DuoMax Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 In my opinion, no ne has the right to judge. ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nytcretur [/i] [B]If i do recall correctlly i remember reading something in the book about not judgeing others. If that is correct then i wouldn't worry about any christian that says anything to you about that; seeing as how they would essentially be sinners them selves. No real christian, strick to the book would do that. Again this is just if i remember correctlly!! [/B][/QUOTE] Allow me to illustrate with an example of what Justin meant [b]Judgement[/b] [i]YOU KILLED A GUY! YOU'RE GOING TO HELL! BE GONE WITH YOU, HEATHEN!![/i] [b]Stupidity[/b] [i]YOU KILLED A GUY! but hey.. I'm not one to judge. Do it again if you want, because hey.. who am I to diss your lifestyle?[/i] [b]What we [i]should[/i] do[/b] [i]You killed someone.. God forgives you, and I forgive you, but know that it is wrong and don't do it again[/i] See the difference now? and no, playing a game is hardly comparable to killing a guy, but hey.. that's not the point I'm making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE2 Posted March 31, 2003 Author Share Posted March 31, 2003 The line between judgement, stupidity, and what we [i]should[/i] do is very, very blurry in mine eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by REVENGE2 [/i] [B]The line between judgement, stupidity, and what we [i]should[/i] do is very, very blurry in mine eyes.[/B][/QUOTE] o_O.. I didn't think I could make it much clearer.. but heh.. What I meant was that to judge people is to say that they are bad people and are going to hell.. which is the wrong thing to do. On the other hand, to say that something immoral is alright, purely because we have no right to judge [i]people[/i] is also the wrong thing to do.. and is pretty stupid The right thing to do is to say that the person's actions are wrong, but without condemning them as a person. i.e., they [i]have[/i] done some bad stuff but no-one's condemning them for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE2 Posted April 3, 2003 Author Share Posted April 3, 2003 Eh...so let me get this straight... I kill a person. Let's make it your mother/female guardian. You won't condem me? BTW, to Judge someone is to give them a fair trial. That is, a trial in which a arbiterory-type person (the Judge in most cases), who is neutral to the situation, listens to both sides of the argument, and then decides what to do. Judging does not necisrarly condem someone. I judge you to be...Christian. Doesn't mean I;m comdeming you [holds back any further comments on Christianity) And let's try to leave The Big Guy out of judgement calls. Even better, let's get back on topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Yes, being on topic sounds wonderful. But first, The Big Guy is the one who makes the judgment calls. So leaving Him out is not an option for you. And second, God does give a fair trial when He judges someone. He already knows all sides of any arguement, and He has the final say on what is right and what is wrong anyway. He doesn't have to get the popular opinion from a jury. Now third, if you kill my mother, you had best not do it in front of me. Because I assure you, if you were to kill my mother in front of me, my humanness would take over...and you'd find out how real God is much quicker than you expected to. Is that a sin on my part? Of course. That's why I thank God daily for His mercy. We are all human. And the best we can do is all we can do. Anyway, I stick by my opinions. If any Christian feels than D&D stands in between them and God, by all means, they should have nothing to with it. But just because that has an affect on their faith doesn't mean it's that way for all Christians. My personal weaknesses are lust and temper and all those nasty little things that follow them. Therefore, I try and should try to seperate myself from sexual situations and confrontational situations. Not everyone has my problems, though. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 That is so true Justin. I am VERY anti death penalty, but if someone laid a hand on my family, i would want them to die by being skinned alive. Just me blabbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nytcretur Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Hahahahaha, no induvidual is supposed to judge another; it does say that in the book.When a legal judge judges you it is in a leagal sense, not a Godly manner. He is only doing his job, but when someone says "you're gonna go to hell" for doing something, that is a vague way of judging another. If you are a true bible beater that is how it works, and unfortunately, many are that way and it upsets me quite a bit. As far as killing a family member that was taking it a little far, we are talking about a game (very different circumstances). All this, no matter what also depends on the old book or new book. That is why rediculous religious arguments are often never settled, to many people say they know religion but they seem to always get the books confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Maul Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 It does not! I am a Christian, and I know many other Christians who play DnD and other table top RPG's, and they are not the work of the devil. The people who say that are the ones who thing the Lord of the Rings is satanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE2 Posted April 4, 2003 Author Share Posted April 4, 2003 Last time I checked, JRR Tolkien was a very strict Christian. There are Christian hints all over LotR if you know where to look. Most of the people who say D&D is Satanaic are going around with white hoods over thier faces and also preeching about White Superiority, i.e., the Ku Klux Klan. Stupid Klan members. I especially hate them because "The Klan" would have been a great name for a trash metal band. *** What happens if I disagree with God? I still fail to see why he's so much better then everyone else just because he created us. Especially the God portrayed in the first