The Wrong Organs... Scary

[Lady Macaiodh]

[COLOR=darkblue]I'm sure you've all heard about this.

A girl was given the wrong heart & lungs in her transplant. Apparently, the blood type was wrong. The surgeon claimed that the donation society (or whatever it's called) should have made sure everything was straight, so he didn't bother to double-check the blood type (or anything, I'm assuming). PLEASE! What kind of an excuse is that?

Then, to add insult to injury, after the hospital scrambled around to find a new set of organs, they gave her a new transplant. But soon after, the doctors claimed she was brain damaged & would die. The parents asked for a second opinion from an outside consultant, but before they could get it, the hospital pulled the plug! The family was very upset.

I don't know about you but this is very disturbing to me. Putting organs in with the wrong blood type is like putting kerosene into your gas tank! You'd think the doctors would be not ignorant enough, having gone to medical school, to at least get that easy part right. Also, the wrong organs could have gone to someone else (or two or three people) & saved their lives, which basically means they had a hand in killing more people.

And the fact that they pulled the plug after the family said to wait says to me that they're covering up something. [/COLOR]

[Guest cloricus]

Lady Macaiodh, it was a mistake.

There were massive risks in the procedure, she might have rejected the organs any way. This was just a risk they didn't anticipate. I lay no blame at all on the doctors and others involved. You cannot expect them to be right 100% of the time, it just isn't fare on them.
I feel sorry for the family and hope that this [i][b]never[/b][/i] happens to my family but hay, it's just bad luck.

The only reason this got on the news was either it was a slow news day or they needed a human-interest story. There have been far greater stuff ups that were never reported so why should this one girl get special attention?

Anyway that's just what I think.

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

I look at it this way you go into the hospital and put all of your trust in the Physician. When something goes wrong the trust is basically broken. The family is most likely going to sue because the doctor was in fact incompetent. A doctor is required by law, to double check things before going into a procedure. The doctor in other words was lazy and reckless so the family has every right to ensure that doesn?t happen again.

It's sad but on the other hand things like this can be avoided. There are no second chances in life or in the medicial profession.

[Delian]

I'd have to agree with Lady M on this one. The doctors displayed very careless judgement and what right do they have to pull the plug without parental consent... In my opinion the hospital is liable for its negligence and inconsideration for the family... I think the family should take legal action...if they haven't already.

[Guest cloricus]

Though having said that you guys don't know all the facts. (Either do I but hear me out.)

Delian how do you know that it was the hospitals misjudgement, or that there was not some law that required them to do it? (The cutting the life support.)
I don't want to sound bad but I stick by my first post and I'd like to make it clear that you may not have been given all the facts. Especially because this was being used as a human-interest story and they have to have a bad guy in them.

So wait out your criticism until you know the full facts. :)

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Though having said that you guys don't know all the facts. (Either do I but hear me out.)

Delian how do you know that it was the hospitals misjudgement, or that there was not some law that required them to do it? (The cutting the life support.)
[/B][/QUOTE]

Actually there is a law about life support Cloricus, you can have someone on life support for many years before the hospital is allowed to pull the plug. In order to do so they actually need to go to court against the family. Being the fact they didn't do this, they are extremely at fault.

So there's one fact for you. ;)

[Delian]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Though having said that you guys don't know all the facts. (Either do I but hear me out.)

Delian how do you know that it was the hospitals misjudgement, or that there was not some law that required them to do it? (The cutting the life support.)
:) [/B][/QUOTE]

When I said hospital is liable for negligence.. well isn't it? Isn't the hospital at fault when the doctors make that kind of error? In legal terms, I mean. (If not then my bad)

Do you know anything more than what Lady M has written? If so, I would like to know...:)

[Guest cloricus]

Okay thanks Rico, I'm very sketchy on the whole laws on that.
Yes Delian I have, I've watched a few news reports about it. (Hehe) Though I still don't think it's that clear cut, but I could be very wrong!
Just saying don?t believe every thing your told straight out, there could have been some reason why they pulled the plug? :P

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]But the surgeon admitted that he didn't check the info on the organs. He just assumed they were the right type. He could have at least looked at it.

Plus the family specifically said not to pull the plug until they got a second opinion. The hospital could have at least waited that long, so it seems suspicious.[/color]

[The Unholy Newt]

Even if there was a reason for the hospital to pull the plug, they still would have to get consent from the patient's family.

The family have every right to sue that doctor and the hospital for all they're worth.

~TUN

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i]
[B][COLOR=darkblue] What kind of an excuse is that?[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]
A lot if the organ donation place mislabeled the organ. Also, I'm not very aware of the % of success for simultaneous heart and lung transplants but I doubt it's extremely high.

