Kent Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Charles [/i] [B] The fact that Dan's parents [i]care[/i] about what he's doing, combined with his respect for their decision and his success in school prove that he's not a loser--even if he has made some mistakes. It's now up to him to learn from those mistakes and avoid repeating them. [/B][/QUOTE] I have to agree with charles here. He has a very important point and even more an unspoken point that I know, which he did not make. That stat... 70%+ of black fourth graders in America can not read. That is what makes for a problem with your tax dollars and people having to resort to crime. The fact that you are worried about having to pay or "deal" with "losers" like this kid experimenting with pot is just a perfect example of liberals for every conservative to use in the most insulting of ways. Dont take that the wrong way, I know you are a good person... literally a good person, you care about what is on the inside of a person and what is the true nature of each individual. However, this kid is at a cross roads. He can let illegal substances and practices ruin his life, or he can balance all the stresses thrown at him. School, girls, social place and the home life... Everyone of us that survived puberty knows that was a troubled time. Drugs, alcohol... which one of us over the age of 18 hasn't played with them? I have, but now I know that the high and love of weed isn't worth the trouble I will have if I continue my practice. I guess what I mean is that... This board member isn't your tax problem. High taxes are your problem. But life as a common teen is this guys problem and you should try supporting him with your own "experience" with turblent adolescence as a openly gay male. In that position you should be willing to accept anothers problems and most of all, support their decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]That stat... 70%+ of black fourth graders in America can not read.[/B][/QUOTE] [color=ff00cc] [size=1]That's odd... I've been in the reading buddies program since the fourth grade, and out of all the kids I've helped read were very good. Alot of the black kindergarden-fifth graders were actually some of the most enthusiastic. I don't think that's very current... :therock:[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 I am having a hard time citing the exact source so I will come out with the second hand source that has been accepted by the open media and the intellectual community on both sides of the political spectrum... the O rielly factor. Several "minority leaders" were faced with this statistic on national television and all accepted its legitimacy. Hate to say it, but your personal experience with forth and fifth graders has little or no reflection on the national statistics. However, you must acount for places like dense cities in highly populated states like new york. With a overly dense population of one kind in one area, there is room for a odd statistics, such as this case. Just as with anything else, one large group can misrepresent the unspoken majority. Every study has its holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 I fail to see that partying with drugs and sex is a "normal" actvity for a 13 year old. I certainly wasn't having sex at 13. I went to Birthday partys when I was 16, not friends parties with beer and drugs, in fact thats why I don't go to parties at all. When i was 13, I was playing basketball with my 13 year old friends. Actually they were older. I was playing video games all day long when I wasn't sleeping or at school. I mean shouldn't you just begin to masturbate at 13 and not having sex? It's poor judgement on the child's part and even worse on the parents, who were probably the same way, or too young or not right to raise any child. I know some that did that stuff at such a young age, usually they always ended up the type of person to drop out of school, fail, and just not care about anything but "getting high" and having fun. Always ended up being the losers to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 TN, you are possibly more insulting than anyone on this board because of your own air of indifference to the possible insults that your comments may represent. I condem the idea of taking part in the above stated actions... I never supported the idea that a 13 year old should be doing such activities. (drugs sex etc) Although Im sure you just made a simple mistake about the sex thing because he did say specifically that he hadn't "done it." All the while you are reffering to the parents of this child indirectly as bad parents and the child themself as a loser. You should be far more ashamed for your lack of tolerance than this kid should be for his bad decisions. This truely has become another example of the self proclaimed victim of discrimination (that homosexuality thread we had a couple weeks ago) taking the moral low ground by showing their own intolerance for the mistakes of another. Although,I gotta say... since you went to birthday parties and played basketball at that age, you are definatly entitled the right to insult anyone you wish, none the less the parents who responded in a proper authoritative fashion upon finding out about the mistakes of their child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest postbagboy Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 well, you should'nt be doing stuff that will well cut your lifespan a few decades short. i think the losers happen to be the sensible people that seem to be miscredited. they actually have the brains not to do all that stuff. your parents are not "pressuring" you by telling you to stay away from drugs, but "protecting" you by telling you to stay away from drugs. it's quite simple. well, i that's my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gokents [/i] [B]TN, you are possibly more insulting than anyone on this board because of your own air of indifference to the possible insults that your comments may represent. I condem the idea of taking part in the above stated actions... I never supported the idea that a 13 year old should be doing such activities. (drugs sex etc) Although Im sure you just made a simple mistake about the sex thing because he did say specifically that he hadn't "done it." All the while you are reffering to the parents of this child indirectly as bad parents and the child themself as a loser. You should be far more ashamed for your lack of tolerance than this kid should be for his bad decisions. This truely has