could it work

[Masked_Man]

ok i know ppl have dif religions

now i would like u to be totally honest when i ask this

for thos who have read the bible and u read of all this stuff that is surpose to happen its pretty scary but i was wondering if we just didnt do some of the stuff that says that is surpose to happen because of that happen that would therefore not bring a end to the world

Does anything think that could happen?

[Justin]

The thing is...we're not going to not to the things that'll set that up.

If you're a Christian and you believe in the Bible, you believe that God is all-knowing. Therefore, at some point, all that is going to happen.

If you want real religious advice, I suggest you ask an actual minister. God makes them ministers for a reason. If you're a true Christian, going to other sources could pollute your perception. Especially if those sources are not other Christians.

I also suggest cleaning up your post quality. It leaves something to be desired.

-Justin

[WW2]

Sure it could work. Just because it was prophecised and written in a book, doesn't mean nothing can stop it from coming true.

I personally don't believe in pre-determined destiny, that everything that happens in our lives was meant to happen. People have free will and can change their futures by changing themselves.

But with the state mankind is in now, I believe we will eventually bring an end to life as we know it.
But if everybody learned to get along and work together to make a better world, then we could change the world from any future catastropies.

I know this sounds like the words of a hopeless idealist, but hey you never know what the future holds.

But thats just my opinion

:D

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]It's weird... my friends and I were talking about this and I thought of it just the other day.

This guy Andy was talking about the Antichrist and he said "The minute that guy shows up and people realize who he is [because obviously it's not going to be hard to figure out], so many people are going to try to assassinate that mother [blankety-blank]."

But the thing is, the Antichrist is [i]supposed[/i] to die so he can be brought back to life, thus "illustrating" his divinity and therefore conquering the world even further as people begin to worship him as a god.

So basically, I don't think it matters what we do because it's going to come about anyway. For all we know, the actions of a person trying to prevent some event may actually be the one to carry it out! We've all seen those types of movies, heheh.[/color]

[Zanarkand Abes]

There is no way to override the prophecies no matter how hard you try. What God says will happen, he will make happen. He created the heavens and the earth, and He can over power us.

[James]

[color=#808080]Well, of course, that's open to your own beliefs as always. ^_^

Still, I think Masked_Man could really have worded his post a lot more effectively. I don't understand a word of it; I only understand what this topic is about based on people's responses.

I'm amazed that any of you actually understood the original post. o_O[/color]

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Masked_Man [/i] (corrected)
[B]ok i know people have different religions

now i would like you to be totally honest when i ask this

for those who have read the bible and you read of all this stuff that is supposed to happen, it's pretty scary. but i was wondering if we just didn't do some of the stuff that it says is supposed to happen because if that happened that would therefore not bring an end to the world

Does anyone think that could happen? [/B][/QUOTE]

Not really. A lot of it is happening today, and has happened already.

Israel is a nation again- it was prophecied.

Israel became a nation overnight- it was prophecied

Israel sends it's fruit all over the world. Not metaphorical "fruit", meaning good things, but real fruit, grown in Israel- it was prophecied

DESPITE the fact that Israel (or Palestine) was a barren, unmanagable land until the Israelis started coming back- it was prophecied

When Israel became a nation, Israelites came from the East and West, and they were eventually (with persuasion) set free from countries north and south- it was prophecied

Israel was scattered and later became a nation once before, then it was scattered again, and became a nation again- it was prophecied LONG before the first time.

And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. If you want verses though, you'll have to wait, because I can't remember them.

The point is, no, we can't stop them from happening.

The main reason being that those who do these things will for the most part have no idea that it was prophecied in the Bible. I don't think I need to tell you that a lot of people don't accept the Bible, or that many that do don't accept the End Times prophecies. Many that do accept both don't know the whole facts about them. So in essence, there are a lot of people who just won't see it coming, and nor will they see it happening, until it already has.

And yeah, it is scary stuff, but there's absolutely nothing we can do to prevent it.

w.r.t. the Antichrist, it will not be painfully obvious to anyone who he is.

For the simple reason that in prophecy, he doesn't simply come down and wreak havoc on the land, but he decieves people into thinking that he is the messiah, and that he is God.

So if you think you'll believe it when some evil guy with horns wreaks havoc on the world, then it's simply not going to happen at all, according to prophecy. Rather, a great number of people will be decieved into worshipping a false God.

Why? because those people will be solely dependant on miracles for their beliefs. They will continue to worship this false God for as long as he keeps on doing great miracles for them and appearing God-like and such.

