In the year 2525

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Medra [/i]
[B]Hole in the oozone. Hmm. Once again, idiotic display of tree-huggers. UV rays are good for the skin. Light is heat energy and heat is a must-have for half of the things on this planet.[/B][/QUOTE]

UV rays are good for the skin- [b]in moderation[/b]. The ozone layer is what provides the moderation so it's not bad for the skin.

and I think you'll find that infra-red light is the kind that provides heat, generally, whereas UV light is the kind that causes sunburn (which is [b]bad[/b] for the skin, as it can lead to skin cancer), which is why you don't get sunburned when there's a sheet of glass between you and the light (for some reason glass reflects UV light, but lets IR light through), and also why you can get sunburned on a cold day if there's a lot of UV light around.

So yeah.. it's not just idiotic display of tree huggers..



w.r.t. the original post, my viewpoint is that the world'll still be around in some form.. but we can't really try to predict what it would be.

Ever seen the show "Space 1999"?.. heh..

[Tommy Vercetti]

Hmmm i really would like to find out whether man would be around still in the year 2525.. I think everyone would be very strange and i have some strange feeling that it would turn out like what happened in Reign of Fire if anyone has seen that. I think that most of man kind will have been wiped out and only a small population is left to defend itself against whatever creatures are out there lol. There were some rumours that the sun is moving closer to earth and in several thousand years or so it will all explode so i don't really know.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]I think that in the year 2525 I will rule all in my rencarnated half man half ant form...mwuhahah!!

Just kidding...to be honest, I really don't care whether or not the earth is here, I will be long dead and gone by then....[/color]

[Mitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo]
Just kidding...to be honest, I really don't care whether or not the earth is here or not, I will be long dead and gone by then....[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red][i]That[/i] is why the Earth is where it is now. People like you, Heavy. Oh well, I for one care.

I don't know where in the world we'll be in a few hundred years. I'm not going to sit here and guess--anything is a complete possibility. Heck, we might even have developed warping techonology. We might have found a way to traverse in to worm holes. We might find out how to get into alternate divisions of space and time. That's as far as I know.

Beam me up, Scotty.[/color]

[Rhys Mayiessen]

[color=skyblue]I dunno if the earth would still be around. With all the polution depleting the ozone layer I wouldn't think that humans would still be alive. Maybe everybody would have moved to mars^^ Anyways I don't think it really matters since I won't be alive...unless they invent something that can keep me alive that long...hmmm...[/color]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][color=red][i]That[/i] is why the Earth is where it is now. People like you, Heavy. Oh well, I for one care.
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[color=indigo]Yes people like me have made this world a horrible place to live in right now. It is so horrible to have creature comforts like Gellatto and Starbucks coffee. It stinks that we now have the ability to fly to different countries in a matter of hours. Our little creature comforts sure do make this world a horrifying place.

I am sick and tired of people complaining about the energy we consume and the enviornment we are destroying. Let us all take a moment and admit to ourselves that we are all a bunch of hypocites...if you are so horribly concerned about the enviornment quit messing around on the computer, watching anime, and playing video games; go plant some trees. I, on the the other hand, have more then enough faith in man's ability to overcome nearly any adversity, including our enviornmental problems. I think it is much more prudent to worry about my progeny and the world that I am creating for them then pondering the habitat my great great ect. grandchildren will inherit.

So please don't use me as the basis for your "its people like you" posts. Go plant some trees and let me drink my Starbucks coffee and watch my favorite anime shows in peace...I've had a hard day at work and I know I've earned my creature comforts.[/color]

[Mitch]

[color=red] I did not mean to initiate irratational splay. Of course I try to do something about it. There are things you can do. In the end, it doesn't matter really though.

Just realize that all Mankind has done since his appearance on the Earth is nothing grand. We aren't wonderful ourselves. We're ruining this planet, but none care. I just wanted you to at least [i]realize[/i] that the Earth is dying because of us. Just fathom that yes, you care about it in the distance, even though you can do nothing about it.

