In the year 2525

[TheShinje]

[size=1] [color=blue] Do you think man will survive?

I want to discuss the current global climate, Global warming, wars and rumors of wars. Escalating crime. Is it taking it's toll on Earth? And what about a nuclear showdown?

It seems as if us humans cannot keep this planet in order, we have dsomated precious forests, essentially killing off our oxygen supply, permeated the atmosphere with ugly smpog and smoke, the hole in the ozone is getting bigger, and it looks like we're about to fall into armageddon, wether it's the biblical armageddon or not is not what I'm debating here, it is the current world crisis.

So I put forth these questions to you.

Do you think there will be a year 2525? Do you think the Zager and Evans song of the same name is rining true to an extent?

What can we do, as a whole human race, to stem pollution, wars and other evil things. What can be done to stop this slowly increasing slide into self destruction.:devil:

Do you think the Kyoto protocol should be enforced on every nation? do you think it would make a difference?

And is it possible, considering we cloned a sheep not too long ago, to reproduce ozone chemicals and place them in the hole like a giant bandaid?:angel:


think carefully, These questions concern the future of your children and grandchildren. If the polar ice caps melt, then Overpopulation will really be an epidemic.

What do you think? [/size] [/color]:drunk:

[wrist cutter]

If the world listened to more Porno Graffitti, it'd be a better place.

That's my take on the whole subject, anyway.

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I don't really know, and honestly, I'm not really that worried about it. It will be generations and generations after my life. Those kids will be too corrupt to be worrying about their great great great great great great great grandparents. All they'll care about it sex, drugs, partying, beer, and girls, right? That's what's going to cause the end of the world...[/color][/size]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Time will go on no matter what, so there will be a year 2525 if we like it or not. Or, rather- If humanity is there or not.

I think that Humans are so adaptable, if a global disaster occurs there will be some that survive and go on to recreate society. Disasters have scarred our history- The Black Plague is one of the bigger ones that come to mind. That might not have been global in scale, but Europe still bounced back- It just took time to heal.

Like I said, it wasnt Global, but it demonstrated our ability to recouperate after disasters. Kids have always been kids, calling them corrupt now is a hypocricy- They might be worse than in olden times, but back then there were still rebels againt the conformity of authority, but to a lesser degree.

Lets see. 2525. By then, how do you not know we'd have estabilished colonies in space? That is a good deal into the future, and with time comes techonology along with the changes and disasters. By then, who knows where humankind would lay- We might abandon Earth for a new place, its science fiction but it wouldnt be the first time science fiction turned into science nonfiction.

You mentioned wars, wars have been going on since two people had opposite opinons- lol. It wont be stopping anytime soon, either- I bet within 100 years the UN is dissolved, just as the League of Nations was. Its a simple fact that culture, opinons, and ideals always will clash with one another- Thats the basis of the Bible, even, God versuses a Rogue Angel.

Its impossible to tell where we will be by then- or even guess, its too great a mass of time, half a millenia. We could be starward, could be destroyed and recouperating, we could all be living in massive techno metropolises of skyscrapers and highways, there might be no Earth. We can hope for a more positive path, but you never know- Humans are foolish.[/color]

[Juu]

[color=ff00cc] [size=1]2525? Hmm...

The sun might be dimmer. o-o
It's a Red Giant right now, sooo... as it cools, it's going to become a Brown Giant. But then, the pressure in the core is going to get so dense as it cools, that it might cause a supernova if made contact by another Dwarf or Giant.

...^_^;[/color] [/size]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]No, that process is going to take thousands of years, lol.

[edit]if I remember right, that is.[/edit][/color]

[conpiracymonki]

[b][size=1]I swear it was millions...
[color=white]http://www.google.com/search?q=sun+red+giant&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N[/color]
[/b]*runs from Ken*
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[b]EDIT: I think that by 2025, science and technology will have started to have found ways to atleast seriously slow down everything, if not stop or reverse it all. The hole in the o-zone layer and stuff, I mean. But then, I don't know much about these things, so I have no idea how it works. >.>[/b]
[color=white]EDIT: I had a looky through google, and quite a lot of sites say that if the Sun ever becomes a Red Giant, it'd take approximately 5 billion years =)[/color]
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[TheShinje]

[size=1] [color=blue] In about two billion years, The sun is going to be a red Giant, it isn't one yet, ore there is another stage, corrdct me if I'm wrong. But scientists predict that in two billion years, it would have swelled up to swallow earth.

So I hope either DK's right about colonizing space, Or I'm right about God saving us. If neither happens, then our future siblings are screwed, if overpopulation doesn't kill them first o_O;; [/size] [/color]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Well, at least none of us will be around in 2 billion years, haha. Thanks for refreshing my memory, I had forgotten about it- I read an article about it on some website a few months back.[/color]

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by S@bretooth [/i]
[B][size=1] [color=blue]
Do you think the Kyoto protocol should be enforced on every nation? do you think it would make a difference?[/b][/quote]
I think the Kyoto protocol is not the answer at all. It doesn't even guarantee an effect, but it does guarantee a a huge amount of money spent.

