Defcon5 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Girls enjoy man on man just as much as men enjoy woman on woman there just afraid to say it because then they would sound perverted. Kind of like if a guy has sex he's prasied and if a girl has sex she's a whore. It's really funny at school watching guys call girls whores when they've done more then some of the girls have. It's like someone said before, it a male dominated society. Unfortunatly most of the males are "typical" males. For example this kid I know, he seriously hates homosexuals. He says horrible things about them ane means it. It's one thing to joke around (even that's not right but it's not as bad) but he hates this one homosexual kid (only one who has actually come out at my school) and he has never even spoken to him. Sometimes I just wanna punch him in the face for saying things like that. I've talked to this kid and there is nothing wrong with him. He's pretty cool. It's people like him that make men look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vegitto4 [/i] [B]It's true, there have been studies done on the brain waves and patterns of gay people. There is an "abnormal" function going on up there, so says science, however, it doesn't start from birth. your not born gay, it's a decision you make. However early you make it, it doesn't matter. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=#808080]Actually, there are no studies that conclude sexuality as being something you choose in life. In fact, all evidence points to the contrary. The human genome study has been one of the most important scientific projects in this area. As with heterosexuality, nobody knows "when" the body activates human sexuality as such. Presumably when you're born, you have no sexuality at all. But like your blonde hair or your blue eyes, your sexuality is embedded in your genetic code. Do you, as a heterosexual, sit up one morning and decide to be that way? No. The same concept cannot be applied to homosexuality either. There is also nothing abnormal about homosexuality. That's a total myth. Homosexuality also does not occur exclusively in human beings; it is present in many other species on the planet. This is one example that indicates that sexuality isn't a human-specific mental issue.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conpiracymonki Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [b][size=1] Our school is all boys, and in the whole school (of over 1000), only 2 guys have actually said that they are gay. One of them used to get picked on before, but I guess everyone just realised that he wasn't in any way different apart from that, and that he wouldn't try and hit on anybody. The other guy is a fairly close friend, and only just recently said that he was. Since he 'came out', no one's picked on him or treated him any differently than before (from what I've noticed). So I guess our school's attitude towards homosexuality is quickly changing too.[/b][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Well, I have my religious beliefs that I don't need to state again. I disagree with homosexuality, however, the idea that someone I know is gay doesn't bother me. So long as they understand my position and don't infringe upon it, I won't infringe upon theirs. In my experience, most are understanding enough. I'm not turned on by lesbians at all, and I never was--even before I became a Christian. That's just not one of my buttons. Again, I don't have a problem with homosexuals. I try to have respect for the beliefs of everyone, generally. I only ask the same for me. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Ok I'm gonna try and get my thoughts out. I know how scary it is. Ok personally I don't really understand it to much, two girls never a turn on for me. I think that straight guys find it "Hot" or whatever when two girls get on eachother because its two girls. They find one girl attractive, and then they get two. More is better. In todays society (sp?) More is better. So why not like two girls, instead of one? I'm not sure if that made sense, and thats just a guess really. Discrimination? I see it/get it all the time. I mean one for a bi/lesbian would be when a guy asks you to kiss another girl. I'm not saying you're bi/lesbian Lady_M. Thats just a common one I see. They already get turned on by it and they think that all lesbians/bis will be up and willingly to kiss someone. They don't think that a kiss might mean something to someone. Another one (A classic) is in the showers/ locker room. Ok guys seem to be major homophobes. I mean its amazing how many times I'll go into the shower and EVERYONE leaves the showers. I mean I can understand that they might be un-comfortable about me being in there, but A)I don't find ANY of them attrractive... B)They don't have to make such a big deal about it C)They don't have to talk about me when I'm getting out of the shower and D)They could just tell me that they are un-comfortable and I'd be glad to wait for them to finish. Simple as that. I think all in all the stereotype with bi/lesbians is they are just that more kinky. They think that all of them just want sex. This probably has alot to do with the pornography out today. I'm not sure. Although I've been told when I've kissed a guy before that it was a "major turn on to the other girls." So I wouldn't really just limit this to lesbians. It happens with the guys to, of course thats just from my expierences. I just think