Lady Macaiodh Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [COLOR=darkblue]First, I'd like to apologize to anyone who would disagree with anything I have to say. Second, if any mods find this thread too risque', feel free to delete it without any hard feelings. This has been bothering me for awhile. Lately, it has been seen as exciting to witness or hear about lesbian action. Lesbians are "in" these days. Girls are coming out as gay or bi more often than ever. It is seen as a turn on for many guys. Yet although the stigma against homosexuality has decreased, it is much more socially acceptable for females to be gay than males. Society's perspective--two girls getting it on: sexy, a turn on. Two guys getting it on: nasty, perverted. I'm not saying that everyone thinks like this. I'm saying that's the general opinion, from what I've personally witnessed. (This thread was inspired by something that happened today.) In my opinion, saying that it's okay for girls to be gay but not guys is completely hypocritical. However, it is usually straight guys who say this, [i]in my experience[/i]. I have yet to meet a girl who had a problem with [i]anybody[/i] being gay, but I've met tons of guys who are seriously threatened by the idea of a gay male coming anywhere near them. Apparently, the idea is totally offensive. I was wondering from a "straight male" perspective (or anyone who has an idea): why is this such a persistent point of view? What's the big difference between guys and girls in this area? I personally have never seen it. I'd also like to point out that I've grown up in a mostly conservative state & really don't know about what's going on elsewhere concerning this issue. This is my experience. I sincerely hope it's better in other places. [/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hikaru Ichijyo Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 :( Hmm well sad to report that it's pretty much the same concept everywhere you go. Personally in my opinion I don't think for the most part males even really respect the fact women are lesbians. To them it's just another turn on, in most of their sick perverted minds. So for the most part they pretend to accepted women being gay when in reality they don't except either male or female relationships in general. In short blame it on Male Hormones working overdrive... PS. In case I offend anyone indirectly by this I apologize because perhaps my point wasn't delivered clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilac oranges Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 coming from a chick point of view, i don't understand either view. i spend alot of time with males and i often hear of these 'lesbian' fantisies. ok i can understand how a fella would like to be with two chicks but how is it lesbian? i think the whole bias is against both male and female gays. i'm in a community where homosexuality is not widely accepted and i think its just a fear of the diffrent more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremma Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Well, I go to an arts school so we have a large population of bisexuals and gays, and lots of tolercane, though some poeple are not too big of fan, and yes, they are usually guy not liking gays, but they'd still love to see two girls getting it on. Why? They get to see double! I think this is very sick that thats the only reason they dont go around calling the lesbians homo and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rick Hunter [/i] [B]To them it's just another turn on, in most of their sick perverted minds. So for the most part they pretend to accepted women being gay when in reality they don't except either male or female relationships in general.[/B][/QUOTE] Banner....too...big. Hey man, I find lesbian sex hot, but it's not a perverted or ignorant thing. Then again, I don't view homosexual male relationships in a harsh way either. So, I guess I'm one of the exceptions. Most "straight" males aren't interested in gay male relationships because they don't find them appealing. I'll bet that two straight women would feel the same way about two other women having sex. It just wouldn't do anything for them. That's not to say they anyone should be [i]against[/i] a homosexual relationship. You want to know why lesbian relationships are more widely accepted, though? We live in a male driven society. Marketing, television, films, (the list could go on forever) are mostly geared towards a male audience. This "acceptance" is only superficial. Some men don't respect lesbian relationships--they just see them as a turn on. Because they serve a purpose, they are tolerable. Kevin is very much correct there. Not all societies are the same though. In France, it would be perfectly "normal" for two males to kiss and show public affection for one another. I think that attitude is becoming more widely accepted in the United States too. Overall I'd say that ignorant attitudes towards homosexual relationships (both male and female) are largely based on the media. Sex is really exploited and the meaning behind it is greatly ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinnyLyn Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [color=royal blue]IMO, it's all disturbing. How can two plugs or two outlets make electricity? :blush: (Heh, please don't hurt me, don't be offended!) OK, anyways, a lot of what CWB says about the media is pretty true. Dang, and I wanted to say that first. :p[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i] [B] Most "straight" males aren't interested in gay male relationships because they don't find them appealing. [/B][/QUOTE] How do you know that? I've read somewhere that most men (if they could reply anonymously) have had homo- or bi-sexual fantasies. And also, many men in their youth have masturbated with their male friends (or this is at least what I've heard :blush: ). What is the ultimate