No Respect When Due?

[Guest Jenni]

I don't want anyone to delete this. You can close it, but I don't want it deleted, please. I want you all to see this and hate me for it, because sometimes you can't face the truth. No James, I'm not in a bi-polar mood. But I'm deeply offended by the way you all treated Harry. Not Gotenks though. He's the one that stayed in my mind that actually gave him his rightful respects. You all doubted Harry, what if it's actually true? Huh Deathknight? I don't care if you don't like someone, he was a member of this forum, what happened to being friendly to all? Harry's sister was ****ing hit by a car.. she's dead now, and how do you respond to this? Oh, I doubt you Harry, but for the benefit of the doubt, sorry. Whenever another member posted such a thing as that, you all gave them long winded comforts that come with that kind of thing. I'll admit, I even felt some sympathy for many of them. But to be like that to Harry? You closed his thread. Where is the nice little OB community in that? He actually brought some activity to the forum, and for all you know, he could actually be referring to something important, or something that needs to be changed. He made you all think, if you consider it at times. You know what? I haven't seen him online ever since then... That really worries me. And about the whole thing with my opinions should be listened to, and sometime Harry's? You don't know what I'm talking about? Read the Funding the Pre-College Education. You look at those posts, compare his and mine. His had more substance, I just ruined the whole thread. And I should be listened to? Fine then, listen to me. You all need to learn when to keep your mouth shut when due, as in his final thread. That deeply offended me, and I don't get offended easily. You probably will all dismiss this as the thread the bi-polar chick made, but forget my name is Jenni and pretend this thread was made by Babygirl or Asuka or some other random pretty girl or handsome guy you all idolize. I am asking that you re-open Harry's thread, so he gets his respect where due. That's not too much to ask.
Yea, you can come up and say there are inconsitencies(sp?) in his post, but he was emotional. Some people when emotional drag it out in long eloquent sentences, and some get it to the point. Tragedy can happen at anytime, it is never a coincidence, so why point the finger at Harry saying he's making it up? I think I'm done my rant, I'm not sure, but if I think of anything more, I'll be sure to post it here.
Why don't you all give me great answers as to why Harry didn't get the support he needed? If other people can turn to it for support, what makes him so special that he doesn't recieve the same treatment?

edit: I applaud Sabretooth while we are at it.. for being respectful in harry's thread

[wrist cutter]

Harry did not exactly make the best reputation for himself. When he comes and tells us about his sister's death, it is hard to believe because he has not made himself out to be a "trustworthy person". I'm not saying a condone what people have done in his post, but personally I'm not so sure about his sister myself.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]Harry did not exactly make the best reputation for himself. When he comes and tells us about his sister's death, it is hard to believe because he has not made himself out to be a "trustworthy person". I'm not saying a condone what people have done in his post, but personally I'm not so sure about his sister myself. [/B][/QUOTE]

He made threads that provoked people to post their opinions. He obviously thought that he could come to you(the board) for support, which obviously he did not recieve. He actually does have a twin sister, and I believe him without a doubt. I don't want to, but I do.


Edit: im out for the night, I wanna see this when I wake up.. heh

[JCBaggee]

[color=red]Regardless, she brings up good points. Look at Ginny's thread. Members were relentlessly bashing each other's religions while Ginny was trying to get some support. Members here have been way too disrespectful as of late, and it's getting kind of annoying.

Maybe Harry was lieing. But what if he wasn't? The chance to help that kid is gone.

--Chris[/color]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jenni [/i]
[B]He made threads that provoked people to post their opinions. He obviously thought that he could come to you(the board) for support, which obviously he did not recieve. He actually does have a twin sister, and I believe him without a doubt. I don't want to, but I do. [/B][/QUOTE]

Harry is smart. He knows he isn't well liked around here - even if he did provoke thought, apparently he pissed a lot of people off. So it kind of confuses me as to why he'd come here for support, and I think that's one of the reasons many people don't believe him.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JCBaggee [/i]
[B][color=red]Regardless, she brings up good points. Look at Ginny's thread. Members were relentlessly bashing each other's religions while Ginny was trying to get some support. Members here have been way too disrespectful as of late, and it's getting kind of annoying.

Maybe Harry was lieing. But what if he wasn't? The chance to help that kid is gone.