Mankind as whole isn't as great as you are saying. Our achievments are meddled and muddled in distinctions you or I cannot disclaim. I was not using you as an emblem for what I believe, I was merely portraying a fact. I may be a hypocrite, but that doesn't mean I can't care.[/color]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][color=red]
Just realize that all Mankind has done since his appearance on the Earth is nothing grand. We aren't wonderful ourselves. We're ruining this planet, but none care. I just wanted you to at least [i]realize[/i] that the Earth is dying because of us. Just fathom that yes, you care about it in the distance, even though you can do nothing about it.
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[color=indigo]Again, I have to disagree with you. I think man has done many grand things. We have built buildings that strech to the heavens, we have created incredible works of art and composed beautiful music. Human kind has created machines that can almost think and revolutionized technology by mimicking mother nature. Personally I think that human kind has had some pretty grand achievments; I also don't think the world is nearly as frail as you think. I don't think that the earth is dying either...we may be killing the ecosystem as we know it, there by canceling out our existence, but life is not that frail.

Oh well, that is my last rant on this issue...I don't want to go too far off topic...[/color]

[Orien_Xel]

[COLOR=BLUE]I have a postion somewhere in between yours and Mitch's. Man has created many beautiful and wonderful thingss, but we are also killing the world with nuclear waste, toxins, etc.[/color]

[DeathKnight]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][color=red]
Just realize that all Mankind has done since his appearance on the Earth is nothing grand. We aren't wonderful ourselves. We're ruining this planet, but none care. I just wanted you to at least [i]realize[/i] that the Earth is dying because of us. Just fathom that yes, you care about it in the distance, even though you can do nothing about it.
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[color=crimson]Animals havent achieved jackshit compared to man. Man has. Thats the simple factor, even if we are ruining this planet. We are the greatest living species on this planet, the ruleing species. And untill I see a God, or Angels, or Aleins- We're the greatest in the known universe as well, in my opinon.[/color]

[TheShinje]

[size=1] [color=blue] And until I see a monkey build a hydrogen fueled vehicle, I won't believe in evolution ;) but hay, thats my opinion.

There are endless possibilities when you take into consideration 500 years, in that time, Religion and faith may die out, but then they might have a spiritual revivla, who knows? I'm sure, given 500 years, we'll be unstioppable by any virus, able to cure mental illness, even clone regularly. As has been said before, the last 100 years has seen an exponential increase that doubles every 2 years (knowledge).

We might even be galaxy hoppers, heck, we could probably breathe in space with our enhanced lungs which use solar energy! the possibilities are endless [/size] [/color]

[REVENGE2]

Do you think man will survive?
-**** no. But that's not a bad thing.

I want to discuss the current global climate, Global warming, wars and rumors of wars. Escalating crime. Is it taking it's toll on Earth? And what about a nuclear showdown?
-...I hate humanity...

It seems as if us humans cannot keep this planet in order, we have dsomated precious forests, essentially killing off our oxygen supply, permeated the atmosphere with ugly smpog and smoke, the hole in the ozone is getting bigger, and it looks like we're about to fall into armageddon, wether it's the biblical armageddon or not is not what I'm debating here, it is the current world crisis.
-It's almost a if we humans were made to destroy.

So I put forth these questions to you.
-Let's take a look-sees.

Do you think there will be a year 2525? Do you think the Zager and Evans song of the same name is rining true to an extent?
-Er...I never heard the song,

What can we do, as a whole human race, to stem pollution, wars and other evil things. What can be done to stop this slowly increasing slide into self destruction.
-Get Gorge W Bush out of office...that will certainly help...

Do you think the Kyoto protocol should be enforced on every nation? do you think it would make a difference?
-What is the Kyoto protocol? Is it pro-Earth, anti-war? If so then I support it.

And is it possible, considering we cloned a sheep not too long ago, to reproduce ozone chemicals and place them in the hole like a giant bandaid?
-Ha! A funny thought. And porbably not. The ozone layer, at least for the forseeable future, can only be repair through natural process.

think carefully, These questions concern the future of your children and grandchildren. If the polar ice caps melt, then Overpopulation will really be an epidemic.
-If the ice caps melt, then overpopulation will no longer be a problem, because a heck of a lot of the world's population will have died.

