Kent Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 In many of our favorite shows we find tragedy, it is part of what draws us into a story on an emotional level. This thought is prompted by the constant torment on my soul from series like cowboy bebop. Well, a new series can be added to this group of shows that create heartache- trigun. I didnt fall into the emotional side of trigun until tonight. With [spoiler]the death of wolfwood.[/spoiler] This killed me. It was right up there with the end of cowboy bebop... of course, maybe it wasn't at that level, but it really did make me want to just cry. The depression set in on me... I actually wanted to believe it didnt happen in trigun, just as others have felt with cowboy bebop. I had to go on a search just to find out if it was true... to my saddness, it was. I want to know what you guys think about these tragedies in our favorite animes. Do you think it is needed to make a good show? Is it possible to achieve the same emotional content without the tragedy? So name the other shows that you feel this way about if you want and please opine on any other elements that you would like to. Well, I can say now that I really love the shows, but I also hate to see the tragedy of them. It is just depressing, flat-out. Oh yea, please dont ruin the ends of these series for those of us waiting to finish them. Even with spoiler tags, its hard not to read them. Thanks for the read, -kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 [color=#808080]Well, I felt that Teknoman had a lot of tragedy. But by having such tragedy, you can also more accurately measure the good times. For instance, [spoiler]when Blade lost his memory at the end of the series[/spoiler], there was a feeling that everything he'd worked for was useless -- he couldn't enjoy life any longer. And yet, that wasn't really true. Although it was initially sad, there was a message of hope. [spoiler]Blade's memory loss meant that he had forgotten the battles with his own family (in which his sister had died - she was particularly of note, I'd day) and he forgot his own mental and physical tragedies. So yes, it was sad...but it was also hopeful.[/spoiler] There are many other examples too, of course. Evangelion is a series with significant emotional power and tragedy...and I think it makes EVA very real and very relevant.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hikaru Ichijyo Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Well I think pretty much most of the really good anime series have tragedy towards the end. Just take the example with Macross at [spoiler]the end the SDF-1 is destroyed by Kyrhon aka Kaifun, killing most of the crew from the SDF-1 leaving only Rick and Lisa alive. However they still found a way to keep fighting on as they built the MegaRoad-1 and continued the mission their friends hand intended to go on.[/spoiler] I suppose every series likes to use tragedy to show that humans have the power to keep fighting on even when the chips are down, and to basically make a series feel more real. Not every show can have a happy ending I actually perfer those anime series that give us a harsh dose of reality about how life really is. I think that's what really makes animes great and us identify with them. It's also endings or stories like those that make certain series standout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2 Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 **SPOILERS** Here are just a few great tragedies in anime that piss me off. Macross was full of tragedies. In fact I think it was the first anime I saw that dealed with such tragic events. [spoiler]The one I hate , besides the destruction of the SDF-1, is the death of Roy Folker, that really sucked. I mean he died before he could eat his pineapple salad!:mad: This was shortly followed up by the death of Ben Dixon. [/spoiler] Another death that really sucked was that of [spoiler]Wolfwood. I just saw the episode last night, and I really felt bad for the guy. But what really ticked me off was that I heard he didn't die in the manga![/spoiler] :mad: Why did the creators of the anime have to change the story! [color=hotpink][size=1]I added spoiler tags for you. All you have to do to use them from now on is to type [spoiler]Then what you want to say.[/ spoiler] Hope this helps. :) *QA*[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 [color=hotpink][size=1]I like the tragedies even though they hit hard sometimes. Like in Fushigi Yugi when [spoiler]Nuriko dies, and then Hotohori, and then Amiboshi...[/spoiler] That's when I get really upset. But it makes the series that much better because it can actually draw out that type of emotional in you. ^_^[/size][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillieFan Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 I have to agree with QA: tragedy is often a quite interesting part of the story in any anime. Nevertheless, I somewhat agree with the poster who complained. While it was well-written and possibly good for the current series, [spoiler] killing off Wolfwood[/spoiler] made making the second manga series into an anime series almost impossible unless the chronology is worked around or a new character is introduced, because [spoiler]Wolfwood was one of the main characters in it, from what I've heard.