Funding pre-college education is money down the drain

[Harry]

Why do people want us to spend more on education? If you consider the facts, the real reason why schools in lower income areas do so poorly is because the kids are lazy, stupid, and mischievous. If you look at black urban culture, it's all about speaking poorly and causing trouble. Then consider the white kids who blindly follow the black guys because MTV told them too, and what you have a recipe for failure. Besides which, if you spend more money on books and technology, what will that accomplish if there is no work ethic? Hell, those books would probably be used as projectiles to be thrown through the monitors of the brand new computers.

American pop culture simply commands the minds of children nowadays, and it is completely based on stupidity, conformity, and complacency. The exception is when a pop culture person feels the need to appear intellectual, then he will rattle off a sentance using lots of six-syllable words that he picked up from watching MTV's real world. This is reflected in schools, where kids strive to be as stupid, lazy and mischievous as possible.

If you want to make good use of money, how about cutting high school down to two years, and sending all those brats to two years mandatory military school? There, they will learn about discipline, respect, and how to take care of themselves. And if they want to bust balls or be lazy, it's pushups for them.

[Guest Jenni]

If I hear the next little bit of ghetto slang in my area, I'm going to flip out. I'm so pissed off by the ignoramouses in my area. My school has to cancel all school sports this year because we can't afford it. Why keep funding for the idiots, it's not like they pay attention anyway? Don't you dare pull out the ******** about how it could help them... Just like how an ebonics class "helps" the 30 year olds pass high school.. It doesn't work and is a waste of money. Military school would help them out so much better than them being forced to learn multiplacation in high school.

[Justin]

Such a negative topic. I think you have to remember those in high school who are willing to learn. Myself, for example. I want very much to graduate having had all the opportunities possible presented to me, and that's only possible through money. I can't help it if there are people in my classes who don't want to be there, I shouldn't have to suffer for their stupidity.

-Justin

[Guest Anakin Solo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]Such a negative topic. I think you have to remember those in high school who are willing to learn. Myself, for example. I want very much to graduate having had all the opportunities possible presented to me, and that's only possible through money. I can't help it if there are people in my classes who don't want to be there, I shouldn't have to suffer for their stupidity.

-Justin [/B][/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you. I am one who is in high school to learn. You two make it sound as if everyone is just plain lazy, least that is what I got from your replies. Besides, I like [b]multiplication[/b].What is wrong with them teaching us that? :p If there are people who don't work, let them not work. It is only hurting themselves.

[Semjaza]

Goddamn, there are a lot of stereotypes in this thread.

[Guest Jenni]

Far better than all the depression threads you guys are pulling. Nothing wrong with using stereotypes, they are used everyday, so don't pull that one either. It's so old and just retarded. I'm not saying everyone isn't willing to learn. I'm talking about the drugged up mindless idiots who waste the teachers time. Those kids don't deserve it. And multiplacation in high school? Try reading the whole post honey

[Guest Anakin Solo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jenni [/i]
[B]Far better than all the depression threads you guys are pulling. Nothing wrong with using stereotypes, they are used everyday, so don't pull that one either. It's so old and just retarded. I'm not saying everyone isn't willing to learn. I'm talking about the drugged up mindless idiots who waste the teachers time. Those kids don't deserve it. And multiplacation in high school? Try reading the whole post honey [/B][/QUOTE]

The whole thing with my multiplication comment, was to show that you have spelled it wrong, twice at that. ;-)

But yet...those depression threads are getting very, very annoying...:/

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]The whole thing with my multiplication comment, was to show that you have spelled it wrong, twice at that. ;-)

But yet...those depression threads are getting very, very annoying...:/ [/B][/QUOTE]

wow... I wished I gave a **** about how i spelled

[Semjaza]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jenni [/i]
[B]Far better than all the depression threads you guys are pulling. Nothing wrong with using stereotypes, they are used everyday, so don't pull that one either. It's so old and just retarded. I'm not saying everyone isn't willing to learn. I'm talking about the drugged up mindless idiots who waste the teachers time. Those kids don't deserve it. And multiplacation in high school? Try reading the whole post honey [/B][/QUOTE]

Again, another stereotype. I don't even post in the depression style threads, let alone created my own. Stop throwing people into groups. Stereotypes might be used all the time, but what in the world does that have to do with anything? Claiming that things should be changed this radically because a minority that is more vocal is screwing up the way you think things should be? Besides, I wasn't even referring to your post as it was.