that "HLA" has been inflated by the media. I personally think its sick. Two girls having sex is as intimate as a boy and a girl having sex. And like you said its not really a choice. Its nature. So on the contrary to what JCBaggee said. It is completely natural! Did any of that make sense? *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 AHHHHH NO!!!!!!! It's not natural. Sorry if I start contridicting myself, but i'm hyper so i am slightly flipping out over small things. Simple, yet slightly vulgar if you want to take it that way explanation. Your *** is an exit only hole. Plain and simple. Also, the girls parts, which i dont feel like typing for i fear abuse from mods**dodges mod rod** is supposed to have a biological part inserted only and certain times, not one made from plastic!!!!! So it's not natural. if it was natural, all guys would be gay all girls would be gay. We aren't, therefore, it's not. We were not made for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven's Cloud Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [color=indigo]I don't really think that people view lesbians any diffrent then male homosexuals. Most men aren't even aroused by the idea of two women getting it on, they just enjoy the thought that maybe those two women will give them an invite (at least that is my take on it...by the way, if you are one of two attractive lesbians involved in making out with another attractive lesbian, feel free to give me an invitation...on second thought, don't; I have enough trouble dealing with one girl at a time :p).[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vegitto4 [/i] [B]AHHHHH NO!!!!!!! It's not natural. Sorry if I start contridicting myself, but i'm hyper so i am slightly flipping out over small things. Simple, yet slightly vulgar if you want to take it that way explanation. Your *** is an exit only hole. Plain and simple. Also, the girls parts, which i dont feel like typing for i fear abuse from mods**dodges mod rod** is supposed to have a biological part inserted only and certain times, not one made from plastic!!!!! So it's not natural. if it was natural, all guys would be gay all girls would be gay. We aren't, therefore, it's not. We were not made for that. [/B][/QUOTE] What I met was that guys falling in love with each other is as natural as a guy falling in love with a girl. Homosexuality has been around as long as heterosexuality, so how could it NOT be natural? And if other species do it, I don't see how it can't be natural. It may not be reproductively naturally, but its still natural! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Hmm...Let me think up a good post.... Okay, even though I wish gay people (both men and women) were born straight, I refuse to ever discriminate one of either sex. In fact, I consider people who do discriminate [b]pure, living garbage[/b], and I'd kill all of them if I could (and if I weren't Christian). There are some people at school which seem to be gay, but I don't really care if they are or not. I will look at them through the same eyes. You know what I say to the intolerant people to make them open their eyes? [i]"Straight guys like girls. Gay guys don't like girls. That means, more girls for us."[/i] Believe me, that works on lots of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celia Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [color=0099FF] [size=1]I don't have a problem with that but honestly I found it irritating because people gets wild and start doing unappropriate things in the public.[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Ok heres my outlook.. this will be short People at school tal kabout htis all the time We have 2 bi sexual girls at our school.. and ALL the guys thing its soooo cool that 2 girls kiss eachother but then they flip out when a girl hipes in and goes "Theres nothing wrong with a girl kissign a girl and theres nothing wrong with a guy kissing a guy... you boys need to grow up... its the way of life... some of us chose different paths then others. It...is all normal.. just like you chose what your type of music is.. wether rock or rap.... or food.... veggies or fruit.. you boys need to grow up and stop dissing it all....how would you like it if most of the world was gay but you were stright and they acted like you are... you wouldent be to happy about it at all" ok a bit of that i added in there but same thing... I have no problem with any of it.. heck.... i like someone who is bi *rolls eyes* a few of us knwo who it is and a few dont which is why i dont say names and i have a few gay friends... i hate how the rest of the world things its soo....wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [color=ff00cc] [size=1]I have absolutely no problem with people being Bi, Gay, or Lesbian. Alot of times, people use the word 'gay' as meaning 'stupid', and that's really not very funny to me. I actually find that quite childish when people just run around saying, 'you're gay!' just like, 'you're stupid'. It may be a choice for people to be Bi or homosexual, but alot of times, a girl may be born with boy hormones, or a boy with a girl's. Sometimes they're just naturally born that way. Besides, it shouldn't matter in a friendship of what sex they're attracted to anyway. Although... I hate it when people say they're bi/homosexual just to get attention, and then say it's not true. I've had someone at my school do that two years ago, except he was in the seventh grade at the time. People shouldn't see people differently just because of that. That's pretty much discrimination, and not very different than racially judging people.