Queen Asuka Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 [color=hotpink][size=1]They were talking about terrorism for a bit on the channel I was watching. They were talking about how one of the guys was an Israeli airforce colonel or something of the sort. But I think they are trying to rule that out for now. Last I heard, they were finding body parts? [/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostProphet Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Yeah they found some parts, a torso, skull and thigh bone. Check out Yahoo Rowlett area isnt too far away. remember, most of North Texas is rural area, so sound travels far in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuruBlu Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 yes, there are reports of body parts, also apparently when the shuttle broke up into pieces each part created its own sonic boom, which considering the large number of pieces that's alot of sonic booms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Body parts are hard to believe. Though not impossible. Israel had their first astronought on the shuttle, the country was watching live landing. The guy?s father looked so happy and proud in the studio, I feel sorry for how he feels now... As for the blast/sonic booms, if they could travel 207k feet they could spread the distance. I have the feeling that if you guys heard it/shaked your houses that the astronoughts were most likely killed then or their ears wouldn't have been in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anakin Solo Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Yes they found like a leg or something in some field. Sad this is. I was woken up by my mom and she told me. It is pretty wierd, because I was woken up when I was having a dream about something going wrong with some space shuttle. I have had the news on all day, and have been following it, and hope they can figure out what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/events03/world/amer/shuttle/smil/columbia01feb.ram[/url] The first part of that freed is mission control losing contact. [Added] [url]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,418462,00.html?cnn=yes[/url] This is a good report, people should go read it. It explains allot and implications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]Body parts are hard to believe. Though not impossible. Israel had their first astronought on the shuttle, the country was watching live landing. The guy?s father looked so happy and proud in the studio, I feel sorry for how he feels now... As for the blast/sonic booms, if they could travel 207k feet they could spread the distance. I have the feeling that if you guys heard it/shaked your houses that the astronoughts were most likely killed then or their ears wouldn't have been in good shape. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=red][b]I heard on the news that remains of some of the austronouts were found. I just watched Apollo 13 too. I don't know why, I just had an urge to watch it. Sad, sad events.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valen Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Sick... just Sick... One thing, NASA.... This was their fault. They just admitted that they did send the shuttle up unchecked from last mission, except for a few heat tile repairs... bull. What has happened today proves that NASA should have checked the ship BEFORE sending it up in space. Also, they plan to send the schedualed supply ship to the Space Station, eventhough they do not have the Columbia ship anymore. Gawd... the first Israeli Astronaut was on that mission also... Bwahaha! Yeah, NOW they ask about the overworked members of NASA and if the funding cuts endangered the safety of the crew members... Kind of late... I mean yeah, you put a 22yr old chunk of metal to 3,000 degrees F, and of course you're going to get somekind of dangers... but damn.... Oh my gawd... Laurel Clark, one of the crew members.... had an uncle that died in the 9-11 attack, and now she's dead also... My heart goes out to all seven families... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 They are sending up a supply ship! There are three people on the ISS, you want them to die because you think it isn't sympathetic enough to give them food? Checking the ship? What are you on about, they follow standard procedures. Lay off NASA, they did their job. If you read that link at the top of this page by me you'll see the most likely course of this "accident" and it had nothing to do with NASA. Budget cuts are the American politicians fault. Space fight is an extremely dangerous business, they new the risks. Valen are you just stupid or don?t you understand that we don?t have tech like star trek and star wars that is the only way back to earth that has been developed so far. [Added] Confirmed that they have found a "Charred torso, scull and hipbone" near other debris, unknown if it is one of the crew. But most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anakin Solo Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]They are sending up a supply ship! There are three people on the ISS, you want them to die because you think it isn't sympathetic enough to give them food? Checking the ship? What are you on about, they follow standard procedures. Lay off NASA, they did their job. If you read that link at the top of this page by me you'll see the most likely course of this "accident" and it had nothing to do with NASA. Budget cuts are the American politicians fault. Space fight is an extremely dangerous business, they new the risks. Valen are you just stupid or don?t you understand that we don?t have tech like star trek and star wars that is the only way back to earth that has been developed so far. [Added] Confirmed that they have found a "Charred torso, scull and hipbone" near other debris, unknown if it is one of the crew. But most likely. [/B][/QUOTE] Totally agree with you there. If I remember correctly...something fell off during the launch, and that may have caused the ship to fall apart upon re-entry. Besides, these space shuttles are getting old, so things