Is there ever a good enough reason for suicide?

[Justin]

I also find suicide to be a pretty selfish act. And I'm not someone who's never been in that position, looking down and talking about something that I've never experienced. I wasn't always so content with my life.

I think my only reason for never going through with it was simply that I didn't want to hurt anyone else. I knew, in spite of how I felt, that there were many who cared about me. I also knew that my killing myself wouldn't do anything except give a whole lot of people some serious problems.

It's a sad situation that many people are in, when they start thinking about that. I know, because I was there.

-Justin

[GinnyLyn]

[url]http://www.itswalky.com/d/19990208.html[/url]
The storyline I am referring to begins right about here. Runs through to about mid March. Don't expect any easy answers on suicide, though. If life had easy answers, life wouldn't be so frelling hard, now would it?

[Wintermute]

Oh I'm not expecting answers, it just sounds like a well written thing

[bra]

I think that it is very selfish. There is no good reason for it. I deal with that every now and then at my job I don't like having to see it but people end up killing themselves because they don't think anyone loves them. My thoughts about this is suicide is pretty much a way to get out of life and it is a wussy way out.

[Phantom]

Eh, selfish is selfish.

Definately, each situation is based upon very different reasons.

I dont think that all suicides are selfish, but I dont think that they are really justified. I mean it goes against our coded genetic make up.

will to live and spread is what we should do.

Maybe it's a genetic fault...or just the will to defy our genes in the face of hardship..

But my final personal verdict is that there is no reason to justify it unless your ill with a terminal illness and all your family agrees (including yourself lol) that it is the most painless transit of bringing to end a painful existence.

Of course thats not 'legal' everywhere.

And again, depending on the situation, its not selfish... or it is.

[Will2x]

suicides when you have no future, friends, hope and no one that cares.
also when you're suffering and going to die. if you're depressed and you know it suicide is stupid and a waste of funeral money. life should be respected.

[Vegitto4]

Will, were you trying to explain suicide, or just trying to say in a very warped way that it's justified/not justified?

[Wintermute]

It could well be a genetic thing according to the Selfish Gene theory, and while most of the theory makes sense, I don't like that bit, I mean I think suicide is mostly a reflection of personal cirumstances, not genetics, although they may contribute in terms of attitudes and similar.

[Guest Fiasco]

Killing yourself is retarded, so you can't cope with your life? So what? If you kill yourself, there is no turning back. Its impossible to erase. So what? Your life sucks, everyone's life sucks. Thats still no reason not to be able to cope with your sucky life, its bound to pick up eventually, and killing yourself is quite selfish and a way to try and fix your problems when actually, you make more problems for the people that cared for you. If you commit suicide, your mental state is quite weak and pathetic. Killing yourself is idiotic, no matter what the circumstances are. If you think suicide is justifiable then you are also weak minded, so what? Kill yourself then, see what its like to never go back.

[Vegitto4]

Wow, any depressed person that read that, just got a load of disses thrown at them. Which is not the way to try and solve things I might add. Do try to be carefull in what you say solitaire, i've had some trouble not thinking before I speak, so i know it when I see it.

[Guest Fiasco]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vegitto4 [/i]
[B]Wow, any depressed person that read that, just got a load of disses thrown at them. Which is not the way to try and solve things I might add. Do try to be carefull in what you say solitaire, i've had some trouble not thinking before I speak, so i know it when I see it. [/B][/QUOTE]

Heh, thanks for reminding me, depression is nothing more then a state of mind. Depression is just a sad excuse for things not going the way you planned them to go. Also, I'm not afraid to be flamed at because anyone with half a brain would realize that what I said is the truth. Suicide is only for weak minded people, and if your that weak, you won't make it...

[Wintermute]

I would'nt say that at all. I think you have to be quite strong minded to make that final leap, it's just that the strength of your mind is pushing the wrong way.

[Guest Fiasco]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wintermute [/i]
[B]I would'nt say that at all. I think you have to be quite strong minded to make that final leap, it's just that the strength of your mind is pushing the wrong way. [/B][/QUOTE]

Strong minded? Not really, because most people that are "depressed" kill themselves more offend then other people that aren't. I mean jeesh, you don't need to think about it, just do it, because your already at the "depressional" phase and you've thought about it, and you want to. Go ahead, do it then, I don't care. Ha.

