Anime Time Travel - The Theory

[Gabe]

Ages and Ages ago I posted this on the old Planet Community Forums, but no one understood, mainly cause the people there wern't too bright, probably the reason the place was shut down.

Anywho, this theory I thought up one night in bed develops around the idea of Cell going back in time.

Boy this is going to bed hard to explain. Ok.

When Trunks comes back in time and everything, warns our fellas about the Androids, then leaves, Everything is fine so far. Yet when he comes back and they slap the Androids a bit, and the other Androids are realeased, so far with me? Ok when Goku is being moved to Master Roshi's Island, Bulma informs everyone on the plane that some old farmer found a Time Machine, the same one Trunks came back in. Now where getting somewhere. A bit of time passes. Cell is explaining to Piccolo, I think, about how he came to the present, or whenever it is, he tells Piccolo that he did not know how to operate the Time Machine so he slapped it so it took him back to where ever the Co-Ordinates were set to, present Earth.

Yet here is the problem. How could Cell some back to this time when Trunks was already here, this would either mean:-

A) The script writers or who ever thought this up made a bit of a mistake. This could be the most obvious choice.

B) There were 2 Trunks in present Earth at two diffrent times. Considering one Trunks was snotted by Cell so he could come back to the time where another Trunks was.

Wow this one sounds a lot better then my previous one. Anyway reply with what you think or if you dont understand it.

Please understand it :nervous:

[Jinzouningen17]

This was explained a little while ago, but I dont remember the thread. So I'll explain it again...

There is more than 1 Future(theres 3 if I'm not mistaken.). 1 Future is the normal one(you know, the one where Cell's killed by Gohan, and all that. The regular timeline), the second Future is when the Jinzouningen's kill Gohan and Trunks escapes, and the third Future is when Cell kills Trunks and steals his time machine. Well, Cell is from the third Future while Mirai No Trunks in the present was from the second Future and they both traveled back to the present timeline(which is the first Future.)and ironically meet each other there. Thus is the reason you see 2 time machines at one point.

Thats pretty much the best way I can explain it. Hopefully someone else can do a better job than I did. Hopefully I didnt confuse you with all of those Future's. lol

[Red]

[b][color=003399]I've only seen the dubbed version of Trunks explaining the timelines, but according to those episodes there were only 2 existing seperate timelines. Trunks came from one (the future), the Z fighters battling Frieza in the other (the DBZ story present).[/b][/color]

[Syk3]

Ahhh, I used to know this. I have pretty much all of the episodes that explain this on VHS, so I may watch it again and try to explain it. But I believe that it is very close to what Jinzouningen17 said.

[Transtic Nerve]

It is what Jinzoningen said.

I actually didn't realize this at first till someone here pointed it out to me.

But yeah, just like with any alternate dimention, where there's one there's another and another and another. Each universe has an alternate of itself untill it eventually goes around in circles. You saw the TV show Sliders or the move The One right? Same concept.

Anyway, 3 alternate universes exist, or are shown, in DBZ. The "normal" one where Gokou is our hero and the one the show bases itself off of. Future Trunk's, the one the Trunks TV special is based off of and the one where Future Trunks comes from when he lands and kills Furiiza. [b]If you remember, Trunks does travel back to his time (or so it seemed) and killed the Cell who there (which tells you right there, the Cell that was focused on in the series DID NOT come from Future Trunks' time)[/b] Then you have the big mean Cell who become perfect blah blah blah. We dunno what universe he's from, all you know he had to de-evolve or something and traveled here in Trunks' time machine.

So yeah, your theory is not correct. The Cell who we see as a main bad guy inthe DBZ series did not come from Future Trunks' time.

The answer:

C) There are 3 time lines shown in the DBZ series.

* Focus on that bold statement, that contains the missing information that you should probably know.

[Manic Webb]

Isn't there a spare time machine lying around somewhere? Cell came back in time from an alternate-[i]alternate[/i] future, climbs out of his time machine, and gets killed by Gohan. Trunks climbs into his own time machine and goes back into the future. What happened to Cell's time machine?

[Syk3]

I watched it a few episodes today and it finally came to me. Here's how I see it:

Ok, [b]timeline one[/b]. Everything happens as such, and then Freeza comes to Earth to destroy it. Eventually, the Z fighters come out of hiding and begin their attack on Freeza as King Cold watches on. Goku comes down and goes super Saiyan, then beats Freeza after a little while. King Cold becomes furious, and a huge battle ensues, where Goku wins in the end. A year or two later, Goku dies of a heart attack (because being a super Saiya-jin in that battle encouraged it), and after a total of three years after Freeza came to Earth, the androids appear. Gohan is the lone survivor, and teaches Trunks to be strong. Blah blah blah, Trunks goes back in time to prevent Goku from dieing in hope of him finding a way to defeat the androids, at which point he would go to his own time and defeat his androids.

