Is there an afterlife?

[Bishie]

Hmmm....

I do believe in reincarnation, to some extent. I think, that when you die, you may get a choice..as to wether you can just "Be" or you can be born again, i find it hard to fathom that we are just a moment in time, a single star in the sky, im not sure why the heck we were put on this earth, but i dont believe for one second that we only get *one* chance at it, its humanities will..its been engraved in our heads somehow, to keep going, keep striving and not to give up. So i dont think we'd just finish our lives and it all ends there.

I mean, some may just want to uhh float or whatever (im not dead yet, i dunno) But some..i think would want to be born again, wether it be to correct mistakes or i dunno.
I also believe that we take part of ourselves with us in every life we do have, as Doukeshi03 said. Just a small part of our soul, that makes us who were are. If were ARE reborn, i very much doubt our personalities are different every time...because then, we'd really be no-one..would we?

If everything i am saying..isnt true *thinks* well im probably gonna stand wherever i'll be and argue the toss until i AM reborn again *chuckles* I dont want to just be a fleeting moment, selfish? maybe..its just who i am.

Onto the subject of Karma, i do believe that to some extent aswell *was actually having this convo with Doukeshi03 last night* I believe that small things, done in the life before your current one-has some effect on the way you are living now. This is usually where my rant about karma merges with the whole "Soulmate" thing, which im currently thinking about..so im gonna stop before im sat here typing for hours.

But just a small question. Doesnt anyone other than me, ever feel like they're only half of something? Like part of them was lost? *tilts her head*

*sighs* I hate pondering such deep things..after-all im only human..i dont think any of us will ever know the answer to this question. We rarely remember our past lives 9if we have them) Fate has a sense of humour..i swear

And oh yeah! no flaming! I respect ALL your opinions! they are what make us who we are..and if opionions were to suddenly stop...the world would be a very boring place!

^______^

[Bishie]

Oh yeah! and just one quick note. As to the whole "heaven/hell" thing..its whatever people want to belive in, if it brings people comfort..than whatever your boat floats like ne? *raises an eyebrow*

But heres my view. A coin has two sides right? If theres a good..theres a bad. If theres a heaven, theres a hell. But i dont belive there is one set place. Humanity IS heaven and hell. Long around people..i mean REALLY look.

Some people would describe hell as ANYTHING. Men sitting around smoking with business suits..or whatever. Humanity is these things

Im not disrespecting anyone elses view though, we are who we are..are we not?

Personally im reserving judgement on the whole heaven/hell thing..I just want to enjoy my life..because one day i may not have it, i may loose everything. So while im here..im going to do whats in my heart, adn well..if thats wrong. So be it, i refuse to live my life being unhappy because of worry about when we die. Im only human after all, and id much rather have smiles now and pay later..atleast then i can say i *was* happy. The world is too myseterious and large for us to worry about something waaay beyond our comprehention..

whatever happens, happens. But i say this to you all. Grab your happiness while you can. Because like a star..i doubt it lasts long.

[Mitch]

[size=1][font=century gothic][color=gray][b]death [/b] ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dth)
n.
The act of dying; termination of life.
The state of being dead.
The cause of dying: Drugs were the death of him.
A manner of dying: a heroine's death.
often Death A personification of the destroyer of life, usually represented as a skeleton holding a scythe.

Bloodshed; murder.
Execution.
Law. Civil death.
The termination or extinction of something: the death of imperialism.

Afterlife doesn't work in my mind. At all.

When you die you die. There's no getting around it. And death is the [i]end[/i] of something. End. You know what end is, don't you? It's nothing afterwards. Nothing before. Nothing in the middle. Nothing on the side. Nothing to the edge. Nothing to feel. Nothing to care. Nothing to know. Nothing to think.

When something's dead, it doesn't know anything anymore.

[i]It doesn't exist.[/i]

I believe that it's impossible to believe in something until you really see it. Until it's illustrated logically and certainly and percisely in your mind, your body. And physically.

We are such physical entities. We live for our emotions we breathe our emotions and we die for our emotions. We cling onto the ideal that everything will last forever and that everything will be remembered and that everything that begins has an end and that everything goes in some flow. Some rhyme. Some rythm.