And honestly, no one sees anything racist about the first post? It seems clear to me by the way that Harry worded this that he obviously sees blacks as the problem, not kids in general. If that isn't what he meant, then perhaps people should go back to school and figure out how to write well and get their points across correctly without resorting to overly negative comments that are obviously designed only to get a rise out of people for attention. I honestly get the sense that he's some elitist bigot who sits around his house judging the world. If this is true or not, of course I don't know... But that's the impression that I know a lot of people are getting.

I don't even care for a response to this. I know it's going to result in nothing but converstational terrorism where people are going to use stupid sleight of mind fallacies, delay tactics, ad hominem variants and everything else to make themselves correct and anyone that defies them wrong.

[Transtic Nerve]

The problem with education is because the state can't afford to make a better school. The reason is because they spend the money on other crap to better themselves and leave the crappy innercity schools to fend for themselves. There's no logic in giving the school with good grades and better foundation and teachers more money when the school that has roaches and walls about to fall down and bad teachers gets nothing at all.

You have to have good teachers to make children learn. Kids don't want to go to class because they either a) don't learn anything or b) are forced to learn in ways they don't like. If teaching was a one on one thing, this country would be alot smarter. If teachers were fun and wanted to teach instead of seeing it as a chore, this country would be alot smarter. If we hired teachers that KNEW how to teach, this country would be alot better.

I believe this country is full of children who are stupid... hell adults who are stupid. And I don't believe it's etirely their fault, although there are children who do plain out don't want to learn or do anything associated with school. I think the majority is because we lack any educational morals in this country despite what we all think. If our politicians would act for education and not their own a$s, we might go somewhere, but thats not likely anytime soon. So do yourself all a favor and try to help your kids. Because public schooling doesn't really do much.

[Amorphous]

I live in Canada, British Columbia. Its not bad up here, alot of the kids up here are willing to learn, me for instance. I'm going to get out of school and have some vital skills, that I need. Go to college is defiantly one of my priorities after high school. Otherwise, yeah I kind of know where you are coming from, there are kids at my school like that too.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]Again, another stereotype. I don't even post in the depression style threads, let alone created my own. Stop throwing people into groups. Stereotypes might be used all the time, but what in the world does that have to do with anything? Claiming that things should be changed this radically because a minority that is more vocal is screwing up the way you think things should be? Besides, I wasn't even referring to your post as it was.

And honestly, no one sees anything racist about the first post? It seems clear to me by the way that Harry worded this that he obviously sees blacks as the problem, not kids in general. If that isn't what he meant, then perhaps people should go back to school and figure out how to write well without resorting to overly negative and AI honestly get the sense that he's some elitist bigot who sits around his house judging the world. If this is true or not, of course I don't know... But that's the impression that I know a lot of people are getting.

I don't even care for a response to this. I know it's going to result in nothing but converstational terrorism where people are going to use stupid sleight of mind fallacies, delay tactics, ad hominem variants and everything else to make themselves correct and anyone that defies them wrong. [/B][/QUOTE]


You wanna know what I think is the problem? ****** cities living in ****** conditions.. its a prob with all races, stop with the stereotype ********, I already admitted I stereotype. Everyone does. You can't deny it.... Why don't you all open your minds a little from your overly happy world and realize it's a big problem and stop ignoring it...

and this censor is driving me insane

[Semjaza]

I'm not ignoring anything... I just find it hilarious how everyone here seems to think they know so much about things they obviously never really think about. Have fun with your blame games.

And like I said, I wasn't even referring to your post to begin with. Read over what Harry said and tell me it's not slanted against blacks. Please.

Edit - As for the censor, perhaps the very schooling system people are fighting against in here could have taught you some better words to use :p.

And in repsonse to your post below mine...

There is no "so." None of my original comments were even directed towards what you said. I get your point about "It's all races," which is all well and good. Harry's original posts put blacks at the forefront of it, regardless of what you've said since then (especially since yours were obviously skewed in the same direction at first).

