Guest cloricus Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Okay. Point taken. Though how am I saying there would be more gay people in the world? In fact I think I said nothing of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [color=#808080]You said "if that were true, there would be a lot more gay people". There is no logic to that statement. I assume you were referring to my post with that first part of your post.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Well I personally don't know the figures for gay/lesbians in the community. Say that 10% of the population was gay, and that a few of those gay people do have kids. Wouldn't that be a very ineffective method? (Btw 10% sounds very high to me for world stats, is that just Australia or the world?) Surely a disease would do much better, or some thing genetic that killed 4 out of 10 people? 10% isn't much at all and therefore ineffective... Four out of ten would put a cap on the population and leave it with the ability to grow and be sizable. Though I'm very egar to hear where I'm wrong in this. As long as it's not just "how wrong" like can I get some facts or some thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duo Maxwell Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i] [B]They are different aren't they? [/B][/QUOTE] The only thing that's differnt about Gay/Bi people is the fact that they like people of the same/both sexes. Other than that they are normal people with the exact same feelings and organs as anyone else. They don't deserve to be discriminated against because of their sexuality, you can't control it. They don't choose to be gay/bi they just are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 You haven't heard lee talk on about what him and his boyfriend got up to. *Shudders* I've never seen a channel clear out so fast... I can live with the idea of gay people but truly I don?t/never want to hear about that stuff again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [font=gothic][color=crimson]Just a note on the disease comment. There is quite probably several diseases lying dormant that are quite capable of doing that. But despite that, this is a more effective method. Simply because a disease can too easily run rampant. That 4 out of 10 could too quickly become 8 out of ten, if not higher, so nature builds up immunities. The Bubonic Plague decimated Europe, but these days, an outbreak of that magnitude would be unheard of. (I'm only talking about the Bubonic Plague here, not all diseases) Uncontrollable factors is something nature doesn't like. So it doesn't let them affect if possible. That theory is generally accepted, anyway. Chances are, the most effective method would be an earlier death rate. Actually, we're meant to die a lot earlier than we do. We just went and slapped nature in the face. God bless the Crash Test Dummies...[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]Well I personally don't know the figures for gay/lesbians in the community. Say that 10% of the population was gay, and that a few of those gay people do have kids. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=ff00cc] [size=2]1) Gay/Lesbian couples can't have children, only adopt. 2) Even so, your sexuality has to do with your hormones. People are born that way. I still don't understand what you're saying. oO; *walks away confused*[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [color=red] When will this thread die? Can someone please throw me how long [i]half-life[/i] lasts? O.O' :Goes and looks half-life up: [b]Half-life:[/b] [i]The time required for the potency of a chemical, drug or radioisotope to fall to half of its potency or to be eliminated from the body. For example, if the potency (or amount in the body) is 32 with a half-life of 10 days, the potency (or amount left in the body) will be 16 in 10 days and then will drop by half each of the following 10 days to 16, then 8, then 6, etc.[/i] All this served was to further confuse me...ah well, I just hope half-life isn't [i]that[/i] long, or else maybe this thread will become gone with some magic of my sleeve. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i] [B]It's not anything like who likes chocolate, and what makes it not fair? They are different aren't they? [/B][/QUOTE] re-read my post and get a ******* IQ point or something. Yes. They are different. Well guess what? It's people like you, who hate everything "different" that is the main problem with the world. And you know what, that word "different" is just about the most moronic, blind, ignorant, and misinformed reasoning I have EVER heard. Why?.. because EVERYONE is different. We categorise things far too much.. like Hair colour, eye colour, height, IQ, "pretty/ugly", fat/thin, male/female.. The problem isn't the actual categorisation in itself but the discrimination it brings about. People are different from you, so you treat them differently. The biggest differences are those where there are only two options, such as gender and sexuality, and kind of skin clour. Yes, there are lots of different shades of skin colour, but with "white" as the majority, it tends to be separated into "white" and "coloured", or used to. And guess what? All three of those were, and are subject to discrimination. There are a hell of a lot of people who discriminate against gay people because they are "different", women because they are "inferior" (but that is just another word for different, in a bad way), and coloured people because they are also "different". And guess what? [b]YOU ARE DIFFERENT TOO[/b] the problem is, that [i]you[/i] are comparing the whole world to yourself, and making you judgements of "same" and "different" in that way. And