Vegitto4 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B][color=darkblue] They played it even when they weren't playing it. It became another whole reality to them. In fact, they had a problem distiguishing reality from the fantasy. [/color] [/B][/QUOTE] That happens alot with EverQuest. But anyway. 1)I have never played D&D, partially because of the whole forbidden thing( damn super baptist parents), and I haven't had much interest in it. I can see some similarities with EQ, being with the clerics, and paladins, and warriors and such, so I might pick it up one day, but that will be a long time from now. 2) No, the game itself does not corrupt the mind, of anybody, let alone christians. Being christian myself, I have never let myself fall totally and completely into the reality of the game i was playing. it's nice to imagine it, but beign that it's not real, it kinda ruins the fun of acting like it really does exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 [color=green]i just thought of something. you know, in the middle ages, it was considered a game for the kids of a lord to beat/wip/cut pesents that disobeyed/couldn't pay back their lord. how could that be wrong/evil/satanic or whatever if it's just a game? as long as they don't take it to heart . . . . i'm not saying d&d is evil, for i have never played it and have nothing to base my judgment opon, i'm just thinking out loud a little . . . .[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Newt Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I play D&D quite often and it does not corrupt me any further than I already am. And I also am a DM. And I will definetely agree that no one should ever watch the D&D movie. It is full of s**t. Nothing in it even comes close to the actual game. And by itself it was a very bad movie. But yeah, you could also have your players worship the christian god. Well in our gaming group we percieve the D&D god, Heironius as basically the equivalent of the Christian God. Even if we do play evil characters in D&D (Which I do regularly :D) We aren't going to go out and slaughter an entire town. ~TUN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Just one small note from me here: Temptation is not sin. Thank you, -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i] [B]Just one small note from me here: Temptation is not sin. Thank you, -Justin [/B][/QUOTE] Your right, giving in to a temptation that is against God's Will is the sin. That was for those that were planning on trying to argue his statement. Anyway. Quick question, whats a DM? I am not versed in the upper ways of D&D. I know the baisics because EQ is similar(class wise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinnyLyn Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 DM=Dungeon master. And I never said that temptation is sin. Just clearing that up. ;) I'm sorry if you misinterpretted me. I once played a board game called Hero's Quest. It had additional expansion packs and was a lot of fun (I dunno if any of you know of this game). My grandmother had gotten it for me, but warned me never to tell my mom, for fear my mom would go ballistic. Again, though, it's only a problem if you go out and actually [i]do[/i] that stuff (black magic, murder and theivery, etc). I never did, I never will. I know when Pokémon first filtered into our house years ago, I was afraid of my parents banning it because of the "evolution" bit (which, personally, I believe is a misnomer--it's more like metamorphosis, in the sense of butterflies and now I'm rambling). Anyways, my parents just asked me one thing: "do you believe in evolution now that it is in your game?" I told them that no game or show would ever sway me from what I personally believed in, nor could any person. I was making my own choices. They were so impressed with my maturity that they have respected my decision on my forms of entertainment since. Look at it this way: people could claim that the FF series or other video games are just as bad as D&D, but no one's picking on them (or the majority of them, anyway). It's just a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 The world is a sad, sad place when people get bent out of shape over a game. Hell, I wonder if Christian mothers are ever going to GTA3/GTAVC a "satanic" game because of the effort the developers spent on making the flames realistic. I also can't help but wonder if people who are making up these idiotic claims are ingesting twenty kilos of crack daily... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinnyLyn Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Was it the flames or the mission directives (which, I was told, one included running over a handicapped person)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 [color=crimson]In the end its up to the person's own guilt or lack thereof what type of entertainment materials they buy. Personally, I find it somewhat idiotic since it is not real- Entertainment should be censored for minors, yes, but if you are an adult then you are free to do what you wish with your money, within the boundries of the law. If you are a Christian and see a game like Doom, Clive Barker's Undying, or a boxed set of DnD rules on the shelf and feel that it would threaten your faith, or its something sinful, then I respect your opinon. But if I myself want to buy a game like that, then I wish not to be condemned for it or have a sudden movement be made to ban it from everyones use, thats a bit rash. The thing is, with every form of entertainment you could become heavily addicted, it just seems to happen moreso with the varying types of games- it isnt the devil at work, its merely human emotion in my opinon. I'm sure if Satan wanted to find a way to demonize people, he could be a bit more creative than Dungeons and Dragons, lol. Now, off I go to play Xenosaga..[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinnyLyn Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 *laughs, pointing to his last line* Oh, the irony. (Um, that's irony, right? Or humor? Or...*hates English*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 [color=crimson]Perhaps both. I'm glad someone found that funny. [inserted it there for comedic purposes][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GinnyLyn [/i] [B] Anyways, my parents just asked me one thing: "do you believe in evolution now that it is in your game?" [/B][/QUOTE] [color=#808080]That's really scary. o_O Anyway, I think the key point here is not just whether you are personally swayed by something, it's whether or not your parents trust your judgement. I mean, my parents never had any problems letting me play any kind of games, because they knew I was educated enough about the real world that I'd obviously not start believing in things that aren't real or whatever. I tend to find that most children are actually a lot more savvy with these things than parents give them credit for. Most kids understand that it's harmless fun, I think. But parents start to bring fundamentalist religion into the equation, or some weird political belief...and that really hurts their own children I think. I mean, it's a restrictive force on the children. Besides, with something such as Harry Potter...if parents actually READ the book, they'll find that it doesn't even come close to encouraging Satanic things. It's basically a story about friendship and courage; it just happens to be set