Is this itself true?

We live so much for our emotions. We want to be accepted. We want to be known. We want someone to hold onto and hug in our arms. We want someone to kiss and love and make everything that hurts just an illusion. We want to live happy lives. We want to be known in society. We want to be known to something.

God is that something that we hold onto. God is that something that's always there looking at you when you're angry when you're mad when you're sad when you're hurting when you're thinking.

Without emotions there wouldn't be anything. No violence. No hate. No empathy. No love. No anything. Nothing.

It'd be like we were dead.

I don't think it's anyone's place to really believe in God and afterlife and heaven and hell. They can in their mind. In the core of their brain. Under emotional and hopeful places. But deep deep deep deep deep deep, so very [i]deep down[/i], there's a side of everyone. Even those that explicitly say that they believe in God, that they speak God's word. There's doubt. There's denial.

Hope really is a funny thing. It's something that's so unnamed.

Is hope God? Yes, it is in so many ways. Is God hope? Not to me.

When you die you don't breathe. You don't see. You don't know. All we know is that you die and that's all there is to it. How can anyone assume that you go to some imaginary illusion up in the sky, or down in the ground? It's my best guess as anyone's best guess in some ways.

Believe in what you want. Cling on to God and hope and something. It's better than dying alone and cold. It's better because you have emotions. You have memory. You have feeling.

Feeling is strong. It's the hope of emotion.

Believe in what you want. I say when you die it ends. It's as simple and as complex and as pronounced as that.

I don't even want to go to heaven if there is one. No one, in my opinion, would deserve to be there. God forgives. Hope forgives. But blood and wrongs don't oversee the rights. If God's perfect then he knows this. [/size][/font][/color]

[Justin]

Heh, you have a stong faith in chance if you think [i]everything[/i] else is just that. By my experince, there is no chance, there is no luck; only God.

If you don't belive in Him, you'd better know(or hope) you're
right.

-Justin

[Mitch]

[size=1][font=century gothic][color=gray] Same to you, Justin. I don't hope I'm right at all. It's only assumptions, all of this. All I can say is an end is an end. Death is an end. There's nothing afterwards to an end. It doesn't loop into a beginning. Not in my mind.

Hope is a funny thing. I said it before and I'll say it again. I don't believe in hope anymore really. If you think about it, God is a hope.[/size][/font][/color]

[Justin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B][color=crimson]*slays her attack dogs* What if you're wrong? What if religion truely is wrong in every fashion?

Outdated, outmatched, outclassed. Clinging to life as its crimes are revealed.

But alas. The taint of 'holy' is on your skin like acid.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call religion outdated, outmatched or outclassed by any means.

It's not out of date, mankind has just come to think it's better than God. This has happened before according to the Bible...nothing God couldn't solve...nothing He won't.

I don't see where it's outmatched; Though other theories are partially provable, so is the theory of an all-powerful, transcedent God(as He is described in the Bible).

As for outclassed, I put that in the same catagory with outmatched.

As for "clinging to life as it's crimes are revealed"; The crimes of the people and the church in the name of God have nothing to do with god Himself; As I said, men who think they are above God are nothing new. They are nothing that God can't or won't deal with at the time of His choosing.

Many people try to put God in a box. They think He's not there because they've never seen Him act in their lives, or something. Why should God act in your life if you don't give Him reason to?

Many blame God for things...God is blameless. Anything that happens, happens in His divine will, and if you let it, will come out for the greater good.

Many ask why God allows the world to be so corrupt(if you don't think it is, you're blind); The answer to that is that God has given mankind the freedom of choice; but(as with any freedom) it shouldn't be taken advantage of.

I believe there is proof of the existance of God...it's not one I can simply pull from inside me and show you, if I could, I would. However, for those who accept Him, you will be given your proof.

I firmly belive in the existance of both Heaven and Hell. I also have no problem telling you that I fear God. With the human race in such a pitiful state, I find it hard to believe that anyone would be stupid enough not to have some kind of fear of Him.

