Anime (US/CAN) General thoughts and ratings for .hack//SIGN 13, "Twilight's Eye"

[Shy]

[size=1].hack//SIGN - "Twilight's Eye" - Episode 13 - May 24, 2003

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-Shy[/size]

[AzureWolf]

Very, very interesting. You learn the same thing in the video games, you know: you used to combine multiple characters to create a field, so an immeasurable amount of areas are now inaccessible. This episode appeared to have focused around B.T. and her resourcefulness. Man, she's a jerk, but she's also clever. She probably doesn't have many friends, instead just enemies who are close, haha.

An analysis and the history of "The World." That was very nice. Also, that was really cool where Tsukasa realizes he's NOT the mermaid. Booya! I never agreed with that story relating to Tsukasa in the first place. That ominous voice just wants to keep Tsukasa there! :mad: And what's up with Maha? Man, that cat was SO pissed at the end. Freaky... I thought Maha was cool, but now I think [spoiler]Maha's the same as that ominous voice-or maybe the physical embodiment of it?[/spoiler] Meh, could be, but then that would destroy my [I]other[/I] theory, haha. Well, not really, but it wouldn't make much sense.

This episode relates to the video games so much, so it was pretty cool. I don't know if we can talk about the relations, so I won't bother, haha.

[magic_raditz]

[B]RATING: 8[/B]

after the first 10 or so minutes of this i was worried this just would be another filler episode with little information. Boy was I wrong. This episode really gave out lots of information on the history of "The world" and about how the chaos gates function as well. Then at the ending i was like :eek: ! i have to see the next episode! its gonna be really really good!!!!!!! also for some of you people tsucasa says he is male but bear belives tsucasa in real life is female. My idea is then the real tsucasa may be female, because tsucasa just feels he is male because he is trapped in the game. The problem i have with this idea is that all of tsucasas flashbacks look like tsucasa is male! oh well, i guess only time will tell........

[Zephyr]

[b]Rating: 8/10[/b]

Definately a good episode. Even though it had little action, like the last few episodes, it was a lot more informative. The ending kicked *****, and it was good to finally see what effect a Wave Master's powers had in the world (since it was never mentioned).

That mystery "informant" that Bear talked to was a nice touch too. And I get the feeling that this is not the last time she appears either (just speculation).

[magic_raditz]

black phoenix, I believe that person is in the video games somewhere as well.

[KKC]

Rating: 9/10
I thought it was very good, it had some awesome info! and the ending was so awesome!!
But B.T. is a little jerk, she broke Bear's promise, told Crim he was a cruel Man, and pointed her staff at him like she would hurt him! Grr..... Crim should just chop her head off, but hes too nice.
Maha was really scary, i jumped behind the couch. for once i thought Tsuakasa was nice, usually hes a little pain, but he seemed better in this episode
It didnt have much action, but i read that Crim and Sora have a battle in next weeks episode, so, thats a must see. This episode only had action around the end.
I like how Crim acted smart, that was kinda humorous. I thought over all it was a good episode, but the flash back was a bit odd.

[Kaola Su]

[b]10/10[/b]

[color=CC0033][b]This could possibly be a spoiler, though, at this point in time it is just my thoughts on what is to come!! [/b][/color]

[color=9933FF]Man, that episode blew me away! I thought Tsukasa would never return back to Mimiru and Bear but he overcame that and he did! Also, I am beginning to think that Aura in the show, the little floating girl who never awakens is Tsukasa in the real world and when he gets the key of the twilight and awakens her that is when he will awaken in the real world and be able to log out! But I don't really know! Man B.T. is a real big butt! She is always lying to people and Bear keeps trusting her and it is going to screw things up! Man, Maho was really freaking me out too! I hope he doesn't do anything to Tsukasa. I hope he can now return to Mimiru and Bear again. He is becoming so nice and social now!!! Thats a big turn around for him! I really like the relationship between him and Mimiru. I hope it turns into more than friends. Well, now I know that Bear really did find Tsukasa. I still have not seen evidence that Tsukasa is a girl in real life...as far as everyone says,I think I missed that in episode 12. Dangit! But I am going by what all of you think so I am assuming he is a girl now. Well, I am glad to finally see the power of a wavemaster too! B.T. is very powerful! Man, I wonder where the eye is going to take them!!!??? Man I can't wait until next week's episode!!![/color]