truth, is still a secret, and I think it will be that forever. There hardly is such time when everybody could express their sexuality freely - world is such a bad place! Of course, some awfully religious peep will think the opposite, but we all have our opinions and so on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 This will be a shock to many lol but I don't find two lesbians getting it on at all arousing. Many times in pornography, those two girls you see getting it on are not "lesbians"... in many cases they are doing it plainly for the money, and let me tell you, any straight person would do the same for the amount of money they get paid. I, however, LOVE real lesbians. I find them to be the nicest and most wonderful people in the world.... to look at my car, I mean... to become friends with lol. They always seem to know exactly whats going on and they have this opinion, that NO straight male could ever possess. It's like having a mind of a male and female in one brain... I suppose the same goes for masculine straight males like myself lol, but yeah. Anyway, back on subject. Obviously it's true that a male dominated society (although being more women in this country that is yet to make sense to me) that obviously, the heterosexual male being manly and powerful would be afraid of anythign that might come along and strip that power away, such as being with another male. Besides the ancient greeks, who didn't have sex with other men, but more along the lines of foreplay minus the sexual activity (usually with boys) no other society has looked upon being homosexual as a powerful thing. It's always been negative, much lik that associated with women. And you all know the history of that. Men are too stuborn to try to change the way things are, unless it gets them more money or power or sex in many cases. So naturally things like this are bound to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemolth Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Well, the simple answer to this is that it is the fantasy of every red-blooded man to sleep with two women at the same time. Its one of those Immutable Laws of Maleness. Like... No man shall comment on another about their attractiveness, No man shall cry (unless it gets you a lay), No man shall glance sideways at a urinal, etc. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [color=hotpink][size=1]Actually, I had a gay friend once who told me to just imagine two REALLY hot guys making out... ..... Anyways, that's when I thought guy on guy wouldn't be so bad. Of course, I have no problem with anyone or their sexuality. It's their choice. I just don't want to watch, if that's what we're talking about here.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 I think this idea of two girls is such a cliche and I am just sick of it. Sorry, maybe Im weird, but I dont have "use" for two girls since there is only one of... you know what. But I do want to make the point that girls having "gay" sex is just slightly different from guys specifically because of the actions taken. Go look up sodomy in the dictionary. It means oral or anal sex. Although I will not get into my personal feelings about those, I can say for certain that when guys have sex together, there is a whole lot more... lets say, sodomy, than when girls do it. I dont care if guys or girls wanna be homosexual. I dont like to have it waved in my face, but then again, I dont like any display of pubic affection, straight or gay. I also wanna mention that a part of homosexual life that is often ignored in the public eye is the part about honest descriptions of what goes on in a sexual manner between many gay men. It always makes me wonder what society would say if we were to just say for once that these two guys were... you know, the offensive descriptions for sodomy. I hope this hasnt offended anyone too much, but hey, Im a blunt guy at times, and due to my comfort with my own sexuality and other peoples choice about sexuality, I feel I can speak bluntly and honestly. Sorry again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [color=crimson]This made me shrug casually in real life at all those who called the "two girls" thing stupid- Maybe you're too arrogant for your own good, hmm? To me, its really your choice on how you want to lead your life. I tolerate either sex being homo/bi, but I am, however, straight. But its just a choice- No one should be hated for their choices, its just stupid. Personally, I havent really talked with anyone in real life to see if alot of guys really are just tolerent of female lesbians for the sexual fantasy that comes with it. That subject really doesnt come up too often in my group of 14-16 year old guys and gals that I hang out with, haha. I guess it would be a fun conversation to start one night, lol.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syn Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 I dont know, im not really bothered, lesbians dont really get me too excited, of course sometimes it does ;O But saying your lesbian or gay to get other people to like you is pretty stupid. I respect anyone who "comes out" takes a lot of guts. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinzouningen17 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GinnyLyn [/i] [B][color=royal blue]IMO, it's all disturbing. How can two plugs or two outlets make electricity? :blush: (Heh, please don't hurt me, don't be offended!)