in a world of wizards. But, do we then not teach our children about ancient myths in history because we're afraid that they'll be swayed? That reminds me of the Taliban blowing up those ancient Bhudda statues, because they couldn't even respect history itself due to their own short sightedness. Blah, I'm sure we could all go on and on about this...but considering this entire site is built around fantasy and imagination, I'm pretty confident that nobody here is concerned about being swayed by a video game or an anime. lol[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Medra, if anyone faulted GTA for anything, it would not the realistic flames. It would be the mission objectives. I, in fact, have made the choice not to play that game. It is pretend, but when I think about it, it's just too pretend. (Ginny, my last post wasn't directed at you, it was posted just for everyone's general information, lol) -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I think it's all down to preference. I'm not touching GTA with a ten foot pole.. or any other kind of pole for that matter.. because my personal way of thinking is that simulating a crime is no less a sin than the crime itself if you get enjoyment from it. In the same way that I believe sin can be as broad as "intending to do wrong" rather than just the act of doing it. But that's just my personal view of things.There are many Christians who won't drink alcohol, not because they're told not to (but that happens too) but because they can't keep it under control when they do. Some Christians won't gamble, because it's like an addiction to them. I'm just one of those who won't play a crime simulator, because of the principals behind it. It's not all black and white.. it's just kind of down to preference. With regards to the actual thread topic, the way I see it, the only way D&D could corrupt Christians is if you actually worshipped some foreign dieties in there.. but apart from that, I think you're safe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zemekis_ Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 How can anybody with even a small amount of faith feel threatened by a GAME? Sure, D&D is one of those lifestyle/expressionist games, but nonetheless, it's still just an amusement. It's not a product of satan, inc. I've read entirely too many D&D books in my day, and have yet stopped and thought "gee, maybe this god thing isn't cool" -- I think instead it's those ultra-conservitive moms and dads being afraid when junior doesn't wanna play outside. I was really bookish as a kid and I'm making a lot more money reading and using my imagination than I am playing a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tasis [/i] [B][color=003399]If you're gonna take religion into concept, what about games like Grandia II, which totally revolve around religion? Isn't that the same? [size=1]We must also realize i'm a really big D&D fan...[/size][/color] [/B][/QUOTE] I agree, i am currently near the end of Grandia and this is the most religion freaky game i have ever played. Basically god is dead and the devil is sleeping. Mind freak. back on topic, people actually spitting forth this garbage are saying that people are easily influenced and have no will of their own. how many games actually focus on the God and Devil thing? Games are fantasy adventures you have to escape from the real world. Nothing more nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 [color=green]All games pretty much come down to the almighty thing of good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, ect. D&D is just another one of those games; with the exception of those weird groups that always play CE characters and go on mass slaughtering sprees. Anyway, I have personally never found myself playing any other type of character other than good, it is just one of those things that you have to do to ensure that you have a good gaming experience. The game is based off of pretty much all the PC's playing as good rather than evil. Sure, the game can be twisted and contorted to let, in rare occasions, people play as someone like an anti-paladin or an evil cleric. That is pretty much all I have to say on the topic.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Chaotic Good all the way! w00t!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 No no, it's all about Chaotic Evil. That's the easyist to pull off in my opintion. And if ya roll real low, suddenly your a vampire bard instead of a bard :P If this is saying anyone away from their lifelong faith with which they were indoctrinated, please avert your eyes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 LOL. u made a funny. I still like my cleric. flame srike is a wonderful, wonderful spell. Incinerated an orc mage with it once. quite a sight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 I miss my bard the team threw in the volcano, and before that they clubed her to death when she was bleeding out unconsciuos on the groun...level 4 and at +13 perform check!!! And my Star Wars Scoundrel they shot to death...And my Yuske Yurrimeshi SW ripoff they flame throwered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 I don't think I've ever had a charactor so annoying that they got killed by the others..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 They wern't anoying...That's the sad part. They were very helpful. The bard always gave them bonuses. My scoundrel shot stuff from miles away and was a team player. Yuske (level 6) grappled the level 13 Sith Lord boss. Then he went unconscious and he was "collateral" dammage. My characters are always collateral arround power players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i] [B]Medra, if anyone faulted GTA for anything, it would not the realistic flames. It would be the mission objectives. I, in fact, have made the choice not to play that game. It is pretend, but when I think about it, it's just too pretend. -Justin [/B][/QUOTE] And that's a personal choice that I can respect. But when GTAIII first came out, and such claims were about, it pissed me off. Oh, a parent didn't like it because their fourteen year old son beat a guy that pickpocketed him to death with a baseball bat. Big ****in' deal. It's a game. When Christian mothers [directed to the ones that started all of this ******** about D&D] make a child read a bible all day long, and that child ends up quoting scriptures as he's in a bell tower with a 30-30, who's fault is it? The parents. But if the child happened to play a five minute session of a violent game, suddenly socity lashes out at the likes of Rockstar and Running With Scissors. THAT'S why I'm so aggressive when it comes to topics like that. And Ginny, no. As far as I know, there are no mentally/physically challenged NPCs in the GTA games. And the mission objectives, while a mobster's dream, are simply "Go and kill this enemy who tried to kill so-and-so." or "Go and get this car with a stiff in it and take it to the car crusher." I find it moronic and hurtful that parents try to ban a game just because it's a collection of 1950s gang movies writtin on a DVD ROM disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 I dunno...when I run into 7 year olds playing TFC (an M rated game), it fightens me. I wonder how the blood and gore is warping their minds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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