The lesson in that is not to base your faith on miracles but on a fellowship with God. Miracles are all good and such, but if they're what you depend on then ultimately you won't do very well at resisting the false prophet and the antichrist.

So at the end of the day, you should praise God through the good and bad, stay in fellowship rather than seeking miracles alone, and every time someone performs miracles, make sure he's not just performing miracles but building faith in God as well.

[color=red]][b](note to all: bear in mind this thread [i]is[/i] concerning prophecy in the Christian religion. Therefore I'm not off topic at all, in case you feel compelled to say that. And as always, these are my beliefs and you don't need to follow them)[/b][/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]If you want real religious advice, I suggest you ask an actual minister. God makes them ministers for a reason. If you're a true Christian, going to other sources could pollute your perception. Especially if those sources are not other Christians.[/B][/QUOTE]

I dunno. I'd advise caution in seeking ministers too. For the simple reason that there are a lot of ministers in some denominations that don't believe in various aspects of Christianity, such as the Holy Spirit working today, the resurrection, the authenticity and authority of scripture, and all sorts.

Particularly this is a problem within many Church of England churches (thankfully not mine).

The problem is that there are a great number of ministers who God truly has called into service to strengthen others in their faith. But their are also a great deal who are essentially false teachers of the Christian doctrine, and as a speaker said at our church, these ministers and churches that go against God ultimately will get what they have coming to them. The primary concern for any Christian should be to grow in faith and to spread the Gospel.

Because of the lack of faith in many churches this doesn't happen. It's usually unwise to try and bring life into the church by yourself unless you truly feel called to do it- because only those anointed to that kind of thing generally succeed. But rather, if a church drags down your faith, and is [i]not open[/i], and condemning of ideas that are fundamental doctrine, leave and find somewhere that supports you. In the same way that Jesus said that, when in an unwelcoming town, say "Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you" and leave.



So yeah.

That isn't meant as an argument against you Justin, but rather to say "be careful even of which ministers you approach". Many of them are ordained on paper, but not in spirit.

[Justin]

Well, I more or less meant those whom God has appointed to that position. I kind of forgot that not everyone can see through fakeness like everyone else. So, your point is very valid.

Anyway while, in my personal belief, the things foretold in the Book of Revelation are near...I personally don't think the world is quite ready for them yet. I think the Christian church(while polluted) is still too great an influence in the western world. Many disagree with me, but I think some time must pass yet. Not a long time, mind you, but I don't think it'll happen tomorrow.

However, the evidence that that time [i]is[/i] passing is everywhere. In the past, the majority of Americans have always claimed Christianity...whether they follwed/understood/practiced it or not.

Now, though, those who do not stay in church are becoming more agnostic...not from actual thought and study...but from lack of caring. The nonbeliever may say that this is evidence that Christianity is going the way of the dinosaurs and the Greek gods; I say that this is the icing on the cake, so to speak. The beginning of the world's becoming ready for the end.

I don't know exactly what explainations will be made, though I have my ideas...but if ever you look around and find any of the people you knew to be active Christians(meaning the went to church, read their Bible, testified about Jesus, etc.) are suddenly gone--don't just believe what the world spits at you. Read a Bible, start looking up websites on Christianity, something. Because whenever that day comes...there will be some weird things given as explainations, I think.

You disagree with me? Check out any slightly-unexplained phenomenon in the world today. The sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald, the Bermuda Triangle, the Sphinx...you follow me yet? I hope so.

-Justin

[Lady Macaiodh]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B][color=#808080]Well, of course, that's open to your own beliefs as always. ^_^
[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=darkblue]Well, yeah, but think about it like this. There are two options:

1) The stuff in Revelations (or any prophetic prediction) is wrong, therefore we don't have to worry about it happening anyway.

2) The stuff is true, therefore must be divinely, supernaturally, esoterically, etc. inspired so nothing can stop it.

This is why I think of foretelling the future (psychics and all) as pointless, because if they're legit, you can't change what's going to happen. If you could, they wouldn't have predicted the thing you are trying to change in the first place, but something else entirely, and then you wouldn't try to change it so it would go back to the original prediction, blah blah blah.

Most of you will probably have to read that carefully, heh.

It's more of a scientific than religious question, the way I see it.[/COLOR]

[Masked_Man]

well i have to agree with ww2

a example of something i was talkin about is the false god if we read and it says there will be a false god come than we know the bible will be true and know not to follow him

(ty u all for posting i made this post to get a idea of the ppl that use the otaku boards u all seem very smart)

[Bandit Joeykuba]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dan L [/i]
[B]Not really. A lot of it is happening today, and has happened already.

