Gaming Who is the ulitmate FF villan?

[jitoya]

Ok who do you think is the Ulitmate Final Fantasy Villan?

Why do you think he/she/it is the ulitmate villan?

What Final Fantasy is he/she/it from?

and if you could change their Fate how would you change it?

[Charles]

This is a tough decision for me. It's a close call between Sin from FFX and Sephiroth from FFVII. In the end, I find myself leaning more towards Sephiroth.

Sin appealed to me because it's an unstoppable monster that's neither predictable nor reasonable. It just [i]lives[/i] for destruction.

Furthermore, [spoiler]it was a nice twist having Jecht become a part of Sin. The conflict in the plot it created was magnificent. I'll never forget Tidus' classic showdown with his father. It was very touching.[/spoiler]

That being said, Sephiroth possessed a certain cunning and cruelty that Sin did not. I mean, you can't fault a monster for being destructive. [i]It's what a monster does.[/i]

I'll never forget the image of Sephiroth walking through the flames in Cloud's hometown--or when he [spoiler]killed Aeris[/spoiler]. The expression on his face, the sinister smile, gave the character an edge that Sin couldn't have.

My answer to the fate question is a little unique. Instead of outright changing Sephiroth's fate, I would rather have SQUARE do a better job translating the game and developing his persona better. I was very confused as to whether I was fighting the real Sephiroth or a Jenova clone at time. Plus, his reasoning for becoming insane wasn't as clear or emotional as it could have been. I understand why he went down the path he chose, but I didn't feel it as much as I could have.

[Semjaza]

I've come to find that nearly everyone in the world thinks Sephiroth. I've also found that people who never got very far in FF6 think Kefka's a clown and can't compare.

I think these people should beat that game and realize that Kefka could kick Sephiroth's *** any day of the week... and at the same time we get to avoid all the drama about how horrible his life (or lack of it I guess) is and what he deserves in it (Kefka had this too, but at least they knew when to stop).

Kefka's killed more people indirectly than Sephiroth ever did, and you can't even compare all the people he actually got rid of in cold blood, because it still overwhelms what Sephiroth had done (even after that burning everything down business).

[i]Sephiroth is the most overrated villian in RPG history.[/i]

There I said it.

As for Sin, I don't really compare it to the other villians in the series mostly because it's just this giant [i]thing[/i]. It lacks any human qualities that I could truly identify with or be interested in, and although I guess in a sense it embodies all evil... I don't feel it's the best of the group.

[Charles]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]I've also found that people who never got very far in FF6 think Kefka's a clown and can't compare.[/quote][/b]

I have a feeling that comment stems from one of the conversations we've had. Then again, it's probably just my guilty conscience since I know it pertains to my feelings.

I never owned a Super Nintendo, so my experiences with Final Fantasy began on the PSX. I'm sure the same can be said of many others. So, it's understandable that Sephiroth should be widely regarded as the favorite villain in the Final Fantasy series. The antagonists in the Final Fantasy games following VII haven't be particularly memorable or captivating. Especially FFVIII's boss.

And--actually by summoning meteor Sephiroth was the catalyst that caused the entire planet's human population to be wiped out. How do you like those apples? ;)

Lastly, Sin can be identified with [spoiler]Jecht. Tidus hates his father. It's appropriate that his outer appearance should become that of a monster.[/spoiler]

Boom shaka laka.

[Mitch]

[color=red] I say Kefka. He's manically insane, and that squirrel laugh of his is just spine-tingling.

But really, if someone actually took the time to go through FF6, or if they looked more comparison-wise at Sephiroth and Kefka, Kefka would outstand. He's just badass. That's just Kefka.

So, it's very close. But I say Kefka. He's the villian from my favorite Final Fantasy...He's just Kefka. Badass.[/color]

[Guest Zeh]

[COLOR=003399]He's not my favorite, but Kefka's definately cool.

People all reacted when Sephy killed Aeris, but it didn't make a big impact when he killed General Leo. Like i said in another topic, I actually smiled when Aeris died, she was useless to me. First time through FFVI, I thought i was getting General Leo on my team, he was awesome! Then of course he died, and i lunged at my screen to get at Kefka. We can't forget the poison in the water either. And the laugh... Even when they couldn't have voice-overs, they still managed to get him an insane laugh...

