Would you serve your country?

[Seifer]

Its amazing how many people I know would not willingly serve their country in a crises like this. Just out of curiousity everyone please take the pole. Up top. I will start of by voting for one yes vote.

[BabyGirl]

[color=deeppink]No. I don't think I could handle the emotional pressure...I'm one of those people who feels horrific events very deeply.[/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

No... I'm a passivist... I will NOT fight in any war.... I will support my country in other ways but I will NOT fight or participate in any war with another country whether I hate them or not.

There are different deffinitions of American pride besides the brytal act of killing in a war... which I think is totally wrong.

[MysticBabe]

I'm sorry, i can not take this poll, because i would do both. I would serve my country for everything it needs. EXCEPT in a war. Yes we should do something about this, but it is pointless to start a war. More pain and death will come of it. More families will die and/or mourn. more suffering will be caused.The innocent will die. Is that what you want? do you want to help cause this choas? It's all pointless! Especially when other countries can wipe america clean of the map! Especially when the world has weapons strong enough to destroy it! Pretty soon you'll be seeing Mobile suit wars that will never end because of mindless power hungry people!

[James]

[color=darkblue]If my country were being attacked (like in WWII), then yes...I would sacrifice my life to defend it.

Having said that, this issue is a terrorist issue, it is NOT an international war.

This is more about stamping out terror groups...rather than actually defeating a national oppressor.

If this is Osama Bin Laden (once again...sp?), all I can say is...if I were left alone in a room with him...god knows how I would react. I'm not a violent person, but it'd be incredibly difficult not to cause some serious damage.[/color]

[PiroMunkie]

[SIZE=1]Would I serve my country? No. Probably not. I'm very apathetic towards this country. Now if par say one of my close friends or direct family died in battle? Yes. I would go out there and fight for them, not my country. But I have about 2 1/2 years before I'm old enoguh to do anything like that so I got some time.[/SIZE]

[amibasuki]

Yes. if I was actually gonna fight, I'd more than likely be scared outta my wits, but I would try to do my best. I wouldn't attack another country, but I would certainly defend mine. serving my country as in helping the wounded, volunteering at Red Crosses, etc., there would be absoutely no question about it.

[Seifer]

I respect pacifists but I do not agree with them. Pacifism does nothign to deter war. My gosh even Gundam Wing pointed out that. If everyone could be pacifists it would work. Theres a presence of evil in the world that weill always be here. With that presence of evil you will need t protect yourself against it. Evil is not going away. No matter what there will always be murders, terrorism, crimes, and so on. Pacifism is like just ignoring it saying i am not going to deal with it. I just dont see how that could work. Wars are bad but there a part of life. Even God used wars for his purpose. They will never go away. I want to protect my country from this evil. this is my opinion. I know most of you dont agree, in fact I dont think a single person agrees with me. Im still in shock no one cares.

I dont know if I mentioned this but during all this mess today I heard a girl say, "I have more important things to think about then this."(refering to the WTC Terror). that hurt me. Im serious, I was hurt by that. thousands of people have just died. She didnt care. Like I said before I would do anything, die too if I was killed in battle)to keep things like what happend today from happening. who knows, next time it could be your family. We can help stop this. Its not going away but we can protect our familys and friends. But to do that you have to be willing to give a little.

[MysticBabe]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Seifer [/i]
[B]I respect pacifists but I do not agree with them. Pacifism does nothign to deter war. My gosh even Gundam Wing pointed out that. If everyone could be pacifists it would work. Theres a presence of evil in the world that weill always be here. With that presence of evil you will need t protect yourself against it. Evil is not going away. No matter what there will always be murders, terrorism, crimes, and so on. Pacifism is like just ignoring it saying i am not going to deal with it. I just dont see how that could work. Wars are bad but there a part of life. Even God used wars for his purpose. They will never go away. I want to protect my country from this evil. this is my opinion. I know most of you dont agree, in fact I dont think a single person agrees with me. Im still in shock no one cares.