Forgive my preaching. If your beliefs are not mine, you're, of course, free to believe what you want. My opinions don't reflect the overall opinions of the staff here. However, if you don't share my views, I hope for your sake that you're right and not me.

Anyway, God bless all of you. I thank those who've read.

-Justin

[treton_noir]

where will i go when i die? i agree with marilyn manson on this one. "...in a coffin."

[InuyashaDeamon]

I say that there is a heaven & hell yet there is reincatation(sp?). But the biggest thing is that there is also ghost where they have either too evil for heaven, and Too good for Hell, Leaving them stuck in this plain. Also when some they doesn't wish to leave for some reason they stay in this plain. This what i beleave in at least.

[Bishie]

*thinks* since when did this get to be a religous discussion? *looks curious* nevertheless...im not going into that whole rant again, whatever people believe in is fine with me ^__^

But just one other thought, onto the whole "is there and afterlife" thing.

Did anyone else other than me, wonder if we are nothing but someone elses dream? *twitches* I mean, this person dreaming would have to have one heck of an imagination..but still.

If that WAS the case..its really too scary to think about.

Oh yeah-and on a personal note. I apologise for any bad grammer or missed spelt words in my last post. I was in algebra class and was rushing *chuckles* yare yare, i know i should of been doing my work. But as my dear friend Doukeshi03 says...

Meh...

[Failed_Attempts]

Hmm... interesting thread.

I'm not all that sure what I believe in. I do, however, think that reincarnation is possible. But, when you die,you obviously wont be living, so there is nothing afterwards. Just, rotting in a coffin (or cremated into ashes) just there in complete darkness. You wont feel anything or be anything; but dead.

Reincarnation is a good thing that I like to think of. People that do good for man kind, and don't get recognition for it in this life, will be recognized for something amazing in the next life. I don't know, that's what I think.

What Bishie said intrigues my mind and thought, about living someone else's dream. But, what if you don't believe in that "someone" else. I don't believe in God, so it can't be their dream (I'm not saying it's a guy or a girl, anyway, I don't believe in IT), then who's dream can it be? Is it a dream? Is it real? I don't know, no one does. No one ever WILL know. God, I don't believe in purely because, how can ONE thing make life and Earth? If anyone knows science and theory, then you know of the Big Bang theory. I believe in that theory, stating that the Earth was made from this big "explosion" in space, and it created all the rock and iron core in which the Earth is laid upon. Adaptation too. Humans adapted to this planet, and how to use the air; and evolution from little ameba and single cell organisms. God didn't make Earth, the Earth made itself. We're NOT the only beings in space, I mean c'mon, other beings don't need water like some believe. They adapted to using what sources they have, as we have adapted to using ours.

I *really* hope that made sense, just some random thoughts from the mind of Jessica (me). ^_^;

[Doukeshi]

lot's of interesting discussions going on here. It seems I've started something.

Maybe when you die that's it, there's nothing after it or what, of course I don't know but that's what speculation is all about. Maybe it's pointless and fruitless and we don't know until it happens..but that still doesn't mean that we can't wonder yeah?

Okay so even if you don't believe in religion, do you believe in science? In the possibility of countless other realities parallel to our own? And maybe when we die we trancend that barrier into another reality, hows that for scientific probability.

[Bishie]

*smirks slightly* how about the whole the world is divdided into three dimensions? One is the past, the other two is the future and the present. So..if we die...instead of going to another world..or being born again. We go back or forward in time to one of these other dimensions *raises an eyebrow at Doukeshi03* hows that for a thought? Heh heh..sorry, my day ended well. Just thought i'd add this small idea.

[Doukeshi]

Don't even get me started on the concept of time. It's linear and unable to be effected once it's happened or not happened whatever the case may be, once you knock the domino at the back over you can't go back and right it if you're the domino at the front. I refuse to get anymore in depth otherwise I'll be here all day.