I can't really think of any other good Villians. FF4 had Goblez, he was uslesss. FF5, i don't think it had a main aggressor... FF7 had Sephy, he was cool, but i've always liked Kefka too... losing your mind was getting old then o_O.

FF8, augh, i can't even think of when Seifer was dangerous.... FF9, Kuja? Thats just funny, i'm gonna get scared outta my pants at a little red feather headed thong-boy...FFX's Sin, i didn't really compare him as a villian, for the fact you really never knew he was [spoiler]human, until really far in.[/spoiler]

So i guess i'll have to say Kefka ^^;; [/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Charles [/i]
[B] I have a feeling that comment stems from one of the conversations we've had. Then again, it's probably just my guilty conscience since I know it pertains to my feelings.[/B][/QUOTE]

Actually, it didn't have much to do with you really... I've found that this is what people think in general. It doesn't seem like many people get very far in the game before they dismiss him, and early on all he does is laugh and act weird.

As for Sin... The whole "I hate my dad!" thing drove me nuts. Sin is still a lot more than Jecht, at least to my understanding... And I can't exactly be interested in him when most of it is from Tidus' weird perspective.

And for FF7, Meteor was stopped. Obviously not everyone died, because if they did nothing would have happened. So therefore, he didn't really kill any of those people.

Kefka totally rearranged the planet's surface with his actions, and in the process killed who knows how many people. He wins.

If you want to get into other things he planned to do, since obviously Sephiroth planned to kill everyone and didn't, Kefka still leads I'd say.

[Hinata]

I thought that Seymore Guado(FFX) made a prety awesome villian...eventhough he wasn't the main villian. He was in a way the villian that Sin couldn't be!!!!

He had a purpose besides just being there to destroy he was trying to continue the cycle of Sin and would have done anything to have completed. He saw destruction as a way to continues Spira's world...He thought that was the only way for them to survie and he wanted to become Sin so that he could continue the destuction.

I personally liked him as is and wouldn't have changed it at all. Although it would be neat to see how he would have made out as Sin!!!!

[Desbreko]

[color=indigo]I agree with Tasis and Semjaza, Kefka is definitely the best, in my opinion. Like Tasis, I was actually [i]really[/i] pissed when Kefka killed General Leo, and killed all those Espers to get the Magicite. With Sephiroth killing Aeris, sure, I was said, but the reaction wasn't nearly as big as the reaction to some of the things Kefka did. I almost couldn't believe it when he pushed the Statues around, and ended up actually rearranging the continents. And then there was all that with the "Light of Judgement," or whatever it was called. Heck, the town of Mobliz was totally destroyed by that.

But yeah, Kefka, to me, came off as a lot more evil than Sephiroth. He might not have had that same "cool" feeling about him, but he was definitely a lot nastier.

Oh, and about Sephiroth summoning Meteor, which would have killed everyone... Sure, Sephiroth would have killed everyone, but Kefka took over the whole world, and made everyone fear for their lives every day, in addition to killing tons of people. I think that's worse than just straight up killing everyone. (That, and Sephiroth was stopped; Kefka actually pulled it off, and [i]then[/i] was stopped after a whole year of ruling the world).[/color]

[Sandy]

[u]Gameplay-wise[/u], Kefka was a lowly [i]imp[/i] compared to Safer Sephiroth. I just finished playing ff6, and here's how my final battle went: None of my characters were over 60 in level, and most of them were below 40. I put the characters in a REALLY strange order, mostly because I had no idea what the list meant - I lived in the hope that I would get to CHOOSE the final four for the final battle, but no...

