Harry Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 They support us in our war against Iraq. We're OK now. It's significant to note the list of countries whose leaders have come out in support of President Bush in this past two weeks. The leaders of the Vilnius Group (Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) have joined the leaders of the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland in supporting President Bush's effort. These nations have a few things in common: all survived decades of totalitarian dictatorship. All know the difference between real dictators and the specious, whiny, self-serving defintion the American Left keeps serving up. And all of them know why they're free of their communist regimes today: because the US and the West met terror (in their case, the terror of totalitarian dictatorship) with strength and resolve. They know the truth when they see it. They join: Italy, Denmark, Spain and Portugal - NATO members with governments that are capable of rationality on this issue. Italy and Spain also have ample experience with terrorism. All four have governments that are far enough to the right to be honest about the issue. The UK and Australia - our staunchest allies, and nations who know the consequences of terror all too well. Turkey, Oman, Jordan, and Kuwait - Muslim nations with strong western ties. (They're soft-pedalling their support - but all three will be on board to some significant degree). Indeed, the question remains: what nations DON'T support us? France - a morally decrepit nation whose economic ties with Iraq render its opinion moot, and Germany, led by a socialist whose support is ebbing fast, in significant part due to the SDP's stance on Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I dont always agree with you harry, but I do like your style. This post is to the point and addresses the current world situation in a way that is good for the first post of what will be without a doubt, a politically charged debate... just what the boards needs. Im gonna let everyone else do the arguing for now, but I will be back if things work out in a way that interest me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 That's actually good to hear. The more support the more of a chance we have of iradicating this plague upon our homes. I'm seriously disappointed by France though. If it wasn't for the US and the British back in WWII, all of their country would be hell****ed about now. Of course, they have to think of their economy. What, with their twenty plus unemploment percentage. Guh. Damn fools. If they helped us out, maybe we'd send them money, or give them a portion of the earnings of oil once captured. As for Germany...this is one of the few times I am sad to say I am of German decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I don't really care to tell you the truth... 750,000 protested in London... 1.4 million protested in Madrid... hundred of thousands of other protested all over the world... a few leaders here and there are nothing compared to the thousands of people who might be going to war for those few leaders. Who's children might go to war for those few leaders. But you know... I'm not going to war... and I think if people want to, then they should go themselves. SO give Mr. Bush a gun. Give Tony Blair a gun and give all those people who want it a gun and have them go. But leave the rest out of it. As far as France goes. Anything America does they don't like... they never have... They are very stubborn and stuck up. Theyd on't like what everyone else does because everyone else is better and they know it. Whats the french word for b*tch? Thats what I'd use to describe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Yea, I'm with tn on this... Its obvious that W. Bush needs to be in the feild with an M-16a2. I mean, its not like we have some sort of volunteer army or anything... I dont think our conscript soldiers should be forced into something like forcing Saddam to dissarm. An obvious standard of war is to send the leader into combat, I mean, we all know that Bill was on the front lines in Somalia and piloting the warplanes while waging war in Kosavo. And I think the most unfortunate thing about this situation is that all of those peace loving souls who protested this weekend are going to be forced into personally fighting a war in Iraq. I feel for them, I really do, they are just so unlucky to be stuck with the burden of fighting a war to uphold the terms of a cease fire that ended a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Hmm, have you thought that France has morals? And they are not prepared to drop them to brown nose bush? I really disagree with the people saying that France and Germany are soft, ARE YOU GOING TO THE WAR? [i][b]NO.[/i][/b] Your going to sit at home and watch those people die on TV. Maybe France and Germany has realised the same as the Australian public (On the most part) has, that "This is not our war." ([I]James before you start discrediting that last comment, state why it is our war.[/I]) Don?t bag other countries because they don?t want to send their men to their deaths. And as far as I know France is not against it. They want all options dismissed before they commit. (Eg more weapons inspectors.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Wow, France is against war because of morals... I thought it had to do with the uncollected millions in economic dealings they have already done with Iraq. I mean, its not like france buys oil from Iraq or anything... Then again, you never know. Maybe the Mirage fighter jets Saddam uses to practice his chemical weapon dispensing sorties aren't from france. Maybe the french are actually into figuring out a way to dodge war the same way they did when they came up with that brilliant idea about giving poland to... oh, I forget his name, it's on the tip of my tounge... oh well, maybe someone else will remember who france tried to appease. This isnt about protesting a war to force Saddam to follow his own words of a peace agrement, this is all about protesting george bush. I think everyone should go and check out what the resolutions call for... I can tell you one thing about them. They don't call for the U.N. to prove Saddam has something and then destroy it for him. They call for Saddam to prove he doesn't have anything. I don't really want this to be another Iraq thread, but I guess it's turning into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Point taken, though England had a big part in the Poland thing... *Jumps down from soap box* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 17, 2003 Author Share Posted February 17, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]Hmm, have you thought that France has morals? And they are not prepared to drop them to brown nose bush? I really disagree with the people saying that France and Germany are soft, ARE YOU GOING TO THE WAR? [i][b]NO.[/i][/b][/quote] When I turn legal age (2 months) I will. [quote][b]Your going to sit at home and watch those people die on TV. Maybe France and Germany has realised the same as the Australian public (On the most part) has, that "This is not our war." ([I]James before you start discrediting that last comment, state why it is our war. Don?t bag other countries because they don?t want to send their men to their deaths. And as far as I know France is not against it. They want all options dismissed before they commit. (Eg more weapons inspectors.) [/B][/QUOTE] That would be a valid comment if it was true. France has said it's willing to protect Iraq with military force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 [color=#808080]A couple of points. 1) How many times do I need to remind people that more and more Iraq topics are not warranted? Harry's first post was good, but it should be confined to our previous thread on the issue. By all means, I encourage Harry to post there. 2) I'm not going to respond to your comment directly, Cloricus. You could use that argument to tell the US that it had no right to defend Europe against the Nazis "Oh, it's not our war". How dismissive. What I will say is that I don't see anyone protesting the brutality of Saddam Hussein. You certainly can't protest that in Iraq, because you'd have your tongue cut out or your limbs sliced off and burnt with hot irons. Gee, what possible reason could we have for removing Saddam? I don't know about you, but I value the innocent Iraqis. They can't liberate themselves. But the financial resources and military resources of my country [i]can[/i]. And that is precisely why it's justified. I don't care as much about Iraq's disregard for international law -- I care more about the plight of the Iraqi citizens. At times like these, I think I have a lot more humanity than those who protested against the war, many of which would have a different opinion if they had sat and spoken to the mother of an Iraqi who had been taken away in the night all because he spoke his mind. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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