[Decadence]

hey similer to the dream whos not to say that we are the after life? we have both "heaven and hell" here. any ways bout religion (christian manely even though thats what i *am*) well it seems a little harsh/cruel for god to punish some one for an eternity for one life time of mistakes. relitively whats 60-90 years compaired to an etirnity? no way to repent. so reincarnation seems possible and all so does heaven and hell but so does the dream and to each his(or her) own.

who knows i sure dont hey if you beleave in god ok if you are aeithest (i cant spell) hey thats still ok rasta, confusishism, buddism, toaism, jewish, muslim ect (i still cant spell it seems) ok hey we wont know till we die so why does it matter.

and with science (the only one that seems to have solid proof about most things) hey yea that to. ultimate knowige is impossible to gain bout life, death, science ect... the only way to gain it would be to die and be reamimated, and live for 9999999..... years at full mental compasity not forgeting a thing so even science wont have an anser any time soon.

(dont flame me)
(and yes i do beleave in god and i beleave the christ was gods son i just dont have that christain ditude "that if you don't beleave that you not going to heaven" thats just the majority of the feeling i get from realy christian people not thats the only type just most of who ive met)

[Decadence]

ok and to justin (im not flaming you) or any one else who can anser these. theres just a few things that no christian ive ever asked has been able to refute (but then ive only asked the ones who seem to be a little on the fanaticel side)
ok maybe these are questions they are statements but i would like to see them proven wrong (i meen this sincerly)
1. when god gave man free will he created sin. how? he gave man the will to chose his/her own destiny thus giving man the ultimate power even a power that he cannot controll.

2. the bible may be wrong. how? it was written by man, man makes errors eg. noah and the ark, if the earth was covered in salt water (i dont remember how long ago) for a year then everything would have died, all the fields would have been salted and nothing able to grow. then how does the bird find the olive branch? how did noah collect 2 of every animal (i meen every animal as it states in the bible) i meen come on 2 of every bird, insect (thats allmost impossible) mamal. what about fresh water fish? how did they survive the flood it was all salt water.

well thats all for now i may think of more later.

thanks any one who can anser these even just a little bit. anser (offer proof, any thing to prove me wrong)

[Justin]

Heh, so glad you ask those two questions, my friend. :)

God didn't create sin. That's like when people say God created evil if he created everything. No, no, my friend.

Sin=evil.

Evil=the absence of good.

Therefore, evil isn't actually a thing...merely the lack of something else.

It's like hot and cold. There is no such thing as cold, because there is nothing beyond absolute zero. What we call cold is merely the lacking of heat as we percieve it.

It's also like dark and light. There is no dark...just the absence of light. Am I making sense?

As for discrepencies in the Bible; That I can never refute totally. Because they do indeed exist in the English Bible...translation errors, that is to say.

For instance, the Hebrew word for 'red' and the Hebrew word for 'reed' are very similar. Upon examination of the original text, it doesn't say God parted the Red Sea...it says He parted the Sea of Reeds. And there are many great expanses of water between Egypt and Canaan that could fit that discription.

However, all this is in nothing but the details.

Of course, I know translation errors aren't exactly what you're talking about. :)

You're speaking in terms of doctrine and interpreting God's will and such. The original writers of the Bible were designated by God, heard His word, and saw his prophecies. They were diligent followers, chosen exclusively by Him. They made no mistake because they weren't the ones speaking and writing. God spoke and wrote through them.

When it comes to the story of Noah and his ark...you're absolutely correct. If the earth had been completely covered with salt water, nothing would've been able to grow, according the laws of nature.

However, there are many other ways to look at that story:
Many(myself included) believe that the flood might not have been global. Instead, it might have just covered the land in and around which Noah lived. The Scripture neither denies nor confirms this...but it seems more likely.
There is also the possibility that it was merely a miracle from God that everything grew up again. Remember, you cannot put the God of the Bible into a box.

If you'd like to continue these kind of questionings, I ask you do so when you respond to the PM I sent you. This kind of debate doesn't exactly fit this topic, but I welcome it elsewhere.

Thanks for your inquiries; I always enjoy things like that.