I'm not even going to bother with this anymore. I'm not going to argue with someone over [i]education[/i] that cannot even spell simple words properly and has to result to swearing to get their points across.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]I'm not ignoring anything... I just find it hilarious how everyone here seems to think they know so much about things they obviously never really think about. Have fun with your blame games.

And like I said, I wasn't even referring to your post to begin with. Read over what Harry said and tell me it's not slanted against blacks. Please. [/B][/QUOTE]


So? I talked about them too and there damn ebonics classes...

[Charles]

All right dude, I know that you purposely take controversial stances, but this post demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of urban America and its educational system. Jenni's comments also sickened me--thoroughly.

How can you automatically put down so many people and dismiss so many issues? Your comments reflect the notion that social policy in the United States, concerning poor and black children has been turned back [i]several[/i] decades.

There are so many urban schools that are unhappy places. They are a victim of a remarkable degree of segregation and resemble outposts in third world countries. How are children supposed to feel, being educated in bleak projects, lined with barbed wire fences and buildings with steel bars on the windows? Have you ever seen the filth and despair in these places firsthand?

Have you talked with the young children forced to go to these death zones? Young children aren't lazy and stupid. Give me a break. They [i]want[/i] to learn. Kids make so many observations and judgments--those are the most influential years. Dismissing them as a lost cause is disgusting. They're people too. They deserve a fair chance. You aren't better than them because you're more privileged. Get out of here with that nonsense.

Maybe if you grew up in a city with no obstetric services, no regular trash collection, and few jobs, you wouldn't exactly be motivated either. When I studied urban areas, I found that a lot of urban families earn about $7500 dollars a year (I'm sure my memory serves me right there). The streets are lined with boarded homes, and garbage piled up in huge craters. Oh, and we can't forget the fumes that pour from vents and smoke stacks that cloud the streets. But, you've probably never seen that. Smoke and chemicals probably didn't choke you as a kid. Or have you had rats as big as puppies run across your feet?

So, what hope do these kids have? Why should they graduate high school? It's utter hopelessness. All they have to look forward to is a sh*t job, even if they do graduate. A diploma from a decrepit hulk of a building isn't worth anything. They don't have the proper education to get into college. Their teachers don't teach. Some tell them to put their heads down, or play poker with them. Of course, the proper materials aren't provided. Everyone doesn't have the luxury of owning a book--they have to take turns. If teachers care enough to give assignments and homework, one child will do it Monday, while another child will have to complete the assignment Tuesday. Some schools are so crowded and impoverished that they can't afford classrooms for fourth graders, so they're crammed into the same room with choir class. But, that's okay. It's their faults because they're not innocent children born into that hell. They're lazy and worthless. Right? That's probably why they've had strings of substitutes instead of a full-time teacher since the kindergarten.

Oh, and why do they look up to rap stars? They see that they look like them, and they see that as their only chance. Even if a teacher was passionate enough to tell them that they are somebody, it wouldn't matter, when, in the eyes of society, they are not much at all. This is the message they get every day when no celebrities are there and when their parents business partners (if they're especially fortunate) have departed for their homes in the expensive suburbs.

Yeah, so why don't you give your BS to kids who have to choose between a glass of milk when they're three, or a glass of milk when they're seven? Harry or Jenni wouldn't have thought that children in America would ever have to choose between a teacher or a playground or sufficient toilet paper, though. I mean, why would that cross their minds? They've probably never stumbled upon a huge hole in the ceiling of their stairwell where the plaster is gone, exposing rusted metal bars embedded in the outside wall. They've probably never had water cascading down their stairs, either.

There are no community centers to play in and the streets are sometimes flooded with sewage in these areas. There's nothing else to do but have sex and do drugs. It's decimation, people. Many births are to single mothers. Where do the men go? Some--early death. Others--sleep in the street, or in isolated camps behind burnt-out buildings. That's a future [i]forced[/i] on them. No one wants to live like that. So don't bring that up in here. Especially when you target black kids in particular. It isn't their culture to speak poorly and fail. They haven't a damn choice.

I'm sorry, but this thread is just too much for me and I'm really offended by it.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i]
[B]All right dude, I know that you purposely take controversial stances, but this post demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of urban America and its educational system. Jenni's comments also sickened me--thoroughly.