become another example of the self proclaimed victim of discrimination (that homosexuality thread we had a couple weeks ago) taking the moral low ground by showing their own intolerance for the mistakes of another. Although,I gotta say... since you went to birthday parties and played basketball at that age, you are definatly entitled the right to insult anyone you wish, none the less the parents who responded in a proper authoritative fashion upon finding out about the mistakes of their child. [/B][/QUOTE] Uh no, it's not that at all. I HATE [size=1] most[/size] kids. Call me what you will. Whatever the prejudicial word is for a immaturity hater. The word sex applies to any sexual act regardless of actual intercourse. Thats why it's called oral SEX. Notice I didn't ever say intercourse. And I wasn't getting a blow job at age 13 either. Masturbating is a form of sex. I hate kids because I do. It's a psychological thing about me, blame my brother. If you don't believe me, talk to my former therapist. She'll tell you that all I refered to in my sessions was how much the immaturity of my brother absolutely bothered me beyond any reasonable undoing. I was chronically depressed, and still am, because of it. His immature comments and doings effected my who life, and I resent it and everyone who does it to. I don't associate myself with immature, stupid people because I've delt with it enough, I don't think I need to anymore. My brother is exactly that though. I've lived with it my whole life, and because he was stupid enough to have sex at an early age, he had a KID when he was 16. Which now my parents and the mothers parents must take care of because he's not smart enoug, old enough, or financially secure enough at all to raise a child. I will solely blame him and the mother if my neice ends up being anything like the things mentioned in this thread. The way I see it, if you aren't responcible enough to do the things you are doing, don't do them, and children are far from respooncible to deal with any consequence of "drugs, beer, and sex"... thats why they are called CHILDREN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest postbagboy Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 i understand, i hate children too, but that's my age group you are talking about there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 Parties; Beer; Girls; Sex; Drugs; Okay to the guy that started this. I'm 16 and I've only done two of the above. Your 13, you should have done none, though that?s not my choice. Drugs should not be taken until the user is old enough and mature enough to understand to consequences. And in my view old enough to take/smoke them for enjoyment, not to be "cool". Parties are fun, just don't do anything stupid. Beer, listen to your parents. They will have the best advice. Girls. Skip that for now. Sex. (In the way it is implied.) You should not even be thinking about it. Most people don't even have sex for the first time until they are 20. Being ?cool? is nothing. Most people will just think you are an idiot. And it won?t help you in future in high school for many reasons. Eps ? LOL? Man? I can agree with TN on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]I HATE [size=1]most[/size] kids. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=crimson]The feeling is mutual. [Just kidding. I alone can cause TN to snap, just watch. o.-][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Charles [/i] [B]And really, there are many young teenagers that are more mature than adults. I've met many young members here, some Dan's age, who seem to be very intelligent and mature.[/B][/QUOTE] They may "seem" that way, but really aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fate Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [color=teal]Pseudo-intelligence is very common among teenagers, so don't let it fool you. Most of them act like the world is made for them, and it's there for personal manipulation. Teenagers tell you what you want to hear, and completely do the opposite, simply for the act of hypocrisy or rebellion. Quite sad, really.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fate [/i] [B][color=teal]Pseudo-intelligence is very common among teenagers, so don't let it fool you.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Considering that you are a teenager... I see your point.. ;p heh.. just kidding.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i] [B]Beer, listen to your parents. They will have the best advice. Eps ? LOL? Man? I can agree with TN on this one. [/B][/QUOTE] lol, unless ofcourse his parents are alcoholics. wouldn't that be a funny, ironic, yet not surprising, twist to this. At least you can see my point in this. There's no use in making a point half the time if no one can understand it. Everyone has a prejudice that they shouldn't, mine is kids. Ofcourse with all prejudice, it doesn't apply to every single one of them, I'd like to mae that clear. My use of the words "some" and "most" are not incidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [color=darkblue]Well, this thread has surely taken an interesting turn. What a way to guide an adolescent male toward the right direction: insulting, kid-bashing, hotheaded comments. Not to mention the *****-outs. Since rebellion is [i]never[/i] a factor in this type of situation, in which people are attempting to persuade a teenager not to try drugs & sex, I'm sure the goal has been thoroughly accomplished. Yes, I'm sure Cyko came away from this "discussion" with the heartfelt decision to never do that stuff again, with inner thanks toward all of us more experienced folk who so wisely & kindly showed him the way. Great job, people. ::roll eyes:: Next time, perhaps we can refrain from calling him a loser, or saying we want to bash him into walls, hmmm?[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven's Cloud Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [color=indigo]Hey Sushi, Cyko...whatever your name is now...I was only harsh in order to dissuade you from doing any of those stupid things, there is an age to begin doing al of those stupid things, and that age is 17. That being said, it is your life, do what you want with it. Reading all of these back and forth bickering comments has definatly dirven me to want to drink today...