that is an incredibly egotistical and uninformed thing to do. One of the first things we're taught is that "we're all different". Lots of people seem to disagree with that statement, but they're as misinformed as they claim that everyone else is, because we [b]are[/b] all different, some people just have one HELL of a hard time accepting it.. just get it throught your thick damn skull that they're no more or less different than you. That doesn't mean they're not different, it means that you [b]are[/b] aswell. [b]Note to mitch:[/b] if you take a person posting something as an event, then a thread's half life will be the time it takes for the thread to be half as "alive" (as in, only half as many people posting in one day/week) oh and, wherever you got that definition of half-life from, there's a mistake in it. Just wondering if anyone else can spot it.. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina [/i] [B] there's a mistake in it. Just wondering if anyone else can spot it.. heh [/B][/QUOTE] they said 16 twice. [quote]the potency (or amount left in the body) will be 16 in 10 days and then will drop by half each of the following 10 days to 16, then 8, then 6, etc.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinata Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]This will be a shock to many lol but I don't find two lesbians getting it on at all arousing. Many times in pornography, those two girls you see getting it on are not "lesbians"... in many cases they are doing it plainly for the money, and let me tell you, any straight person would do the same for the amount of money they get paid. [/B][/QUOTE] I agree with TN. ANd in a way I would do that too, If I were pad millions to sleep with a girl I would that ould be my job. And Maybe..just maybe there are a few men who might do that, but most men I find are comfortable with gay men...as long as they don't hit on them. And n some cases women think the same way. You could also pt in in a situtation of a fantasy. I could tell my bf that I'd want to have a threesome with another male, he'd be appauled but if he'd turn around and say the same, but with a femle, he'd want me to be cool with it. I may have gotten off point but you may catch my drift. All I want to say is if you can accept 2 women together, you should be abe to accept 2 men. Although personally feel all signs of affection (besides a quick kiss or hug) should be kept behind closed doors!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted February 19, 2003 Share Posted February 19, 2003 Harry, just b/c someone is different, it doesn't mean people can say "Hey everyone, they're different, lets discrinate against them." If people thought that way, the world would be single people living in their own little houses for their entire lives, because [b]EVERYONE[/b]is different. The very first things we're told is that we are unique and that its a good thing! I, personally, am having trouble sorting out whether I'm gay or not right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subversive Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DuoMax [/i] [B]I, personally, am having trouble sorting out whether I'm gay or not right now! [/B][/QUOTE] I don't believe people are gay. People choose whether or not to do homosexual things but noone is gay. Just my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Being gay is classified by taking apart of those homosexual acts. People are gay. ***** find guys attractive, that makes me gay. ***** finds girls attractive, that makes her a lesbian. I find both equally attractive, that makes me bi. Whether you want to believe it or not, people are gay. Animals are even gay, as this thread has already established. I don't understand how someone could take part of those "homosexual acts" without being gay. As long as money isn't involved, I mean. I guess if you could point out how, I could see your point of view, but right now thats where I stand, from my expierence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subversive Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 What I believe (not dissing anyone personally) is Homosexuality is a sin. Sins are being made due to giving into temptation to the devil. Thus you have the choice whether or not to do this, for it is a choice when he puts this on you. People are not born gay, the Devil sees this as an outlet for sin and tempts people with this. This is just my own personal experiences I get from reading The Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duo Maxwell Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpyderDragon [/i] [B]What I believe (not dissing anyone personally) is Homosexuality is a sin. Sins are being made due to giving into temptation to the devil. Thus you have the choice whether or not to do this, for it is a choice when he puts this on you. People are not born gay, the Devil sees this as an outlet for sin and tempts people with this. This is just my own personal experiences I get from reading The Bible. [/B][/QUOTE] That's just stupid (sorry if that's blunt and I do believe that you're entitled to your opinions), sure it's written in the bible that it's a sin but you do realise by saying that you should also be saying that wearing condoms during sex is wrong as it having sex with out the want for a child. I'd like you to ask yourself something, what would Jesus do if he met a homosexual? He wouldn't turn him away, he'd talk with them and accept them. You are basically saying that it's wrong for people to be true to themselves if they are gay just to go by what the bible say's, God want's us to live our own lives and not try to be perfect in every little way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted February 21, 2003 Author Share Posted February 21, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpyderDragon [/i] [B]I don't believe people are gay. People choose whether or not to do homosexual things but noone is gay. Just my opinion... [/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=darkblue]No one's straight, either. Or bi. We're all just hermaphrodites, or androgynous. ::walks away muttering to herself::[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Duo Maxwell [/i] [B]That's just stupid (sorry if that's blunt and I do believe that you're entitled to your opinions), sure it's written in the bible that it's a sin but you do realise by saying that you should also be saying that wearing condoms during sex is wrong as it having sex with out the want for a child. I'd like you to ask yourself something, what would Jesus do if he met a homosexual? He wouldn't turn him away, he'd talk with them and accept them. You are basically saying that it's wrong for people to be true to themselves if they are gay just to go by what the bible say's, God want's us to live our own lives and not try to be perfect in every little way. [/B][/QUOTE] Actually, the Bible never says sex without the desire for conception is wrong. It simply says sex outside the confines of marriage are wrong. It also never says you can't use birth control. Again, that's all opinion. If you classify using birth control as a form of abortion, that's your business. It's the Catholic denominaation of Christianity that started the thing about sex without desire for conception was a sin. :) Just thought I'd clear that up. And you are right. If Jesus met a homosexual He would minister to them just as He would anyone else. If they chose to refuse Him, then that would be their loss. That's exactly the way I try to model my ministry...after the ministry of Jesus Christ. Also, if you're claiming the God of Christianity as your God, wouldn't it be wise to follow your God's Word? That's directed at your comment about the Bible vs. Being 'true' to yourself. I don't know if the god you're refering to is the God of Christianity or not, but if it is...well, yeah, I don't think I need to be repetative. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShinje Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 All these moronic, pathetic generalisations about christianity in the world are plain BS. Christians are not supposed to judge people, the Bible states if we do, we are subject to judgement. Yet it is those morons who don't read the entire word of God and judge people when it is not their place that people listen to. Incidentaly citing that all christians share a judgemental viewpoint. Some of my best friends are gay too, so that also says alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Exactly my way of thinking, ST. That's why I really wish there weren't so many denominations of Christianity...anyway, we've strayed far from the topic at hand here. Let's get back to it. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I just have one question: you say homosexuality is not natural, but if God didn'tmake people that way, then who did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 You know Duo they're gonna say that its us that ourselves that way. They'll say the devil created sin and we gave in to it. God didn't create it. Thats what they'll say and I disagree with it completely. If it isn't natural then why do dogs and other animals "conduct homosexual activites." I'm pretty sure animals can't sin, so how could it be a sin for a human? Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 [color=ff00cc] [size=1]Well... I don't really think you should try to relate the Bible to Science. They seem to be [i]very[/i] different in history, and I wouldn't suggest trying to compare the two. @.@; Mkay. I learned all about teen health last year, and it talked about hormones, etc, etc. In teen years, girls begin seeing boys a little differently somewhat, and boys begin seeing girls a little differently somewhat. This happens because of hormones. The hormones grow attracted to another sex's hormones. But sometimes, people are born with different hormones. Like, a male may be born with a female's hormones, so therefore, they may become attracted to the same sex. Same deal with females, and if they have some of both, they're bi. This shouldn't be considered unnatural at all. This all has to do with hormones. And, everybody has hormones! >>;;; Sooo... *sits down*[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conpiracymonki Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina [/i] [B]The biggest differences are those where there are only two options, such as gender and sexuality, and kind of skin clour. Yes, there are lots of different shades of skin colour, but with "white" as the majority, it tends to be separated into "white" and "coloured", or used to. And guess what? All three of those were, and are subject to discrimination.[/B][/QUOTE][b][size=1]Wow. I don't think I've ever noticed that before..[/b] That kinda just blew my mind away...[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nezzyjean Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B][COLOR=darkblue]I have yet to meet a girl who had a problem with [i]anybody[/i] being gay, but I've met tons of guys who are seriously threatened by the idea of a gay male coming anywhere near them. Apparently, the idea is totally offensive.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE] I know a straight guy who is ok with gay males..."as long as they don't do their thing around him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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