[quote]And the fact that they pulled the plug after the family said to wait says to me that they're covering up something. [/quote]
The girl was braindead, if the family wanted to keep her alive through some stupid machine then they're morons.

[Mei]

Its a very disturbing and sad story...and it shouldn't have happened, but it did, and there is nothing that WE can do but rant and give out our opinions...so I shall give mine.
I do believe the doctors were careless, but you can't entirely blame them, the family took a risk, and this is what happened. The doctors should take majority fault for it though, they're the ones that made the horrid mistake. The doctors should have checked and made sure everything was ok, but since they were lazy arses who didn't give a crap and put too must trust in someone else, they messed up and took a life. A young life at that, I'd be pretty pissed if I was sittin in Heaven with my life taken away because someone was careless, but that happens a lot doesn't it? Of course if I was sittin in Heaven I'd prolly be happy too.Oo Still, both sides take a small ammount of blame, but mainly the doctors.>.>

[GinnyLyn]

Ok, I agree that problems could have arisen from mislabelled organs, but whether or not the girl was brain dead, the hospital was told to WAIT. And they willing went against what they were told to do.

So the wrong organ transplant is bad, but going against the family's wishes...that just isn't right.

But now we understand why doctors and hospitals cost so much, because of incidents like this. Whether this could have had a different outcome...we will never know. Sue away, my friends, you deserve to.

But it won't bring her back...

[Red]

[quote]There were massive risks in the procedure, she might have rejected the organs any way. This was just a risk they didn't anticipate. I lay no blame at all on the doctors and others involved. You cannot expect them to be right 100% of the time, it just isn't fare on them.[/quote]

[b][color=515050][size=1]Cloricus, this was obviously a major operation, that would have taken time to prepare and organise effectively. How a doctor, who I'm guessing would be a very senior level of surgeon, overlook something that seems relatively simple to comprehend, and is a part of his job?

A very sad story indeed. The fact that the hospital pulled the plug is even worse, they're only asking to be sued.[/b][/color][/size]

[ChibiV]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i]
[B]A lot if the organ donation place mislabeled the organ. Also, I'm not very aware of the % of success for simultaneous heart and lung transplants but I doubt it's extremely high.[/quote]
Really, that's so scary.


[quote]The girl was braindead, if the family wanted to keep her alive through some stupid machine then they're morons. [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree. What's the point of keeping someone alive if they're braindead.

[DeathKnight]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i]
[B]The girl was braindead, if the family wanted to keep her alive through some stupid machine then they're morons. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson]They wanted a second opinon, not to keep her dragging on hospital support. ;P
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This was one of those things that just seemed odd, and reminded me that the system doesnt always work as efficently as everyone makes it out to be. I felt really sorry for the girl and her family, and I do wish all the happiness that I have control over onto them.

I think that it was a simple mistake- Several people's mistakes somehow combined together to cause this to become a major newsmaker/event. I dont think it was any one parties fault, but from this thread alone you can see several different parties you can put the blame on.

The pull the plug thing seems to point to something darker, and I think the family should sue. If the family says 'Wait' than the hospital has to wait or else they can be put through alot of **** in the legal system.

God be with them.[/color]

[Red]

[quote]I agree. What's the point of keeping someone alive if they're braindead.[/quote]

[b][color=515050][size=1]Well, seeing a member of your family alive is sometimes better than seeing them dead.

It's obviously hard to effectively kill someone you love, regardless of what the circumstances are. It's understandable that a lot of people just can't face that kind of pain, especially after worrying about a major operation a loved one was having.

Things like this seem to be happening more frequently in the UK.. doctors making serious errors and normally ending up in someone dying because of it.[/b][/color][/size]

[ChibiV]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Elite [/i]
[B][b][color=515050][size=1]Well, seeing a member of your family alive is sometimes better than seeing them dead.

It's obviously hard to effectively kill someone you love, regardless of what the circumstances are. It's understandable that a lot of people just can't face that kind of pain, especially after worrying about a major operation a loved one was having.

Things like this seem to be happening more frequently in the UK.. doctors making serious errors and normally ending up in someone dying because of it.[/b][/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

I know, but I think that would be selfish. Letting that person alive, but can't do anything. I would rather choose what's best for that person than just for what I feel. It take a lot to let a person you love go.

[Frankie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i]
[B]
The girl was braindead, if the family wanted to keep her alive through some stupid machine then they're morons. [/B][/QUOTE]

Your the ..... no i wont revert to kiddie years and namecalling.


If they kept her alive through the machines for just long enough to get a second opinion they by chance could have acutaly saved her life. Then she would not have NEEDED the machines. The fact still remains that the hospital was told wo wait. And they did not. The family has every right to sue for all that the hospitals worth... or at least that doctor.