--Chris[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm glad you see where I'm coming from. But still, you guys basically have no chance to make it up, if it is true :(

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]Harry is smart. He knows he isn't well liked around here - even if he did provoke thought, apparently he pissed a lot of people off. So it kind of confuses me as to why he'd come here for support, and I think that's one of the reasons many people don't believe him. [/B][/QUOTE]

Numerous other people did, so why couldn't he?

[Transtic Nerve]

I give one respect when one earns respect... Harry, nor you for that matter, have earned my respect and till you do, you won't get any from me. Thats how I see it. Anyway.

From what Harry had done and said before, there is ample reason to doubt his accusation. You know how many people go to jail for things they "say they never did"? Alot... Why? because of what they do, say, or have evidence against lead people to think they did something they didn't. Harry is the defendant, and the people who responded are the jury. It's up to them to believe what is told them based on their opinions of the evidence slated against someone. It's very easy to fake something said....

oh my god, the neighbours house is on fire!

Now how many people are going to believe that? It could be happening. You don't know, but are you going to believe it based on what I've said in this thread and the placement of when and where I put it? Of course not. You're going to read over that as if it was nothing. Thats basically what people have done here. We had this happen once in the past. A kid was so upset at people here he made up a story of his sister dying in a car accident to get people to shut up about it. What's saying Harry didn't make that thread for people to start taking him seriously and not for whatever he did in his controversial ways before. Or maybe it was a controversy in itself? The fact is you don't know, and neither do we and the only thing we can do is draw some conclusion to ourselves on what we believe. And thats what they did. Since I did not post in that topic and will not reveal what I think on the actual situation, I have no answer to whatever may have happened.

One thing's for sure though. If it really happened alot of people are gonna feel really bad, and if it didn't, you're gonna look really stupid.

[Guest cloricus]

Why does any one care if your posts are the result of a mood Jenni, it makes no difference?

I think this is a fair thread, and I'd like to know why most of you gave Harry such a hard time.

You all quoted some lines of his out of context and I could never gather what was wrong with him in your eyes?

Though he did come on today and spam in my thread. That is the only bad thing I have ever noticed.
Any one care to explain?

[Added]
Hmm four ppls posted before I got this one up, damn you guys type fast. Though I did leave it awhile before I finished it.
I seemed to have missed this whole thing with Harry (and Jenni?), some one care to give a brief description of what they did?

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]I give one respect when one earns respect... Harry, nor you for that matter, have earned my respect and till you do, you won't get any from me. Thats how I see it. Anyway.

From what Harry had done and said before, there is ample reason to doubt his accusation. You know how many people go to jail for things they "say they never did"? Alot... Why? because of what they do, say, or have evidence against lead people to think they did something they didn't. Harry is the defendant, and the people who responded are the jury. It's up to them to believe what is told them based on their opinions of the evidence slated against someone. It's very easy to fake something said....

oh my god, the neighbours house is on fire!

Now how many people are going to believe that? It could be happening. You don't know, but are you going to believe it based on what I've said in this thread and the placement of when and where I put it? Of course not. You're going to read over that as if it was nothing. Thats basically what people have done here. We had this happen once in the past. A kid was so upset at people here he made up a story of his sister dying in a car accident to get people to shut up about it. What's saying Harry didn't make that thread for people to start taking him seriously and not for whatever he did in his controversial ways before. Or maybe it was a controversy in itself? The fact is you don't know, and neither do we and the only thing we can do is draw some conclusion to ourselves on what we believe. And thats what they did. Since I did not post in that topic and will not reveal what I think on the actual situation, I have no answer to whatever may have happened.

One thing's for sure though. If it really happened alot of people are gonna feel really bad, and if it didn't, you're gonna look really stupid. [/B][/QUOTE]

I see where your coming from, but even if he didnt do anything, what about his sister? She didn't provoke anyone...

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jenni [/i]
[B]
Numerous other people did, so why couldn't he? [/B][/QUOTE]

Because those people are liked. Harry wasn't and so thus, he was hard to believe, especially since it happened right after some controversial posts. So few people supported him.

[liamc2]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jenni [/i]
[B]He made threads that provoked people to post their opinions.[/B][/QUOTE]

If you mean provoking people after insulting them. I was offended at his, in lay man terms, 'religious people are stupid' thread.