What do you think?
-I think Bush is an idiot, I think he should be removed from office, I think we humans are a destructive force, I think that humanity is doomed if it stays on it's current path, I think that war is bad, I hope a metorite of epic proportions hits the Earth.

[Mitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Again, I have to disagree with you. I think man has done many grand things.
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[color=red] I agree. Man has done many great things. But good things are oft to be interred with bad. Nothing is as beautiful as mother nature. And we can only be as beautiful as we can. Yes, Ken, I also agree. We are the greatest species on the Earth. But we're not as great as we seem to think, trust me. I'm not talking an indivdual stance here--I'm saying humanity as a [i]whole[/i]. Don't intermix the two.

I rest this.[/color]

[Fall]

All of humanity will use the Earth 'til it crumbles to ****, starving everyone and everything, killing off everyone and everything..

My view. Lets hope it doesn't become reality.. yeah right.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by S@bretooth [/i]
[B][size=1] [color=blue] And until I see a monkey build a hydrogen fueled vehicle, I won't believe in evolution ;) but hay, thats my opinion.

[/size] [/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#808080]Oh [i]please[/i]. If you're not going to make an informed comment, then it's really not worth wasting our time.

As for the whole question of pollution and such...everyone really has a point. Yes, man has done some horrible things to the planet. And man has also done many great things.

Ultimately, mankind is the master of his own destiny. Where we go in the future will be determined by our generation and successive generations.

When you look at current trends (like fuel cell vehicles, recyclable materials being more frequently used, greater environmental awareness and stricter sustainable development standards), it's pretty obvious that things are headed in the right direction; albeit more slowly than some of us would like.

I think we can have industry/economy and such while also protecting our environment. When I talk about things like the ozone hole shrinking...that's really an example of how some developments have been so positive to the Earth. The more our technology improves, the more we'll be able to leave far less harmful impact on the planet. It seems to me that this is just the logical conclusion that you make when you actually consider advancements over the last 50 years or whatever period you choose to consider.[/color]

[Guest cloricus]

Um I'd like to say that we are not in fact "killing the earth" for two reasons.
1) It was never alive in the first place and any long term damage that we are capable of at the moment is only "skin deep", eg a nuke will only damage the surface, nothing will be able to live there for a few thousand years.
2) The "life" cycle (metaphorically) of the earth is still well on track, we have advanced it by a few hundred years but nothing it cannot coup with. Though I'm not saying the current way will not lead to a venues problem.

Read the theories on teraforming(sp?) Mars, they will explain so much more than most of you have ever known about earth. And don't "oh, sounds like so star trek crap", these theories have been out since before I was born, and were possible back when they were written.

Next, Star Trek future.
I don't know about faster than light travel, it's possible, but it's impossible to chose which one of the theories to circumvent it are true. But I don't think we'll be seeing anything like the Enterprise for awhile yet. We will more likely see massive star ships like the ones seen in Star Ship Troops, they are more practical. And we have the bonus of having the Ion Drive...

As for the evolution, you cannot prove it past a few million years ago so don't go around like it is definitive, because for all you know creationism could be the right theory, or one of the thousands of other theories that are in the race to try and beat evolution theory. Though I my self believe that evolution is the best theory available at the moment I keep an open mind. To address James rebuttal to this statement I refer you to the scientists that backed the "pie" design for the structure of an atom, and thought that there was no way it could be wrong. Now it was replaced with a better theory. (Though we still don't know if the one atm is correct.)

The hole in the Ozone layer, it is two early to tell for sure if it is "healing". But preliminary tests and scans seem to be looking good. :)

Does it matter if man has done "bad" or "good" things?
The creation of the atom bomb and then its use represent a good and a bad achievement. Both of which are amazing, that, one we could be smart enough to understand our environment to do that and, two, then have the technology to build and then drop the thing.
I will be the first person to stand up and say that some animals are close or as smart or in some cases smarter than us, but I do say this.
Have they built massive cities, have they created the things we have, do they have the control over their environments as we do?
No. This is were our species out right claims to be the most advanced.
Have a look at the thing your typing in to, it was mad by "good" and "bad" things. But you accept it because it makes your life easier.