[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] :laugh: Man, I may need to use that some day....nah, nevermind. But that was still funny... *ahem* *goes back to serious mode* [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i] [B][color=crimson]To me, its really your choice on how you want to lead your life. I tolerate either sex being homo/bi, but I am, however, straight. But its just a choice- No one should be hated for their choices, its just stupid. [/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Point VERY well taken. As far as my personal opinion goes, at first, I'm not gonna lie, but bein the "Dirty Old Man" that I am(that was a joke. I'm not an old man. :D), I [i]was[/i] into "HLA"(Hot Lesbian Action). Note that "was" is the key word in that statement. Now, its like all you see on most TV shows now(WWE shows included). They wore out the "gay" thing last year(mainly on that show "Undressed" on MTV, but I never was into that thing either. I got nothin against gays, I just dont agree with it nor support it. But you do whatcha wanna do, ya know. Its all good. Regardless I still got nothin but love for ya. :D), and now this year they're wearin out the "Lesbian/HLA" thing. I guess you can say in my eyes, that its just gettin old. I liked it better when they rarely talked about that stuff, but now its just an every day thing. *shrugs* So I guess you can just say that I'm pretty much gettin tired of it. It was nice while it lasted, but now that thing is gettin worn out like a song on MTV's TRL. Thats just my view on the "Lesbian" thing. They can do it in private or what not(as well as gays). They can do whatever they want, but as far them on TV...its gettin old. Please let it end soon. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBaggee Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [color=red]Either way is unnatural and (for all you religious folks) one of the bigger sins. But, like many have said before me, it's all about male hormones and media exposure. In all reality though, there are a lot of movies that portray male homosexuals, and I'm not talking "Big Daddy". I've never had the chance to catch them, but "Billy's First Hollywood Screen Kiss" and several others are suppossed to be very, very good. --Chris[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinzouningen17 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JCBaggee [/i] [B][color=red]Either way is unnatural and (for all you religious folks) one of the bigger sins.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Actually, there is no such thing as a "bigger" sin. Sin is sin, no matter how you look at it. Just thought I'd point that out so none of the gays or lesbians would think that God has somethin against them, when he loves them just as much as he loves every one else(equally). Oh well, back to the subject at hand.(PLEASE, lets not completly change this into a relgious against homosexuals thread. I just wanted to point that one thing out, thats all. :D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted February 12, 2003 Author Share Posted February 12, 2003 [color=darkblue]I've noticed that more people are coming out than ever. But I do notice a difference between guys and girls. For the most part, when a girl comes out, people perk up & listen. They want to know more. I've been asked to kiss a girl in from of my male friends so many times, it's ridiculous. But when a guy comes out, it's more like a "stand up for your rights" thing. A statement, or what have you. It's like "Hey, I'm gay, I'm not ashamed of it, & there's nothing wrong with it." It seems like males have to stand up for themselves a lot more than females. And I for one have never heard of a female being beaten or killed because they were gay. I guess that was what I was trying to point out (and I found many responses to be very insightful). Also, I'd like to point out that homosexuality is a lot less "choice" than it is the nature of the person. I have yet to meet someone who just "decided" to be gay. I was wondering... if anyone feels like talking about it, what are some forms of discrimination you have witnessed toward gay people, whether it happened to you or somebody else?[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]Go look up sodomy in the dictionary. It means oral or anal sex. [/B][/QUOTE] Heh.. funny story behind that.. "Sodomy" all goes back to the first half of Genesis in the Bible.. Whether the story is true or not, the story goes that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for what we call "Sodomy" today (Sodom was inhabited by the Sodomites: The dictionary defines a Sodomite as "one who practices Sodomy" or something similar) where what actually happened in Sodom to provoke God into doing this was more Gang Rape, than what we define as Sodomy, which is a completely different thing altogether again. My point is that the definition of the word is much broader than the context it originated from. With regards to the question, I knew a fair amount of extremely stereotypical guys in school, and I can pretty much say that the reason [b]most[/b] heterosexual men think in that way is as follows.. Reasoning for "Gay guys are bad": They always have been. Everyone thinks so. It's the way it's always been. And considering how sex-crazed we stereotypical straight men are, those gay guys must be after every guy they look at. Reasoning for "Gay girls are good": Wait.. [i]two[/i] girls?.. in the same place?.. at the same time?.. doing what?!? *grabs popcorn*.. Just to be clear on that.. that's based on this particular group of people I knew.. who called women "it" (as opposed to "her"), hated any music by black people because "it's black (the actual word is stronger than "black, and is censored on here) ****", and supported the BNP.. (if you're not british you may not know what this is.. think "KKK" kind of thing, but more political about the way they do things..) With regards to the whole "bigger sin" issue that JC pointed out... I'm not typing up a whole new rant, I'm gonna copy an old one you can find in my "real world" blog.. [quote][i]Originally posted in Real World[/i] Remember the parable of the field?.. I really don't think it was called that, but then I'm just reciting from memory.. A man owned a field, and went out to find people to work in it. Some started at the beginning of the day, some came in the middle, some came right at the end and only did