-Justin

[Baron Samedi]

personally i am an atheist and dont believe in "God" or stuff like that. i dont know what happens . personally i think it can wait until i die. if that is tomorrownill be pretty annoyed, if it is in 80 years ill be ok with it. but it doesnt matter. ever seince we lived in caves, humans have wanted to believe that something is looking out for them and that Death is not the end. is this just us being wishful or an idea wish is true. does our belief in it make it true or does it make us fools? should we live life to the max and surf the curl or paddle along stoppibng at every shrine on the riverbank, hoping it will pay off. personally, if you have your potatoe everything will be ok. eating your sandwich crusts helps, but over all, if you have a potatoe, then you will be ok. when you meet Death give him my regards and i will see him when it happens, potatoe by my side. so live your life your way and do what you think you should, because this may be it and if their are more chances then they are bonuses. ciaou

[Semjaza]

Death is interesting. It's a place where many athiests question whether or not they were right, even if they hold true to it in every other aspect of their beliefs. There is always this "what if." However, you have religious people on the other end, many of which I also know question their beliefs when it comes to death.

And no, I'm not implying that everyone does it... but a good number do. I'm not Christian, nor am I atheist... so I don't really have a hidden thing to work with here. I could go on forever about what I actually believe in, but it has nothing to do with most of this.

No one knows. How could we? As it was said, you won't know until you are dead. If people knew the truth of the afterlife, there'd be no questioning the existance of a god in the first place. We'd simply know and we'd choose to accept it or not.

Personally, these are things I [i]like[/i] about life. Not knowing things like this is part of it all. It's what makes it interesting and worth going through. To see whether or not what you sided with was really what is the truth.

Death doesn't scare me. If I don't go to Heaven, fine. If I simply just die, decompose in a grave and become a name on some ancestor's family tree school project, I'm fine with that too.

Life is more important than the idea of an afterlife in my opinion. While it would be nice to know, I would never let it affect my decisions on what I do. People shouldn't be nice and charitable because they think it will help them get into Heaven (and man, I know a LOT of people like that), and people shouldn't just be a total *** about things because they think Heaven is a pointless hope for people.

This could be beaten into the ground forever though. I'm sure back in the Roman days many questioned whether or not their belief system made any sense. And back then people thought Zeus turned into a bull and impregnated people. We've sure come a long way I guess heh.

[Dan L]

*quotes a few posts*

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by doukeshi03 [/i]
[B]So, you go to heaven or hell depending on who you believe in? But what happens if you're wrong. What happens that if, after all this time, the god/s you believed in weren't real and you're going to hell for that...it's slightly unfair don't you think? [/B][/QUOTE]

lol. Who are you to judge what's fair and what's not, eh? If God really is there and really is as big as we religious types think, who are humans to decide on what's fair and what's not?

If God created us and we all fall short of [i]perfection[/i], which he asks of us, he has every right to send us all to hell, whether we be Christian, Muslim, Atheist, White, Black, Man, Woman, or what. If God, who asks perfection, were to be completely fair, we'd all be going to hell tomorrow morning.

However there's a little thing called "grace" which means that he doesn't, and that if we accept his grace we don't have to go to hell. That makes me [b]no[/b] better than you, and it doesn't make it fair. It's just the way God is. If you accept his grace you'll be forgiven.

By the way, no, I can't say without any doubt that I'm right on the matter, but [i]if[/i] the God of Israel (yes, he was Israel's God long before ours) really is the truth, then that's his way of doing things. If not then I'm completely wrong, however these are my beliefs.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lalaith Ril [/i]
[B]Like DeathKnight said there is no definite way to know, untill well....you're dead.

I don't know if you think about it the concept is rather interesting. An after life, I don't know.

If you look at Earth everything has been placed there for a reason, and everything is sensible to a means. The thought of an after life is not sensible. It has no definite benifit to anything besides oneself.

If there is an after life I doubt there is such a thing as Heaven and Hell. That is just like any other child's tale (on a different level) making sure we do what is right to a human's standard.

Does that make sense? [/B][/QUOTE]

I love what you said up there "If you look at Earth everything has been placed there for a reason". Tell me this, since when did Evolution have any form of reasoning?

It doesn't. Evolution by principle is a purely random process. It doesn't know where it's going or where it wants to go. There is no plan of action, things just end up where they end up. Things don't fall into place, but they fall where they fall and if it's in a decent place it stays.