[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vegitto4 [/i] [B]AHHHHH NO!!!!!!! It's not natural. Sorry if I start contridicting myself, but i'm hyper so i am slightly flipping out over small things. Simple, yet slightly vulgar if you want to take it that way explanation. Your *** is an exit only hole. Plain and simple. Also, the girls parts, which i dont feel like typing for i fear abuse from mods**dodges mod rod** is supposed to have a biological part inserted only and certain times, not one made from plastic!!!!! So it's not natural. if it was natural, all guys would be gay all girls would be gay. We aren't, therefore, it's not. We were not made for that. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=#808080]That is the most ill-informed, ridiculous, offensive tripe that I've ever read in my life. How dare you say that it's not natural because your *** is an "exit only" hole. I could sit here and tell you about all the [i]straight[/i] couples that do that, but I won't. Get your damn brain out of the gutter for a second. Why does this discussion always have to degenerate into a physical description of sexual acts? That's got nothing to do with it! Your concept that all guys would be gay and all girls would be gay if it were natural is, put frankly, ridiculous. That's like saying that we'd all have black skin if it were natural. Do you see how utterly [i]stupid[/i] and inflammatory that kind of comment is? Your entire argument here is based on prejudice and absolute rudeness. You've not even attempted to provide any facts whatsoever; your insane tyrade about genitalia and pointless logic only [i]proves[/i] that you have no interest in the biology or the emotion involved -- you're simply thinking of it in terms of intercourse and such. This thread is not even about intercourse or sex. It's about the way homosexuals are viewed. I recommend that you read the initial post before you spout off like that again. Furthermore, I'd like to remind you that NOBODY began talking about specific sexual practices until you started spilling rubbish in your post. Isn't it funny that ignorant people who are hateful use specific sexual references to advance their cause? That's like casting doubt on a particular race because a certain number of them drive a car -- driving a car isn't natural, it's synthetic. Is driving a car horrible, too? You have no right to judge what people do in their bedroom. And you have [i]absolutely[/i] no right to suggest that just because someone does something that you dislike, that they themselves (and their very emotions) are unnatural. I can't believe that you have the nerve to actually try and tell people that their feelings of compassion and love are unnatural -- if you and your wife had oral sex, how would you view me if I told you "that's not natural, you can't make babies that way"? Man...just get your mind [i]away[/i] from your crotch and use whatever brain power exists to make some logical judgements here. How can anyone make comments like that and expect to retain even a shred of dignity? I think people can just your post for themselves...but I recommend that you don't post anything that offensive [i]again[/i]. I can tell you that at the very least, that single post has utterly killed any respect I have ever had for you as a person. And I've never said that to anyone before.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B][color=#808080]That is the most ill-informed, ridiculous, offensive tripe that I've ever read in my life. How dare you say that it's not natural because your *** is an "exit only" hole. I could sit here and tell you about all the [i]straight[/i] couples that do that, but I won't. Get your damn brain out of the gutter for a second. Why does this discussion always have to degenerate into a physical description of sexual acts? That's got nothing to do with it! Your concept that all guys would be gay and all girls would be gay if it were natural is, put frankly, ridiculous. That's like saying that we'd all have black skin if it were natural. Do you see how utterly [i]stupid[/i] and inflammatory that kind of comment is? Your entire argument here is based on prejudice and absolute rudeness. You've not even attempted to provide any facts whatsoever; your insane tyrade about genitalia and pointless logic only [i]proves[/i] that you have no interest in the biology or the emotion involved -- you're simply thinking of it in terms of intercourse and such. This thread is not even about intercourse or sex. It's about the way homosexuals are viewed. I recommend that you read the initial post before you spout off like that again. Furthermore, I'd like to remind you that NOBODY began talking about specific sexual practices until you started spilling rubbish in your post. Isn't it funny that ignorant people who are hateful use specific sexual references to advance their cause? That's like casting doubt on a particular race because a certain number of them drive a car -- driving a car isn't natural, it's synthetic. Is driving a car horrible, too? You have no right to judge what people do in their bedroom. And you have [i]absolutely[/i] no right to suggest that just because someone does something that you dislike, that they themselves (and their very emotions) are unnatural. I can't believe that you have the nerve to actually try and tell people that their feelings of compassion and love are unnatural -- if you and your wife had oral sex, how would you view me if I told you "that's not natural, you can't make babies that way"? Man...just get your mind [i]away[/i] from your crotch and use whatever brain power exists to make some logical judgements here. How can anyone make comments like that and expect to retain even a shred of dignity? I think people can just your post for themselves...but I recommend that you don't post anything that offensive [i]again[/i]. I can tell you that at the very least, that single post has utterly killed any respect I have ever had for you as a person. And I've never said that to anyone before.