And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. If you want verses though, you'll have to wait, because I can't remember them.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Some others are:

The world will go into one currencey- Predictied and currently in process. Look at Europe and Euromoney.
The mark of the beast- Predicted but sorta hasn't occured. They already have things to where people may be forced to have a chip placed in your forehead, tooth, etc.

And onto the Antichrist. He will appear noble to all, being a decietful and lying leader. He will come into great power suddenly and unexpectedly. He will have all the qualifications of the Lord Jesus except for a few.

That's all for now.

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]Do any of you realize that you're not even answering the original question?[/color]

[Guest Otaku Acolyte]

First ask yourself when is it not true. What in this life lasts forever and doesnt die or fade away. Everything ends, so logically, everything began. People die. Memories fade. Wounds heal. Life does not stay constant, not one thing in the universe is spared from decay. You can see clearly everything is dying or will die. (by death i mean end) If everything is ending, its likely it will end.

[TheShinje]

[img]http://www.projectfreedom.cng1.com/images/666.jpg[/img]

[size=1] Is this the mark of the Beast? not on our right hand or foreheads, but it could be destined that way.

I have no doubt the Antichrist is coming, and that these are the last days, but to those who worry that the end is coming to fruition too soon, remember that 1000 years is a day unto the Lord.

I believe the end will come when everything is utterly hopeless, when humanity can by itself no longer reign supreme and incontrol, then the Antichrist will come with an answer to it all,

So i believe strongly that it could all work, considering it seems to becoming to fruition *refers the reader to Dan, Justin and Bandit Joeykuba's pots*[/size]

[Guest cloricus]

Shinji Ikari, are you an idiot?
That is just a barcode, built on a scanning system that?s designed to interact with a peripheral connected to a computer and/or database. It does not even make up 666, sure if you counted the lines its pointing to you get [b]a[/b] 6; but not three of them. Six like one to nine are naturally accruing numbers.

Besides, personally I believe that part of the bible dealing with the apocalypse is just there so that it fits the common cult characteristics. Or we just have a ****head of a god.

EDITED:
Dan, I have to say that -
1) Why would god only care and/or prophesize for the Israel and not the other 6 billion on the planet? Maybe ?someone? had an inflated opinion at the time of writing decided that god was only for the Israelis and their country was the only one that mattered?

2) That those things that were ?prophesised? for Israel came at a time when people needed hope that they would get their state back, all the things that you have posted can be explained logically.

Quote | Dan L | Israel became a nation overnight
Well, they were either going to get it back throw war or diplomacy both have instant victories. (Signing of a document or last shot fired to over run a capital.)

Quote | Dan L | Israel sends it's fruit all over the world.
It's called trading, most countries did it then and do it now to make money. You know that thing that buys you food and cloths?

Quote | Dan L | Unmanageable land until the Israelis started coming back
Israelis had money then and they did when the country was given back to them, they can afford crops/flowers/gardens.

Quote | Dan L | Israel was scattered and later became a nation once before, then it was scattered again, and became a nation again- it was prophesied LONG before the first time.
You forgot to mention that this has been happening to the Israelis since they first became a nation, long before it was prophesied. It was inevitable that it would happen again. And may happen in the future.

-eps

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i]
[B][COLOR=darkblue]Well, yeah, but think about it like this. There are two options:

1) The stuff in Revelations (or any prophetic prediction) is wrong, therefore we don't have to worry about it happening anyway.

2) The stuff is true, therefore must be divinely, supernaturally, esoterically, etc. inspired so nothing can stop it.
[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

I like the way you put this.

Logically there are only so many sides of a coin to a situation's outcome. This is one of those black and white issues; no grey in between.

It will happen.

It will not happen.

There is no 'it will half-way happen'. It either will or won't. So, which is it? In probability, coin-tosses have 50/50 results. The same holds true for this issue. The probablility that the prophecies in Revelation will happen is 50%, and chances are 50% that it won't happen. (btw I am speaking from a neutral standpoint, I'm leaving my religious views out) The results of either have been illustrated, the rest is up to the individual as to how they go about living.

[mangagod]

I like the way you think Anna. so every one is your curse so what the whole damned world is cursed.

[DeathKnight]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shinji Ikari [/i]
[B][size=1] Is this the mark of the Beast?[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=crimson]No, that's propaganda, silly.
==--==


It won't happen. Christian's have alot of things coming to them, and fullfilment of one of their nighttime stories isnt one of them. I hope the Government steps in soon with this, otherwise.. i'll have an anuerism.

