman. And he won the case. What sort of justice is that ? And making someones sentence to 541 years or however many it was, what good will that do ? The guy wont last till 70 in prison anyway. Again I say, what sort of justice is that? Im sorry but im all for it as I said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 [size=1][color=darkblue] I think Capital Punishment should be bought back. I am a strong believer in 'eye for an eye' and 'tooth for a tooth' if you get what I mean. A life sentence doesn't even mean life over here in England. There is no suitable punishment in the UK for some criminals, such as Child Sex Offenders. [/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Forget all the money it takes to house them. The drain on society. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE A LIFE. its mureder either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 So how do you do justice for the victim. Hmmm? Do you just give the criminal a nice hotel stay for the rest of their non-working, everything provided, no intention of being rehabilitated lives? I say forget the criminals rights, and remember the victims rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike speigel Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 I 'm with Vegeta Rocker on this one. I don't care how bad your crime was, no one deserves to be killed. Killing is horrible. It's just vile. Look at it this way: You all think it's so horrible that some one was murdered, yet you feel it is ok to just go and murder the guy who did it? Doesn't that make us the murderers in that case? Killing some one is murder, no matter what the circumstance. And Gokents, what about the murderer's rights, huh? All people are created equal. No one has more rights then another person, and no one has less rights then another person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syn Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by spike speigel [/i] [B]I 'm with Vegeta Rocker on this one. I don't care how bad your crime was, no one deserves to be killed. Killing is horrible. It's just vile. Look at it this way: You all think it's so horrible that some one was murdered, yet you feel it is ok to just go and murder the guy who did it? Doesn't that make us the murderers in that case? Killing some one is murder, no matter what the circumstance. And Gokents, what about the murderer's rights, huh? All people are created equal. No one has more rights then another person, and no one has less rights then another person. [/B][/QUOTE] And what gives someone the right to kill another ? Nothing, its all good saying that but if it were someone close to you im sure your view would change, no matter what you may say or anyone else for that matter, if someone close to you got murdered you'd want to get even. And im sorry but the system sucks and delivers no punishment at all, house a killer and give them a free bed and food ? What a punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 [b][color=003399]I am completely opposed to the death penalty being in existence anywhere for [i]any[/i] crime. As Gokents said, an eye for an eye. However, how does this solve the problem? I feel this is a poor form of justice. Okay, so someone may feel that the murderer needs a 'taste of their own medicine', but that is only lowering to the level of a killer. It sickens me that people should condemn murder so profusely, yet allow the death penalty to continue right under their noses. In sense the death penalty is a form of pre-calculated murder. Also the complications of new evidence. Recently new evidence was found that possibly could have seen a woman, who was hung years ago in Britain, released from jail. This of course was when forensic evidence was in it's infancy, but for all we know the woman could have been hung for a crime she didn't commit. Forensic investigation is getting more and more advanced every single day, so what's to say new evidence won't arise in the near future for a person killed today by the death penalty? Jail a murderer for life, let them reflect over their own bad deeds for the rest of their days. [/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike speigel Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 That's exactly what I was trying to say in my post, Elite. People are being incredibly hypocritical about the Death Penalty. People go around saying that killing is evil but then they just go and kill some one as a punishment. It makes no sense to do it. It is quite possibly the most assinine from of punishment there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 [color=green]what makes people think they can justify someone's death? and how do we deside what is justice? and if you are going with 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'(both refrinces from the bible) then you should know that in the bible it states that after jesus died on the cross, we would not have the right to make them pay for there sins, for he already paid for them. i do think there are resons to kill(for in the bible it says there is a time for everything) but i don't believe that you can make a law out of it, for it changes with every circumstance. i don't think it is our place to pass such judgment on anyone. and yes, most of what i said is bassed on religion, but this question brings up a lot of religious veiw points. so, no, i don't believe in the death penalty.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasrai Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DuoMax [/i] [B]big NO. I think that killing another person for a person that has been killed is senseless. I mean, think of it this way: "an eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind." Mahatma Gandhi. To me, killing is plain wrong no matter what. [/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=green]I agree part way, except alittle different.... How can one man judge another? This is not word for word so don't get on to me but, Like Jesus said when they were about to stone the woman who had commited adultry Any of ye that have not commited sin, let him cast a stone Now I know there is no one who haven't sinned of some sort and therefore how can they judge whither or not he is to be put to death, even if they are really guilty, they should not be put to death, I think they should be have the sentence of Life with a chance of parole(sp?) Because everyone, I mean everyone, deserves a second chance, even a third or a fourth, and if they kill again, it is not our place to judge them, but let them be judged before God. And that is what I think, if you don't agree, it's just a opinion, plus I'm going to look up what Jesus actually said and type the exact thing.^_^ So to me the death penalty is wrong, because no one has the power to judge another man, plus killing is wrong, just plain wrong.-_~[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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