The Vampire: Ed Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Doom 3 appeared at E3 for the PC, obviously. But even more surprising it appeared for a console system as well, and even more surprising it was the Game Cube. Many people speculated the console version they announced to show off earlier in the day would most likely be an X-Box version, but everyone was sure to get a huge surprise seeing Doom 3 on the Game Cube first. Sadly, the fact that it was debuted on the Game Cube before it was for PS2, and the X-Box was a very small surprise in comparison to what the game looked like in it's current 40% complete state. [center][img]http://superdownloads.ubbi.com.br/imagens/materias/doom3_05t.jpg[/img][img]http://superdownloads.ubbi.com.br/imagens/materias/doom3_08t.jpg[/img][img]http://superdownloads.ubbi.com.br/imagens/materias/doom3_09t.jpg[/img] [b]DOOM 3 for PC[/b] [img]http://www.otakuboards.com/attachment.php?postid=399754[/img] [b]DOOM 3 for Game Cube[/b][/center] As you can see, the incredible visuals apparent in the PC version took a significant hit, but Id programmer, John Carmack, has promised that the core game play experience will remain in tact. The third screen shows an impressive number of enemies on screen at once, obviously to make up for the lack of polygons. John Carmack has also stated that it will feature a 16 player Deathmatch mode for Online gamers to compete against one another. Apparently, this is also a way to try and compete with Halo 2. But there's definitely room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMU Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 My apologies. Incorrect interpretation of your thread. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 [color=#808080]You know the ironic thing here, TVE? I was considering asking you to become a Moderator. I don't even understand the point of posting this. Is it supposed to be [i]funny[/i]? I don't know if you're seriously trying to bash the GameCube or if you are trying to do some kind of funny spin on the anti-Nintendo rehetoric out there. Either way, this is one of the most pointless threads I have ever seen. Not to mention that fact that it demonstrates absolutely zero knowledge about the GameCube hardware (and whether or not the GCN could run Doom III in [i]any[/i] form is pretty irrelevant anyway). I mean, at the very least you could have used this effort to create some sort of legitimate discussion. I have to say...I'm pretty disappointed in you. That's such a shame too, considering that I've always regarded you as a positive member. EDIT: Well, TVE PM'd me and explained the meaning of this thread. It seems that he [i]was[/i] joking, it's just that he chose his wording a bit poorly. But, we all make mistakes. I'm sorry if I overreacted to this thread, but I think my interpretation of it was pretty understandable at first glance. I agreed to reopen this thread so that TVE could continue the discussion.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vampire: Ed Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 All right, as James has said in his edit post, it was meant to be a joke. It wasn't meant to bash the GameCube, and it certainly wasn't supposed to be any sort of Anti-Nintendo rhetoric. It was merely a joke, and a parody about how developers don't take the proper time to take advantage of the GameCube's capabilities when porting games to the system. A prime example of this is Splinter Cell, while I am sure it's still a great game, the loss of certain architecture and lighting is inexcusable. A lot of developers make blurry/muddy texture mapping in games like Medal of Honor when there is no doubt they could have done much better. What are your opinions of crapluster ports like these? Do you think they should take more time and include GBA connectivity features? So, yeah, sorry for the vague post. I was going to elaborate more later. And Emu--they were some personal insults. I can understand getting a bit angry at the implied message but you don't know me like that. It's only video games here. Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desbreko Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B][color=#808080]Is it supposed to be [i]funny[/i]?[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=indigo]Lol, I thought it was. I didn't see it as bashing Nintendo at all, just a simple joke. :cross: But really, is [url=http://otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18002]this[/url] any better? That was posted by Charles, who later became an admin, and it wasn't even closed. I think it's good to have a little joke every now and then, as long as it doesn't get too spammy.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Desbreko [/i] [B][color=indigo]But really, is [url=http://otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18002]this[/url] any better? That was posted by Charles, who later became an admin, and it wasn't even closed. I think it's good to have a little joke every now and then, as long as it doesn't get too spammy.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Gee, thanks Des. -_- You know, I actually [i]wanted[/i] to discuss that game. It was one of the sleeper hits of last year. :worried: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Desbreko [/i] [B][color=indigo] I think it's good to have a little joke every now and then, as long as it doesn't get too spammy.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=#808080]So do I. You are probably the first person I've spoken to who felt that this thread [i]didn't[/i] have an inflammatory intention. lol But that aside, I'm not exactly sure where this discussion can go. As far as Doom III goes, I believe John Carmack said that none of the current generation consoles would be able to handle the game; including Xbox. Having said that, I am not sure that I really believe it. Look at games like Quake II for PlayStation. There were a lot of people saying that you can't replicate Quake II on PlayStation, yet it was done. I don't think it's so much a question of limiting everything until the visuals look horrible. It's more a question of designing the game [i]specifically[/i] with the platform in mind. Although, from my perspective, I'm not so sure that I really care whether or not Doom III is released on consoles. I don't play FPSs all that often and usually a FPS has to be [i]really[/i] good for me to be interested in it. I haven't heard much about Doom III lately, other than a few basic comments. Was this game even playable at E3? I remember last year how it won game of the show, despite the fact that it was nothing but a visual demonstration. I thought that was really a shame. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vampire: Ed Posted May 24, 2003 Author Share Posted May 24, 2003 Well, another point of this topic was also to talk about Doom 3. So people could also talk about the designers apparently not designing games specifically with the platform in mind, as well as Doom 3. My take on Doom 3 is simply that it's all graphics, while underneath it's just the same old game we've seen a thousand times from Id. I think when Doom 3 becomes available on whatever platform it is supposed to be coming out for I think it'll just be the same old game. Anyone else have comments on this, or wish to discuss my opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 [color=#808080]I think that [i]most[/i] first person shooters are "the same old game". First person shooters are games that, in my view, change the least over time. We've seen some really innovative exceptions to the rule (games like System Shock II, Half-Life and maybe even Metroid Prime [yes, I know it's a "FPA", but bear with me lol]) could be included there). But generally, things stay linked to pretty standard conventions. I mean, for one thing...I think Quake is the most overrated franchise amongst FPSs. Quake II was, in particular, a very poor single player game. Yes, it did end up being more multiplayer focused...but the single player game was utterly horrible in my opinion. By the second level, I was bored to death by it. lol And so, I've found that generally I've preferred console FPSs. Games like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are examples. I think that PD was pretty underrated, because people kept comparing it to Goldeneye. But ultimately, PD was a really great game. It was so finely balanced and it had some amazing and unique gameplay. So, I can't wait to see PD2 on Xbox. I really hope that it will be a good departure from the traditional FPSs that pop up all the time. Doom III...I don't know. It does look gorgeous and it is apparently very atmospheric (which I can definitely imagine). But will it be very different? I don't know. I feel like I already know how it will feel to play...but I really don't want to judge it until it's released. I can bet you one thing though. Doom III will receive consistently high ratings, regardless of how good it is. And, like Enter the Matrix, it will sell truckloads...even if it ends up being mediocre. That doesn't mean it [i]will[/i] be bad. But it'll definitely sell well regardless, I can guarantee it. (By the way, shouldn't this be in the PC forum? I know that we're sort of talking about console ports...but Doom III is a PC-only game, afterall).[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMU Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 My apologies TVE, I admit that i did react too harshly, due mainly to the fact that I have encountered a LOT of Nintendo bashing in the past, (a pet hate of mine) so please excuse me if i lashed out angrily. As for Doom 3, I would actually prefer to see it as a PC only game. This would stop a lot of ppl getting all excited about having the only console with Doom 3 on it, even though it has really poor graphics and so on. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krillen Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 I Agree with you, James. There are only a few FPS's that are different from eachother that hold their own unique characteristics. For instance, 007 was one of the first to be a hit. Then came Perfect Dark to take the shelves which was much more innovative then other FPS's. And yes, Metroid Prime was a FPS all in its own. It had many features that other games didnt havem including the Infrared Scan, Night Vision, and the Invisable mode. As well as scanning and recording data. I loved that game. But back to Doom. Heh. Doom was the first FPS I had ever played along with Castle Wolfenstein 3-D. If this is true about Gamecube holding the Doom 3 title, I can't wait to see what they do with it. But just like the rest of you, I hope that they stick the original concept and keep in mind about how the platform will be considered. -Krill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 Firstly, Doom III isn't really coming to GC as of yet. All that's announced is an Xbox port, and last I heard id contracted another team to do that... so I guess a GC version is possible, but I doubt it. GC runs OpenGL I believe, which I heard is what Doom III is based on... so a port wouldn't be all that impossible. It would just have to be scaled back due to RAM limitations... and the fact that GC just can't do some of this stuff the same way (if at all in some cases). I've played the old Doom III demo that leaked, and I'm sure it has come a long way since then. The thing that's rather different about Doom 3 is that it doesn't force you against dozens of monsters at once in a big room, but it also doesn't force you into an RPG stealth style FPS like Deus Ex for example. It's really a lot like Resident Evil in first person. I think that's the best description. And whether or not this is a good game, I don't even care. id is known more for their engines than their actual games, which wind up being liscensed out to many other companies that can really take advantage of it. That's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to this, in addition to the fact that I already know it's rather enjoyable (even at that early stage). Either way, I am sure Half Life 2 will own this 10 times over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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