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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B][color=#808080]But is it an actual martial art with a real life history or is it something copied from an anime? lol[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Seriously, it is so funny to watch people pull moves from movies and stuff. ^_^ My friends *cough*the coordinated ones*cough* do that all the time, it it's just hilarious.[/SIZE]
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sara [/i]
[B][SIZE=1]Seriously, it is so funny to watch people pull moves from movies and stuff. ^_^ [/SIZE] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=ff00cc] [size=1]Lol. There's this group of sixth graders who actually kick and punch each other like they do in Dragonball Z. They even scream for a long time until their faces turn red. o_o;

During the 'Project Green' volunteer project yesterday, one of the boys tried spinning the broom like a staff, and scraped the assistant principal's car. :rolleyes:[/color] [/size]
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[font=gothic][color=crimson]Well, I did karate for years, and got to one level below black before the stupid organisation did a runner, then a few years later I took up Tae Kwon Do and realised just how annoying karate is. As a style, it's not mobile enough.

Sometime very soon, I very much intend to take up nanigata, even though it doesn't exist in Australia, Wing Chun, and anything that uses kamas, nunchukas, kasurigamas, sais, bo, jo, escrima staff, you know the drill. Well, I do anyway. But then, my Tae Kwon Do instructor says I'm a natural at this...Which is why I can use most of those weapons already...hehehe.[/font][/color]
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin [/i]
[B][font=gothic][color=crimson]...Which is why I can use most of those weapons already...hehehe.[/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [SIZE=1]Scary thought.[/SIZE]
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[To Harlequin]
And you got beaten up by Chris...
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Can I ask the people here that do these sports, which do you believe is better. To know the theory or to be able to preform the moves of the particular art?

For example Harlequin knows the theory (or he's just been talking babble for the last few years, I'm clueless on the subject so I could easily be tricked this way.) but he isn't particularly good at using what he knows. (Don't get me wrong, he could beat me up easily. But that isn't really some thing to gloat about. It's the equivalent, in computer terms, to walking into a Linux programs convention and saying "hay look guys I crashed windows!")
On the other hand I have another friend (Aimie) who doesn't follow the theory very much and can easily beat any one I've know, she is nearly better than her master person.

So which do you think is better, or is it possible to have a good mix?

Eps - Teh!
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[font=gothic][color=crimson]One comes with the other. If you know, and practice the theory, then you perform the moves well. You cannot perform truly effective moves without the theory, no matter how good anyone is. I'm not saying you have to be taught the theory, you just have to understand it.

Oh, and actually, I'm quite good at using what I know. Ask anyone in my dojang.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][size=1][font=rockwell] I'm a physical whimp. But my mind I suppose is pretty intelligent, or I am as a whole. So I could care less about being physically strong. Mentally is where I'm at all of the time.[/color][/size][/font]
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[size=1][color=crimson]I wish I could do martial arts, but I'm afraid that I'd quit too quickly (I'm a known quitter, I hate myself for that). Plus I don't know of any martial arts centres that use butterfly swords, spears, broadswords or any weapons that I consider myself good at.. *sighs* I hate England.[/size][/color]
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[quote]As a style, it's not mobile enough.[/quote] I kinda resent that cuz karate is divided into many, many different forms and styles so you can't really just point at karate and say its not mobile enough. I guess the karate style didn't suit yours. Its hard to find the style that suits you to a T since there are hundreds of thousands of styles for any martial arts.
[quote]nanigata[/quote] Don't you mean naginata? Its that Scythe thingy right? I usually c girls practice that in Japan. Boys usually take Kenjutsu and girls take Naginata for some reason -_-.
About understanding the theory, our dojo teaches about three levels in training. The first level is observing what is taught by the masters, assimilating their theory/style, and being true to their style. The second level is slowly adding upon what you learned, and basically adding your own two cents to the theory you learned. The third and final level is when you completely free yourself from what you have learned and strike out on your own to create your own style.
I follow up on the theories, but I really can't say I'm a single style cuz I read a couple of different people's works on Kenjutsu and I just pick and choose what I think is best or true. But in the end, whoever has a good, solid theory and practices daily wins. That is my conclusion from 8 yrs. of Kenjutsu.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin [/i]
[B][font=gothic][color=crimson]Sometime very soon, I very much intend to take up nanigata, even though it doesn't exist in Australia, Wing Chun, and anything that uses kamas, nunchukas, kasurigamas, sais, bo, jo, escrima staff, you know the drill. [/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=ff00cc] [size=1]Sais! Whoo! ^^
Well, I learned how to use sais by myself. Mine aren't very long, and they're easier to twirl, rather than the longer ones my cousin has. When I started practacing, I had to sit on the floor, since I kept dropping it on my toes. Bo, to me, are a little harder to control than sais. You really need an open space to practace, and it's a little embarrising practacing at a park or something.