an hour of work, but they all worked till the end of the day. The owner paid them all one silver coin. The first workers protested "Why are you paying them the same as us, when we've worked all day". the owner replied "I will do with my money what I wish". (very short version from memoey- likely to be inaccurate in details but same general point) That parable is essentially saying "it doesn't matter when you decide to come and give yourself to God, either way you'll get the same reward". The only necessity is that you do actually find God, there are no other restrictions, despite those that people want to be there, such as: People who are evil: Already been through that.. God forgives all Prostitutes/Sexual Sinners: Jesus talked to a few. You know what he did? *voice from back*: damn them to hell?.. Not quite. He talked to them. He forgave them. He showed interest in them when no-one else would. (and because that's covered, I won't go into this too far) Homosexuals: Jesus never talked to a homosexual. Hence they seem such easy "prey" for some preachers when it comes to talking about sin. Some of the few things in the bible relating to this issue are: The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah- which is often quoted but I don't actually count as related to this issue. What happened here was not what we see as homosexuality today. A whole town of men demanding that the two men (Which happened to be Angels) staying with Lot would come out so they could "have sexual intercourse" with them. Somehow I think the language would have been more "colourful" than that. That's pretty much what we consider gang-rape these days, which isn't quite the same thing. The rules in Exodus/Leviticus (I forget which)- "Any man who has sexual intercourse with another man should be put to death" or something like that. The thing is, since Jesus never came across a homosexual, it's near impossible to find a related counter-scripture to anyone who damns homosexuals because of it. but what we do know is that he came across several people who should be put to death by the same set of rules, and he forgave them. So why not homosexuality? If we were to truly ask "What Would Jesus Do", as so many wristbands ask, what would we find? I recently read a short book, not on this particular issue, but where Jesus came down to Earth again (it wasn't about the second coming, it was kind of like if the first time happened again, today), and went to a certain church in England. About half way through, a homosexual member of another congregation urgently wants to speak to Jesus to sort his life out, and to seek help. He's always been taught that it was wrong, and is ashamed to talk to his church leaders about it. So what does Jesus do? He doesn't even quote anything related to the issue. He doesn't quote scripture at all. He talks to the man. Asks him about himself, and generally shows that he cares. he then arranges to play pool in the pub with him at a later date. I was seriously.. not exactly "moved" but "wowed" by that when I read it.. because that is exactly what Jesus would do, and I never quite realised. So yeah.. there really are NO restrictions at all, other than knowing God.[/quote] I'm not getting into a debate about whether that's right or not- but that's the standpoint most Christians should have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkai Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Hmm.. Actually, some of my female friends think that two guys gettin it on is exy/a turn on, and that to girls gettin it on is wrong.. I think it is just your sexual preference and stuff making you have that opinon.. ]I think that maybe even if you think one is sexy and one isn't, it's just hormones, it doesn't mean you accept the fact either. Anyway, I think either you accept both or you accept neither, though you may be turned on by one. I think you can still think that watching to guys gettin it on is kinda gross since your not into that thing, but still saccept it. You just don't anna, y'know, [b]watch[/b] it. That's juts my opinon though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 I wanted to mention on a side note that christians do believe in two different types or categories of sins... venial sins and cardinal sins. The venial sins are less important things and cardinal sins are those mortal sins that "will send you to hell" or something like that. I believe it comes from dante when he went to write the inferno and he had to come up with a distiction between sins like theft and murder. Just thought you guys would like to hear that. Any way, I wanna say that the only prejudice I have seen first hand was from a homosexual in my direction because of the assumption that I was a stereotypical male who hated anything that wasnt exactly like myself... I dont hold that against anyone though because that is just a stupid thing to do. I have seen plenty of prejudice towards "gays" on a national or international level, but that is what anyone who keeps up with the news or any sort of "socially aware" media. I also most of all wanna say its pretty rude to consider someone "too damn arrogant for their own good" simply because they openly admit that the idea of 2 women together is a cliche (which it is) and that the idea has no more effect on said persons sexual erousal than a single girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]I wanted to mention on a side note that christians do believe in two different types or categories of sins... venial sins and cardinal sins. The venial sins are less important things and cardinal sins are those mortal sins that "will send you to hell" or something like that.