book of the Bible (I can't spell testimate...testimet...you know what I mean, so I'll just use OT). Most of the OT is concerned with God comming down on group C for what group A did to group B. Group A: Caine's descendants Group B: Seth's descendants Group C: Llamas What did the Llamas do? Does it ever say that God was unimpressed with their work as Llamas? That they had failed to be proper Llamas in Llamadom (That sounds like a Muslim word...freaky)? NO! But all but two of them took the big swim along with all the other animals. Group A: Egyptians Group B: Israelites Group C: Firstborn children The egyptians will not let the Israelites go, so god kills all the firstborn children of each household not marked with a funky symbol. IS THAT FAIR?! Think of all the things that those children could have grown up to do! They had done NOTHING! That pisses me off a whole lot more then the Llama issue. If I were the egyptain pharaoh, I would STILL not have let the Israelites go, in fact I would have ordered the death of all thier firstborn children. Jesus isn't truely much better. This is from a web page I stumbled across one day. This guy basicly takes a bunch of random things and gives them ratings, inculding Star Wars villains, the Seven Deadly Sins, Unreal Torment weapons, and the Miracles of Jesus. Withering a Fig Tree You might want to look this one up, because if you haven't read it you're not going to believe me. It's in Matthew 21:18-22. Christ is hungry, he sees a fig tree, but there are no figs, so in a scene reminiscent of "The Fox and the Grapes II: The Revenge" he curses the tree so that it will never grow fruit again. Weird. Eerie. Disturbing. C- ------ Also all the deadly sins. A lot of them aren't actually that bad. -Gluttony: Quoting Brunching Shuttlecocks: "Most people group sloth and gluttony together as the Slob Sins, but the fact is that your dedicated glutton puts a lot of effort into his or her sin. Finding the stores with the pillowcase-sized bags of potato chips, checking out which lunch buffets shut down at 2:00 and which go on until 3:30, taping Nabisco commercials--gluttony can be hard work. Take time out to give a glutton you know a pat on the back and a bite of your sandwich, just to say "Hey, thanks for being a glutton."" -Greed: if it weren't for humanity's greed then we wouldn't be here. We'd be in Eden, running around naked and laughing our heads off much like the Rei clones in the tank in Evangelion. -Lust: Come on! Like thre's a single angel in heaven who hasn't lusted after someone or something at some point. It's like in Dogma. It takes faith to believe that Mary was impregnated by God himself and yet still a virgin. It takes stupidity to think that she was a virgin for ALL her life. Lust is part of what it is to...well, actually, it's part of what it is to simply [i]be[/i]. To think that anything with conscience thought doesn't lust is just stupid. ...Incedentally, this goes into my argument as to why dolphins are at least as intelelgent as humans. Dolphins are the only other animals on the planet who have sex for pleasure, not for mating purposes. -Pride: I again quote Brunching Shuttlecocks: "I'm not sure how this one works. Is plain old everyday pride sinful or do you have to get into the realm of hubris before you're in trouble? Do you go to hell for saying "this is a pretty tasty three-bean salad I've made, if I do say so myself," or do you have to say "why, I bet this is a better three-bean salad than GOD could make"? And what about self-esteem? My high school counselors were always pushing self-esteem on me. Were they pawns of the Adversary? So many questions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 If you meant that post to be taken seriously, you didn't present it as though you did. You may not see God as that great. I didn't either until He did something in my life. I guess that's a matter of opinion. The sad thing about all of it is, is that you never get the chance to really know until after it's too late. So, you better hope you're right. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 I kinda see god as a temp worker with a bad attitude. With the state that the world is in, it's pretty obviouse that there is no caring compasionate man up there. So, I have a secret for you. There is no god- try and disprove me. And if god does throw me into a fiery pit for not belive in him, I will laugh at how petty he is (chances are I will not be laughing by screeming in pain, but on the inside...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 WAY MUCHO BIG QUESTION: If God REALLY loves us so much, why doesn't He stop He from killing each other, etc.? And don't say its because He gave Us free will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinnyLyn Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 What part of "STOP TURNING ALL THREADS INTO RELIGION BASHING" are you missing here? Shut up, people. I am sick to death of your higher up attitudes just because you think that you're right and I'm wrong. You're telling me you can believe whatever you want and to leave you alone, thank you very much? So how about some respect of that same sort back my way? I'm reporting this thread to Elite right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Quote | DuoMax - In my opinion, no ne has the right to judge. ever. - Hehe since this is going to be closed I want to chuck this in. Duo every thing you have said so far in this thread is judgemental, you are a hypocrite! Don?t tell others they don?t have the right judge, because you are judging them. Yeah you take your own logic! As for the topic, what the heck. What does D&D have to do with Christianity. Was it made by a religious guy? Eps ? Tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 [b][color=515050][size=1]Well, I have to agree with what Ginny has said here. This thread has totally strayed off topic. Yes, religion is part and parcel of the topic, but there is way too much arguing that really bears no relation to the subject. [/b][/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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