Na'dou Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Hey, did you hear about that fire in that nightclub? That sounds horrible, and one of the band members is still missing. I hope they find him or have found him...Where did it happen though?...And do you think they should have done Pyro talents in a flammable building?...They shouldn't have taken that chance, adult should know better....Then again I'm so scary, I wouldn't take a chance on anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 This is the second club incident to happen... The first was here in Chicago, where I guess a customer got out of control and was pepper sprayed. Patrons started getting sick and coughing and everyone went nuts, and tried to get out the one tiny stairway there was to the exit. A lot of people were trampled to death, I think something like 20. More details for those who didn't know about it - This one happened in Rhode Island at a Great White concert (a crappy metal band, somewhat famous years back). They apparently do this at many shows, and always get in trouble for it. They played at a small joint and basically let out large scale fireworks inside which caused the fire (they didn't bother telling anyone that owned the place). So it burned to the ground. Originally the death count was 21, but now it's almost 100 people. Pretty sad how stupid some people can be. While it's sad these people died, I don't consider it a tragedy, in a sense that it's a horrible tragic accident and no one is to blame, as I place it all squarely on the band. They knew what they were going to do the entire time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShinje Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Semjaza is right. This was no accident. It was just a bad metal band acting like children and playing with fire. Really bad. Now this band, Great White, are placing the blame game on the night club owners. It is really sad and pathetic considering how many people died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Great White isn't crappy. They aren't great but they aren't crappy. And because of this incident my parents won't let me go to any concerts for a looooonnnnngggggg while... Damn them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na'dou Posted February 22, 2003 Author Share Posted February 22, 2003 I thought that stampede was caused because someone yelled "terrorist attack" and made people panic....If you ask me, the terrorist are sitting back and watching how everything gets into our heads, and they only had to do a little bit to make us histerical... Whether the band was good or not, they didn't act very smart using fire in a flammable building....wonder where the automatic water thingy was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Well someone could have yelled that because of everyone getting sick and stuff from the pepper spray. Makes sense, I guess... However, the spray and the guy acting out against the bouncer are what started it all... That and if you've seen the stairwell to that place, it's narrow and incredibly steep. The place had tons of building code violations and such for what it was doing. As for Great White, what people think of their music doesn't really matter for all this I'd say heh.... But really, tt's also the fault of the club owners I'd say. They should know what the hell the band is bringing in, and if you pay attention to this stuff... This isn't the first time a band has done this sort of thing, it's not common, but it's definately not rare. The club owners often just look the other way. This time they just got screwed; it was bound to happen sooner or later unfortunately. I've not seen anything about the band itself blaming the club, all I've seen is everyone blaming the band (including the club owners) and mourning trying to find about out their kids that are missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treton_noir Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 thats one reason im so proud that im not associated with crappy music, especially bands that cover up a crappy show with fire works pranks. i was eating lunch at a chinese place near my school. i saw part of it on the news. my father heard them say that the coast gaurd was involved and thought that a ship was on fire. you kids need to be smart about what shows you go see. seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I've been hearing about this all day and didn't feel like starting a thread. It's a true tragedy. I also believe that the band should be held responsible for the illegal use of pyro-technics, which lead to the death of over 90 people. I sure hope responsibility is placed on the people at blame and the deaths of these people are properly honored. This is a true shame, and just one more reason that nightclubs suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treton_noir Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 if the band is at fault as you say, then sue the piss out of them. they completely deserve it. what they did was very unprofessional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domon Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 People started to run because they finally realized what was happening but it was too late, the place went up in flames within 3 minutes. I seriously believe this is a major tradgedy, there are a lot of people dead, and the really sad thing is that all the people that died, did so just as they reached the door and then they were burned. My feelings go out to the family members of the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na'dou Posted February 23, 2003 Author Share Posted February 23, 2003 My mom mentioned that some guy is trying to sue someone...I forgot what his name was, but my mom said it's partly on the fault of the people as well because they knew what could've happened, but they go to the farthest lengths to get their entertainment....If you ask me, they should've asked they not to use the fire works, it just doesn't make sense to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braidless Baka Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i] [B]I've not seen anything about the band itself blaming the club, all I've seen is everyone blaming the band (including the club owners) and mourning trying to find about out their kids that are missing. [/B][/QUOTE] Apparently, in the news (English news), they're saying each side is trying to blame the other. I think that's kinda childish, it was an accident, one that could have been avoided, yes. But an accident none the less. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Na'dou [/i] [B]it's partly on the fault of the people as well because they knew what could've happened, but they go to the farthest lengths to get their entertainment....If you ask me, they should've asked they not to use the fire works, it just doesn't make sense to me... [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, it can't have been all the band's fault. The club owners must've seen the fireworks coming in, and questioned it. So I don't think the whole blame has to go on the band. If it nothing had gone wrong it would've made them look brilliant. although the chances of it going right were almost zip... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemolth Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Someone is gonna go to jail for this, so the blame game will have to be played out. As for the pepper spray, that was just a stupid move by the security guards. As I understand it, there was a fight of some sort, the security guards came to settle it, only the spray dispersed in the air, drifted about the room, people started getting sick, and everyone panicked due to the terrorists alerts and thought it might be some chemical attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 [color=#808080]Apparently Great White had used pyrotechnics on several occasions prior to performing at this particular club. And in all cases, they supposedly had no permission to use pyrotechnics. They didn't seek approval from the club owners [i]or[/i] any civil authorities. I think there is mutual blame. The band was utterly stupid for using pyrotechnics without permission (and without proper knowledge of their use) and the club owners should have been aware of what the band was bringing in. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 I heard they found the guitarist (guy who was missing). That is dumb, the band is to blame more then the club owners but that doesn't mean the club gets away scot free. The owners have a responsability to know what is being done at their show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treton_noir Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 just how much responsibilty can you put on them if they are misinformed about the details of the performance? they arent psychic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na'dou Posted February 25, 2003 Author Share Posted February 25, 2003 Just recently, I heard that the band members are cooperating a whole lot better than the club owners...Uh oh...The club owners haven't answered any questions asked, but the band did....Something tells me these owners are hiding something, and now their afraid it's going to be found out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braidless Baka Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by treton_noir [/i] [B]just how much responsibilty can you put on them if they are misinformed about the details of the performance? they arent psychic. [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, I totally agree with that, but I'm sure James said the band had used fireworks before. Surely, if they've used them on numerous occasions you're going to say to them "No, you can't use them here. It's too dangerous." And [i]someone[/i] would have seen them bringing them in wouldn't they? Either that or the club just turned a blind eye, which was plain wrong anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 They [i]have[/i] used pyrotechnics before. I've said that in my posts days and days ago, as the original news reports have said just that. Irregardless, Great White is a nothing band now playing mostly to people with mullets who wish it was still the 80s and hair metal was reigning supreme. Therefore, they mostly played at small clubs which most likely wouldn't have heard these sorts of things (if they were a huge band still, I'm sure everyone would know... Hell, I didn't even know people even listened to them anymore). I put more of the blame on the band than anything though, evne though I still think the club is almost equally at fault. Not informing the club owners whatsoever (regardless of any knowledge of the bands past antics) is stupid. Not knowing what the hell a band is bringing into your club is also stupid. Anyone that has been to a live concert knows the amount of totally unplanned stuff that happens... especially at the smaller shows. I think the club should have been somewhat prepared, but in the end... The band did it. There is no way they couldn't have known the risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treton_noir Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 great white... *saying great white puts bad taste in mouth (from music, not fire stuuf)* from now on, nobody will know them by their "music". i think it would be a terrible thing to be remembered for making a mistake that killed so many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 [color=darkblue]I haven't read the whole thread, but... First of all, it's really lame that they had to use pyrotechnics in an intimate setting like that to make their show good. Jeez. Their music must suck. Secondly, I saw the footage of what it looked like inside the club: 1) Low ceilings 2) Tight space 3) Way crowded 4) Wood building/wood everywhere 5) All the flames shot pretty much the same distance in the air, so it's not like the products malfunctioned or anything, & they were way too tall for point number 1. Whoever thought of using pyrotechnics of any kind in there was a complete idiot. The families should sue the f*ck out of everybody involved.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hikaru Ichijyo Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 Both Parties are at fault here, first the band members for using pyrotechnics without the consent of the club and also the Club for not paying attention or being aware of the bands use of pryotechnics. In reality common sense should of told the band with low ceilings and limited space that this was a fire hazard waiting to happen. On the other hand while watching some of the footage, actually people who were at the club were saying as the the fire started up this is so cool. Common sense tells people when there's fire you run but apparently most were to guzzed up to acknowledge danger for coolness. It's a tragedy that should of been avoided and some of the people lost in the fire could of escaped. I guess that's a danger you take when you go to these night clubs. But of course lawsuits will be running rampart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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