[/B][/QUOTE] It all depends what you mean by "Christian". No offence to Catholics, but they invented a lot of traditions and beliefs along the way which are a load of.. yeah.. I'll not elaborate on what they are.. but I consider them less "leading to God" and more "in the way of God". Jesus stated clearly that all can be forgiven regardless of their sins. If some twelfth century guy says it's all a matter of magnitude, I'd suggest he thought into the whole forgiveness thing a bit more.. well I [i]would[/i], but he's dead.. so yeah.. PS Gokents: this isn't meant to say "you're wrong", but "not all Christians believe that" ;) with regards to discrimination against homosexuals.. yeah, there is a lot.. I knew a guy at my high school who eventually came out. Literally overnight, his only friends were me, my friend Pete, and the girls in our group. In comparison, before that he was in our "group" of about 20 or so people (not everyone knew each other really well but we were all friends, in a british kind of way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [color=#808080]I think the issue is pretty simple. Straight males like the idea of two women because it's a kind of threesome situation (even though two lesbians couldn't care less about a guy, which makes that idea moot anyway). The males who think two lesbians are hot yet can't tolerate male/male relationships are actually [i]not[/i] more tolerant of lesbians. They are simply attracted to them. That's the only difference. If those two lesbians wanted to adopt a child or get married, they'd be viewed with the same horror and prejudice that a male/male couple would. The fundamental prejudices are always the same. I view the current situation with gays as a mirror of the 1960's with blacks. Gays are just starting to gain rights and tolerance in the world; but there are many who are prejudice against gays because they don't understand (and thus are afraid) of a sexuality that isn't their own. It's no different from racial discrimination. In the 50's and 60's, racists used religion and other points of reference to justify their prejudice. Over time, that became clearly unacceptable. The same will inevitably happen with homosexuality, as society continues to develop and become more educated with each generation. Prejudice of homosexuality (like racism) is based upon ignorance. All prejudice is based upon ignorance. If you're ignorant of someone else (either their race, sexuality, religion, culture etc), then you're more likely to be suspicious and less tolerant. So the whole concept of lesbians being more accepted than gays is really a misnoma. There is no greater level of acceptance -- it's just that the sexual overtones of such relationships interest straight males...and therefore that tends to overshadow the very real prejudice that does exist. Generally speaking, I think it's quite obvious that nobody should be hated or excluded based upon their natural genetics. If you're born black/white/asian/hispanic, gay/straight/bi, it shouldn't matter. But it [i]does[/i] matter to those who are ignorant. And it will always matter until education (and thus social standards) improve. Anyway, that's my summary on the situation. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domon Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [COLOR=blue]I have no problem with people being gay or bisexual, but in the town i go to school in there is this guy who pickets about people who are gay or what not, he's simply disgusting. You know that boy that was brutally murdered up in i think it was Minnesota or Wisconsin one of the two, but anyways at this kids funeral this guy went up there and pickted, i thought that man was simply disgusting for doing that, i mean come on can't you let the poor boy rest in peace?? But anyways i have to agree with most of you, its stupid that a guy goes all into horny, lesbian fantasy mode but when he meets a guy who is gay he goes into his "OMG! I'm like so offended blah, blah, blah." mode. In short i really don't care what a person's sexual orientation is. Everyone is cool. [/COLOR] ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Well then deary. Lets see what my strange and insanely bipolar mind thinks about this. I personally dont really care what your sexual preference is. if a gay guy hits on me, he's gonna get shot or something. if youa a flamboyantly gay guy, i can resist to make fun of every little "gay" thing you do. it's just the sarcastic ******* inside of me. but otherwise, i dont care. I personally find that the act of gay male sex is disgusting, but hey, if it turns you on, go for it. lesbian sex, it's interesting, kinda weird to think about, but meh. I dont necessarily like it, but w/e. I'm not gonna come donw on you for it, unless it's totally obvious that your a lesbian, therefore, i will make side comments. Society's veiw is really pointless. Who cares what society thinks. I also figure that if i guy likes to watch lesbian action, and a girl likes to watch gay male action, let them. Who cares. EDIT:[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B][color=darkblue]Also, I'd like to point out that homosexuality is a lot less "choice" than it is the nature of the person. I have yet to meet someone who just "decided" to be gay. [/color] [/B][/QUOTE] It's true, there have been studies done on the brain waves and patterns of gay people. There is an "abnormal" function going on up there, so says science, however, it doesn't start from birth. your not born gay, it's a decision you make. However early you make it, it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B] Sorry again. [/B][/QUOTE] You shouldn't apologize for such a truthful and blunt opinion. :) As for my opinion I as a girl think it is more acceptable to society to have two girls instead of two guys. Is it fair? Of course not. Is it reality? Of course it is. I hate the fact that homosexuals are discriminated against at all. It is just very sad and stupid. I have a lot of gay friends and they aren't dirty or diseased sluts. They are intelligent human beings with a valid opinion and a lot to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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