will happen. I totally agree with cloricus, NASA did do their job. And if you would read the article in Cloricus' post, it says that there are still 3 people in the space station. Now it is leave them there, or go get them. That could be a reason on why they are sending a ship up there again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valen Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 .... Obviously nobody just watched the show NASA themselves just aired on NBC/MSNBC... I was typing in what they said, so kiss ***. Good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinnyLyn Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [color=royal blue]You know, people just lost their lives today. Instead of running around and pointing fingers or making theories, I think what we as an online community need to recognize, just for 24 hours, that people are dead and families are suffering because of this. Yes, people screwed up. Yes, it's hard to forgive instantly in cases like this. BUT...Getting rude about the topic is not going to help anything. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Valen I was/am watching NASA emergency broadcasting stream, every thing their doing is put there. *Hugs broadband* Mitth their supposedly redoing what their sending and they say the supplies they are sending now should last until June. Three ppls all by them selves for five months on top of the time they have already stayed there. Any one-say cabin sick? The time report says what I'd say about them getting back so go read it. [Added] One thing I want to know, did the data they collected survive. I really hope so. I know the spiders with them are gone but the other research they were doing, some of it was very important. If that was saved they might not have died completely in vain. Any one know if they downstream it before re-entry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domon Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 I agree, why didn't NASA abort the launch of Coloumbia when the wing was damaged? Or the crew could have performed a space walk and repaired the darn thing. I swear when i saw film that was being shown on CBS that the shuttle was still intact, but i've accepted the inevitbable, it incinerated and the crew died instantly. This may seem harsh but i hope they didn't suffer. I do feel sorry for the astrounauts families and friends. I still don't understand why they didn't repair the thing or abort the mission. I just don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syk3 Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 I started watching this at about 10, when my mom's friend called to tell us about it. At first, I didn't believe it when my dad said "The Shuttle exploded." In my head I was replacing the word "shuttle" with "brother's lego space ship." o_O Of course, I then went upstairs and heard the terrible news. I didn't know that this could happen, but... It's like Challenger all over again, except the exact opposite. I just find it pathetic that such a thing can happen after putting millions of dollars into a space craft, and that after all these years, there is always something that can go wrong. This is a terrible tragedy and my heart goes out to the families of these astonauts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GinnyLyn [/i] [B][color=royal blue]families are suffering because of this.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=ff00cc] [size=1]My dad and I were talking in the car on our way to my cousin's house... and during our conversation about the Columbia, I began to think... How devastated those families must have been. I mean, they're excited to see their families again. Anxious to see them come back, and actually proud of knowing they'd be coming back from a space mission. All those questions they'd be wanting to ask... And then, they see the ship, only it's on fire and exploding. >< I can't imagine how horrified they must be... ><[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [color=crimson]Its part of the way Science works. They are going into a place that humans really are not suited for, and require thousands of dollars of equipment to reside in- Someone is going to eventually die, and everyone knows it. I hate to be outlandishly cold, but people should realize what they are getting into when they ascend miles from the Earth and any hope of support besides themselves and machines, which are less reliable than the astronauts themselves if if something fails. Its reality.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Domon [quote]I agree, why didn't NASA abort the launch of Coloumbia when the wing was damaged? Or the crew could have performed a space walk and repaired the darn thing. I swear when i saw film that was being shown on CBS that the shuttle was still intact, but i've accepted the inevitbable, it incinerated and the crew died instantly. This may seem harsh but i hope they didn't suffer. I do feel sorry for the astrounauts families and friends. I still don't understand why they didn't repair the thing or abort the mission. I just don't understand.[/quote] Okay there are easy answers to both of your questions. 1) Why didn't the abort the launch when the wing was damaged. Well this is simple, the shuttle was already about 20 seconds off the lunch pad and they didn't find out that any thing had hit the wing until two days after the launch. This is not considered to be what coursed the disintegration but is an option. 2) Why didn't they do an eva to repair it. They had no means of doing this. It is commonly believed that all space shuttles go up with equipment to do eva's, this is not true. There is not the room and it weighs too much. This explains why they only take it up when really necessary. As for them dying quickly I have no idea. We'll have to wait to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [color=#507AAC]DeathKnight, I don't think [i]anyone[/i] believes that space flight is easy or that there is no risk. Space travel is one of the riskiest things that mankind can possibly do at the moment. I'm sure the astronauts and their families accepted that risk, because this was their life's work...and their passion. Even though we will see some tragedy such as this in the course of exploration and pushing the boundaries of mankind, it's still a very sad event. I suppose though that these people would have wanted to go this way, had they chosen...in the sense that they died while following their life's passion. They sacrificed their lives for human exploration. And we should always remember to continue those efforts, even though we do accept the high level of risk involved.