Nexus_storm Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 right, this is my first thread that i have started, so if its spam, you all have my apology now!. any way to the point, do you think that it is important that you duel with honour, or with a degree of a code whilst setting up your deck, or is it general concensus to stock your deck with the most powerful cards that you can lay your mits on?, id love to know what other ppls opinions are on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pk88 Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Today, I was dueling a guy who had beed playing this game for two years(I've only played for less than a month) during lunch time. He beat me a couple of times but I beat him once. Then, he starts taking my milk, he opened it, and spat into it. Luckly I was able to keep myself from turning beserk on him. If I couldn't, he'd be dead by now. I'm gonna get back on him by rebuilding my deck, and beat him(I didnt use my best deck on him). This will ruin his reputation as a top duelist, cuz he's gonna lose to an amateur. And I'm sure my better deck will beat him.:devil: [SIZE=1][COLOR=purple]I merged these threads, as this seemed quite appropriate in here. This is an example of how not to duel (and lose) with honour. -Solo[/SIZE][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo Tremaine Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Heh, I enjoy the game a lot, and as satisfying as winning can be, it's still nice to be honourable when duelling. It's like fencing- you always have to be polite, courteous and cheap tricks aren't looked upon that highly. Although that's not to say any quick-play magic cards are cheap and dishonourable, though. Some quick, devastating moves are considered lucky, but aren't dishonourable necassarily. I think relying too much on one card isn't too honourable, let alone a good strategy. I try and balance my deck as much as possible, but you need to have the most powerful cards possible, really, because the aim of the game is still to win. You can have all level 4 monsters with over 2000 ATK (hypothetically), but that doesn't necessarily make you dishonourable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domon Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 I agree. Dueling with honor is the highest priority in the game. The two most dishonorable things in my book are as follows. 1.) People who rig their decks. 2.) People who act like they are gonna beat you and are just so sure of themselves. I extremely think item number two is the most dishonorable thing a duelist can do. I mean you're sitting there and this dude is just going on about how he's gonna beat you and then you turn around and kick their asses and you stick your hand out and say good duel and they metaphoriclly slap it away and still look down their noses at you. That just burns me up!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 [color=darkblue] I really don't think there is anything honourable about playing the game, seeing as how it [i]is[/i] just a game. Sure, you can be rude, by looking at the examples listed, but I don't think that's really being [i]dishonourable[/i] [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posthumous Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 [color=teal][size=1][b]I agree.It's not really honorable to duel.As Kinetic stated "It's just a game" But if your grandfather's soul is taking from a freaky scientist guy, then I guess it is.[/b][/size][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathBug Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Dueling with honor is essential. A person's integrity is everything. It is not dishonorable to play with the strongest monsters you can find, or to go all-out against a rookie. However, to gloat or cheat is utterly detestable. A person's worth is measured by what they're willing to sacrifice their integrity for. Don't let yousrself be measured by a card game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Altron Gundam Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Its all about skill, luck of the draw, and the flow of your deck. Whether you're honorable or dishonorable while dueling its the winner with the better skill and the better cohersed deck that will arise on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo Tremaine Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Altron has a point, but I think it's not necessarily the moves you make but the way you play, in that case. For example, do you always tell people what the effect of your card is or do you let them see for themselves? Or do you try and avoid telling them something essential because it would tip the odds against you? It's little things like that that may seem trivial but can mean a lot to the person duelling you. Although I don't agree that a duel isn't honourable. True, it is based mostly on luck, but there's still an honourable feel about it. After all, they aren't just any old cards you're drawing, these are ones you have collected and chosen as part of your deck. It's a hard thing to define, and the more I write the less convinced I am, but I still think they hold a sense of honour. Maybe not the tactics and moves especially- after all, you are trying to outmanouvre and overpower your opponent at every move. 'Duels' originally were throught ot be honourable ways of settling arguements, although that does seem a little dated now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gouf Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 It is just game. They is no heart to the cards. Going all out against a rookie and then gloating about it means your probley gonna get beat by him next time you play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus_storm Posted March 12, 2003 Author Share Posted March 12, 2003 i dissagree i am afraid. yes its just a game, but as others have said before me, your conduct during the game speaks volumes about who you are and what your willing to do to win the game. rigging your shuffle so that your most powerful card is very close to the top, or putting in 4 wingweavers (cheating)...then just not plying the others as they come up. there maybe no heart of the cards but each and every one of us knows whats right and wrong, honour is a state of mind / state of beleif in key factors about yourself, which includes not cheating, being curtious, always willing brush a defeat aside with a smile and continue to play with out loosing your temper at your loss. thank you all for helping to show me this (and i do bow my head to certain people in real life 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gouf Posted March 13, 2003 Share Posted March 13, 2003 I fyou get caught chgeating at the store i worked at you were etheir band from the store or had to four-fit the game and were temperlly band. But that is if your oppeant wasn't a veary veary nice person. I admit i like loseing mor than wining but pepole have egos and they can't help themself. Most pepole caught cheatin when i had a rank syestem set up at my school were kicked off the rank so they couldn't particepat in the toument i was going to have. Tour right your conduct dose reflect on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Joeykuba Posted March 13, 2003 Share Posted March 13, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gouf [/i] [B]It is just game. They is no heart to the cards.