Anime Natural Talent and Abilities...

[Kent]

I just started thinking about this...

The idea of the natural abilities of gokou in comparison to vegeta.

I think it was in the majin vegeta saga where vegeta said that he could never keep up with gokou because of gokous natural talent and abilities.
It was around the same time he explain his endless training and the above realization, which all led him to the "dark" and becoming the majin vegeta we saw.

What I am thinking about now is how gokou actually might not have had the natural abilities.

This is what I mean...

We dont get to see much of vegetas youth besides the occasional flash back in which the little bratty prince is doing his thing and is constantly being told of his great saiyan blood.

Vegeta was an "A" class saiyan for the most part.

Gokou on the other hand was a little old chesse ball, run of the muck, weakling amongst saiyans... hence his journey to earth.

Heres the thing, while vegeta was living it up as a prince on his own planet with his father the king, he did nothing for all we know. (sure he coulda done something)
But for the most part he wasnt driven to become stronger until freeza got ahold of him.

Then there is gokou...

Training everyday pushing himself to the extreme constantly. Ever since he was tiny the kid was constantly training with his grandpa (allegedly although I dont think we get to see that in db), training with korin, roshi and kami.

Just about every oppenent he could get to he fought in pursuit of becoming stronger and a better fighter.

He was always at it and never gave up.

So, Im thinking that maybe vegeta really is the one with the greater natural talent and gokou just had to work his *** off to get what he got.

What do you guys think?

Was gokou always the low class saiyan that worked his way up while vegeta was born a powerful saiyan?

Or was gokou an underestimated saiyan with the power others could only dream of, while vegeta was just another saiyan of royal blood?

Im not sure, but I think gokou worked for it and vegeta had it from the get go.

Seems to me vegeta just didnt want it as bad as gokou.
But then again, once vegeta met gokou they both increased their powers at just about an even rate.

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]Goku has actually explained this before, & this is my theory.

Goku, upon getting amnesia as a kid, forgot all his "barbaric" Saiya-jin tendencies & learned to live as a human. He had the capacity to love, have compassion, grow emotional attachments, etc. While the Saiya-jins have many honorable characteristics, there is a bit of a difference.

For example, say Goku was losing an important fight. The fate of the world rests upon it. Not only does he remain determined, but he has hope (a very non-Saiya-jin emotion) that good will win in the end & has more incentive because it's not just about winning or losing, but about protecting his loved ones.

With Vegeta, on the other hand, it would be more of a pride issue than anything (there are some exceptions, but this is his basic personality).

Plus, having watched a lot of the original DB, Goku seems to just have more fun with fighting than anything. The fact that Goku remains pretty childlike in his sense of humor & things such as this also makes him a better fighter. He doesn't get all bent out of shape like Vegeta.

Also, Goku gets more powerful out of necessity, where Vegeta just can't stand anyone being more powerful than him (pride again).

Goku has said on numerous occassions that the ultimate power comes from the unification of mind, body, spirit, & [i]emotion[/i] which Vegeta just doesn't have. He's too much of a loose cannon, & Goku is much more in touch with his emotions, while Vegeta denies them a lot.

Actually, I think that if Vegeta had grown up on earth, too, he would be just as powerful as Goku, if not more.[/color]

[Amorphous]

actually, if you have seen the history of bardock movie, you notice they say vegata has trained for like every day of his life, well at least that assumption is made. I'm going to keep this post short but, honestly I think they both worked there asses of for this power, well actually Vegeta did. Goku did to, but he had fun the whole way there, so it may of seemed easier for goku.

As for the being born a higher level saying, I doubt it really, he might of had a higher power level then most, but he unlike most sayins, trained like almost every single hour of every day, without breaks. So he would must of been really strong, he still only reached like 20,000 or something power level by that time though. (when he went to fight goku) So it seems they are pretty much equals. Well except for part of the DB series itself.

[The Merchant]

Plots holes, thats why i dont like the movies. its like theynever happened.
My theory is like any sport out there. when you are a kid you can be exelent in a sport, but when you grow up you see that kids that used to play worst tahn you could got better and better, while you jsut whitered. maybe si like that in the DB world.

[boredchick]

The truth is, the more emotion they express, the more powerful they are. Look at Gohan, for instance. He is only half-saiyan, yet as an 11 or 12 yr. old he was strong enough to defeat Cell. That is much more than Goku could say. Then, there's the carefree Goten, who was a Super Saiyan at a very young age. I agree with the emotion thing. Because Gohan and Goten are half human as well as half saiyan, they have the ability to hope and love, yet they still have the strength of the saiyans.

So, since Goku has lived as a human for most of his life, he might as well be part human. All Vegeta cares about is his ego, which makes him arrogant, and takes away that boost of strength that always seems to come to Goku in the time of need.

[JCBaggee]

[color=red]The younger Gohan and Goten were able to become so much stronger because the standard for power levels had risen by then. My theory is that the stronger the parents, the stronger the kid. Gohan was born before Goku was a Super Saiya-Jin, and as a result Gohan was never too powerful to begin with ('cept for his latent powers). By the time Goten was born, Goku had already achieved Ultra Super Saiya-Jin, and hence he was a bit stronger than Gohan was at the same age.

--Chris[/color]

[boredchick]

yes, that's true as well. I remember my dad (who's totally into DBZ) telling me that, now that you say it. Although, I think if Gohan would have trained more, he definitely would have been the strongest, despite how strong Goku was at the time. He has more hidden ability than the other characters.

[Guest GriffXL]

boredchick and JCBaggee are right. But i also have a theory of my own.After watching the history of bardock and dbz it seems like saiyans who are classified as weaklings or low levels seem to be stronger than the elite saiyans. ex goku vegeta, bardock and some elite dude (lol). Oh and how gohan was never to powerful as a young child thats because he had chi chi as a mother. we must remember that chi chi didnt want gohan fighting but for gohan to have a hidden power far beyond anyone else that shows that he has great potential.For goten chi chi actually allowed trunks to comeover and spar and even she sparred w/ goten.

[SSJ Pud]

Goten and Gohan both had awsome power because of The Mix of human and Sayian backrounds, which produced stonger warriors than either sepretly. (same deal with trunks) I think Vegeta as a boy would have been trained veyer hard, because they would have regonized his strength and made him do it, willing or not. It would not have made sense to waste such amazing potential.

I also agree that Goku had both natureal power, just look at bardock, and that hitting his head helped him channel his energies to become more powerful than Vegeta

[Guest GriffXL]

well theres that and they have feelings. a normal saiyan wouldnt care about anyone except for himself if u look at bardock again they had a little bit of feelings and when he saw his friends dead well u can see where gohan got it from...

[boredchick]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GriffXL [/i]
[B]After watching the history of bardock and dbz it seems like saiyans who are classified as weaklings or low levels seem to be stronger than the elite saiyans. ex goku vegeta, bardock and some elite dude (lol).[/B][/QUOTE]
lol, this is true. Although, I think it's b/c the saiyans who are classified as weaklings try harder than any of the "elites" and since they try harder, they come closer to death. And everybody knows that after a Saiyan has healed from near-death they are stronger than ever. After awhile, they just seem to get stronger than the "elites" b/c they've kept on healing after near-deaths.