And last in this post, I personally would not give up my way of life. I was lucky to be born in to a first world country with middle class parents. Most things I need provided and I take full advantage of it. I'm not going to give that up because a tree hugger is telling me that tech is killing the planet.
No I wont, I will look to tech to fix the problem.
Why take a backwards step when you can take a forwards one?

And now on to the threads question.

In the year 2525 we will look very different, even if it?s only evolution that is controlling our change and not any other factors. We will have less hair, bigger brains, less appendages and many other differences. They are all available to see, I?m sure google will have some sites. Though these are only predictions.
I think these are the only real ones that we can think about and have chance of getting right... What we will look like.


I don?t know what the future will hold; I just hope it?s a damn good one.

Eps ? Hmm, long post?

[zemekis_]

The Earth, itself isn't one thing. It's all kinds of seperate systems. The Earth will survive almost everything.. meator (or a meatier meator), another Dana Carvey movie, ozone, etc. It's just a matter of how long you can hold your breath outside and apply 30 layers of sunscreen to get the mail.

I'm not scared. Bring it on. Some kind of cool post-apocolapse environment. Party in my ruined abandoned office building! I'll be Tupac in the california love video, rapping until the world finishes falling apart.

Has anyone ever read "Alas Babalyon"?? Fans can PM me. That's what I think about when i think about the world ending. Definately suggested reading.

[Guest Watinabe]

I hope everything turns into cowboy bebop,^_^ it would just take a while for mankind to hold out and not nuck every bit of technology that would benifit us in the future, with some type of space drive capibility for ships. Think about it from what you all have said it's not a matter of the sun it's a matter of what humans decide to do with there destructive capibilities or benifits from there research. We just have to hold out until the best type of future a type of Cowboy Bebop, or Outlaw Star future is obtained and we can take to space and revamping a planets atmosphere's and building stations for ourselfes. Which would be great but it's a dream and as far as this thread goes it just bugs me to think about so far in the future becuase unfortanatly I find my self torn as I always am between hope and despaire for our pathetic race that cant seem to even come close to grasping the concept of world peace becuase we refuse to give up our well... lets think our selfish humanity damn we're screwed.^_^

[vegeta rocker]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by S@bretooth [/i]
[B][size=1] [color=blue]
It seems as if us humans cannot keep this planet in order, we have dsomated precious forests, essentially killing off our oxygen supply, permeated the atmosphere with ugly smpog and smoke, the hole in the ozone is getting bigger, and it looks like we're about to fall into armageddon, wether it's the biblical armageddon or not is not what I'm debating here, it is the current world crisis.
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the world has been around for a few billion years im sure she can handle it.
not to say we won't &*^% it up for ourselves
will we be around in that time? maybe though i doubt it

if we jack up our atmosphere we die but a new species evolves
mankind will be his own end

its like cleaning out the house for the new furniture

[Guest Crimson Spider]

First of All, Jesus is going to come and get us long before then. And even if he didn't, We wouldn't survive.

Mans own corruption and greed has cause suffering for no reason. We, as a very viciouse creature, would kill ourselves off. Man is like a disease. Any normal animal that finds a new place will adapt to survive, and most of the enviroment will remain unharmed. Harmful Bacteria and viruses find a new area, destroy it, then move on, just like we do. As technology increases, mans aggression has risen just as much. Killing doesn't have as much of an impact as it did even 20 years ago! If you read the book Farinheight 451. It describes the horrors of man that may meet us possibly in the next 50 years or so. So man kind is screwed.

[Yoshi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B][color=hotpink][size=1]Those kids will be too corrupt to be worrying about their great great great great great great great grandparents. All they'll care about it sex, drugs, partying, beer, and girls, right? That's what's going to cause the end of the world...[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

Hahaha, but we've been like that for centuries!!!

"In the year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive..."