[Sara]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by solitaire [/i]
[B]Heh, thanks for reminding me, depression is nothing more then a state of mind. Depression is just a sad excuse for things not going the way you planned them to go. [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]I have to admit I was surprised to see you post this. I don't think that's true at all.[/SIZE]

[Guest Fiasco]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sara [/i]
[B][SIZE=1]I have to admit I was surprised to see you post this. I don't think that's true at all.[/SIZE] [/B][/QUOTE]

Hm, really? Why so surprised? I believe that depression is just another way of saying your sad, I mean jeesh, if thats not depression then what is it? I've got no qualms against anyone, I would just like to see if I'm correct in my beliefs....

[Charles]

This oversimplification and complete misunderstanding in regard to depression is a little funny. I'm taken back by it.

Depression sure isn't just another way of saying "you're sad." Did you know that severe or prolonged depression can interfere with one's ability to function, feel pleasure, or maintain interest? It's an [b]illness[/b] that results from biochemical imbalances in the brain. And, wouldn't you know, depression is linked to mood disorders.

After reading your so-called beliefs, I'd say that you're in serious need of a psych class. You appear to be completely oblivious to the suffering that the suicidal endure, Solitaire. I wonder if you've even read a number of these posts. If not, go back and do so, you may learn something. As it stands now, you know very little about suicide or the suicidal.

I mean, : pauses and shakes head: how is someone suffering from manic depressive [b]illness[/b] (which is characterized by radical mood swings from severe depression to exaggerated emotions, mind you), "retarded?" I can't remember the exact numbers, but I know that a significant number of people affected by depression-related illness commit suicide.

That doesn't mean that they're less intelligent than you or I. Nope. Many don't even know that they're affected by the disease. So, it's a lack of awareness of their condition and treatment of it, that results in their downfall. It doesn't make them inferior.

In the future, try not to be so harsh with your posts. It's uncalled for. Labeling one side of the argument as "weak minded" is a terrible thing to do. While debating issues, it's always important to respect the other side, even if you disagree with their opinions.

[bra]

My point exactly. I deal with it a lot of times while I work. It is nothing to take lightly, I mean, people's lives are at hand. It is a very serious mentle illness that one in seven people deal with in the United States, mind you. All in all, I think that there is no justice to taking your own life.

[Wintermute]

Hang on Solitaire, you think that depression is the reason for suicide, (fair enough), suicide is for the weak minded, and that depression is another way of being sad....

So are you saying you have to be weak minded to be sad? Because that doesn't make sense at all.

[kiddy_phenil]

With terminal illness, suicide seems to be the only way out. It seems more humane,and less cruel of a fate in instances, and it makes them feel like the have control over their own destiny. Then again, if you pull religion in you get more questions, like had they been alive what more good could they have done, if they had fufilled their purpose or not. Like for those that believe in god, its said that suicide is never part of the master plan, I personally don't believe that they will go to hell, rather, i believe they will have to go through another incarnation. think how much of a suck time hitler's havin? then there is mental retardation, which is really the only truly valid reason, which they have no control, and actually feel they deserve the pain, that they don' deserve to live. there's a difference between suicide and martyrdom, but i'll just leave it at this, suicide causes pain and suffering to if not the person, then to the people around them, i personally feel that in most instances it is not justified, but in special instances if the person is not reached in time, it cannot be helped.

[GinnyLyn]

I despair of life right now. I feel either unwelcome or ignored wherever I go.

HOME: Because of taxes, we are going to lose our house. Essentially, in order for my family to be able to live in any house now, I have to move out. Which means I need to get an apartment. I only make enough money each month to cover my car payments and gas bill. College is difficult to cover. So an apartment is out of the question. I'll could be on the streets this summer...

SCHOOL: I worked hard to get into the art show and failed. I applied for an art scholarship, and it went to someone else. I've turned to abstract art and like it a bit, though no one else does. I wonder if my one true talent isn't one at all, and where I could possibly go in life without any road to follow.