[color=00FF00]Kaola[/color]

[AzureWolf]

[quote]Also, I am beginning to think that Aura in the show, the little floating girl who never awakens is Tsukasa in the real world...[/quote] Hmm... that's sounds like a perfectly nice idea, but when combined with [quote]I really like the relationship between him and Mimiru. I hope it turns into more than friends.[/quote] it sounds like you either want both things to happen :eek: or you can't decide what you think is happening. haha, I'm just pulling your leg. But seriously, which one is it? Is Tsukasa a girl, or are you expecting Mimiru and Tsukasa to become more than friends?

I agree with you about the "He is becoming so nice and social now" part, but that change had a long time coming with all those depressing memories of what happened to the user (the real person who plays as Tsukasa). Relating two scenes: the cat in the alley in real life and the grunty in episode 9 that Tsukasa fails to take care of. As much as Tsukasa appears to be withdrawn and self-absorbed, there's a hidden, selfless nature that seems to be emerging. That grunty episode showed Tsukasa's nobility. Simply put, Tsukasa's user is probably a considerate, anti-social person who had a bad experience with the real world. The [I]Party[/I] episode was packed with character development: we find out that Tsukasa's mother died, and, from real world memories, that Tsukasa's father is a drunk jerk (was he the one asking to pull the plug?!). Obviously, the mother was the only connecting thread for Tsukasa's family. In turn, Tsukasa considers adults to be selfish, and Mimiru challenges whether Tsukasa's own actions are any different.

Tsukasa's searching for happiness: something he couldn't find in the real world (or lost?). What bothers me are the events that happen between Aura in the anime and Aura in the game. If she was part of making Tsukasa happy, then did Tsukasa ever find happiness? Aura has left that place that Tsukasa stays, so whatever that "motherly" voice promised would happen didn't happen, because Aura did not stay with Tsukasa and that ominous voice. [quote]I still have not seen evidence that Tsukasa is a girl in real life...as far as everyone says,I think I missed that in episode 12. [/quote] You probably didn't miss it, but you just had to put two and two together. Like I said before, the Party episode you find out quite a few specific things about Tsukasa's bio. There are very few people in Tsukasa's condition, so what are the chances that two of those few people have a dead mother and a negligent father (and other stuff like Tsukasa's user lives in Japan, but I think you get the idea)? Very slim. That's how Bear said he had no doubt since there's very little chance of so many things would relate to two random people.

Anyway, I have to disagree with your Aura theory as well as your Tsukasa's a girl theory. I've played the games and I've seen Aura awake, so that can't be the case (don't worry, that's not a spoiler since you see her at the very beginning of INFECTION). As for Tsukasa being a girl, as I said for the previous episode thread, the chances of you finidng the wrong person is probably larger than you not knowing what gender you are. How could Tsukasa forget? That doesn't make sense. Also, today, Tsukasa said he was a boy reflexively: he just said it like you would correct someone if they said, "The cows was dead."

Again, these are just my two cents, so you could be right, haha. I'm just saying some things are highly doubtful.

[Kaola Su]

Hmmm, true about Mimiru and Tsukasa thing contridicting the Tsukasa being Aura thing! Man, I didn't think of that! Well, if Tsukasa is a guy in real life THEN I would hope him and Mimiru would be more than friends...but if he is a girl, then I would say I hope I am right about him being Aura! I guess that works.

Kaola

[KKC]

Yeah, that works, I think that Tsukasa is girl because..... well..... (hard to explain) Tsukasa keeps saying he is a guy, but in TV shows and movies and stufff things arnt always what they seem, I think that Tsukasa doesnt remember his real self, so he thinks that he is a guy because his Character is a guy, but in real life Tsukasa's player is a girl....... Im confussing my self now. @_@

[magic_raditz]

however dont you think it would be a little odd to program becoming a female in a virtual reality game where you can feel and hear? Besides any logicial person would be there own gender or else it would be very weird.