Such 'provoking' (as in a bad way) threads do not develop trust.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jenni [/i]
[B]I see where your coming from, but even if he didnt do anything, what about his sister? She didn't provoke anyone... [/B][/QUOTE]

She is just someone caught up in the middle, if she even exists. What are people going to do about someone they don't know and are even having a hard time believing it as it is. Not much. She's whats commonly refered to as a "casulty of war"... although in this case, war has it's own seperate meaning.

[Guest Jenni]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]Because those people are liked. Harry wasn't and so thus, he was hard to believe, especially since it happened right after some controversial posts. So few people supported him. [/B][/QUOTE]

But what about his sister? She didn't do anything... I can admit the whole harry go bye bye thing is sketchy, but I believe it. His sister thing, I would believe without a doubt, even if I doubted his part in the drama.

[Guest cloricus]

JESUS YOU PEOPLE ARE TYPING TO FAST!!!

Some one stop and explain what he did?

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

Well I'm not going to defend anyone here....though despite everything I think it would be really sad for Harry to lie about his sister wether it was to gain attention or not....that's something that would be rather fool hearted to do.

However the way the thread he wrote was responded to in a way to me did seem a bit unfair in treatement. I understand Harry had a bad reputation and probably isn't the most deserving of compassion. However that didn't give anyone a right...to say some of those comments.

If he did tell the truth and that did happen to his sister you guys better feel a bit bad about it. Many members I notice come to OB for sympathy and it's given, and true when it's a more prominent member they get the respect thats needed.

If I posted something people would send sympathy, so why is it that when someone less known granted doesn't deserve it post something they don't get sympathy, compassion is something everyone was taught I thought?

It's a double standard in a way...but just like with anyone on the net or this board how do you really know wether they are telling the truth...wether it be mod or member. You don't I guess, though this whole thing probably needs to be dealt with more maturely. *Shrugs*

[James]

[color=#808080]Most of this is really pretty irrelevant. Harry gave a bad impression for two reasons.

First, his thread about education was wholly legitimate; nobody is complaining about that. However, if you look at his replies to various people, some of them were quite rude. You can talk about people taking Harry's posts out of context, but in many cases he did not have the courtesy to provide a detailed response to those who had posted well-conceived opinions.

Secondly, look at his thread on religion. It was totally and utterly inflammatory. There was no attempt to utilize any tact whatsoever; it was designed and crafted to annoy people. And thus, it was closed.

I don't care if people have legitimate debates on OtakuBoards, as long as those debates can be carried out in a manner of mutual respect. It comes as no surprise to me that Harry built a bad reputation for himself; his responses were sometimes rude and flippant. If he had worded his thoughts (his responses) in a more respectful way, perhaps others might not have jumped on him like they did.

I don't think OB is generally a disrespectful place; most people here are friendly and kind. But when you get into a serious political discussion, you can't expect everyone to be all fluffy and happy. You're bound to get people expressing very passionate opinions on issues. And yes, tempers can flare. However, even if that happens...it's up to the members themselves to take a step back and to realize that it's just a debate. And that, ultimately, personal attacks and such are not warranted.

The thing I dislike most is when a perfectly good discussion is hijacked by one or two people. Jenni, you might very well complain about people's treatment of Harry, but you yourself were responsible for some quite rude and immature comments. And those comments are what helped to hijack the discussion and drag it into the gutter, resulting in little more than a mud-slinging match.

I realize that you have apologized after this, so I hope that matters will improve on that point.

And Harry is free to create threads about political/social issues if he so pleases; but he must do so in a sensitive and reasonable way. Creating something that essentially says "all religion is stupid" is just ridiculous. He [i]knows[/i] that it is inflammatory. And thus, it's unacceptable. If he's worded his post in a more respectful way...and if he had attempted to have an enlightening discussion, it would not have become an issue.

Let's not think that Harry is an innocent victim here. Yes, some people were too rude to him. But by the same token, those people were not being rude for nothing; Harry's attitude did occasionally provoke that reaction. It's a give and take situation -- let's not think that it's always one sided.[/color]

[The Unholy Newt]

No one is saying that Harry's sister, if she exists, has done anything wrong. It is to do with the fact that Harry isn't very well like on these boards.

What did he do you ask cloricus? Have you even read some of his posts. Why don't you take a look has his "Religious people are less intelligent than Non Religious people" thread. Like Liam, I found that thread extremely offensive. I may not be very religious, but I know that was wrong. Are you going to say that Liam is unintelligent? I don't think so.

Most of Harry's (And I say most, not all). Were arrogant, controversial and offensive. His last post was simply a cry for attention and most people know it.