So, after the three "warm-up" battles I lost Relm, Strago and Setzer. I had Terra and Locke from the beginning, and for the final battle they were joined by Gau and Umaro (my worst characters! :bluesweat )

I thought that now I was doomed, and would had to start the battle from the beginning. But to my surprise, a few Ultima's from Terra, and Kefka went down like a rock! :eek:

So how's that for a good match?! :grumble:

As for Safer Sephiroth... well, let's just say I still have nightmares. :nervous:

But [u]story-wise[/u]... Kefka was frigging SCARY!!! "Bweh-heh-heh-heh-hee!" *runs away and hides*
...
*comes out from the hide*
Okay, Sephiroth was no "Aeris" neither, but a lunatic dictator against l'homme-fatal... Well, Sephiroth was too much a "dramaqueen" for me.

As for the rest of the bunch:

I never passed FF8, so I don't know how *biatch* Ultimecia was, but Edea was GREAT! Seifer... nah!

In FF9, Kuja [i]looked[/i] awesome, but he has kinda the same problem as Sephie; so what if your childhood was bad, that doesn't justify massacres! Beatrix wasn't as [i]evil[/i] as the possessed Edea, but *insert honey-sweet voice* I'd battle her any day... :smooch: *end honey-sweet voice*

Well, I haven't played the rest of the games, but Seymour looks dashing, so I bet he makes a good villain as well. Lets just see what the future games bring us...

[Desbreko]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sage [/i]
[B]But to my surprise, a few Ultima's from Terra, and Kefka went down like a rock! :eek:

So how's that for a good match?! :grumble:[/B][/QUOTE]
[color=indigo]Lol, sure, Kefka might go down after a few Ultimas, but Safer Sephiroth will also go down after a few Knights of the Round. Neither of them are really all [i]that[/i] hard if you know what you're doing and you have a decent party.[/color]

[Guest Zeh]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sage [/i]
[B]Well, I haven't played the rest of the games, but Seymour looks dashing, so I bet he makes a good villain as well. Lets just see what the future games bring us... [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=003399]Seymour's retarded.... He looks like he's pregnant, with the way his shirt sticks out, his plans to take over the world, welll they were second-rate, he really didn't do anything either... Even Sephiroth killed more people than him..... by a long shot... [/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

The last battle with Sephiroth is nothing but you being forced to do some limit break til he dies (or something like that), it's hardly anything amazing.

Even including all the fights before the final one, I didn't lose a single character... and I was in level 75 or something. I'm sure most of you were in 99 or so, judging from other topics heh.

But between all those random guys before Kefka, and then Kefka himself... That was much harder altogether. There is no way Kefka himself didn't get a few great attacks in on you before your Terra could cast a few Ultimas. He has that "God's Hand" (or whatever) attack that brings everyone down to 1 HP. It's not [i]that[/i] simple.

Anyway, Seymour was alright... although a bit of a hack (for lack of a better word). I don't think he's even up there as a villian though.

[Spikey]

[COLOR=blue]The real villian. Ah, seeing as I haven't beat FF6 yet, I don't know how good Kefka, so I can't say him. Final Fantasy 7's Sephiroth wasn't much of a threat to Cloud, like the other heroes, and the other villians. Sin could quilify, and so could Sephiroth. I don't think that Sephiroth killed as much people as Sin, and Sin killed like athousand people at a time. Sin wasn't actually a threat at the begining at all. Once you got farther in the game, like Tasis said, [spoiler]it took a while to find out that Sin was human[/spoiler].


I'm saying this because Sin killed the most people, he was scary, and Wakka always told Tidus to stay away from Sin. Because they knew that Sin was strong, and a big threat. He was so big, that when he uprised from the ground he destroyed at least 300 people, and if not that many, a lot of people. That's my opinion.

Final Fantasy X, is where Sin is from. I'm sure you all knew that though.

Now, me changing Sin's fate. I have no clue. I guess, making him [spoiler]go back to human[/spoiler]. That's all I can say.[/color]

[jitoya]

Sephiroth was a Great villan cause he had honnor a huge sword (does anyone know where he hid that thing?????) and do any of you realise
that if he completed his plan he would of became something close to a god.

Sin well i was dissapointed with him not only was it the third to last boss but was completely over-rated and easy

Kuja was just lame i mean they could of mad him better (and they that other guy outta nowhere whats up with that????)

