vegeta rocker Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 What do any of you folks here think about the quote, I think therfore i am? It is said by Descartes a smart little math dude. Say that society forgets you exist and then you forget you exist, do you still exist? This is a pretty weird thing i have been thinking about. So give your input! Vegeta(static) Rocker(static) out (static) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketsmith Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 It is a very intresting consept realy... This is the way i belive things right now... If you belive somthing is true (accualy belive it) then it will be true, the only countermesure to this is other peoples belifes... Thus we can not change phisics with belife, because everyone belives in set rules. I still think its possible to change phisics if 51% of the contence of the universe belived they could be changed... This also brings out another intresting idea,,, Magic... Its all in the belifes... -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 [size=1]Would you still exist if no one knew about you, and you were not conscious of yourself? Well, let's try it. Assuming that you are referring to only sentient beings, we'll try this: There's a guy living alone in Montana. No one knows he exists. What happens when he falls asleep? Does he blink in and out of existance with each nightfall? Miketsmith: So you're saying that if more than half the universe 'believed' that suddenly objects had no attraction to each other, gravity would cease to exist? I very much doubt that. When people believed the earth was the center of the universe, did that make it so? No. One might argue that a bunch of people in Europe do not constitute more than 50% of the universe...but they believed they did. ;)[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketsmith Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 No, what i am saying is as followed. if 51% of the UNIVERSE belived phisics would change, then they would... this includes every animal that instinctivly learns right when it is born about gravity :). They are not necciarialy consious of all of the facts about gravity, but they either have to belive it is there or not... do they fall or not... I'm not to sure... I only follow it so far... so yeah :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Miketsmith [/i] [B]they either have to belive it is there or not... do they fall or not...[/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]They 'believe' it's there, because they fall, my friend. Not the other way around. [/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamc2 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Ah you see now, this is where theoretical idea becomes annoying. As Miketsmith's theory is so huge and improbable, there would be no way to test it out. There fore it is also highly probable that it is true. Besides, how could you convince 51% of the universe's population that basic Physics are incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketsmith Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Sorry that I misspelled that. I will try to make fewer mistakes. Yes, that is exsactly what i mean, you CAN'T get 51% of the population of the universe (let alone earth) to believe it ^_^ We shape our own world you know :) -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vampire: Ed Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hmmm....all though you tripped me in your other topic, and don't tolerate rude people. I'll reply to this. Just kidding. :) Anyway, maybe I am mistaken. But I think maybe it has something to do with your self image. [i]"I think therefore I am."[/i] could mean that you, to yourself, are what you think of yourself. Bah, I'm probably wrong. Don't mind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 ahhhhhhh i don't mind minding you....... lol anyway yeah...well those are all pretty interesting replies. I didn't state my opinion so here you go. I believe that if you exist to yourself then you are real. But that kind of goes back to the argument that if you don't think for yourself you don't exist in a manner of importance. And not existing in a sense of flesh and bone. If you ignore or tell yourself something doesn't exist well then it doesn't. To you anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketsmith Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 That is probably what the statments means, yet i just felt like speeking a small portion of my beliefe system... lol -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 [color=#507AAC]We've had a topic just like this before. The man who lives alone exists regardless of his subjective consciousness. Every time he moves around or does something within his home, he's leaving evidence of his existence. When he sleeps, a mosquito might bite him -- if he didn't exist, that would be impossible. I understand the reason for the question...but I don't think existence is based on subjectivity. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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