[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 Having been caught with Marijuana, (interesting story actually...) i have mized veiws. Personally, for me, I've never [i] needed[/i] it. I say that with the utmost honesty. It was boredom that drove me to trying pot. I was always the occasional smoker, barely, like 6 months between times. it did however, not make life easier, and after getting caught, then i chose to not do it for at least 2 yrs. Alcohol.....well, i'm irish. It's fun, sometimes. Getting drunk is never fun. I have never looked at a drunk, and said" gee, that looks like fun" Having a few drinks, now i see no harm in that. Sex...addicting. hard to stop. Desperation kicks in about 2 months, and then after that, it's usually controllable. I do, however, regret my first time, but dont. It's a mixed feeling story. However, at 13, i do suggest not doing any of this. It wont make your life any easier, and it will end up hurting everyone around you. So please cyko, if you [b] are [/b] to do any of this ( since we can't stop you) please wait until you can cope with the effects it will produce. Good and bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fate [/i] [B][color=teal]Pseudo-intelligence is very common among teenagers[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=crimson]And most everyone.[/color] [quote][i]Original posted by Transtic Nerve[/i] [b]lol, unless ofcourse his parents are alcoholics. wouldn't that be a funny, ironic, yet not surprising, twist to this.[/b][/quote] [color=crimson]Sort of like how funny it is that a SuperModerator can get away with saying that, when a normal member, like say Harry, would most likely end up being mentioned in staff. Just hailarious stuff, really. Makes tears of joy come to my eyes. =)[/color] [quote][i]Originally posted by LM[/i] [b][color=darkblue]Next time, perhaps we can refrain from calling him a loser, or saying we want to bash him into walls, hmmm?[/b][/color][/quote] [color=crimson]I second that.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i] [B][color=crimson][color=crimson]Sort of like how funny it is that a SuperModerator can get away with saying that, when a normal member, like say Harry, would most likely end up being mentioned in staff. Just hailarious stuff, really. Makes tears of joy come to my eyes. =)[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] No, not at all. If Harry got mentioned in staff for saying what I just said, I'd laugh at the person whom it bothered so much. It was funny. I would have laughed at Harry. I would, and have done in the past, said that it was a witty comment. I'm complemented Harry sevral times on some of his comments for the wit he uses and the placement of them. I am just making a point that parents aren't always right. I just made light of it. Parents aren't all powerful people, and they aren't always right, so sometimes it's best not to listen to them if the circumstances are shown. Like for example taking drinking advice from alcoholics, probably something you DON'T want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [color=crimson]Alright. You just werent clear on it, and said it in a more harsh way than you needed to. ;P [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 Maybe I should just make my boring old point instead of trying to lighten them up some because now some of you are just taking them the complete wrong way. Then again, no one seems to read the boring posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [color=crimson]Haha, maybe you should balance the two out. Just, sometimes to someone their parents are a really touchy subject. Diss my parents all you want to, if it pleases you, lol. But I dunno about Dan and his parents. I dunno. I didnt mean any of this in a negetive way, heh. Sorry for straying from the topic.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyGirl Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i] [B][color=hotpink][size=1]Parties, Beer, Girls, Sex, and Drugs and you're only 13? That makes me AFRAID to bring up children in this world. I don't want my kids to be in elementary school smoking weed or trying to have sex. It's a freaking shame. I can't believe you are into these types of things at your age.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=deeppink]At first 13 didn't sound too young to me, but then I realized that my baby brother was 12...and then it made me mad. He was going to be 13 in September; he hardly got to see any of life. Why someone so young would want to ruin their childhood with activities that could be tried much later in life is beyond me. I know that if, when my brother turned 13, [i]he[/i] had been caught doing anything like that, I wouldn't let him out of the house for months. Maybe I'm biased because I really loved my brother and it seemed unfair that someone who loved living so much no longer gets to do so...but I just think kids so young should [b]be[/b] kids who only fantasize about drug and alcohol use. Enjoy life a little more before you start to get into the heavy stuff, you have many years later in which you can still do the illegal things and truely know what you are getting into.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B] The word sex applies to any sexual act regardless of actual intercourse. Thats why it's called oral SEX. Notice I didn't ever say intercourse. And I wasn't getting a blow job at age 13 either. Masturbating is a form of sex. [/B][/QUOTE] Wow! I wish all democrates had been this honest when there was a certain someone being put under pressure for perjury. Oh well, I guess consistancy isnt a big deal. I also want to remind you of another type of person you have specifically stressed your hate for... Those people are the "less intelligent" members of our society. Or just stupid people if I could say it so bluntly.(opinions expressed in thread shortly after I arrived here) But what ever the case, I guess its ok for you to say what ever you want about this kid. I mean, since "no one will understand" your points anyway. I guess thats because all of us are just lossers who have been wasted away by bad parents and bad life styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B][color=darkblue] Next time, perhaps we can refrain from calling him a loser, or saying we want to bash him into walls, hmmm?[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Ah yes, I am brought to the bar. I do apologize, Cyko, for my harsh words, but not my message. Like everyone here has done at some point, I was in one of my moments when I typed from passion without much foresight to think of their potential impact. I retract my 'wall' comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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