Seymour well to tell you the truth i thought he was a Sephiroth wannabe who needed to think up some more taunts

but the Weapons are the best villans (except omega in number 10)
cause they are evil hard and just look plain mean

[Guest Zeh]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jitoya [/i]
[B]but the Weapons are the best villans (except omega in number 10)
cause they are evil hard and just look plain mean [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=013399]Omega.... he's easy.... much [b]MUCH[/b] more easy than either emerald or ruby from FFVII...

I killed Omega in a hit. It was impossible to kill any of the others in a hit... [/COLOR]

[jitoya]

Yea i agree Omega pansy (I never ever will consider him a Weapon)

oh and you guys out there

What do you think is the toughest Monster in all Final fantasys

for me its Great Molbaros (excuse spelling)

[Charles]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Desbreko [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Oh, and about Sephiroth summoning Meteor, which would have killed everyone... Sure, Sephiroth would have killed everyone, but Kefka took over the whole world, and made everyone fear for their lives every day, in addition to killing tons of people. I think that's worse than just straight up killing everyone. (That, and Sephiroth was stopped; Kefka actually pulled it off, and [i]then[/i] was stopped after a whole year of ruling the world).[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[b][quote]Kefka totally rearranged the planet's surface with his actions, and in the process killed who knows how many people. He wins.[/quote][/b]

And humanity didn't fear for their lives while having a gigantic meteor suspended above their heads? Or when seing it regenerate after Cid's space rocket obliterated it? lol

What people are failing to realize here is that Sephiroth [i]did[/i] manage to summon Meteor. Because of that, Aeris summoned Holy to counteract it. The combination of the two destroyed the Earth's [b]entire[/b] human population.

It doesn't really matter who people prefer between the two baddies. I'm not arguing that Sephiroth is better per say (although Kefka never impaled a giant serpant on a stake or brought a global corporation to its knees), but I'd hardly say that KefKa's actions led to the [i]complete[/i] destruction of humanity. ;)

[Semjaza]

And people didn't fear for their lives when the entire planet's surface was rearranged and pretty much destroyed? Meanwhile thieves and bandits wound up ruling the land, and monsters terrorized people even more than usual.

The fact is... Sephiroth tried to do these things. He never actually did, and to me that's the key. Kefka, while he never destroyed the whole world, had very simliar plans and actually completed a good portion of them.

Kefka himself practically destroyed a few espers as well, and I'd like to think they are a bit stronger than a giant snake your characters can kill anyway. Kefka also overthrew the whole Empire as well, so there's a counter for that argument as well.

[GinnyLyn]

Now for the cheesy argument--do you know how many Seph fangirls (including yours truly) he practically killed with his sexy self.

:blush:

How many fangirls can say that about Kefka? Seriously.

Killing entire population versus a good chunk of it.
Homicidial, irrational rage versus cold and calculated vengance.
Really really awesome and huge sword versus--um, versus, um...um?
Handful of his plans versus most of his.
Sexy versus [i]where the friggin' Hades did he get his fashion tips?!??[/i]

Heh, I'll go into Sin and Kuja after I get back from church. ;)

[Desbreko]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Charles [/i]
[B]What people are failing to realize here is that Sephiroth [i]did[/i] manage to summon Meteor. Because of that, Aeris summoned Holy to counteract it. The combination of the two destroyed the Earth's [b]entire[/b] human population.[/B][/QUOTE]
[color=indigo]Um...where exactly are you getting that from? Why would Holy and the Lifestream [i]stopping[/i] Meteor destroy the entire human population?

I mean, it does show Red XIII later, standing on a cliff above the ruined Midgar with his cubs. Sure, he's not human, but he was with Cloud and the rest of the team when Meteor was stopped, so I'd think that if something killed them, it would've gotten Red XIII, too.[/color]

[Semjaza]

I prefer the design of Kefka himself if you really want to compare the looks. The walking sprites might not convey it, and I don't feel the FMV of anyone in FF6 on PSX was good... but the original Amano art of Kefka simply is gorgeous. Compared to some gothy looking guy with a big sword, I'll take Kefka.