Global warming? as you can see we don't care enough about it yet.
Nuclear armageddon? As long as the people who love life control the nukes we should be ok. But if fanatics or psychos got hold of 'em... ...well welcome to the Apocalypse. Crime itself is a problem that points out a bigger hole in the thread of society. Crime seems to be a child of some weird combination of personal greed (enhanced by a lack of values) and flaws in society. An increase in crime indicates an aggravation of these flaws and a degredation of moral values that coincides with the idea that we are getting too complacent to value how we obtain what we have and that we have grown too weak to obtain it honestly. Thats kinda why war/violence is viewed as a crime, because it indicates that a nation (large group of peoples more or less)or people have becomes so weak and vulnerable that they cannot obtain what they desire through anyother means but force.

I think here there tends to be lots of grey. You talk to anyone who does this sort of thing and they will be able to justify it (at least to themselves) so that to them it is right and good. What you gotta do end the sort of terror and destruction is either give them a way out (not likely) or show them that what they do is evil and unjustifiable (also not likely). If there was an easy way outta this rigmarole we woulda found it.

I'm not sure any government regulation could solve the environmental problem. To fix the problem the solution must be made profitable (more profitable than oil sales and immediately profitable enough to offset the huge initial costs required to develop and implement alternative energies most effeciently and continuously profitable enough that it ensures economic stability and success in the longrun).

as to overpopulation as an epidemic in a word... no.
Let me explain. Historically, overpopulation tends to be equalized eventually by the lack of the carrying capacity the immediate environment required to maintain a population of a certain size. So even if we got to a point it would slowly (and painfully) correct itself through epedimics of new superbacteria and such (from overuse and misuse of antibiotics (antibiotic handsoap was a stupid idea anyways) causing a massive buildup of resistence and immunity in all surviving bacteria. And new strains released by the destruction of rainforests (like Ebola). It is to be noted that though such epedimics tend to severely decimate a population, they NEVER complete eradicate a species. There are so many genetic variations between each member of the species that a significant (though probably very small) percentage of the species can and will survive. And starvation? We'd starve till enough died off that there was again enough food (ie people would slow the production of babies for a while for lack of energy and overabundance of hungry mouths) However all that is contingent on the idea that we'd ever reach such a situation in the first place. Evidence points to the idea that when we become advanced as nations and countries we tend to decrease procreation (take a look at the US. Much much lower birthrate among upper and middle class peoples and over all much lower birthrate than in third world countries) because we have more access to time saving devices (lessened need for little servants), more access to contrceptives and abortion procedures (no more accidents in good fun), and, most importantly, a greater assurance that our kids will survive (less procreation because greater assurance of offspring survival (no reason to have 10 kids in case 9 die off because off squalid living conditions).

Chances are we could patch Mr. Ozone. We seem to have the tech. However, it doesn't appear profitable as yet for businesses to get involved, and not being close enough to effect (affect) the next election not of enough concern for governments to REALLY get involved. (though cloning is a completely different concept than patching a hole in the ozone).

Laissezz fare (sp) anyone?

wait till people care more
if a small group of people care
enough they might move the rest of the world to care. but then we'd just be sponging of the efforts of others. Freeloading on the smarts and dedication of others. Mooching on their hardwork and living unearned lives (as if the world doesn't do that now? hah) . That seems to be the real problem.

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i]
[B]First of All, Jesus is going to come and get us long before then. And even if he didn't, We wouldn't survive.[/B][/QUOTE]

Sometimes you need a good kick in the spiritual balls to give you some perspective on life.. I find that believing that the second coming could happen at any time without warning- and I mean honestly believing that- kind of makes me not want to waste time on trivial things which don't really matter..

I think my point is "I agree.. and it's kind of a scary thought"

[James]

[color=#808080]I think the overpopulation thing is one of the biggest misnomas. In Australia and Japan for example, a massive percentage of the population will be over 60 within the next 20 years.

If you put aside the financial problems that come with that...you also have to remember that we'll enter a point where we'll have a dramatically smaller population. Families aren't having as many children these days (some are having none at all) and as a result, we will actually end up with a far smaller population at some point over the next 50-100 years.[/color]

[i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider:[/i]
[quote][b]It describes the horrors of man that may meet us possibly in the next 50 years or so. So man kind is screwed.
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[color=#808080]I am so, [b]so[/b] sick of this ridiculous "Earth is going to hell in a handbasket" attitude. It's the most annoying, baseless train of thought that I've seen.

