Lady Macaiodh Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by {SITH} Change [/i] [B]They wern't anoying...That's the sad part. They were very helpful. The bard always gave them bonuses. My scoundrel shot stuff from miles away and was a team player. Yuske (level 6) grappled the level 13 Sith Lord boss. Then he went unconscious and he was "collateral" dammage. My characters are always collateral arround power players. [/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=darkblue]*points to her sig* I will never, never understand you people.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 o_O That's ok. Maybe you are collateral damage in all our DnD babble (lol). On the plus side I will be doing Cowboy Bebop in d20 Modern, unless they deem it devil worship and burn my rulebooks...at least we arn't talking about White Wolfe games. Those really set the Christians off. Playing as Vampires, Deamos, Hunters, Mages, Mummies, and Werewolves. And being downright perverse. Those are good games, but I have a feeling thsoe would be even more frowned upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinnyLyn Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Medra [/i] [B]When Christian mothers [directed to the ones that started all of this ******** about D&D] make a child read a bible all day long, and that child ends up quoting scriptures as he's in a bell tower with a 30-30, who's fault is it? The parents. But if the child happened to play a five minute session of a violent game, suddenly socity lashes out at the likes of Rockstar and Running With Scissors. THAT'S why I'm so aggressive when it comes to topics like that. And Ginny, no. As far as I know, there are no mentally/physically challenged NPCs in the GTA games. [/B][/QUOTE] Thanks for clearing up the GTA3 thing, but careful on that religious bit. You make it sound as if it's only the Christians who do that. :therock: We kinda need to back off of the supposed stereotypes, please; I sense another religious bashing flame thingy floating on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Let me get the Lance of Longinus first...(for those of you how don't know the LoL is a divine weapon that was thought up arround 633 a.d. The story goes that St. Longinus drove his lance into Jesus while he was on the cross bathing it in his blood. It is the only weapon that can kill god or the devil o_O. It is rumored to be inbeaded in on of the pillars of the Vattican...So much for useless trivia though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 People who blame music, TV, moveis, and video games for the ciorruption of children are just using those as scapegoats for their own doing which is the real thing corrupting their children. If movies and TV and music corrupted people, then why is it the people in countries without censorship and the weirdest things on their public entertainment always end up smarter, more relaxed, and ultimately better off than those who do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [color=#808080]I must say, I don't think anyone is really bashing religion itself. Rather, what we're saying is that people are using religion to justify their scapegoating of a game or whatever. Does that make sense? That's what I was trying to express in my earlier post, so I hope that clarifies it a little better. :)[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asphyxia Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]People who blame music, TV, moveis, and video games for the ciorruption of children are just using those as scapegoats for their own doing which is the real thing corrupting their children. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=darkred]Heh. I agree. [i]"Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music. "[/i] -Roman Diaz I think that trying to use things as scapegoats is just stupid, and that people who restrict fantasy things as a sin or because of religious beliefs [my friend's mother wouldn't let them read "Harry Potter", because it was of Witches and Wizards] don't really understand that Fantasies can't harm people until it's acted on. BUt that's just my opinion.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShinje Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [size=1][color=darkblue] I can't stand the narrow mindedness from these scapegoating religious fanatics quite frankly. If they're going to burn the stuff, hell, that' even worse! Whatever happened to "Judge not and you will not be judged?" I would suggest scapegoaters and hyporites re read their bibles, and stop giving passive christians (the "you have your belief and I have mine") a bad name ya know? [/size] [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Chicken Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 WOW! Talk about people with nothing better to do. This just really makes me despise religious people even more then I did previously. That's like saying the existant, and sale of meat corrupts vegetarians. Jesus feckin Christ, get the hell over it. If you have a problem with things like that. Go complain about the eucharist promoting cannibalism, by telling people to eat christ's body! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by S@bretooth [/i] [B][size=1][color=darkblue]passive christians[/size] [/color] [/B][/QUOTE] I wouldn't necessarily call them that.. ideally Christians should be very much active.. just not in a way to infringe on other people's way of things. I think "acceptive Christians" is probably a better term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GinnyLyn [/i] [B]...but careful on that religious bit. You make it sound as if it's only the Christians who do that. :therock: [/B][/QUOTE] Heh. Guess what? I AM Christian. :p It's just that I don't openly practice the faith. Oh well. Ah, TN pretty much said it without the controvercy. Damn, sometimes I wish I had THAT ability. o.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE2 Posted March 25, 2003 Author Share Posted March 25, 2003 Keep this in mind: The way the game runs is up to the Dungeon Master. Or Game Master. Or Storyteller. Or whatever the person is being called. I know that it's perfectly possible to play a Vampire: The Masquerade chronicle where the point is redemption. I mean, vampires aren't inherently evil. It's not thier fault that someone thought that they were right for the Embrace. White Wolf left the option open for Golconda, which is a state of Vampirism where they don't have to worry about accidently killing someone, only have to feed once a week instead of once a night (and don't need nearly as much blood even then), and are no longer unholy, but rather hallowed. Or even a chronicle where the characters are supposed to find a way to become mortals again. And don't forget that White Wolf also has Hunter: The Reckoning, where you're a hunter and you're supposed to kill vampires, werewolves, mummies, etc. On the other hand, in D&D, a Dugneon master could run a game where everyone has to be an evil character, and do evil things to get to their ultimate goals. Such nwould be interesting if the DM wants to play this, then do another campaign set up on the idea that the (new) characters have to undo what their older characters did. More often then not, however, a DM who does that is just looking for a way to control out-of-control characters. Or just because they're really sick It depends on the person...not the game. The game is a thing, an idea, and is neither good nor bad. I quote Patamon when I say "Did you know that Light and Darkness are brothers? Darkness isn't bad, it's what you do with it that's bad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B][COLOR=darkblue]*points to her sig* I will never, never understand you people.