[/B][/QUOTE] Your wrong, Gouf, there IS a heart of the cards! You may think me to be crazy but... the heart of the cards as yet to fail me in a serious duel.:smirk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Altron Gundam Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by blackgatomon [/i] [B]Your wrong, Gouf, there IS a heart of the cards! You may think me to be crazy but... the heart of the cards as yet to fail me in a serious duel.:smirk: [/B][/QUOTE] OO; Oh boy..the cheap ploys of an anime in relation to its CCG...--; Look, its JUST a card game made by a marketing comapny. There is no heart of the cards. The heart of the cards is some weird thing they made up to beef up duels. If there was a real Yuugi drawing like that, its just plain luck. Duels are made up of the cohesiveness of a deck, how well it flows, and luck of the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathBug Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 Let me start out by saying that "Heart of the Cards" annoys the scuz out of me. That said, I believe the HOTC is a philosiphy, not an actual...other thing... The philosiphy generally involves having confidence in yourself (good to teach), knowing your friends support you (can't really help you in a duel, but a good life lesson), playing fairly, without cheating or boasting when your opponent looses, (the best part), a tenacity that doesn't allow you to quit before the games is played out, (again, life lesson), and probably something else I'm forgetting. However, there is a difference getween the HOTC and "having faith in your deck". HOTC, like I said, is a philosiphy, but having faith in your deck should mean that you assembled it so well and with such care that you have confidence in your ability to draw a useful card that can get you out of whatever mess you're in. true, luck of the draw is involved, but if you put your deck together well enough, luck should usually always be on your side. By the way, I am still a proponent of dueling with integrity, if not "Honor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus_storm Posted March 15, 2003 Author Share Posted March 15, 2003 are integrity and honour not the same thing (in a sense?)...any way, about the HOTC situation, i do have to say im not convinced, BUT if it helps you beleive in your deck and whilst doing so, it never fails you then thats greet and you should carry on. There isnt any one here that can tewll you what to and what not to do or beleive (save the moderators, but i think you all know what i mean) , and with out viable proof about its existence or lack of, i refuse to comment greetly on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastSheikah Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 I may be in this a little too deep, but this is my opinion. There IS, in a way, a Heart of the Cards. One day a jerky new kid with Duel Monster cards moved to my school. I was outside Dueling a 5th grader and the guy came up and stole my Cosmo Queen, put it in his deck, shuffled it well, and challenged me to a Duel for it. I whipped him pretty badly. In my first hand I had Seiyaryu, Dark Magician, La Jinn, Monster Reborn, Soul Exchange, and I drew the Field card Yami. When I took Cosmo Queen out of his deck it was at the very bottom. I'm serious!!!! My cards won't work for anyone else! I let my best friend borrow my cards for one Duel and he got creamed badly. All of my best cards turned up at the very bottom. Now how's that for a good example?!?!?! In Yami's words, "I doubt you have that kind of faith in your cards." Honor-wise, an honourable Duelist is one who is willing to Duel for what is right, no matter how hard the chalenges may seem. To Duel with honor is to Duel with wisdom, courage, and a trust in the Cards. I rest my case. *walks away into the shadows* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus_storm Posted April 3, 2003 Author Share Posted April 3, 2003 to a degree i do agree with you about the THOTC (one more letter and you would have the ancient egyption god of scribes), my deck on several occasions whilst dueling has supplied me with the right card to get out of an almost unwinnable situation , some ppl put it down to luck, but if you stop to think about it, you built the deck, so you know the cards in there...its just that my deck seems to just give me the right card some times...other times it wont have the right card in time, but it is usually not too far from the top. Any way back to honour, on this one i totally agree with you. honour is duelling with courage nd for the right reasons, BUT its also knowing your own limitations. dont enter some thing you know you can not win, it serves no purpose to expend resources on a fruitless battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... LastSheikah Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 This makes me so proud to be an honourable Duelist. :D GO HOTC!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Guest ShadowCat09 Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 i dissagree with you my dear brother nexus, how can there be any heart of the cards (it took me ages to find out what that ment). now about honour, well im going to agree. im as honourable as my dear brother and i wouldnt have any one any other way especially him Shadow dweller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Solo Tremaine Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 In terms of the Heart of the Cards, I'd have to agree with Beelzebumon: [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Beelzebumon [/i] [B]Let me start out by saying that "Heart of the Cards" annoys the scuz out of me. That said, I believe the HOTC is a philosiphy, not an actual...other thing...