But of course, if this does occur i'll go down like any other heretic. lol.[/color]

[Subversive]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WW2 [/i]
[B]Sure it could work. Just because it was prophecised and written in a book, doesn't mean nothing can stop it from coming true.

I personally don't believe in pre-determined destiny, that everything that happens in our lives was meant to happen. People have free will and can change their futures by changing themselves.

:D [/B][/QUOTE]

But is it not also possible and all knowing being could know all those decisions before you're ever born? You're still changing your mind, but couldn't he/she/it already know?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shinji Ikari [/i]
[B][size=1] remember that 1000 years is a day unto the Lord.
[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

w3rd. I've said this in many a topic.

[Lady Macaiodh]

[color=darkblue]I think this topic should be changed to "is the Bible true?" because so far only like two people have bothered to answer it right...

*jumps off cliff*[/color]

[treton_noir]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shinji Ikari [/i]
[B][img]http://www.projectfreedom.cng1.com/images/666.jpg[/img]

[size=1] Is this the mark of the Beast? not on our right hand or foreheads, but it could be destined that way.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

does this make you feel better?

[img]http://otakuboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8393[/img]


i [i]know[/i] that what is going to happen concerning the topic will happen, but, maybe just out of fear/anxiety/whatever i cant seem to acknowlegde that it will. i dont think it will be as bad as people think it will. i really doubt that the world will burn down, "the rapture" (...or whatever its called) will go down, or anything huge and traumatic like that. i think it will be a little more calm than that.

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Shinji Ikari, are you an idiot?
That is just a barcode, built on a scanning system that?s designed to interact with a peripheral connected to a computer and/or database. It does not even make up 666, sure if you counted the lines its pointing to you get [b]a[/b] 6; but not three of them. Six like one to nine are naturally accruing numbers. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think the point he was making was that if you look at the three lines that didn't have a number under them, and are lowered down slightly, you get 3 sixes, "666".

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]EDITED:
Dan, I have to say that -
1) Why would god only care and/or prophesize for the Israel and not the other 6 billion on the planet? Maybe ?someone? had an inflated opinion at the time of writing decided that god was only for the Israelis and their country was the only one that mattered?

2) That those things that were ?prophesised? for Israel came at a time when people needed hope that they would get their state back, all the things that you have posted can be explained logically.[/B][/QUOTE]

w.r.t. point 1, god chose Israel as "his nation" back in the days of Abraham. that doesn't make the other nations less important, but rather initially, Israel was [i]the[/i] nation that God worked through, and he would eventually touch all the nations through them (ie. spreading the gospel world wide, which happened too). All that can be found in Genesis.

w.r.t. point 2, yes, the fact that they were prophesied can be explained logically, but not the fact that they [i]actually happened[/i]

Did you know that there's actually a way that historically, nations tend to go?

First they grow into a nation, then they prosper. Prosperity can last for either a long while or for not very long, but after that, they wither and die. No nation is known to defy this general pattern other than the nation of israel, which:

rose up, prospered, withered (driven out by Babylonians),

rose up again, prospered, withered (driven out by romans),

stayed dead for a long time, and then rose up again. Despite the fact that a third of the remnants of the nation were killed in WW2.

Despite being effectively goners, twice in history, they ended up coming back twice.

every religious nation in it's dying moments is bound to "prophesy" that it'll become a nation again, but Israel is the only one to have fulfilled that truly.

Before it was fulfilled, many non-believers refuted the Bible on the basis that israel was dead. Now they say "it was only prophesied to comfort the people" and "it was coincedence". In other words, it doesn't matter how many arguments are defeated, you'll just move on to another one.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Quote | Dan L | Israel became a nation overnight
Well, they were either going to get it back throw war or diplomacy both have instant victories. (Signing of a document or last shot fired to over run a capital.)[/B][/QUOTE]

Bear in mind when this prophecy was made- nations simply didn't become nations that fast back then. And normally they don't now.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Quote | Dan L | Israel sends it's fruit all over the world.
It's called trading, most countries did it then and do it now to make money. You know that thing that buys you food and cloths?[/B][/QUOTE]

You're missing the point. the point is that the land was completely unworkable for a long time *referring to next point* Thus it was not credible for it to be claimed that "the land would bear fruit" again. And a lot of people didn't believe that it would.