How can you automatically put down so many people and dismiss so many issues? Your comments reflect the notion that social policy in the United States, concerning poor and black children has been turned back [i]several[/i] decades.

There are so many urban schools that are unhappy places. They are a victim of a remarkable degree of segregation and resemble outposts in third world countries. How are children supposed to feel, being educated in bleak projects, lined with barbed wire fences and buildings with steel bars on the windows? Have you ever seen the filth and despair in these places firsthand?

Have you talked with the young children forced to go to these death zones? Young children aren't lazy and stupid. Give me a break. They [i]want[/i] to learn. Kids make so many observations and judgments--those are the most influential years. Dismissing them as a lost cause is disgusting. They're people too. They deserve a fair chance. You aren't better than them because you're more privileged. Get out of here with that nonsense.

Maybe if you grew up in a city with no obstetric services, no regular trash collection, and few jobs, you wouldn't exactly be motivated either. When I studied urban areas, I found that a lot of urban families earn about $7500 dollars a year (I'm sure my memory serves me right there). The streets are lined with boarded homes, and garbage piled up in huge craters. Oh, and we can't forget the fumes that pour from vents and smoke stacks that cloud the streets. But, you've probably never seen that. Smoke and chemicals probably didn't choke you as a kid. Or have you had rats as big as puppies run across your feet?

So, what hope do these kids have? Why should they graduate high school? It's utter hopelessness. All they have to look forward to is a sh*t job, even if they do graduate. A diploma from a decrepit hulk of a building isn't worth anything. They don't have the proper education to get into college. Their teachers don't teach. Some tell them to put their heads down, or play poker with them. Of course, the proper materials aren't provided. Everyone doesn't have the luxury of owning a book--they have to take turns. If teachers care enough to give assignments and homework, one child will do it Monday, while another child will have to complete the assignment Tuesday. Some schools are so crowded and impoverished that they can't afford classrooms for fourth graders, so they're crammed into the same room with choir class. But, that's okay. It's their faults because they're not innocent children born into that hell. They're lazy and worthless. Right? That's probably why they've had strings of substitutes instead of a full-time teacher since the kindergarten.

Oh, and why do they look up to rap stars? They see that they look like them, and they see that as their only chance. Even if a teacher was passionate enough to tell them that they are somebody, it wouldn't matter, when, in the eyes of society, they are not much at all. This is the message they get every day when no celebrities are there and when their parents business partners (if they're especially fortunate) have departed for their homes in the expensive suburbs.

Yeah, so why don't you give your BS to kids who have to choose between a glass of milk when they're three, or a glass of milk when they're seven? Harry or Jenni wouldn't have thought that children in America would ever have to choose between a teacher or a playground or sufficient toilet paper, though. I mean, why would that cross their minds? They've probably never stumbled upon a huge hole in the ceiling of their stairwell where the plaster is gone, exposing rusted metal bars embedded in the outside wall. They've probably never had water cascading down their stairs, either.

There are no community centers to play in and the streets are sometimes flooded with sewage in these areas. There's nothing else to do but have sex and do drugs. It's decimation, people. Many births are to single mothers. Where do the men go? Some--early death. Others--sleep in the street, or in isolated camps behind burnt-out buildings. That's a future [i]forced[/i] on them. No one wants to live like that. So don't bring that up in here. Especially when you target black kids in particular. It isn't their culture to speak poorly and fail. They haven't a damn choice.

I'm sorry, but this thread is just too much for me and I'm really offended by it. [/B][/QUOTE]

See, if your offended by something, then don't look. The truth often sickens me too. Where the hell do you live? You have to realize we live in two different worlds, two different sets of eyes.. we see thigns differently and we'll never agree. That's why you'll never agree with harry. That's why you have somehting against him everytime he posts somehting. It's disgusting, you should all appreciate each others opinions.

[Charles]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jenni [/i]
[B]See, if your offended by something, then don't look. The truth often sickens me too. Where the hell do you live? You have to realize we live in two different worlds, two different sets of eyes.. we see thigns differently and we'll never agree. That's why you'll never agree with harry. That's why you have somehting against him everytime he posts somehting. It's disgusting, you should all appreciate each others opinions. [/B][/QUOTE]

The truth? Read my damn post. That is the truth. I've studied this stuff. Have you? We live in two different worlds? Is that a good thing? We only live in one world, and that's Earth.