I dont know if I mentioned this but during all this mess today I heard a girl say, "I have more important things to think about then this."(refering to the WTC Terror). that hurt me. Im serious, I was hurt by that. thousands of people have just died. She didnt care. Like I said before I would do anything, die too if I was killed in battle)to keep things like what happend today from happening. who knows, next time it could be your family. We can help stop this. Its not going away but we can protect our familys and friends. But to do that you have to be willing to give a little. [/B][/QUOTE]
ok, first of all, Gundum WIng is a T.V. show, a cartoon, anime, not real life. and also million of years into the future if we ever get there. I read somewhere, probably the bible, That the world is not YET perfect. But one day it will. I do care for my country, and what happens to it. I washaving all mixed feelings when i found out about the bombing, i felt like i needed to be somewhere, and not at school. Revenge is stupid when we are trying to make peace in this world. We should not go and bomb whoever bombed us. We SHOULD do something about it, yes, but not start a war. We need to find out why they took this course of action and make sure it doesn't happen again. Have you all heard the saying "Forgive and forget"? well, we certainly can't forget, but we can forgive, it might take a while, but we can do it.

[Seifer]

Thats good to here Goten. I was afraid I was the only one. I just want everyone to understand that if they feel war is wrong and dont fight then we will just be taken over by a foreing country and have their troops all throught our country enforcing martial law upon us. Every night we will have to be indoors by the tiome the street lights come on. They will head out bread and water and maybe animals if we are lucky. We will have to live under their goverments rules. (More tahn likely comuneism or socialism) and theres no telling how lonmg it will last. Everyone should read about life in occupied france during WWII. I dont want that and I dont want my kids to have to go through that. Then if thats happens you either live like that forever our you start a revolutionary war to become free again. See war is a part of life. So thats why I will fight to protect my country.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Seifer [/i]
[B]I respect pacifists but I do not agree with them. Pacifism does nothign to deter war. My gosh even Gundam Wing pointed out that. If everyone could be pacifists it would work. Theres a presence of evil in the world that weill always be here. With that presence of evil you will need t protect yourself against it. Evil is not going away. No matter what there will always be murders, terrorism, crimes, and so on. Pacifism is like just ignoring it saying i am not going to deal with it. I just dont see how that could work. Wars are bad but there a part of life. Even God used wars for his purpose. They will never go away. I want to protect my country from this evil. this is my opinion. I know most of you dont agree, in fact I dont think a single person agrees with me. Im still in shock no one cares.

[/B][/QUOTE]

This is your opinion and I shall respect that.... however I will not agree with it...

theonly reason we have war is because humans are dumb enough to decide hatred is needed.... I will stand for my views... as I'm sure you will stand for yours... I won't waste my time trying to tell you why and how and try to get you to think like me... as I'm sure you won't either... I'm not goin to change my way on life... that doesn't mean I don't care though....

[Seifer]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MysticBabe [/i]
[B]
ok, first of all, Gundum WIng is a T.V. show, a cartoon, anime, not real life. and also million of years into the future if we ever get there. I read somewhere, probably the bible, That the world is not YET perfect. But one day it will. I do care for my country, and what happens to it. I washaving all mixed feelings when i found out about the bombing, i felt like i needed to be somewhere, and not at school. Revenge is stupid when we are trying to make peace in this world. We should not go and bomb whoever bombed us. We SHOULD do something about it, yes, but not start a war. We need to find out why they took this course of action and make sure it doesn't happen again. Have you all heard the saying "Forgive and forget"? well, we certainly can't forget, but we can forgive, it might take a while, but we can do it. [/B][/QUOTE]

LOL! yes gundam wing is a anime(not all that great of one) but it illustrates my point. So we dont strike back. What happens then? answer that please. Oh and what do you suppose we do, invite him for tea. We are not acting on revenge we are acting to protect the people of the us. If we do nothing what stops this from happening again. We have already enforced laws and regulations to keep this from happening. Thats not working either. If we detroy their abilioty to wage WAR we stop them from making terrorist attacks for a long time. Look at Iraq. We took action against them. They cant do anything now. They dont have missles or anything. We have succesfully kept them from damaging counrties like they did in the past. If we had not have stepped in , Israel would be nothing but scud craters.