There are a lot of fans that prefer FF6 as well as Kefka, girls included. The fact of the matter is that almost everyone started on FF7 and loved it for one reason or another, and then either only played two hours of FF6 or never really gave it a fair chance due to its differences from FF7. That doesn't cover everyone of course, but I'm finding that it's the case in general.

And personally I don't see how some guy going nuts over stuff that the game doesn't even explain well (you have to admit that most people just fill in blanks for this guy) compares to the intelligence and cruelty of Kefka (who by the way, pretty much goes just as insane himself). He had very little to get revenge or vengeance over, he just wanted everything.

In the end, Sephiroth was completely stopped. A couple things were left to be destroyed (and I guess by the ending this could be argued, but obviously things survived for the reasons mentioned), meanwhile nothing could ever fix what Kefka had done. The people had to bring themsevles to get past it. Continents don't suddenly move back to their original states in a few hundred years.

And really...who is to say Kefka wouldn't have done far more if he wasn't stopped? Okay, so Seph wanted to kill everyone. Wouldn't matter much when he was dead too. Kefka was at least smart about it, and if you see what he can do later in the game I'd have to say destroying the entire population wasn't something that he just couldn't do.

[Charles]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Desbreko [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Um...where exactly are you getting that from? Why would Holy and the Lifestream [i]stopping[/i] Meteor destroy the entire human population?

I mean, it does show Red XIII later, standing on a cliff above the ruined Midgar with his cubs. Sure, he's not human, but he was with Cloud and the rest of the team when Meteor was stopped, so I'd think that if something killed them, it would've gotten Red XIII, too.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, as mentioned in the game, Holy wouldn't solely attack Meteor. Its purpose was to attack whatever proved to be a threat to the planet. Humanity was a threat. Think about it. Humanity was siphoning Mako from the planet with reactors, slowly killing it.

Red XIII's race was not guilty of committing such devastating crimes against the planet. Thus, it was spared.

So, in a sense Sephiroth did destroy one world, making room for another to begin at the same time.

[The Vampire: Ed]

Holy is meant to annihilate anything seen as a threat to the Earth, as far as I can remember anyway. With all of the recent events involving Mako, and Sephiroth summoning Meteor to destroy the planet it was easy for humans to be seen as a threat to the Earth. This is why it is believed that all mankind was destroyed by Holy, and Meteor.

As for Sephiroth going mad, it is explained quite well. Simply, Sephiroth has lived his whole life as a top ranking soldier of Shinra, and has been seen as a hero to many. After living that life for so long he finds evidence that he is in fact a clone, and Jenova was is mother. Jenova was killed by humans, the humans he protected his entire life as a soldier. Living as long as he has, then suddenly finding out that his entire life was nothing but a lie, well, I'd assume going insane was the most obvious thing that would happen.

I started playing Final Fantasy with FF3/6 so I didn't just go back and choose Sephiroth because he looked better since he was 3D. No, personally I just liked Sephiroth better because he had no allegiance to anyone except for himself and his "mother" Jenova. Kefka on the other hand needed, and had soldiers, monsters, etc. working for him. Sephiroth just had himself, and the occasionally summoned Jenova forms. Kefka had a goofy laugh, clownish look, and an evil demeanor.

I'm not saying Kefka wasn't good, but I don't think he can compete with Sephiroth. Sephiroth was like a super human, he alone impaled a HUGE snake on a tree, slain almost the entire Shinra staff, burned Tifa's village down, impaled Cloud, slashed Tifa, killed Aeris, and eventually causes the death of all humanity.

Kefka was a pain for the FF3/6 characters, but it seems like Sephiroth has done more damage to the main characters in FF7.

This is more of an opinion, while some people might like Kefka better. Others like Sephiroth better, but still I'd say Sephiroth did the most damage of the two.

[silentdeath]

sephiroth,
no compare,
kefka,was ok but sephiroth is in a league of his own.plus i never thought of kefka as just plain cool,sephiroth though was the greatest,and i can't forget(even though it's not a FF game it is a FF baddy)the battle with sephiroth in kingdom hearts,if you wan't ticked you should have saw me fighting him!