`TUN

[Fall]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]Because those people are liked. Harry wasn't and so thus, he was hard to believe, especially since it happened right after some controversial posts. So few people supported him. [/B][/QUOTE] We never gave him a chance to be liked.

He might have made some posts that were unusual, and immediatly someone rouces on him saying his opinion is completely wrong. Then someone follows.

It seems now his opinions have been wrong every time he expressed them, and maybe they were. That doesn't mean we can go and rouce on him again. That just puts him down even more.

Now that eveyone is used to Harry being "wrong", he makes a post that could well be true. But because everyone is used to him being wrong and not well liked, they think this situation is wrong aswell. I feel sorry for Harry.

Too late to make it up to you now, you might as well be gone. Sorry.

I can't blame him. He's been treated like ****.

I didn't have a chance to reply to his thread, though my greatest sympathy goes out to you Harry and your family.

[Guest cloricus]

Thank you James, can always rely on you to explain what every one else wont. Though I don?t think that warranted some of the replies in his thread about his sister. Would you people go up to some one in the street and say those things.
*Has no idea's who side to be on so leaves*

[Added]
Newt as I said, I have no idea about this I missed it.

[James]

[color=#808080]SS, as I said...people here are generally pretty nice. They don't just dislike you for nothing.

Harry "earned" that dislike through some of his behavior. The ultimate solution would be for him to actually become a little more respectful of others and thus, to earn some more respect from the membership.

As for his sister...I'm not touching that whole issue with a 10ft pole. I can see how it could be true and I can see how people doubt it. If I'd had a clash with Harry, maybe I'd doubt his story. Maybe he should think about that.[/color]

[Guest cloricus]

I'm informed that Harry was meant to have killed himself, I'd like to say "What the hell!?"
Because if that?s the case I had a dead man spam in my thread...
[url=http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21321]Here[/url] (4th one down.)

And is this what this is all about?
Some one asked me to post this btw.

(Can I get that post of his removed I've been asking all day.}

[Alexa]

[size=1] I don't know...If Harry is lying about his sister, then he is really sick in the head and deserves what he got from those who saw through him. If he was telling the truth, I don't really see why he should post it to people he obviously knows does not like him, such as in his thread "Should I quit my job??" he put in the poll, yes, no, and I don't care because this thread will be deleted anyway. Also, its really stupid the way people use threads where peeps ask for [b]moral[/b] support, they get all this religious arguments. Isn't it enough that the person is upset?[/size]

[The Vampire: Ed]

Well, I really don't see how he deserves any respect from anyone here. First of all in his education topic, while it's a good subject, he stepped on a lot of toes with all of those racist remarks he made in it. Secondly, calling religious people dumber than non-religious people isn't helping any either. Lastly, he lied about leaving because he's posted a couple times all ready since then acting as if nothing happened when he supposedly lost the will to live or whatever way he phrased it. On top of that Harry talked down to topics of the sort, it doesn't seem like he would post about his sister dying in a car accident after bashing related topic.

Well, I don't post in those type of threads because I don't like to give out sympathy to people I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but that seems rather shallow. Not saying that everyone is shallow for doing it, because there are people who generally mean it. While others may not, but give it just to be courteous.

Think what you will of me, but I cannot in all honestly believe someone like that. People like Charles, James, Juu, Kevin, TN, etc. They can be believed because they haven't done anything remotely as offensive as Harry has, so it's easier to place faith in them. Harry has stepped on too many toes, and once you do that it's a bit hard to get people to respect you.

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue] Just so everybody is clear, Harry has posted several times since the thread everybody's referring to... seven times, in fact. This is meant to neither support nor refute the "Harry is Lying" theory, just letting you all know he's still around. :)[/color]

[Juu]

[color=ff00cc] [size=1]Yes. I saw him post.

Obviously, he's not gone. Despite what a few people thought, he's not dead either. He's alive, and posting.

I chose not to believe that his sister died because it seems like he wasn't very upset about it at all. If one of my cousins died, I wouldn't go online for days. Possibly weeks or months. And that's not the same as a brother or sister. It was also a little uncanny about what Medra said and what happened.

Although, as I said, if that really did happen, I'm sorry that happened, and he has my sympathy.

The way people treat you is how you treat them. If you disrespect other people, they'll disrespect you. If you're nice to other people, they'll be nice to you. That's how the world works. [/color] [/size]