Kwai Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Okay... to those people who say fighting is stupid... what if someone who hates u or has a grudge against u(which u are not aware of) takes a swing at you outside of school and proceeds to try to beat you to a pulp. Now, can u say that all manners of fighting is stupid? I'd rather defend myself rather than some idiot beat me up w/o me resisting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doukeshi Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Seriously, granted fighting hurts people but it's a natural occurence really and there's very little you can do about it. It's been going on for centuries so if you talk about mankind losing it you're going to have to analyse primates and other animals too..granted the don't go to war on eachother but it's pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked_Man Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 fighting is not dumb fighting is only dumb if its done for wrong reasons fighting can be fun me and my friends fight all the time not out of hatred but for fun learning to fight is needed without knowing how than how do u defend urself you must relay on urself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I think there are always better solutions; however, like martial arts, I think the human mind needs conditioning to employ them in an actual situation. In spite of my better judgement and my convictions, if someone randomly hits me, I'll probably fight back...that's always been my general nature. This, however, doesn't make it the best way or the right way. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 The urge to fight is within every human being. Its doesn't matter if you think fighting is useless and the root of all evil or not. Deep down there is always something you think is worth fightng for. It may be your freedom, family, friends, or beliefs. Or it may be something entirely trivial. It is this fight over trivial matters that gives fighting such a bad reputation. Its because the people who fight for power, land, or reputation, lack honor and good judgement. If you disagree with the fact the urge to fight is within everyone, then you are basically blinding yourself from reality. But thats just my opinion.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked_Man Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 well i dont think anyone could have put it better there ww2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 *Applauds WW2* Well said :devil: :angel: Take that anti-fighting people :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinken Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 Yeah WW2!!! I completely agree that a lot of people today have little to no sense of honor. And, as you can tell, I feel that fighting IS a necessity, especially in today's world. If you can't depend on the rest of the world, then you can only depend on yourself. It's as simple as that. SCORE: Otaku Warriors-1 Otaku Passifists (Spelling?)-0 Hitokiri Battosai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decadence Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 also the first thing mankind learnd was how to defend its self. that was a ggod thing too for if we hadnt the world would be run by tigers now. (sorry bout the joke but im serious) mankind knows how to fight because it must it must know to survive and survival is the basic instient of every human if its not that means they have no reason to live but the human race as a whole does so that basic instint will never die and neather will the will to fight. ok also some people just cant fight (uh... me for one) i just cant fight i know how i just cant i realy cant bring my self to knock someones teeth out im not a pasifist i just havnt been in a situation where i didnt have the option to just knock them down and run. i probly could just beat the 'ell outa some one i just dont have the will to but two guys slapping is different from just not having the will to fight if there is other options two guys slapping is just wierd especily if they are on any sports team cuz at least then you know that they cant be weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chichiri's Girl Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Ha Ha slaping!That is ssssooooooo pathtic!! I'm a girl and I punch and kick! Not that gender makes any difference... They could at least pinch each other geeze! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 N e one in here can probably beat me up w/o a stick -_- If i get a stick, all beware :devil: Fighting is a part of everyone, but fighting shall only be done for self-defense. Thats how it is for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinken Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 Well, Shado, my wrestling friend is kinda, well, weak. You know, the scrawny pasty dude type? He can wrestle, though, as after the slapfest he proceeded to get the other kid in a headlock and roll-flip him over his shoulder. But still, slapping... :rotflmao: Hitokiri Battosai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Like I posted before, I believe the reason some people don't really know how to defend themselves, is because of their growing dependence on technology and those stronger than they are. Its this dependence that makes people lazy, and ingnorant of things they need to know, such as self defense. This is what leads to slapping. If they wised up, they would realize the need to better themselves through self reliance. A virtue that can be taught by learning the art of self defense. But I don't see this happening anytime soon. But thats just my opinion.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 My proposal: Everyone take up martial arts at least for a year so you can kick any bully's butt :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 [color=darkblue]A slap is meant to humiliate or demonstrate anger, not to cause any real damage. So I doubt those guys really wanted to hurt each other that much. Also, walking away or avoiding potential fight situations doesn't work a lot of the time. Some people are just irrational. And I'd be unlikely to walk away from a fight if I have to turn my back on a dishonorable person, someone who would hit me from behind. That's happened to me a few times, once when I was walking away from an angry person, and a few times where I was just sucker punched from the side and couldn't see. So yeah, you can't always use logic or reasoning with this sort of thing. Defending the blows or kicks doesn't always work either, because if the person is determined enough, they will eventually get in some good ones or use weapons. The best thing to do is just subdue them as soon as you can. I'm not going to put myself at risk just because I don't want to have to hurt a stupid person. This is in general, by the way. I don't often fight. And I have never in my life picked a fight with somebody. In fact, I hate having to fight, and always feel guilty afterwards, even if the person deserved it. I should have started carrying a taser, so I wouldn't have to do it anymore.