Sadham/Osama Dead or Alive?

[gotenssj_2002]

Hey u guys with all this war in Iraq/afganistan do u guys believe that saddham or osama is dead or alive? i personally think that osama is alive and well in pakistan(Damn Musaraf)...and i think that sadham is under hiding or in Syria. I mean if both of them were alive they would not let the US marines take down statues, and come to the center of Bagdad etc.
Goten

[Transtic Nerve]

uhh well since there's absolutely no proof we've killed either of them the only option is to assume they are alive. I mean, they were alive before and if you don't find them dead, you must oviously still assume they are alive.

Osama is a bit smarter than Saddam. Saddam has too much pride and will stay in Iraq, or so say the people who've documented him and lived near him. However, Osama is a coward who fears for his own life and hides in various places...

[Justin]

haha, so, in other words, neither of them is worth a nickle. On the one hand, Saddam is stupid and will stay in his country to fight off a force he cannot beat.

Whereas, Osama is cowardly because he [i]won't[/i] fight it.

I have to agree with Chris. I imagine both are very alive.

-Justin

[Mitch]

[color=black][font=rockwell][font=rockwell][size=1] This thread is pretty pointless. I thought it would be closed here; and I'm sure it will, too, eventually.

This is all purely skeptical guesses; so what does it matter? I know pretty certainly that in my mind I doubt that either of them will be killed for quite some time. There's barely a chance that that supposed bombing of that building could've had him in it. Saddam isn't [i]that[/i] stupid. If he was that stupid, then he'd have been gone from Iraq a long time ago.[/color][/font][/size][/font]

[Sandy]

"If both of them would be alive, they wouldn't let US Marines take down the statues..."

*blinks* Excuse me, WHAT? Where did you get the idea that Osama Bin Laden has any connections to Saddam Hussein? They aren't supposed to even know each other, let alone be some kind of friends! Hussein is an Iraqi dictator, Bin Laden is one of the leaders of Taleban - there's no connection! (except that they are the two of world's most hated men from USA's point of view)

I want to ease you by ensuring you that those two don't have any mutual conspiracies against your country - or else I'm a dancing elphant carrying an umbrella! This war is driving everybody crazy, and people start to see enemies and alliances everywhere - which is BAD! My advise is that one shouldn't worry about those things: there's nothing anybody in not-so-high-position can do! Things are already way too mixed up... :(

And please don't talk about Hussein or Osama like you actually KNEW what they are like in person (meaning the talk about cowardice or stupidness). You can't possibly know it, so all those theories are worth nothing. Both sides of the war are sending so much carbage and propaganda that one is better of if one takes nothing for granted.

Well, that was all I got say... :blush:

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]Why wouldn't Saddam allow the statues to be torn down? What would he do, yell out a window and say "hey! don't rip down my statue!"

Regardless, it was cool to see such an open display of rebellion against Saddams rule. Whether you are for or against this war, you have to agree that it is good thing that the Iraqi people are free of his regime.[/color]

[MarkM]

Look i hate sadam and Osoma as much as the next guy, but Osoma is supporting us in Iraq. They found another tape of his. It said that he wanted his people (supporters) to help with the war in Iraq. But put that aside, i beleve that Osomas much smarter than saddam. Osoma respects his people, Sadam kills them, Sadams two sons rape them! But i beleve Sadam is dead, and Osoma is alive

[TheShinje]

[size=1][color=darkblue] Saddam has survived the other strike against him, so it is possible that he is very much alive, as for Osama Bin Laden, I would assume he is dead, and those tapes are forgeries. I don't see how the worlds biggest and powerful army can't find one guy. I'm pretty sure they got him in a bombing. [/size][/color]

[tabmow]

For practical purposes Saddam is dead unless he surfaces within the next few days and leads or commands an attack on Bagdad. Even if he is physically alive he is dead to the world because his people are reveling in their freedom. Saddam is figurativly dead if not physically. Osama on the other hand is very much alive. Even if he is physically deceased his organization can keep the persona alive mainly due to the fact that it is not linked to any specific location. To prove Osama dead we need a body. Saddam has lost his seat of power if we can relieve the Iraqis of the fear of his reign we have effectivly killed him.

[Kent]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tabmow [/i]
[B]For practical purposes Saddam is dead unless he surfaces within the next few days and leads or commands an attack on Bagdad. Even if he is physically alive he is dead to the world because his people are reveling in their freedom. Saddam is figurativly dead if not physically. Osama on the other hand is very much alive. Even if he is physically deceased his organization can keep the persona alive mainly due to the fact that it is not linked to any specific location. To prove Osama dead we need a body. Saddam has lost his seat of power if we can relieve the Iraqis of the fear of his reign we have effectivly killed him. [/B][/QUOTE]

Indeed... this is exactly it...

Now, for the moment, we must all rejoice with our new bothers in democracy.

... to all of us who supported this effort in the begining, it is nothing less than true happiness, to the rest of you, Im sure this is a bitter sweet taste.

Freedom and happiness to all.

[James]

[color=#808080]Basically, it doesn't matter. Today is a clear example that Saddam has lost power in Iraq.

Hopefully he's dead. If not, hopefully we capture him.

The people of Iraq are happy (and thus I think the position of some of us on the boards have been totally vindicated by today's events), and now begins the process of rebuilding. I don't want to sound flippant, but you know...that's another chapter of history that is coming to a close. It's a good day for peace I think.

Anyway, all of that aside...I think that this thread is really pretty redundant. If someone wants to start a dicussion about post-war Iraq (the liberation and such), I did originally mention that I'd allow it. But let's stick to one thread on that subject. And let's try to make it a bit more useful than a simple "is Saddam/Osama dead?" kind of thing.[/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hot head [/i]
[B]Look i hate sadam and Osoma as much as the next guy, but Osoma is supporting us in Iraq. They found another tape of his. It said that he wanted his people (supporters) to help with the war in Iraq. [/B][/QUOTE]

lol, you got it backwards... he was urging the Muslim world to back Saddam and to help in suicide bombings on the US army and any couuntry who supports the US in Iraq. He also said that he urged the Arab people to stand up to Pro-Western governments.

Osama and Saddam aren't in cohutes. They don't even like each other all that well. So I doubt Osama really deeply cares that much about Saddam, and I'ms ure the feeling is mutual.

Sage, I refered to Saddam as stupid based on what experts said on him. Experts who HAD been with him in person. I didn't make it up. I based it on what they said about him and what they knew about him... they all said Saddam would not leave his country like other terrorist. He wasn't a coward. I just don't think thats the smartest idea, cause he'll be dead soon. The US government wants him dead. They want to assisinate him. But yeah anyway, thats what I meant. Osama is just weird and a coward. Anyone who runs from what they do is a coward, and Osama has run from it, thus he is a coward.

Edit: James, you like to close topics when I'm in the middle of a responce...... -_____-;