[/spoiler] While it was a good writing decision for immediately advancing the plot, it was a miserable decision for any future series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i] [B][color=hotpink][size=1]I like the tragedies even though they hit hard sometimes. Like in Fushigi Yugi when [spoiler]Nuriko dies, and then Hotohori, and then Amiboshi...[/spoiler] That's when I get really upset. But it makes the series that much better because it can actually draw out that type of emotional in you. ^_^[/size][/color] [/B][/QUOTE] I felt the exact same way. I came really close to beating someone up, cuz they laughed when some of that stuff happened. Sadistic people! I was very upset during FY the 2nd gets really emotional and totally sucks you in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I think it's essential that animes have this kind of stuff. An anime that draw out great amounts of emotions are really great in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 For some reason, my parents say that they hate American films/movies cuz all of them are guaranteed a happy ending. They say that they like Japanese stories alot better because many of them have a tragedy that neutralizes the happy ending, or the story itself ends in a tragedy. I think making things tragic is just a 'must to do' in anime. Hmm... came close to beating someone up... I can imagine "John Smith, a bachelor, was mauled to death by an angry mob of anime fans when he laughed aloud during the airing of "_____" (Fill in w/ w/e anime) during the scene in which the main character _____, suffered a tragic loss of his/her _____. Civilians are cautioned to not laugh during any large anime gatherings, for their own health and well-being." But seriously, beating people up over anime is just gonna make people say that anime promotes violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 lol, she meant to laugh that was the thing that pissed me off... and she wouldnt stop, she deserved what she got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Yeah, well... I probably would attack anyone who laughs at the part Rei died in Evangelion... so I can't say much :p I guess anime does promote violence eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxmagentaxX Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I wouldnt say that. Not as much as anything else that people say promotes violence. I dont think things promote violence, if someone wants to be violent its their problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I guess anything that rouses emotion can be directed towards violence *shrugs* it all depends on the self-control that person has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazuko Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 (edited) ... Edited October 13, 2017 by Kazuko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 *looks down at his feet* sorry... :( I just blab too much these days -_-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy_phenil Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 then again, anime has such a lovely way of alternating endings and universes in it, tenchi, galaxy express 999, saber marionette, evangelion, any gundam series etc... i personally like movies where the main character or one of the main characters get hurt or dies. yes when you watch it it so incredibly sucks, yeah, like for rei, almost cried for that.. i like reading spoilers because it lets you focus more in on that character and get a greater appreciation for it through out the series, amazing how it sorta hurts more when you know what's going to happen though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiccansamurai Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 a lot of them hav happy endings. despite wolfoods death, trigun has a kinda happy ending... so does sailor moon, though many like fushigi yugi and serial expierements lain, dont... i think its more of a matter of who made it and stuff... i like the romantic endings, where a lot of ppl r happy, but i also like the sad endings.... im kinda useless when it come to opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WW2 [/i] [B]**SPOILERS** Another death that really sucked was that of [spoiler]Wolfwood. I just saw the episode last night, and I really felt bad for the guy. But what really ticked me off was that I heard he didn't die in the manga![/spoiler] :mad: Why did the creators of the anime have to change the story! [/QUOTE] Because the manga completely changes right before/around Fifth Moon. Also, Wolfwood is like, 17, and Knives appears much earlier. The Gung Ho Guns are different also, partly becuase when the anime was being made, not all of the GHG had been revealed in the manga. There are a lot of differences, and sadly, if you want, I can list a lot of them for you(but only if you've seen the whole series. I'm not spoiling anything else for you.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 I don't think most of you have seen Scryed, but when [spoiler]Kazuma's best friend died (can't remember his name because it's been so long), that hit me hard. He was one of my favorite characters and then he was killed.[/spoiler] Scryed is a great anime. I recommend it to all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Emotion is good, Boogie pop phantom, lain, just as long as the whole thing isn't sad. Then it gets boring. I prefer the character have his hopes brought up and then.....BAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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