[Seifer]

I thank you transtic for being mature about this and respecting my opinion. You dont find that this much in todays world. I repsect you opinion too. I would love to believ in that and would if I believed it would work. I just have different views. Once again I am glad we can discuss this like adults.

[MysticBabe]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Seifer [/i]
[B]Thats good to here Goten. I was afraid I was the only one. I just want everyone to understand that if they feel war is wrong and dont fight then we will just be taken over by a foreing country and have their troops all throught our country enforcing martial law upon us. Every night we will have to be indoors by the tiome the street lights come on. They will head out bread and water and maybe animals if we are lucky. We will have to live under their goverments rules. (More tahn likely comuneism or socialism) and theres no telling how lonmg it will last. Everyone should read about life in occupied france during WWII. I dont want that and I dont want my kids to have to go through that. Then if thats happens you either live like that forever our you start a revolutionary war to become free again. See war is a part of life. So thats why I will fight to protect my country. [/B][/QUOTE]
ok, thats a different story, what i'm trying to say is, we shouldn't go off and fight some country, when they haven't even declared war yet. if the country is attacking us still, and will not stop, then course of action must take place. but we should try to get through there heads through peace first, and fix the problem. a world without wars would be nice.

[Seifer]

That I agrea with you. Except for the fact about only attack them if they keep attacking. this today was ridiculous. that was a clear act of War. If thats not declaring war on someone then what is. That requires retaliation. Peace should be the first thing consired though. A world with out wars is Heaven. Most of us know that heaven is not here on earth. It makes you think of how grand heaven will be to those of us he make it there.

[MysticBabe]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Seifer [/i]
[B]

LOL! yes gundam wing is a anime(not all that great of one) but it illustrates my point. So we dont strike back. What happens then? answer that please. Oh and what do you suppose we do, invite him for tea. We are not acting on revenge we are acting to protect the people of the us. If we do nothing what stops this from happening again. We have already enforced laws and regulations to keep this from happening. Thats not working either. If we detroy their abilioty to wage WAR we stop them from making terrorist attacks for a long time. Look at Iraq. We took action against them. They cant do anything now. They dont have missles or anything. We have succesfully kept them from damaging counrties like they did in the past. If we had not have stepped in , Israel would be nothing but scud craters. [/B][/QUOTE] don't you get it that Iraq is possibly the one who attacked? they say its either Irag or Iran, pick your choice. and i'm saying there should be no war period. they are probably waiting for our response, and i'm saying that our response should not be war. Pardon me, but i must say fair well to the boards for the night.

[Seifer]

I must retire for the night too but before I go I would like to say a couple things.

Sorry to anyone I pissed off. I have been really emotionaly today. Im glad we where able to be on different sides of the issue and debate it like civilized adults. I repsect everyones opinion and I hope you all respect mine. I would like to leave posting this from reuters. It seems as though this was part of ladin. Also lets all go to bed tonight and think about what al has happend. Look at how pointless this was and how many peiople are suffering right now. This is all ridiculous. Why must these things happen. 200 firemen are unaccounted for right now. They where trying to ave fellow americans from thhese terrorist attacks. Wars are bad. They cause death thats un neccesarry. But im sorry this is just something that cannot go unanswered. now I leave you with the reuters report. good night all. May god save us all.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People who conducted attacks on New York and Washington that destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon (news - web sites) may have had links to Saudi exile Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) or his organization, U.S. officials said on Tuesday.

[b]Names of suspected ``terrorists'' with possible ties to bin Laden's organization were found on the passenger rosters of the hijacked planes, a government source said.[/b]

U.S. officials throughout the day have said the massive attacks by hijackers who crashed commercial airplanes into the buildings may be linked to bin Laden.

The United States has accused the Saudi exile, who has refuge in Afghanistan (news - web sites), of masterminding the coordinated 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

An Arab journalist with access to bin Laden told Reuters in London that bin Laden had warned three weeks ago of an ''unprecedented attack'' on U.S. interests.