I'll never agree with Harry because he's being a jackass. I don't have anything against him. I abhore his elitist attitude--and yours. It's disgusting that you didn't read a damn thing I said. I want you to read his first post and then mine, and you tell me if those kids don't deserve a damn chance.

And it's because this thread disgusts me that I'll respond and make things right. You haven't provided any facts to support Harry's claims--that you so apparently support.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazy White Boy [/i]
[B]The truth? Read my damn post. That is the truth. I've studied this stuff. Have you? We live in two different worlds? Is that a good thing? We only live in one world, and that's Earth.

I'll never agree with Harry because he's being a jackass. I don't have anything against him. I abhore his elitist attitude--and yours. It's disgusting that you didn't read a damn thing I said. I want you to read his first post and then mine, and you tell me if those kids don't deserve a damn chance.

And it's because this thread disgusts me that I'll respond and make things right. You haven't provided any facts to support Harry's claims--that you so apparently support. [/B][/QUOTE]

I read your post.. But I didn't agree whole heartedly with what you said.... Yea, those kids deserve the chance..but what about high school **** ups? Thats what I'm talking about. Hmm so what if I agree with harry? I agree with his views. We do live in two different worlds, and it's a metaphor dear... I live in a place where ****ups waste our money, our time, and our education.

[Semjaza]

The fact that you read and comprehended all that and also posted in less than three minutes is amazing.

People are discussing and appreciating other's opinions and basically all that has been said back is "So what." That's all it amounts to.

I'm not understanding how you find people not appreciating other's opinons disgusting, when I'm finding that you are basically doing the same. Harry posts controversial things, we all know this. Of course you're going to get many sides and of course people are going to fight against the ones they don't agree with... especially in the case of Harry who is rather extreme with his wording at times.

I don't think anyone is like "WTF! MY opinion is fact and YOURS is wrong." I disagreed and I said why, that doesn't mean it had to resort to this.

And thus, my main point: You can't expect people to agree when there is basically nothing to back up your claims except that somehow your schools are overrun with junkies and ebonics classes.

And like I said, I know the responses will be like I figured at the end of my second post. It's certainly how they've been so far. I have no personal problem with either you or Harry, so I'm not even trying to get into anything like that. Discussion is discussion, and I respect both of your views despite my generally not agreeing with them in this thread (I honestly haven't bothered with the other ones Harry made, so it's not as if I have some agenda against either of you).

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]The fact that you read and comprehended all that and also posted in less than three minutes is amazing.

People are discussing and appreciating other's opinions and basically all that has been said back is "So what." That's all it amounts to.

I'm not understanding how you find people not appreciating other's opinons disgusting, when I'm finding that you are basically doing the same. Harry posts controversial things, we all know this. Of course you're going to get many sides and of course people are going to fight against the ones they don't agree with... especially in the case of Harry who is rather extreme with his wording at times.

I don't think anyone is like "WTF! MY opinion is fact and YOURS is wrong." I disagreed and I said why, that doesn't mean it had to resort to this.

And thus, my main point: You can't expect people to agree when there is basically nothing to back up your claims except that somehow your schools are overrun with junkies and ebonics classes.

And like I said, I know the responses will be like I figured at the end of my second post. It's certainly how they've been so far. I have no personal problem with either you or Harry, so I'm not even trying to get into anything like that. Discussion is discussion. [/B][/QUOTE]

Wow, you've never met a fast reader before have you? Dude, I live in Lowell, it's a city.. and many of the kids would be better off surviving in a military school anyway. There, they would get their chance. Did you ever think that maybe harry brings on these discussions to provoke this kind of thing.. debate? it's better than some of the ******** in some of the other threads anyway

[Transtic Nerve]

lol

I'm sorry Jenni. The posts you are making are ignorant and full of emotion that is just making you look really dumb. And you're lack of vocabulary and understanding is really annoying. And I'm not stereotyping here, I'm flat out telling you.

This topic is rather dumb, well the reasoning behind it at least. The topic isn't about sterotypical things, there's already a topic on this page for that. This is about lack of educational funds by states. The real reason which has already been explained, or could you not understand that?

And please stop abusing the censor. It's reallllly annoying to read "******" when I could read a word perhaps. It's made to keep people from posting words. So take your so called education and think of another word.