WORK: Sure, I got a raise, but that results in less hours for me (which means I'm losing money instead of gaining it). I used to be the pride and joy of the ToGo business, until this other girl, who's cuter and flirts shamelessly with the managers, showed up. So naturally, I've fallen into the shadows. My excellence in my work has only produced customers who demand the excellence as the norm now, which I can't do 24/7. My favorite boss is being transferred, one of my closed friends ignored me for no reason yesterday (I thought we were getting along great, and now I won't see her anymore--she's on leave), and the other one is on maternity leave.

SOCIALLY: I'm dangerously depressive and as such, a chore to be around. I have little to no self-esteem ever since my uncle "took advantage" of me when I was little, I'm losing motivation, and I've broken more relationships that I can count because of my illness. Don't tell me depressed people aren't aware of what they are doing--I am, and it hurts all the more. I continue to alienate myself for no good reason, I suspect everyone and trust no one, and in the end, I'm just all alone.

HEALTH WISE: Because of my failure to take care of myself, I've got a very good chance of getting blood poisoning when I am 30 and dying. Lucky me.

RELIGIOUSLY: What really hurts in all this is that I am in no way being a Christian when I am like this. I'm failing to promote the Kingdom, and making all Christians look bad in the process. "Eloi, Eloi..."

So, what do you think? Am I justified in taking my own life? [spoiler]I am not going to commit suicide, but I'm providing a very real example of how much it hurts to be in depression.[/spoiler]

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wintermute [/i]
[B]So are you saying you have to be weak minded to be sad? Because that doesn't make sense at all. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why not? If your'e strong minded you wouldn't allow yourself to be sad all the time for pretty much no reason and making things out to be worse than they are.

As for GinnyLyn:
Quite of a few of those problems are you fault. Your home one isn't your fault, see if there's a friend you can stay with or something that's what I did. The art thing isn't that big of a deal, and dont' expect to be making money as an artist either. For your social problem, quit being so damn depressing then. Be happier, if you have some dark thought just shut up, it'll do wonders. Health, change your eating habits or whatever. For religion, just consider this as a test.

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]I avoided this thread for awhile then finally broke down & read it just now. So even though I know I'll regret it, I'm going to say something.

Only very few people here could have any idea of the **** I've been experiencing. Even those people can't really understand. I'm not even going to get into it, because it's pointless. If it wasn't for the thought of hurting those I love, I would have committed suicide a long time ago. Now I have more important things to consider. So I'm not going to tell anyone they're wrong for thinking that way. I'll try my damnedest to talk them out of it, but I could never judge or be angry with a person for doing it.

So is it justifiable? To the person who does it, of course. To the people left behind, it depends on how much empathy they have. They word "justify" means "to give a reason for." So I doubt there's anybody who's ever committed suicide for no damn reason at all.[/color]

[spike speigel]

In my opinion, suicide is just an easy way out of things. Sure, if your life is going bad, it'd be so easy to just kill yourself, just get away from the pains of life. But why would you want to? Can anyone's life really be so bad that there is no hope at all? Is there so much torment in one's life that they want to die. I find that hard to believe, yet I could be wrong. I have never felt so horrible that I've contemplated suicide. I will, however, continue to stand by my belief that no one's life can be so horrible that the only way to change it is through dieing. So, as you can see, I believe that there is never a good reason for suicide. It is not justifiable in anyway.




OOC: Don't mind this attachment. It just needs to be here temporarily.

[Shade]

I keep telling myself that if I die before I'm 13 then I won't be happy in heaven because I'll be stuck as a kid forever and being a kid stinks because you're too young to do anything.

Seriously, I can't just go tell my parents, "I've had it with my piece of **** life, so I'm going to kill myself!" They won't send me to a psychiatrist. Instead, they'll just spank me until I apologize! When will they ever learn that I'm not 5 years old! I'm almost 13! My parents are so...oh, yeah. We were talking about suicide, not my life. But that's why I want to kill myself. I often think about killin' myself, but then I think, "Do I really want to go to ****?"

[Kwai]

Suicide is not justified under any circumstances. To suicide is to reject the world and to reject yourself. Thats the lowest anyone can go.