But like ginnylyn said... It wont bring her back. And as for the emotional stress the family went/ is going through. Money wont help that either.

[Mei]

Its very sad that the hospital did take the girls life. They pulled the plug on the one machine that was keeping her alive. They had no right to either, because the family DID say to wait. The doctors just didn't care cause they didn't have any hope. I don't believe the family has the right to sue over the organs, but they DO have the right to sue over the machine and life support keeping their daughter alive. The doctors really had no right.

[ChibiV]

Keep it longer for enough time. How long? What it takes forever?

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Blanko [/i]
[B]
If they kept her alive through the machines for just long enough to get a second opinion they by chance could have acutaly saved her life. Then she would not have NEEDED the machines. The fact still remains that the hospital was told wo wait. And they did not. The family has every right to sue for all that the hospitals worth... or at least that doctor.[/B][/QUOTE]
My grandfather this year was put on a machine to keep him alive. Have you ever seen someone that's hooked up to a respirator? It's not a pretty thing and they sure as hell don't look alive. Also, it would have to be pretty bad for them to even think the girl is braindead, let alone if it's true. My point is there was no reason to keep that girl alive.

[Semjaza]

Regardless of what people think emotionally, I always thought it was the family's decision in terms of life support. The hospital shouldn't have pulled the plug until they were given the okay, especially considering it's very obvious that they were still trying to figure things out.

In terms of organs... People make mistakes. You might be given the wrong food at the restaurant... However, this is so, so different. You work at a hospital, you can't afford to make idiotic mistakes like this when you are dealing with people's lives.

It doesn't matter how low the success rate is with the correct organ, she wasn't even given the correct one. That's the whole problem. The hospital workers' stupidity lowered her chances at living even more, from almost to nothing to basically zero.

After all that BS, how could you blame the family for wanting a second opinion? The hospital already screwed up once with her, why not again? I think it's understandable, of course they didn't even get to do that.

[Yu Yu Hakusho!]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i]
[B][COLOR=darkblue]I'm sure you've all heard about this.

A girl was given the wrong heart & lungs in her transplant. Apparently, the blood type was wrong. The surgeon claimed that the donation society (or whatever it's called) should have made sure everything was straight, so he didn't bother to double-check the blood type (or anything, I'm assuming). PLEASE! What kind of an excuse is that?

Then, to add insult to injury, after the hospital scrambled around to find a new set of organs, they gave her a new transplant. But soon after, the doctors claimed she was brain damaged & would die. The parents asked for a second opinion from an outside consultant, but before they could get it, the hospital pulled the plug! The family was very upset.

I don't know about you but this is very disturbing to me. Putting organs in with the wrong blood type is like putting kerosene into your gas tank! You'd think the doctors would be not ignorant enough, having gone to medical school, to at least get that easy part right. Also, the wrong organs could have gone to someone else (or two or three people) & saved their lives, which basically means they had a hand in killing more people.

And the fact that they pulled the plug after the family said to wait says to me that they're covering up something. [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]
It is sad that that girl died at only age 18, but I'm not sure if anyone heard this:
This girl and her family are illegal aliens from Mexico. This girl was smuggled into the US illegealy to get medical treatment. Sadly, even that didn't save her.
2 HEARTS that could've been used to save a United States Citizen were wasted on the girl. And after all that the poor girl died.
First, the doctor HAD to give treatment to her, the hospital cannot deny anyone. So first, he screwed up on the first heart and an American Citizen who had been waiting for that heart for a while died because they used the heart on the girl. And that one did not work still. The second heart was used, and that one didn't work for her either, and Americans that were waiting before her died. So, Americans died and this one girl died after 2 HEARTS.
I'm sorry that she died, but I can't beleive that after the 2 hearts that could've been used on Americans.....well, you get the point. It's sad that she died and all, but they completely forgot about the Americans waiting for those hearts. I have nothing against Mexicans, hell, I'm half Hispanic in the first place (my mom's from Brazil). The doctor is still a dumbass in the first place for failing BOTH times.....if it worked with the first heart in her, we could've saved an American and an alien. That would've been a good deal. Now we've lost more lives.
Another thing about this....I know that probably the girl's family is going to sue the hospital for their daughter's death and get millions. But still, I am sad for her death. NO ONE should die at such a young age. I don't care if she is an illegal alien. She was only 18.

[nezzyjean]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i]
[B][COLOR=darkblue]the doctors claimed she was brain damaged & would die. The parents asked for a second opinion from an outside consultant, but before they could get it, the hospital pulled the plug! The family was very upset. [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

Isn't it illegal 4 doctors to "pull the plug" without the families permision??? i don't know...but that doesn't sound right that they went ahead and did that...