At my old Tae Kwon Do school, I took Nunchaku for a week, then quit. I don't plan on going back, either. I actually lost my grip on one of mine, and it hit the person in front of me in the back real hard. o.o;;[/color] [/size]
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Juuthena [/i]
[B][color=ff00cc] [size=1]At my old Tae Kwon Do school, I took Nunchaku for a week, then quit. I don't plan on going back, either. I actually lost my grip on one of mine, and it hit the person in front of me in the back real hard. o.o;;[/color] [/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=009966]ouch...o_0;

I used to take tae kwan do, but it wasn't for very long. I sometimes wish that I could go back, but right now, I wish I can go back to fencing....[/color]
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Ooo... wats fencing like? People come up to me and ask how Kenjutsu is different from fencing and I can't answer those since I hab no clue about how fencing works and the rules and stuff. How do u get poitns off the opponent and how do you use your sword? Do you stab, slash, cut?
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Oradriel I believe that fencing has four (or three) basic moves, it is more a game of wits and skill. You are only allowed to use these few movements, your opponent is also only allowed to use these movements the winner is the person to get a strike on the opponent or drive them behind a line on their side. (Push them back off the stage?) I've always wanted to have a go at it and I might join some day soon, don't know. Ask Enigma, he knows a bit about it.

Also good work on your post quality, nice to see a newbie with posts worth reading. :)

Thanks for your answers to my question guys. :P

Eps ? Boo!
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Sixth Degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do, yeah not only do I know my anime but I'm -__- about as tough as an anime character to match.
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=P Still a 1st degree black belt... err... there really isn't belts in Kenjutsu but a 1st degree master =P. And ty for the info. on fencing. 4 moves eh? Its like that in Kenjutsu. The only valid points are the head, wrist, stomach/waist, and the neck/throat(only higher levels). But we have a huge array of combos and feints to master along the way so its cool. I think fencing is rather similar... we also have a square arena around 11*11 meters, and if you cross the line, you are given a foul, and if you get 2 fouls, the opponent gets 1 free point. 2 poitns first wins. The time limit to a match depends, sometimes its three, sometimes its five minutes. Its relatively short, so you can do your absolute best cuz it really doesn't drag out that long and you don't have to worry about conserving your strength too much(unless in tournament).
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Oradriel I believe that fencing has four (or three) basic moves, it is more a game of wits and skill. You are only allowed to use these few movements, your opponent is also only allowed to use these movements the winner is the person to get a strike on the opponent or drive them behind a line on their side. (Push them back off the stage?) I've always wanted to have a go at it and I might join some day soon, don't know[/B][/QUOTE]

Almost, heh.

There are four very basic moves and then more advanced ones as you progress, but there's no limit to the number of moves you can do. Except in foil and epee- no slashing. Sabre fencing's the only one you can slash in. But apat form that you can do anything so long as your body doesn;t touch the other person or so long as you don't turn your back on the opponent.

The aim is to hit someone with the sword (foil, sabre or epee) so that the point would 'have the property of penetration', i.e. it would pierce them if the end of it were sharp. You can get points against you if you're forced off the edge of the piste, but you're not supposed to do that really. It's quite rude.
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Out of curiosity, is there any specific country fencing came from? And is fencing realistic? Like if the sabres you guys use for fencing is replaced with real sabres, will it actually be effective in killing? Kenjutsu can be both effective in killing or not depending on the style you take(some style encourages you to hit and then keep cutting through while other styles encourage just lightly tapping)
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Personally, fencing is another thing I would love to learn, but where would I ever be able to use it? If some guy was attacking me, I wouldn't have a sabre handy. ._.;

But still, I love characters that have swords and suchlike, so getting a chance to just see what it is all about would be worthwhile.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Oradriel [/i]
[B]Out of curiosity, is there any specific country fencing came from? And is fencing realistic? Like if the sabres you guys use for fencing is replaced with real sabres, will it actually be effective in killing? Kenjutsu can be both effective in killing or not depending on the style you take(some style encourages you to hit and then keep cutting through while other styles encourage just lightly tapping) [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm not too sure where fencing originated from, but I do know that they were using rapiers (which the fencing foils were modelled from) by the time of the English Civil War, sort of 1640's, I think.

In terms of realism, the fencing foils aren't as strong or wide as the ones they used to use- most of the ones that looked almost exactly like the modern foils were too flimsy to stand up to too much punishment and were usually worn as a symbol of status by officers or whatever. But the fighting style is realistic, yeah. But it depends how good you are with the swords.
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