The sheer fact that [i]everything[/i] on this planet has a purpose, whether it be the distance from the sun, the rotation speed, the fact that we have water, and a whole load of things we need, could not have come about by evolution alone.

There's far more arguments against non-theistic (atheist) evolution, but I'll go into them if anyone asks.

Now the point is that everything points towards a creator of some sort, some kind of supreme being that follows, and even creates, order and reason in the natural world.

Pretty much every religion which believes in a creator believes in an afterlife or reincarnation of some sort.

Therefore it pretty much follows reason that there is one, if any one of those is right.

If none of them are right then well.. I hope eternal nothingness is appealing to you..

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B][color=crimson]*slays her attack dogs* What if you're wrong? What if religion truely is wrong in every fashion?

Outdated, outmatched, outclassed. Clinging to life as its crimes are revealed.

But alas. The taint of 'holy' is on your skin like acid.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

*gets better, stronger attack dogs*

"outdated, outmatched, outclassed".. right... that sounds so cool and yet so little backing.

Random tough guy phrases don't scare me or waver my beliefs at all. Try harder.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShadO MagE [/i]
[B]1. when god gave man free will he created sin. how? he gave man the will to chose his/her own destiny thus giving man the ultimate power even a power that he cannot controll. [/B][/QUOTE]

In genesis 1, God created the universe. first he created light. He said "let there be light" and there was. Then he seperated it from the darkness and saw that it was good.

But the darkness was already there to begin with.

In the same way, everything that God created was good, but evil, or lack of good, was already in the world to begin with. Thus, God didn't create sin, but he created good, and sin is merely a "lack of good" that we fall into as we separate from God.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][size=1][font=century gothic][color=gray]I believe that it's impossible to believe in something until you really see it. Until it's illustrated logically and certainly and percisely in your mind, your body. And physically.[/size][/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

I've already said this to you before, I think. I have seen it. Not the afterlife, but God. Not with my human eyes, but deep in me, and not in a vision but more as a presence.. one which can't simply be explained by emotions.

And on top of that, I've seen so many different confirmations of my faith through answered prayers, things coming up out of the blue, which I was told about through prophecy, and a huge number of other things.

If you want details I'll give them, but I'm trying to keep this post as short as possible (cos it's really long.. heh)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][size=1][font=century gothic][color=gray]I don't think it's anyone's place to really believe in God and afterlife and heaven and hell. They can in their mind. In the core of their brain. Under emotional and hopeful places. But deep deep deep deep deep deep, so very [i]deep down[/i], there's a side of everyone. Even those that explicitly say that they believe in God, that they speak God's word. There's doubt. There's denial.[/size][/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, there is that doubt. But at the same time, it is overpowered by the sheer number of times that my faith has been affirmed. Everyone has lingering doubts about many things. "should I have done that?", "what if" and that kind of thing. It doesn't make my belief any less though.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][size=1][font=century gothic][color=gray]When you die you don't breathe. You don't see. You don't know. All we know is that you die and that's all there is to it. How can anyone assume that you go to some imaginary illusion up in the sky, or down in the ground? It's my best guess as anyone's best guess in some ways.

Believe in what you want. Cling on to God and hope and something. It's better than dying alone and cold. It's better because you have emotions. You have memory. You have feeling.[/size][/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Mitch, why do you think people even want eternal life?

I have never seen an animal that actually fears death to the point that we do. Yes, they will avoid un-necessary risks that would kill them, but they don't go out of their way to avoid death.

Once one of our cats died. The other licked it's face once, after it diedd, and then left it at that. It didn't mourn, or grieve, or walk about depressively for days on end. Sure, we can never know what animals are thinking, but these things show in body language. You can normally tell if someone or something is upset without even having to ask, especially if they're [i]really[/i] upset.

But humans, we strive to find eternal life, and we fear the nothingness of a death without anything afterwards.

Why on earth would something evolve that way? I mean, nothing wants to die un-necessarily, but what benefit is there to [i]fearing[/i] death, as opposed to simply wanting to avoid it?