[b]Timeline two[/b] is the past that Trunks comes back to. Goku has the heart attack anyway during his fight with Android 19, and the rest of the androids are awaken. Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and Future Trunks decide to train in the hyperbolic time chamber as the androids search for Goku. When the Saiya-jins come out, they are very powerful; powerful enough to destroy the androids. They do so, and Trunks retruns to his timeline, [b]timeline one[/b]. There, he defeats the androids of his time, and when he is about to go tell his friends of the past, Cell comes out and demands to know where the androids are. When Cell learns that Trunks killed them, he kills him, and takes his time machine to the past.

Generally, at this point, one would assume that the past he returned to has no androids, since Trunks helped Goku to destroy them in the past as well. But what happens is that Cell ends up in [b]timeline three[/b], the normal one which the show goes on. Maybe Trunks made a mistake when seting the time on the machine, or Cell programmed it to a little before Trunks would arrive to tell them. Either way, he ends up in the past around the time that Trunks showed up to warn them of the androids, but because he was in his larva state, he could do nothing. He eventually hatches, and everything after that is history in the way of Dragonball Z.

Hopefully I've made it easier to understand, but if I made it more confusing, just ask me to explain something.

[Kent]

Although Jin-17 is most likely correct, allow me to interject another possibility.

There is time line A. "A" will be the time line that future trunks came from in which gohan is killed by the droids.

Time line B will be the timeline in which the series takes place with the tournament.

Now, for my idea.

Each time trunks came from t.l. A, it created a new timeline.

So when trunks came to t.l. B and warned everyone, and then returned to t.l. A, it created another possible time line. (this will be t.l. C)

Time line C is specifically the time line that never was showed, but what I am thinking is that t.l. C is the timeline which was created from t.l. B, only instead of trunks coming back a second time while the z fighters were fighting Gero, trunks never came back.

Hence, gero is killed, and the droids (17, 18) are never released. Then, 15 (or what ever number) years later, cell awakens and comes out to find his droids. Only he doesnt find the droids. So he finds trunks and kills him, steals his time machine and travels back to t.l. B.

So, my point is that when trunks came back the first time, it created a possibility of 2 different timelines.
The show follows the one of those which leads to gero getting whipped on.
Then when trunks decided to come back again, the timeline split again. This time it created 1 timeline in which trunks prevents geros demise (which we saw). The other time line, is the one which continued on as if trunks hadnt come back again. This is the one that cell travels through time from.

I know that probably didnt make sense, but if you didnt get it, then ask, because I like the theory and would like to try and explain it more.

[Gabe]

There can only be one solution now that I have read all youre replies. There has to be a third timeline or this would of happened.

In the time when Trunks kill Cell in the Future after the Cell in the main timeline was killed. Say Trunks died to the Future Cell and Cell came back. That means there would of been another Cell for all the Z Warriors to slap around. Of cause he would be easy to kill considering he is form one and there are no androids in that time either.

Think about that for a bit.

[Transtic Nerve]

Yes there was the possibility of another Cell to come around... And like you said, he'd be easily killed off. Which is why it wasn't written into the story.

[Syk3]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i]
[B]Hence, gero is killed, and the droids (17, 18) are never released. Then, 15 (or what ever number) years later, cell awakens and comes out to find his droids. Only he doesnt find the droids. So he finds trunks and kills him, steals his time machine and travels back to t.l. B.[/B][/QUOTE]
Your theory, for the most part, is believable, except for this part. This is the only part of the theory that I am having trouble with -- If there were no androids, then the world would be in peace, right? Then why would Bulma need to make a time machine in the first place to return to the past? It seems to me that she wasn't going to make that time machine anyway; she only did it so that Trunks could warn Goku. In other words, there would be no time machine for Cell to retrun to the past in.

[Kent]

Well, that angle puts my theory in a new light.

With what you said (syk3) I would have to rethink my theory for atleast a little while.

Im thinking that maybe bulma would have created the time machine out of a pycho fit of creativity.