[Semjaza]

No, I've not met someone who can read what amounts to a page and half of text, actually [i]comprehend[/i] it (which is the key word here) and address its points. I've still yet to see that.

I live in Chicago, which is also a [i]city[/i]. I've seen these things, and I know what both of you are referring to. It seems like you in particular are trying to create some sort of war out of it where you and Harry are the saviors of the Otaku people, because we are all somehow locked in a Happy carefree world where we're all depressed anyway (how does that make sense?)... And anyone that thinks that perhaps that isn't the best way (and is based on things that I'm finding neither of you probably truly understand all the facts behind) is absolutely wrong.

Eh, whatever. I'm not here to change your mind. It's my opinion. If you think it sucks, so be it.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]lol

I'm sorry Jenni. The posts you are making are ignorant and full of emotion that is just making you look really dumb. And you're lack of vocabulary and understanding is really annoying. And I'm not stereotyping here, I'm flat out telling you.

This topic is rather dumb, well the reasoning behind it at least. The topic isn't about sterotypical things, there's already a topic on this page for that. This is about lack of educational funds by states. The real reason which has already been explained, or could you not understand that? [/B][/QUOTE]

Hmm, if only you realized that I really dont care what you people think of me. I'm not dumb, and I don't have to exhibit impeccable vocabulary to prove to you all. I understand everything you say, I enjoy provoking people to the point they *****. Quite the amusement for me. You must all understand that I'm not even serious. Although I do think that military school is a great option for many people, some people would flourish a lot better in the enviroments they have.

I do not care in the least if you think I am annoying, to be perfectly honest, while you are "flat out telling me", I think many people are just a bunch of sheep with their over abundance of happiness. If I see that damn ^-^ one more time I think the death rate might go up, not literally, but I guess I would have to explain that one.

I'm not one of those always depressing ones, I just tend to look at everything in the most pessimistic way possible, well not almost. I'd educate on the world of bi-polar disorder, but I noticed that no one would really give 2 shits, and I'm too lazy to waste the time.

Ahhh, on another note, just because I swear, does not correlate in anyway to my intelligence. Just so you know ;)

[Chaos]

I have a few things to address here. I have a few ebonics in my vocabulary, and I'm white. I can't help where I grow up, and I can't help HOW I grow up. Have a problem with me, meet me in the street.

Saying some crap about me proving your point, however, to my comment is a crock. Just because I take offense to your racist and closed-minded views. Your ****ing cursing us out because sometimes, a few of us don't want to be yelled at by someone who should have no right to do jackshit to us, yet get in our face no matter what? You know what, **** both of you. I had respect for both of you today, before I read this ********, but that's gone.

If you can't understand what people like those [and I am included in that genre of people, according to you] have to live with, day by ****ing day, then you need to hurl yourself face-first into a speeding bus. Imagine waking up to police kicking your neighbor's door open and shooting him in his sleep, not even bothering to tell him to get on the ground. Imagine going to school and seeing a shootout on the way. Imagine coming to school and finding out one of your best friends got killed in a drug deal.

See how much you understand when you live it.

People often say people mock what they are afraid of. They also say they are afraid of what they can't understand. So, if you ask me, YOU two need to go to ****ing school and take some courses on modern living, and see how ****ing much you find it 'mockable'.

Idiots like you are the real reason we need better learning facilities. You sit back and ***** about the lower class while your own homes are falling to ****. Be like all of the other hypocrites and go yell your narrow-minded views down in the ninth ward, Bronx, or any other ghetto area.

By the way, how well you spell portraits how intelligent you are, and, Jenni, I must say... ...Your comments make me think of you as nothing but a moron.

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B] I think you have to remember those in high school who are willing to learn. Myself, for example. I want very much to graduate having had all the opportunities possible presented to me, and that's only possible through money. I can't help it if there are people in my classes who don't want to be there, I shouldn't have to suffer for their stupidity.

-Justin [/B][/QUOTE]
It is true some people want to learn, but every person that wants to lear, there's always another person that doesn't.

[quote]I'll never agree with Harry because he's being a jackass.[/quote]
And that's coming from a mod too... how disappointing. I'll reply to your whopper of a post in another post.