[quote][b]And is it possible, considering we cloned a sheep not too long ago, to reproduce ozone chemicals and place them in the hole like a giant bandaid?:angel: [/size] [/color]:drunk: [/B][/QUOTE]
Notice that storms are getting more frequent recently? Storms create Ozone. Humans don't need to help the earth, the earth isn't as weak as the nature freaks want you to believe.

[Change]

We are so TOAST! BTW, you are all invited to my End of the World party...

[TheShinje]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i]
[B]

Notice that storms are getting more frequent recently? Storms create Ozone. Humans don't need to help the earth, the earth isn't as weak as the nature freaks want you to believe. [/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1] [color=blue] hmm, yes I did notice that, along with the increase in earthquakes.

I look for biblical fulfilment like that.

As for the Kyoto protoclo, IMO I think they could have come up with something so completely different, and easier to implement....

If you made hydrogen cars then their would be no more need for oil and then, you take the power right out of saddams hands, this is a decision that would obviously better the world in more ways than one. [/size] [/color]

[Deedlit]

[color=009966]I think that we will be extinct loooong before then if the world's current conditions keep multiplying and getting worse.[/color]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Why the hell is everyone so morbid? lol.

Things never stay the same, look in the past 100 years at all the devolpments that have occured. Nations fall from power constantly, things [b]always[/b] change. Maybe, like in the past 500 years, we'll continue to devolp as a species instead of some Armageddon-esque Biblical disaster.[/color]

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by S@bretooth [/i]
[B][size=1] [color=blue] hmm, yes I did notice that, along with the increase in earthquakes.[/size] [/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
Has there been one in the past 6 months?

[Chaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i]
[B]Has there been one in the past 6 months? [/B][/QUOTE]


There have been many, specifically, in the middle of the Eurasia landmass.

As for the topic at hand, I think Ken takes this. "Why the hell is everyone being so morbid?" Seriously, all of the nukes going off at once could not destroy all life on this planet. Whoever says a nuke could go off and destroy the world, well. You're a plain idiot. Even at the core of the earth [which, by the way, would never happen because of the gravitational intensity], all a nuke could do was make the active volcanos erupt. And, hello? Ever heard of sea animals?

Hole in the oozone. Hmm. Once again, idiotic display of tree-huggers. UV rays are good for the skin. Light is heat energy and heat is a must-have for half of the things on this planet.

For smoke and smog in the air, Hell. Since the age of the dinosaurs, scientists predict that the oxygen consistancy throughout the world has dropped thirty-three percent. Yet we're fine with it. We live with the so-called 'deadly' chemicals. Granted, some forms of gas are lethal, but please people.

Wars. Hah, don't make me laugh. Refer to the nuke statement.

If the icecaps melt...well. There are nifty inventions called 'boathouses' and 'higher grounds'. Plus, for all of the icecaps to melt you'd have to have the artic regions at, I believe, something about 70 degrees. Because, remember, even if it's warmer in the air, such a high amount of ice will freeze water over like all Hell. So while you've seen those pictures of a block of ice falling off of Antartica, remember that water underneath the surface is freezing to the underlayers.

And lastly, overpopulation. Did you know that humans roughtly take up [or so the best I can remember from Nat'l. Geographic] 15% to 30% of availible land, excluding Antartica. People can move elsewhere and adapt to the surroundings. Which is why irrigation and domestication are so neato.

[Semjaza]

Even if the whole world was nuked... There'd still be cockroaches. They'd become some super race and enslave the rest of the horribly mutated zombie/human population that survived. This is obviously the most likely outcome.

Otherwise, I'll be dead. What the hell do I care?

Edit - In response to Juu: Cockroaches aren't affected by radiation and such... so yes.

[Change]

What does it really matter, if we live or die? And if some super-zombies are left, god for them, they can die later.

BTW Semjaza Azazel- I like the Jim Morrison Avatar

[Juu]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]Even if the whole world was nuked... There'd still be cockroaches. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=ff00cc] [size=1]...Cockroaches? oO;

I agree with Kenna. I'm sure many, many things will change by then. I like to think about what we'll be driving later on, too. ^^; Prolly not as far as 'anti-gravity' cars, or anything, but... somewhat more advanced. ^_^;[/color] [/size]

[amibasuki]

[FONT=arial]heh, I was going to quote DeathKnight on the morbid thing, but Medra beat me to it. the way everybody's going on about it, you'd think they'd be disappointed if the world [i]didn't[/i] in fact, blow up/melt/flood over/etc. sorry lol, but the world is still gonna be here 500 hundred years from now. I'm lookin' at it from a religious prospective, but even without that, if the world did change, what do you think adaptation is for?[/FONt]

[James]

[color=#808080]This is an interesting thread. ^_^

It's really hard to say what might happen in 500 years or so. The only thing you can do, I think, is look at current trends in society and amplify them.

So, for instance...