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] I just gained so much respect for you James. I know I've had alot for you before, but some how its been raised to a new standard. That post, it made me smile. Don't ask me how, but it did! I totally agree with you, on what you said. The whole homosexual thing makes me upset. Why does it matter. Whats it anyones business whether I kiss a guy or a girl. The only person who has the right to know this is myself and the person I kissed. I don't agree with anyone that discriminate. But thats just my oppinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I don't really have any hatred for any of them., I just prefer some more (lesbians). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 The way I see it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Gays, Lesbians, or Bisexuals. Be it 'in the genes' or not, higher-order emotions, like love, go past that. It's the PERSON a person falls in love with, not that person's body, regardless of if that was how it started anyway. If that person shares the same gender, than so be it. Here's a little test for your emotions: If your best friend suddenly admited he/she was gay/lesbian, would you reject her as a friend for that? For thier *feelings*? If that answer is yes, I suggest you take a long, hard look at your morals. That's how I've come to reach my view. I'm a straight, teenage boy, see. Gays/Lesbians, even as I defend them here, are kinda creepy to me. I will never hold them in disrespect for that, however. If I do hate a Gay/Lesbian/Bi, it will because of other things, things I would hate ANBODY for. If *my* best friend admitted he was gay, I would back him 100%. Though...if said friend said he loved ME, THERE's the galactic conundrum. I doubt I could comprehend the gravity of THAT situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I just wanna stress again that I also have no hate for anyone... no matter what the situation... well maybe some of the ignoramus fools that speak of politics in an uninformed way. Anyway, my point is that I have never hated on any gays or minorities, but my whole life I have had those same people stereotype me and treat me as a racist or a "homophob." I just cant stand when people get on my case for things I never did. (that hasnt happend on the boards in this thread) I just think its best to leave sexuality alone when it comes to showing other people. I mean, leave it in the bed room for god's sake. I am more tired of gay pride rallies than I am kkk rallies because I dont have a reason to hate any one who is gay, where as when I see the kkk it gives me hours of heated debate. All I could suggest is that if people of homosexual preferrence want to begin the assymilation process, I would personally start by dropping all the damn attention seeking rallies, protest and hate for people like me who are constantly stereotyped. Keep in mind that I also dislike just about every protest I see simply because I dislike loud mouths. (thats who I see at rallies) I have already made my opinions on the "cliches" of two women and one man clear, so thats no longer an issue for me. But I did notice the comments about the idea of what is natural... That is sorta a thing of personal opinion if you ask me. I think just about everything is natural because nothing in the world is not of this earth. I mean, even street lights were natural elements at some time. So take that as you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [color=#808080]It's not about assimilation, gokents. It's about civil rights. As a white straight male, you don't have that problem. However, I do agree with your point -- all the leather/fleshy parades are just stupid in my opinion. They don't further anyone's cause -- they only set it back. It'd be nice to see some more legitimate forms of protest, I think.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Assimilation is becoming part of something. I believe the goal of "gays" is to become an accepted part of American culture. Once we are all accepted civil rights will not be a problem. I want to mention for the masses that you (james) and I have contacted each other via IM and worked out all misconceptions. I wanted to post for the masses in this reply that I, as a white straight male who has never discriminated or prejudiced anyone, noticed the mistreatment I have recieved the same way anyone who has not lied, notices it when they are called a liar. My plea in my above post was for homosexuals to go about their pursuit for civil rights in a more effective way. Not for them to let go of their ideologies and become part of a larger culture. I believe that a large sum of us feel the same way... let anyone live the way they wish. Some of us disagree about that, but in the end, there is no way to stop a person from living as they wish. So I ask to all who are homosexual, not to change your life style, but to change your angle of approach towards your end goal. I can say first hand that it would persuade me more to support the political and cultural desires of homosexuals if "gays" would respect me as I have respected them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asphyxia Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]Keep in mind that I also dislike just about every protest I see simply because I dislike loud mouths. (thats who I see at rallies) [/B][/QUOTE] [color=darkred]There are, of course, exceptions. For instance, the women's protest held against war in [I think] The Middle East somewhere. The entire time they were silent. I liked that idea. ^.