You could argue that it makes perfect sense, but then if you're arguing from a "we all evolved and are nothing more than evolved aniumals" point of view then it makes [i]no[/i] sense whatsoever, unless the reason we want to think there is a heaven and hell is because there actually is one, and God wants us to experience it.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][size=1][font=century gothic][color=gray]I don't even want to go to heaven if there is one. No one, in my opinion, would deserve to be there. God forgives. Hope forgives. But blood and wrongs don't oversee the rights. If God's perfect then he knows this.[/size][/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

*refers to earlier point*

Exactly, no-one deserves to go there. You have that sussed. However, God forgives because he created us all, and he doesn't want to see any of his creations perish in eternal hell. Regardless of whether they deserve to or not.

meh.. I can't be bothered to say any more right now. May continue a bit later..

[thewanderer]

hehehe..good ideas, but why don't u ppl read the bible :rolleyes:

[Sara]

[b]hehehe..good ideas, but why don't u ppl read the bible
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[size=1]Boy oh boy...You're really asking for it.

Mitch--How can you not believe in hope? I mean...wow. Hope--It just [i]is.[/i] Even when I'd rather not deal with it, it still flits around. Emily Dickinson, [b]254[/b].

I can't imagine living like that. I don't even think I could call that life, not matter what dictionary you're going by.

I believe in the Christian theology, in a rather vague way. I'm having some troubles with my congregation and trying to figure ou just what I believe, so I don't feel especially qualified to explain about many things. Heaven and Hell.

Yeah..[/size]

[thewanderer]

its all in the way u see things if u believe that well its ur decision that was just my opinion on the afterlife u either go to heaven or hell

[Doukeshi]

I do read the bible, I just choose not to believe in it's teachings. I prefer to make my own comfort zone and not submit to the big ol' dictator in the sky. Fair enough, have your heaven and hell and I'll have my reincarnation...I'll race ya lol.

[TheShinje]

[size=1] I know In my heart God is real is real, after all the spiritual encounters and what the Lord has done to transform my life, I cannot think of anything like it being fake.

-considering I wasn't a full on believer in christ when they happened, I prayed and sung at church, but didn't believe, so I don't think you could just put it down to hype.

Heaven is real I've seen it in my dreams, or at least, part of it, in a dream where Jesus appears in a field that'a djacet to my house and takes me up. I don't care if you think I'm nuts, because, to quote a line semjaza Azazel once had in his signature, In heaven everything is fine (x3) [/b]you have your good thing and I have mine[/b]

However, if you're open to evaluating the idea of God, I suggest you check out the following videos from prophecy analyst Hal Lindsey...

Late great Planet earth, The
battle for Jerusalem, The
Attack on America
Late great 20th Century, The


and these other video titles from other authors

25 messianic signs in Israel today
In the Shadow of babylon
[url=www.jesus-is-lord.com]Jesus Is Lord.com[/url]

Or if you don't have the money to buy the videos, or can't find them, PM me and I'll be happy to discuss them, the most important question you can ask yourself is, is there a God?

"for the fool hath said unto his heart, There is no God"-Isaiah

the last quote is explanitory as to why for some users choose to ignore my call btw.[/size]

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shinji Ikari [/i]
[B][size=1]I know In my heart God is real is real, after all the spiritual encounters and what the Lord has done to transform my life, I cannot think of anything like it being fake.

considering I wasn't a full on believer in christ when they happened, I prayed and sung at church, but didn't believe, so I don't think you could just put it down to hype.

"for the fool hath said unto his heart, There is no God"-Isaiah

the last quote is explanitory as to why for some users choose to ignore my call btw.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh I don't think it's hype, been going on to long for it to be hype.

If you believe in God then fair enough...but I myself really have no wish to convert myself. I don't particularly like the idea, I prefer to go my own way in the way of religious beliefs. I may be a fool, but I have no reason to believe there is a God. Oh now I'm not saying that there isn't something out there, I'm just not saying that it's God in all his powerful, world creating wisdom. They're just stories. To me anyway...hey you don't believe in Vishnu, but who's to say he's not real...hey they could be the same thing. *ponders* now I'm getting myself started...