The point I'm making isn't whether it's normal or not by TODAY's standards, but rather the fact that it was prophecied [i]despite[/i] sounding incredible at the time, AND it came true.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Quote | Dan L | Unmanageable land until the Israelis started coming back
Israelis had money then and they did when the country was given back to them, they can afford crops/flowers/gardens.[/B][/QUOTE]

When I said "started coming back" I was actually referring to the early 1800s, when they started trckling their way back into Israel, or palestine, and started working the land with help from a few people from other countries, and the land became managable again, [i]despite[/i] the fact that it didn't seem plausible.

The Israelis started coming back long before they were made a nation in 1948.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Quote | Dan L | Israel was scattered and later became a nation once before, then it was scattered again, and became a nation again- it was prophesied LONG before the first time.
You forgot to mention that this has been happening to the Israelis since they first became a nation, long before it was prophesied. It was inevitable that it would happen again. And may happen in the future. [/B][/QUOTE]

*refers to earlier point*

The point is, for a nation to die and come back repeatedly, it just doesn't happen normally, in theory or in history.



and Lady M, yeah, I know most people aren't answering the question any more.. but heh..at least we're kind of on topic, if not to the exact question brought up.. heh



*apologises for any typos that may have come from this dodgy keyboard*

[TheShinje]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i]
[B][color=crimson]No, that's propaganda, silly.
==--==


It won't happen. Christian's have alot of things coming to them, and fullfilment of one of their nighttime stories isnt one of them. I hope the Government steps in soon with this, otherwise.. i'll have an anuerism.

But of course, if this does occur i'll go down like any other heretic. lol.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1] These things are already happening. There is a prophecy that the Roman Empire will be revived for example, this is already happening with the E.U. The groundwork can be seen in your typical UPC barcode THIS IS A THEORY NOT FACT!

The great falling away from christian based society has/is happening.

The groundwork for a united world government of the antichrist is underway.

Israel is a nation again.

So yeah, Anyone who want to discuss this in depth is encouraged to PM me, there is an elaborate plot of prophecy and conspiracy that I can unravelled, person to person, far more easily than long posts detailing the prophecies that are hard to read, at least mine are anyway. You'll find out, if you have a nose for truth that, far from being a fairy tale, The bible is accurate in everything it has prophecised to happen.

I don't like being called an idiot, especially when All I offer is the grace of the lord Jesus, not some "I told you so" rhetoric that you'd have every right to flame me for. [/size]

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by treton_noir [/i]
[B]
i [i]know[/i] that what is going to happen concerning the topic will happen, but, maybe just out of fear/anxiety/whatever i cant seem to acknowlegde that it will. i dont think it will be as bad as people think it will. i really doubt that the world will burn down, "the rapture" (...or whatever its called) will go down, or anything huge and traumatic like that. i think it will be a little more calm than that. [/B][/QUOTE]

You know Daniel and I were talking about the whole Second Coming deal last night. People have been saying that we're the 'chosen generation' and all of that, but it just doesn't seem to be..... I dunno, happening fast enough for the rest of the prophecies to be fulfilled in time--in time for us to still be living anyway. But he pointed out how a lot of things happen without us noticing because of the pace of the world and also because we're so used to, well, the "world". You know what I mean. Anyway, I kinda feel where you're coming from; that perhaps it's not gonna be what it's been made out to be. And think about it this way, all the horrible things are supposed to happen to the evil and unrighteous and all of that. So, while the righteous and obedient etc. are not [i]immune[/i] from bad things happening to them, if we've done what the prophets have told us, then overall, the Second Coming isn't going to be that bad. I think that's why I'm not overly worried myself about the whole deal. I see it as, what's gonna happen is gonna happen, I can't stop it, bring it on, because I'm going to be fine either way it goes.
Hope that made sense.

[Justin]

In my personal belief, our generation will see the prophecies of Revelation come true.

However, as I said earlier, I don't think it will happen tomorrow.

But there again, I'm not God, thankfully. What happens will happen at the time of His choosing and at no other.

The more I think and study, the more I begin the think the sudden disapearance of all the true Christians will be regarded as aliens or something. In fact, I think the world as a whole won't even see it as what it is, because so many [i]won't[/i] be taken up. Once I found it entertaining how many people [i]claim[/i] Christianity, but now I just find it disgusting.

I have more respect for someone who openly defies God than someone who tries to claim it but doesn't live like it.

For Anna: That post kind of was jibbery(no offense meant at all), but from what I can tell, you're saying the Rapture won;t be that bad. In deed it won't...for Christians. As for the rest of the world...I'd hope for God to have a change of heart, if it were worth the energy. I truly hope for the rest of the world to hear God's call, and that's all that can be done.

-Justin