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Agreed in full with Lady M. Most people who start a fight are just too hot-headed or stupid or irrational(take your pick) to give a damn about honor and such. Walking away is definitely pointless cuz as Lady M. pointed out, you are vulnerable from behind. Defending is fine, but just defending is gonna get you nowhere unless you're some kinda master and can go on and wear him out. Unless you are that good, just trip him or hit him behind his neck to stun him. I find it effective to either kick them in the stomach or the groin to temporarily stun him so you can get out of there, or make a blow to the neck also to temporarily stun him/her. As to the guilt part, I really can't say I feel guilty after a fight unless it was I who was stupid and started it(which, as memory serves, never happened). Its self-defense, and I'm not gonna let some idiot injure me becuz he/she was stupid or irrational. I give plenty of warnings before fighting, and I say he/she crossed the line which should not have been crossed, and deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinken Posted May 24, 2003 Author Share Posted May 24, 2003 I agree with you there, Metatron. If it's in self-defense, then you'll be fine; unless you go to my school. I know some people will find this weird (I certainly do), but, even if it was in self-defense, you will STILL get in a whole ton of trouble at my school. My aforementioned friend was just attacked by the other (spazoid) kid, barely even laid a scratch on the spazoid, and he still got two days of in-school suspension for it. Or, as I like to call it, "At-School-Suspension". Get it? But seriously, why should you be punished if you were only defending yourself? Hitokiri Battosai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDragon465 Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 LOL!!! Slapping each other.:laugh: :laugh: We live in a peaceful era I guess that is why there is not much fighting and hardly used anymore. All you need in this era is a good brain and be smart. You hardly need fighting skills. Such a shame that guy's were slapping each other it makes them look weak and feminine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2 Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BlackDragon465 [/i] [B]LOL!!! Slapping each other.:laugh: :laugh: We live in a peaceful era I guess that is why there is not much fighting and hardly used anymore. All you need in this era is a good brain and be smart. You hardly need fighting skills. Such a shame that guy's were slapping each other it makes them look weak and feminine. [/B][/QUOTE] Peacful Era?! What are you talking about?!:eek: Don't you know that people are robbed, kidnapped, and murdered everyday? Oh yeah, don't forget about wide spread terrorism and the war we just had. These times we live in are far from being peaceful. For as long as people obsess over their desires, the earth will never be truly at peace. I fear that the only peace people can find now in days is within themselves. But thats just my opinion:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 Yeah but compared with the past... i think its somewhat peaceful. You really don't have to worry too much about learning swordsmanship or learning how to fight in order to defend yourself. All you need to do today is to buy a gun... point and shoot.... technology made mankind rather weak without ... well... technology.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2 Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 I'm sorry but I could never see myself using a gun. I believe fighting with guns is dishonorable, since it requires very little skill and relies too much on chance. A gun is but another machine that saves people from doing the work for themselves. Call me old fashion, butI believe conflicts should be decided through fights using one's own physical and mental skills, not with the use of machines. Sadly, it seems that many codes of honor such as this, have long been forgotten. But thats just my opinion:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 Good for you WW2! I think the value for human life has severly detiorated nowadays since all people need to do today is to aim and pull the trigger. I think people held more value for life when they had to cut the enemy down with a sword. Back then, you would have heard their anguish and pain. Now, the guy's dead with one bullet. The only time I actually think guns take skill is like in those wild west movies... the quick draw thingy. But those are still rather simple compared to actual combat with weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 I think most of the "Otaku Warriors" as you say, all need to get out and learn some things. I'm getting the impression that a few of you have watched too much televsion. I think Deb explained as best as could anyone. It's difficult [i]not[/i] to fight in some cases, not for lack of thinking or intelligence, but merely the other person's lack of the two. In most cases, I'll probably try to talk away, but I won't run. If they pursue me after I've turned away, they'd best take me out with the first blow. That, or they'll have to prove they're the better fighter. But you all acting like this is some kind of competition between pacifists and non-pacifists...you're not making a good image of yourselves. And those of you saying that using a gun take less skill than a blade...you obviously haven't used many guns in your life. Yes, at close range, using a gun is rather simple...but isn't the same true for any sword or knife...I think so. Killing with anything is not honorable. Even in war, there is no honor the actual killing. Only in that you've fought and killed for a cause greater than yourself. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinken Posted May 24, 2003 Author Share Posted May 24, 2003 WW2, there are few people like you left in the world. I also find the use of guns futile, dishonorable, take your pick. If only the code of bushido was still in place today, and more widespread... Well, I guess that means that people like us will just have to try that much harder... Hitokiri Battosai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 Okay... people, Bushido is dead. Having it back in place is not exactly a good idea... under that whole honor and stuff, there are stuff such as class, seppuku, and what not... even though some of the disciplines in the Bushido might be good today, having it back will not exactly be a good idea. And guns are superior to any form of fighting. No use denying it. Its there, and its the superior. Guns are not futile. And yes, guns take less skill than swords. It doesn't matter how hard it is, but the point it, as long as you aim and pull the trigger, the other guy is dead. Swords are not easy as you make it out to be. Just randomly swinging it is pointless. My point is that the value of life is deteriorating as history progresses because now, it is so much easier to take life without hearing the death cry or the blood. Technology makes taking life easier nowadays. I do not support taking life in any form, but guns are making it much easier to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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