See, the reason the droids wouldnt be in that time line is because the fore warned z fighters killed off gero. That means that the warning came from trunks and since bulma knew that she invented a time machine in one dimension, she would probably invent one just to invent what she saw to be a machine that changes the history of the world.

Then again, I dont really know what to say other than, "I give up."

Its just too hard to sit here and try to discuss time travel in an educated way.

[L.A. Rod.]

This is all really confusing. I'm reading all of these posts and I'm having a hard time reading wihtout keeping my ulser from bleeding, although this is a really good question to ask. Let me catch my breath(huff, puff, huff, puff). Now I'm probably restating what some people have already said, but here goes a little simpler version. Lets say that there are only two alternate time demensions(since the main one is where Gohan whoops Cell to the point of tears, and all of us know about that). First, we have Trunks that came back to warn Goku about the Androids three years in advance. It would in fact be three years later that this very same Trunks would come back to see the outcome of this battle. Then, a few days later, they found this other time machine which was identicle to the one that our Friend Trunks came back in, which was later discovered that it was used by Cell. This Cell is from a completely different time demension than our neighborhood friendly Trunks that ever so graciously returned to see how things were turning out. Keep in mind that Trunks did explain the details of time travel to the rest of the Z warriors. He can come back and cure cancer in little Gohan's time and when he goes back to his original time, the disease is still going strong. So, this is to say that the Trunks which Cell stole the time machine from is from a complete different time demension than the one's that we are friends with. Also, it is a good assumption to make that this Trunks which Cell stole the time machine from had never gone back in time before, and this was his first trip in order to tell the people of the past how to dismantle the Androids, as we are all aware that they were dead in this time demension which Cell claims to be from. To make this assumption, we have to keep in mind that when the Trunks that we came to know and love warned the fighters of the threat to come, the time machine that was stolen by Cell had already been there for a year.

Now that I have saved us all from this topic with the most efficient of efforts, here's a new question that will send it all down the toilet: How did the future Cell recieve genetic material from Frieza when he came back to Earth and was destroyed by Trunks? Forget it, I'm gonna go solve the Middle East Crisis.

[Syk3]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by L.A. Rod. [/i]
[B]Now that I have saved us all from this topic with the most efficient of efforts, here's a new question that will send it all down the toilet: How did the future Cell recieve genetic material from Frieza when he came back to Earth and was destroyed by Trunks? Forget it, I'm gonna go solve the Middle East Crisis. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, assuming that this Cell was from a time where Goku died of a heart virus and Trunks never came back, then Gero may have gotten the genetic information in the huge battle of Super Saiya-jin Goku versus Freeza and King Cold. He must have noticed the humongous power, and taken information from Freeza and King Cold.

And with you bringing this up, it has opened a new light of information. The reason that Gero and Android 19 wern't released Trunks's timeline must have been because Gero saw the battle between Goku and Freeza, and knew that they wouldn't be able to do anything against Goku. Once he realized this, he decided to go ahead and release 17 and 18.

[Kent]

Actually, I would say that you solved nothing. (sorry about that)

But it seems you also contradicted yourself.

First you said 2 time lines.

Then you explain the one with gokou and gohan.

Then you explain the one future trunks came from.

Then you explained the other (third one) which cell came from.

All in all, I would say the same thing I said before about this topic.

But off of topic I wanna mention that no matter what timeline anyone is in, the same people are there. So with frieza being in cells timeline, and the little observation bug going to namek and collectin samples, I would say that there is no problem with cell having friezas dna.

I also most importantly wanna mention that you need to seperate different Ideas. Using paragraphs isnt a bad idea, and its a requirment on these boards which ask for nothing less than something close to proper essay format and english. (I dont mean to be harsh, but I used to do the same thing until I was threated repeatedly with being banned. Over grammar! yea I know its harsh, but it really happened.)

So try and clean up your post a bit. (that was directed to L.A. rod. of course) and remember that this is nothing personal.

[L.A. Rod.]

To begin this post off topic for a moment, I am a newbie, and I am relying on people like you to do as you did and guide me around. Thanks for helping me out, I'll try to organize a bit(I had a hard time reading it myself, as it was my longest post).

Anyways, back to this whole future business, I am aware that I did nothing but weave a nice little trap and confused myself, which is why I contradicted myself. Still, as I mentioned earlier, Cell stated himself that the cells from Frieza were collected when he came to Earth in mostly Android form. This is of course when he met his end at the hands of Trunks(as Cell stated).

That fact brings to mind new options on the death of Goku and the deadly virus in relation to Cell's time.