But U.S. officials said they had no advance warning that such an attack was in the works.

``There was no advance warning of this,'' one official said on condition of anonymity.

Asked if he believed bin Laden was responsible, Sen. Richard Shelby (news - bio - voting record), an Alabama Republican who is vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said: ``A lot of things point to him.''

``There are indications that people with links to bin Laden and the al Qaeda organization may have been responsible,'' a U.S. official told Reuters on condition of anonymity. ``There is reason to believe people with links to him may have been responsible for this,'' he added.

The attacks, the worst on the U.S. mainland in modern history, plunged the country into chaos and panic, paralyzing communications, forcing the evacuation of key buildings, closing financial markets and schools.

U.S. investigators have also been looking into whether the suicide bombing of the USS Cole (news - web sites) warship in Yemen last year, which killed 17 American sailors, had ties to bin Laden.

But some intelligence analysts urged caution in making snap judgements about who was responsible for Tuesday's attacks, saying it could have been the work of other groups tied to the Middle East, angry over a perception that the United States supports Israel to the detriment of the Palestinians.

[RicoTranzrig]

Yes I would...even though it will damage me greatly if I fought. I owe it to my country. I'll do this because I want to ensure the freedom of future generations. I already said this before but....'freedom isn't free'...we're never safe if we don't band together as a family, even if we do live in a place where nearly everyone has an opportunity to make something of themselves. This is our home, and we won't be disrespected in our own home.

[Navi]

serve my country? no. im still trying to decide if we were justified in bombing japan with nuclear weapons. i read that we just needed a reason to test the bombs. i don't know if i'd want us (the US) to bomb/attack another country because they're 'harboring' (the) terrorist(s) and kill more innocent people. is that what you call justice?

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Navi [/i]
[B]serve my country? no. im still trying to decide if we were justified in bombing japan with nuclear weapons. i read that we just needed a reason to test the bombs. i don't know if i'd want us (the US) to bomb/attack another country because they're 'harboring' (the) terrorist(s) and kill more innocent people. is that what you call justice? [/B][/QUOTE]

To people bent on revenge for what they did to their familiy, yes.... to a person who thinks what they are doing and the possible consequences, no.... justice is finding these people and these people involved ONLY and putting them to death. thats the only true justice... anything else is revenge, and only revenge.... there is no such thing as Justice in war.... there is no honor in war... only death...

[Navi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]To people bent on revenge for what they did to their familiy, yes.... to a person who thinks what they are doing and the possible consequences, no.... justice is finding these people and these people involved ONLY and putting them to death. thats the only true justice... anything else is revenge, and only revenge.... there is no such thing as Justice in war.... there is no honor in war... only death... [/B][/QUOTE]

you should fix that, heh :p

that was a rhetorical question. boohooohooo:p

There, I did :p

[Pastbyer]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]

To people bent on revenge for what they did to their familiy, yes.... to a person who thinks what they are doing and the possible consequences, no.... justice is finding these people and these people involved ONLY and putting them to death. thats the only true justice... anything else is revenge, and only revenge.... there is no such thing as Justice in war.... there is no honor in war... only death... [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree with that. If there was war I will refuse to fight no matter what. Because I live only for the people I love even if they don't love back. And my hope of true peace is the only thing that stops me from dying right at this moment of a suffering soul. Oh, well what's the point in explaining anyway. No one will listen...

[Will2x]

i would fight for my country, i support my country 100%.
i wouldnt be sitting on my butt while my people die. id get out there and fight with them. if it means war then let there be war. if it means death then let there be death.

[Cecil]

I would serve my country, but that dosnt mean I will fight or kill, If I was some how forced to fight, I would recruit in the airforce and be a machanic or an enigneer of which are both some of my strong points, but fightig isnt.

[Justin]

You bet I would dammit..I lost a BABY cousin a [b]B A B Y[/b] cousin. All the bastards should die...

-Justin