^ I'm pretty sure it gained a lot more attention than the loud ones people hold. Anyway, homosexuality isn't something I actually [i]think[/i] about much. If someone is homosexual, then fine. I don't mind. They can be that. People are who they are. Full stop, end of paragraph.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamc2 Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B][COLOR=darkblue] Society's perspective--two girls getting it on: sexy, a turn on. Two guys getting it on: nasty, perverted. [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE] *sighs* Yeah, total A-Crowder gossip and hypocritical rubbish. 'Blah blah blah, did you hear about the new boarder? [i]Yeah[/i] she's a bi!' *groan* -.- Well when I give my two cents the response is: [size=1][b]'dude! Think of the possibilities!'[/b] 'Like what?' *eyebrow rises higher* [b]'C-mon, she's bi! Imagine her as a girlfriend! Maybe she'd let you w-'[/b] *smacks him uppa the head* 'You're a sad little boy y'know that? You're only 15 for heaven's sakes!' *smacks him uppa the head and walks away* [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]I, as a white straight male who has never discriminated or prejudiced anyone,[/B][/QUOTE] I doubt that.. everyone either discriminates or prejudges at some point in their life, because none of us are perfect.. I think what you mean is that you try your best not to, which is pretty much all anyone can ask for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Chicken Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 personally, I see no problem... If anyone thinks it's sick or wrong you can die in a car crash. I don't like people who don't accept people because of WHAT they like. I can deal with people not accepting people for what they ARE like, but no preferences should come into it... I think anyone who actually has the guts to admit it to themselves, let alone anyone else, should be as equally rewarded as any war-hero... Its a fecking big thing, I can imagaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duo Maxwell Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I have a huge amount of respect for those that "come out" cause I know it's super hard to tell people. They worry about rejection and people talking about them, I still worry about it. If one of my friends came to me and said they were Bi/gay/lesbian I'd feel happy for them, hug them and congradulate them. Just because they like people of the same sex, or both sexes doesn't make them any different to anyone else. They are normal people and they have the same sort of feelings as everyone else. I mean you'd get upset if people were talking about you behind your back, and so do they. I don't like it when I hear people talking about hoe much they hate gay's and stuff, mostly I hear it from guy's and most of them like the thought of lesbians too. I end up yelling at them and telling them to shut up about things they don't know. After all loving someone of the same sex seems normal and most comfortable to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Actually Dues ex machina... I wanted to come back and make the quick comment that I appreciate your opinion about "trying our best is the most we can ask for" but I actually really do feel that my comment should stand as it was said. See. Prejudice- an unfavorable opinion formed before hand without knowledge or thought. Discrimination- to make a distinction based on prejudice. With those definitions laid out, I want to say that it is very possible for all of us to live our lives without ever discriminating or showing prejudice to anyone. I believe that there is a major difference between getting mad or disliking someone... and being prejudiced or discriminatory. So once again, with those facts in mind, I believe my original comment stands. Of course, then again, if you take my opinions of those I dislike and try to use them as a form of prejudice you have to also take into account that most of the opinions that I (as well as many on the boards) have made, were based on the actions or opinions of the "disliked" parties. Hence, the negative opinions are informed and not based on anything in the form of prejudice or ignorance. I also wanna stress the point that never showing prejudice or discrimination does not at all make anyone perfect. I am far, far, far, from perfect... I just happen to not have the prejudice thing working against me. So remember, prejudice is based on having a negative opinion of something without any basis for that opinion. Not simply having a negative opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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