[/B][/QUOTE] Well, maybe not to that extent ^_^; I don't find it that annoying, even if it is a little gooified for the anime series. But I've always been someone who relies on dreams heavily. I'm always in a fantasy world. [QUOTE][B] However, there is a difference getween the HOTC and "having faith in your deck". HOTC, like I said, is a philosiphy, but having faith in your deck should mean that you assembled it so well and with such care that you have confidence in your ability to draw a useful card that can get you out of whatever mess you're in. true, luck of the draw is involved, but if you put your deck together well enough, luck should usually always be on your side. By the way, I am still a proponent of dueling with integrity, if not "Honor". [/B][/QUOTE] I think that's very true- Heart of the Cards is probably a metaphor for all of the care taken in selecting the cards for your deck and the knack of being able to pull them out in a clinch. People can believe what they like to believe. In a sense, you know your deck so well that you can almost 'trust in it' in the same way Yugi does, but even then it doesn't [i]always[/i] come through. Many times I've really needed a monster and all I've gotten is magic or trap cards that haven't been able to help me any. But there have been times when the cards have really been useful and have turned around the course of the Duel. I think it's both luck and skill, and confidence to a certain extent, but there's nothing wrong with a little bit of fantasy, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Guest Altron Gundam Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 I think you guys take the dub writer's madeup lines way too seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Digital Monster Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 So? It's just a bit of fun. Whether you believe in the Heart of The Cards or not, Yu-Gi-Oh's still a cool game. THOTC is a philosophy behind the game and if it helps to encourage people not to give up and play great duels then I say good on them. Just give these people a break. They want to win as badly as anyone else- they just have a different way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... LastSheikah Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 It's like "Break a leg" when you're doing something important that you sould do good at. They don't mean you should break a leg, they mean good luck. THOTC is an encouraging saying. It's not like the cards have a physical heart...that'd be just plain creepy. It just means trust in your deck. Another example, except it doesn't really have to do with YGO cards. I had a hamster who would bite me like crazy when I had just barely got him. When we got to trust each other more he would NEVER bite me, but sure would bite everyone else. Trust in your deck, and you can always win. I just had a good idea that explains THOTC really well. Often in a tight spot in a Duel you draw a card. At the time the card seems useless, but then...you find a plan that can whip your opponents rear end pretty well. It makes no sense, but it's an idea... *mumbles at her early morning stupidity* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Create an account or sign in to comment You need to be a member in order to leave a comment Create an account Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy! Register a new account Sign in Already have an account? Sign in here. Sign In Now Share More sharing options... Followers 0
LastSheikah Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 This makes me so proud to be an honourable Duelist. :D GO HOTC!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ShadowCat09 Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 i dissagree with you my dear brother nexus, how can there be any heart of the cards (it took me ages to find out what that ment). now about honour, well im going to agree. im as honourable as my dear brother and i wouldnt have any one any other way especially him Shadow dweller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo Tremaine Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 In terms of the Heart of the Cards, I'd have to agree with Beelzebumon: [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Beelzebumon [/i] [B]Let me start out by saying that "Heart of the Cards" annoys the scuz out of me. That said, I believe the HOTC is a philosiphy, not an actual...other thing...[/B][/QUOTE] Well, maybe not to that extent ^_^; I don't find it that annoying, even if it is a little gooified for the anime series. But I've always been someone who relies on dreams heavily. I'm always in a fantasy world. [QUOTE][B] However, there is a difference getween the HOTC and "having faith in your deck". HOTC, like I said, is a philosiphy, but having faith in your deck should mean that you assembled it so well and with such care that you have confidence in your ability to draw a useful card that can get you out of whatever mess you're in. true, luck of the draw is involved, but if you put your deck together well enough, luck should usually always be on your side. By the way, I am still a proponent of dueling with integrity, if not "Honor". [/B][/QUOTE] I think that's very true- Heart of the Cards is probably a metaphor for all of the care taken in selecting the cards for your deck and the knack of being able to pull them out in a clinch. People can believe what they like to believe. In a sense, you know your deck so well that you can almost 'trust in it' in the same way Yugi does, but even then it doesn't [i]always[/i] come through. Many times I've really needed a monster and all I've gotten is magic or trap cards that haven't been able to help me any. But there have been times when the cards have really been useful and have turned around the course of the Duel. I think it's both luck and skill, and confidence to a certain extent, but there's nothing wrong with a little bit of fantasy, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Altron Gundam Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 I think you guys take the dub writer's madeup lines way too seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Monster Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 So? It's just a bit of fun. Whether you believe in the Heart of The Cards or not, Yu-Gi-Oh's still a cool game. THOTC is a philosophy behind the game and if it helps to encourage people not to give up and play great duels then I say good on them. Just give these people a break. They want to win as badly as anyone else- they just have a different way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastSheikah Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 It's like "Break a leg" when you're doing something important that you sould do good at. They don't mean you should break a leg, they mean good luck. THOTC is an encouraging saying. It's not like the cards have a physical heart...that'd be just plain creepy. It just means trust in your deck. Another example, except it doesn't really have to do with YGO cards. I had a hamster who would bite me like crazy when I had just barely got him. When we got to trust each other more he would NEVER bite me, but sure would bite everyone else. Trust in your deck, and you can always win. I just had a good idea that explains THOTC really well. Often in a tight spot in a Duel you draw a card. At the time the card seems useless, but then...you find a plan that can whip your opponents rear end pretty well. It makes no sense, but it's an idea... *mumbles at her early morning stupidity* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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