I think cloning will be commonplace in 500 years -- people will use it to have children, it'll be used to stop animals going extinct and it'll be used to clone replacement organs for transplants (thus, nobody will ever wait for a transplant.

There won't be any pollution in 500 years, either. Even within this century, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles will become common place. When you and I are 80 years old, everyone will have fuel cell cars -- nobody will be using internal combustion engines anymore. Industry will also find ways of manufacturing with less pollution. And, products like cars and computers will become bio-degradable in 500 years.

Did you know that Nissan is developing a type of paint for their cars, which is a synthetic version of the colored dust found on butterfly's wings? It can be sprayed onto the car and it's 100% bio-degradable; no pollution or toxins.

In 500 years, I think there will be a lot less war. Most of the world will be made up of democracies. There will be far fewer third world nations, also.

In 500 years, space travel will have advanced exponentially. I'm sure that by then, we'll be travelling far beyond our own solar system. I'm also positive that things like anti-gravity may be engineered by that time; I was watching a documentary about inventions that are being developed at the moment...and apparently anti-gravity technology is possible. There are quite a few interesting things that are being worked on, that we currently aren't really aware of.

In 500 years, there probably won't be any prejudice/racism/homophobia. That's just a natural progression of society; each generation is inherently less prejudiced. I also don't think that religion will have a large place in society in 500 years. I think that's also a kind of inevitable trend.

But yeah, it's really hard to say what will happen. Just look at what's happened in the last 100 years. Man learned to fly and travel to the moon -- in 1900, most of that stuff was total science fiction. So who knows what we'll achieve in only another 100 years.

I don't know if any of the above things are negative or positive, but those are the broader things that I think will probably happen. Of course, you never know what will happen...things might be totally different to what anyone assumes.

EDIT: Oh, and on the ozone thing. Scientists have discovered that the hole in the ozone layer is actually shrinking. Cars have become far more efficient in the last three/four decades and as a result, pollution produced by them has decreased. So it's not all doom and gloom; pollution is actually being reduced all the time. And with the introduction of hydrogen cars over the next 20 years, it will drop even further.

As for the nuke thing...I think the whole idea there is pretty ridiculous. Yes, if we set of dozens of nuclear blasts everywhere, we'd probably have a so-called nuclear winter. But it's not very realistic to suggest that this would happen anyway -- the world is always moving in a more peaceful and democratic direction. I don't think we'll ever be in a situation where we have two massive world wars within one century. The idea that we're always descending into darkness is popular among some -- but I don't think it's very accurate at all.[/color]

[Semjaza]

Honestly, all this makes me think about are those hilarious shows and such from the 50s and 60s... The ones where they'd guess what the future would be 30 for 40 years in the future, but still somehow were way off. People like jumping to nearly impossible and otherwise unlikely conclusions. I'm still waiting for my flying cars and a summer house on the moon.

No one knows this stuff obviously... But the world has been around for god only knows exactly how long, and I doubt this will change. Nature (or whatever you want to call it) kills off things that aren't good for it eventually. If we continue on a path of screwing up the earth, well everyone will die and life will begin anew. It all runs in a cycle more or less.

Otherwise I don't think many things will change... humanity wise. People have been more or less the same since their creation, despite the technological advances. I can't see war or hatred ever just getting near the point of disappearing. There will always be fears, it's what fuels all that stuff.

Still... this is not something that worriesme. I'm not even that concerned over where I'll be in 30 years, yet alone what things will be like 500 something years from now.

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]I'm envisioning [i]Star Trek[/i] for some reason...

Humanity is pretty adaptable. Usually some disaster must happen to wipe out an entire species (such as a comet hitting the earth) but nukes don't qualify, in my opinion. People will always survive something like that. There will be enough to ensure survival.

But I don't see either an idealistic society or a completely corrupt one. For every advancement we make as a species, there's usually some degradation, and vice versa. We'll have more societal advancements like the ones James mentioned, & we'll have better weapons to kill with, or what have you.

Or maybe we'll all ascend to a higher plane of existance, lol.[/color]

[Red]

[b][color=515050][size=1]Well, by 2525 I think cloning will have been fully implemented, allowing for quick cures to things such as liver/kidney failure and so forth.

In my opinion, unless we find a way other than lightspeed to travel through space, we're still not going to be going anywhere distant in the galaxy. The complications of using lightspeed space travel are big, and even at lightspeed it would take hundreds of years to reach supposedly inhabitable planets. Anti-Gravity travel seems very possible to me, as does incredibly fast forms of flight across Earth.

I doubt we'll all get wiped out by nukes. If we do, what are we gonna do about it? ;)[/b][/color][/size]

[Jesus Chicken]

Personally, if I make it to 2080 (damn that sounds cool) I'll be happy. I think we will all be lucky to make it that far infact.
But I'm sure that 50 years ago, people our age were probably saying that we won't make it to 2000. HAH! I think by about 5000 we will all look completely different so as not to notice we actually came from what we are now, or we will have blown this place up twice over, but still be living here.