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE] If you stil played games then you might understand it. The only reasom i barely understand D&D is because of EQ. Since they are slightly similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Sheesh its just a game... Alot of people take things WAY too seriously! Kids are gonna get corrupted sooner or later... Like it matters if the game has pagen gods in it... so what? Who cares if you go and create your own religion?? Big freaking deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Chicken Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Well put...You're going to get corrupted regardless how it happenns, so you might as well let it happen in a way that the person chooses. I like, I like very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE2 Posted March 26, 2003 Author Share Posted March 26, 2003 Yes, corruption is inevitable. There are only a few things in this world that are inevitable. Corruption, death...c'est la vie. Also, I doubt the Bible has any rules against creating your own idols and deities. It simply says "Thou shalt not worship false idols". If you don't worship them, then you're not in trouble. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to get down on my hands and knees and worship Pelor or St. Cuthbert or Nerull any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 What about Joe Pesci? [color=red][size=1]What about post relevance? -Justin[/size][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE2 Posted March 30, 2003 Author Share Posted March 30, 2003 Joe Pesci? Maybe. He's not a 'false idol', because I can point to idols made in his image that are real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 yeah he is, haven't you ever listened to George Carlin's stand up on HBO? He worships the sun and prays to Joe Pesci. It is about as sacreligious as dnd with the gods in it. Truthfully, I really don't know anyone who is week willed enough to fall for "make belive." If ya know any send them my direction, it would be great to start a cult and get sone Governemtn funding under Bush's new plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nytcretur Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 If i do recall correctlly i remember reading something in the book about not judgeing others. If that is correct then i wouldn't worry about any christian that says anything to you about that; seeing as how they would essentially be sinners them selves. No real christian, strick to the book would do that. Again this is just if i remember correctlly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juu Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 [color=ff00cc] [size=1]Hmm... I had a friend a few years ago, who was only allowed to watch Disney movies... Her parents thought Pokemon was evil because it ment 'pocket monsters'. They also didn't let her watch Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and any anime. They didn't like Lord of the Rings, because of the Silmarillion, since it was like a middle-earth bible. And they were afraid her younger brothers and sisters would think there really were elves, and a tree gave off light. - .-;[/color] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShinje Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nytcretur [/i] [B]If i do recall correctlly i remember reading something in the book about not judgeing others. If that is correct then i wouldn't worry about any christian that says anything to you about that; seeing as how they would essentially be sinners them selves. No real christian, strick to the book would do that. Again this is just if i remember correctlly!! [/B][/QUOTE] [size=1][color=darkblue] You are 100% correct. I am a christian, that doesn't mean I can't play Grand theft auto, Or watch the Matrix, which spome christians heavily bashed when it came out, even thought there actually is christian symbolism and similies within that cool movie. you can check them out on the web, just do a web search for matrix and chrisitan symbolism. This example is only one reason we s=houldn't judge others, because we might not know all the facts. [/size][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 I believe people only have a right to judge in their best interests. For instance, choosing not to hang out with someone on weekends because that someone could distract you from your intended goal in life. And for the first person to say something like "Well, if you really had a strond faith, you wouldn't be led away." I say, in the most kindly of ways, "Shut up." Just because we follow Christ, and attempt to be more like, doesn't mean we ever will. So we, like anyone else, have to watch the situation we put ourselves in. However, just because I choose not to hang out with so-and-so on weekends, doesn't mean that I shun them at school and places like that. In fact, the opposite should be true; but that's another story. And just because I choose not to hang out with so-and-so on weekends, doesn't mean I have the right to say "You're evil, you're going to Hell and there's no hope for you. Now, bow down to me and kiss my big toe." That's not my place, or my power. That's the general position of the Bible on man's judgment of man. Protect yourself, but don't condemn the lost. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 [COLOR=green]it is true that we aren't supposed to judge others. but people's stance will be exposed by their fruit, and sometimes we are supposed to call them on it. if someone is directly blastflaming God, are we not supposed to say that they are wrong? or if they go and rape people or animals? there are times when you are supposed to call them on it. they might not even know what they're doing is wrong. but hay what do i know? i haven't even read the bible yet.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 There's a difference, though, in judging someone and telling them they're wrong. Judging them would actually condemning them and punishing them for their sin. Telling them they're wrong, why, and if they're interested, what they can do about it is helping them out and spreading the Gospel. See the difference? -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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