I find it amazing that people can sit back and tell me how horrible the world is and how horrible it's becoming. I disagree with that point of view, because I think that the fundamental development of mankind over the last century has proven otherwise.

When it comes to pollution for instance, you'll find that most of our technologies are far cleaner than they were even ten years ago. Once again, I'll point to studies that indicate that the hole in the ozone layer is repairing itself -- thanks in no small part to changes in man's technology.

Let's face it, we're a technologically driven species. That is what makes us different from most other creatures on the planet (at least if you exclude primates that use basic tools and such). And yes, I do think that our technology has been primarily responsible for hurting the environment over many decades.

However, there are a few things to take note of. The first is the whole population explosion misnoma; populations will most likely shrink by a large extent over the next 100 years. And that isn't through harm to the environment; it's largely through our own lifestyle choices. In addition, our technology is improving on a consistent basis. Even traditional internal combustion engines of cars have increased their fuel efficiency (and cleanliness of emissions) dramatically over the last decade. And this situation is improving, as new standards are introduced every few years (with all new cars being required to meet such standards).

Cars are important to note because they produce something like two thirds of our greenhouse gases. So improvements in automotive technology are really helping -- and will continue to do so.

I would also suggest that, contrary to what the religious right would have you believe, society isn't in a state of moral decline. It seems to me that as society becomes more enlightened about various issues (disease, drugs, sex, etc), there is also a sense that moral values are being eroded. And yet, if you look back in history...the "good old days", when such awareness was not present, I think you'll find that there were some very unique problems. The idea that we lived in a perfect world during the 50s/60s is laughable to me. Sure, we didn't get a lot of "in your face" sex/violence and such. On the other hand, issues of tolerance and dealing with ills like drugs and rape were essentially non-existant.

I mean, really...I could probably sit here and write out some kind of massive thesis on this. But I don't have the time for it.

Basically though, I think some within human society are struggling to wind the clock backwards, in an attempt to set things right. But in doing so, I feel that we are impeding what we can become -- and certainly, in doing so, we are damaging what we already have.

Technology -- the core of our day to day existence -- is always improving. We are always developing new materials that are biodegradable, cheap and accessible to everyone (regardless of socioeconomic status). The same can be said not just about technology like cars/transport, but also about food and medicine. I mean, our own genetic research is allowing us to understand our own biology a whole lot more -- and that leads to the ability to genetically modify food and other organic elements to further our own development and to sustain health around the world.

It is my hope that [i]most[/i] people have a positive outlook. And I think it's clear that most of the developments over human history have been positive. Compare where we are now to the dark ages and think ahead another 500 years. I don't see the future as a bleak world of corruption and darkness. I see the future as a world of social equity for all, evidence based politics (as opposed to ideologically based politics), awareness of social issues and the abillity to honestly deal with them (sex, disease, drugs) and an increased integration with our own environment (making technology that not only doesn't harm the environment, but that also encourages environmental development).[/color]

[DeathKnight]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i]
[B]First of All, Jesus is going to come and get us long before then. And even if he didn't, We wouldn't survive.
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[color=crimson]He's dead. He didnt come back. He was killed as a criminal, just as he should ha-.. Nothing. Never mind. I dont want to start some hatefilled debate. If you want to discuss religion, IM me on AIM or PM me.

But dont drag religion into this thread. It will just end up as a clashing of heads between the scientific, christian, agnostic and athiest veiws that exist on these boards. I dont want to see this thread closed because someone drug in the bible..[/color]

[Guest butterfly]

all i can say is that the sun will still be here in the year 2525 and will be for another five billion year. scientists believe that it will age over the years and swell to engulf venus and mare and eventually earth. then after five billion years its core will collapse and become a white dwarf. so i don't think we need to be worring about the sun.
what we might need to be concerned about is establishing some sort of world order. if the current leader can not find a way to have world peace, then we will just kill ourselves. that is what i believe will be the end of mankind. but then agian, life is a fight of the fitest and we have won many battles over nature, but can we win a won on one with man kind? that will be an amazing thing to watch.