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 This point came to two other people as well as me today. (Two people that talked to me about it anyway.) Space flight is the safest form of transport that mankind has ever made. You are safer in an American rocket than you are walking out your front door. (Flighting is the second.) I know this isn't a good think to say but statistically 7 people in 17 years when considering that you are strapping your self on to a massive bomb and then flinging your self back at the atmosphere, let alone space itself. And how many times they do that a year. Damn that?s a good record... (17 all up by my memory.) What do others thing of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [color=#507AAC]Actually, that's not true. The safest form of travel is airplane. It's been 14 people in under 20 years. Plus, there have only been about 110 shuttle flights. But there are hundreds of thousands of airplane flights per day, with millions of passengers. So, it's not the safest way to travel; far from it. It's extremely risky and dangerous. Let's hope that they learn what happened exactly and that they take steps to prevent such incidents in future missions.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Well on the net i just read that the crew most likely survived the entrance to he atmosphere and they did not die instantly. Just thinking about what was going on in thier minds is scary. Could you strap yourself in a huge rocket and hope that it brings you back to Earth and not crash into some city and kill alot of people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domon Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Well the shuttle didn't land in a populated area, thank goodness. From what i've seen it looked like the remains crashed into what looked like a rural area. This still is an awful thing. I still think they should have done more thorough (sp?) maintenece check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 [color=red][b]The shuttle never landed. Peices of it did. This arm patch was found, it is in almost perfect condition: [img]http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/TECH/space/02/02/shuttle.columbia/story.patch.found.jpg[/img] This helmet was also found: [img]http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/US/02/01/shuttle.debris.glance.ap/story.helment.found.jpg[/img] Here is a list from CNN of the debris found. I will spoiler it so if you don't want to read it, you don't have to. :( [spoiler]-- Remains that a hospital employee identified as charred torso, thigh bone and skull on a rural road near other unspecified debris in Hemphill, east of Nacogdoches. -- Intact, charred helmet and astronaut's patch in San Augustine County. --A rounded piece of what appeared to be metal, about 4 by 5 feet in size, found on a rural highway in Neches. -- Foot-long metal bracket which smashed through roof of dentist's office in Nacogdoches. -- Half-moon-shaped metal piece, about 5 feet long, in front yard in Nacogdoches, described as jagged with severe burn marks. -- V-shaped chunk of metal in the median of U.S. 79 just northeast of Palestine, in Anderson County. More unspecified debris found at nearby Pert. -- 2-foot square pieces of metal, small pieces of tile in Cherokee County, just west of Nacogdoches, and in Rusk County, just to the north. -- Unspecified debris falling near Jacksonville, Palestine, Rusk and Athens. -- A brick-size piece of debris in the back yard of a home off FM 23 near Rusk. Other pieces in a nearby hay field. -- 5- by 5-inch item that appeared to be a charred piece of tile in front of Rice High School in Rice, in Navarro County. -- Unspecified debris several inches in diameter in Henderson County, including footlong piece on land being developed by family of former Texas Gov. Bill Clements. -- Tank, about 3 feet in diameter, on a runway at the A.L. Mangham Jr. Regional Airport in Nacogdoches. -- Steel rod with silver bolts in a Nacogdoches yard. -- 3- by 3-foot piece of metal in a bank parking lot in Nacogdoches. -- 1-foot diameter piece of gray metal in front of the courthouse in Nacogdoches. -- 9- by 2-inch piece of metal in a yard, ash on a car in Nacogdoches. -- Chunk of unspecified debris with stenciled letters and numbers on it in Kerens near Highway 309 in Navarro County. -- Curved piece of metal, about 5 feet in diameter, in the median of state Highway 55 in Anderson County, west of Nacogdoches. -- Small piece of unspecified debris in a grassy area along State Road 155 near Palestine in Anderson County. Louisiana: -- Smoldering bundle of wires in a front yard in Shreveport. -- Compact-car sized piece reported splashing into Toledo Bend Reservoir on Texas-Louisiana border. -- Debris in Ouachita Parish thought by authorities "to be possibly a parachute." -- Four unspecified pieces of wreckage fell west of Leesville in Vernon Parish. [/spoiler][/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShinje Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Condolenses for the families of the crew on board. It is a sad shame that, almost 17 years to the day of the loss of Challenger, that there has been another shuttle lost. This time on re entry. The crew of columbia were a remarkable team of Scientist who were pushing the boundaries of space travel with the construction of the International Space Station. I hope that the partr they have constructed up there will have some sort of memorial on it. God bless the Columbia, and all who he took home on that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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