[size=1][b][color=darkblue]Please work on your post quality in the future. Most of your posts are very short and difficult to understand. -Shy[/b][/color][/size]

[Solid]

9/10
one of my fav!, the ending was just amazing, and finnaly i got a glimpse of b.t powers as a sorcerer, though i judge after seeing a couple of the next episode i think b.t is more clever than a jerk, but her presistents scares me... i find the history of the world fascinating. the chaos gate was reall cool, and ii rather thought that the voices came from aura (the sleeping character).
anyway, i think this is the beggining of the good episodes of hack//sign, thats what i think after seeing what followed it...

[KKC]

well, I dont think Tsukasa can remember his real life self, Magic Raditz. and sense Tsukasa(the chracter in "the world") is a boy, Tsukasa thinks he is a boy. I think over all he has some kind of Amesia (sp?) but i do think that Tsukasa in real life is a girl. being Aura is a girl and a few other reasons.

[Zephyr]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by magic_raditz [/i]
[B]black phoenix, I believe that person is in the video games somewhere as well. [/B][/QUOTE]


Yeah, I think she is. IIRC, in the ads I have seen for .Hack//Infection they show the characters facing someone that looks just like the "informant" in this episode. I find this strange because in the pictures of that scene (from the game) it looks as if the character are afraid of her (almost as though she were an enemy).

Oh, well. Hopefully the answers will come later in the show.

[Eve]

[B]10/10[/B]
yah i loved that show i just hate the fact that i have to wait tillnext week to see the rest of it and its very weird now cause i can't see who is good,other then Mimiru and Tsukasa,and who is bad...

[AzureWolf]

[quote]ii rather thought that the voices came from aura (the sleeping character).[/quote] Huh? What voices are you talking about? :huh: [quote]well, I dont think Tsukasa can remember his real life self, Magic Raditz. and sense Tsukasa(the chracter in "the world") is a boy, Tsukasa thinks he is a boy. I think over all he has some kind of Amesia (sp?) but i do think that Tsukasa in real life is a girl. being Aura is a girl and a few other reasons.[/quote] haha, why didn't I come to that conclusion? That makes sense. However, when you look back at some of the episodes, Tsukasa only remembers real life things (as well as some other things) when someone says something that might spark a memory. For example, that Japanese station/square (or whatever place Mimuru mentioned and Tsukasa remembered) made Tsukasa think. Mimiru and Bear have mentioned Tsukasa's user's gender more than enough times to make Tsukasa remember, don't you think? Then again, that question never "sparked" a thought as it was just a reflex response. Looks like a stalemate again, haha.

More things to consider about Tsukasa's gender: First off, Tsukasa can't remember much until people start mentioning things that spark memories. He woke up as a boy, so it may be possible that he forgot his gender since he couldn't even remember what he was doing in "The World" (or what he did in "The World" before he woke up). Secondly, when I first saw the ending scene for episode 1, I figured that was Tsukasa since you don't even know about people getting unconscious by just playing a game. Then you find out in episode 2 that Silver Knight is out cold, so since that chronologically happened in the right order, you conclude that the Silver Knight was the slain girl. That's what I've been thinking this whole time. Why? Because the style of presentation throughout .hack//SIGN seems to be that real world events happen at the time of their occurrence unless it is one of Tsukasa's memories. How can being unconscious be a memory? It makes more sense if that was the Silver Knight. Yeah, I know, freaky relation for Subaru, but I figure the user is just one of those obsessed fans. Then again, the Silver Knight's character (as in attitude) is too masculine. [quote]Yeah, I think she is. IIRC, in the ads I have seen for .Hack//Infection they show the characters facing someone that looks just like the "informant" in this episode. I find this strange because in the pictures of that scene (from the game) it looks as if the character are afraid of her (almost as though she were an enemy).

Oh, well. Hopefully the answers will come later in the show.[/quote] :eek: You guys gotta be kidding me... Well, it's not supposed to be a spoiler since you are expected to figure out or know who she is. Alright, since most of you seem to not have played the games, let's look at the scene. Bear's in a dungeon, and he asks for the informant to show herself, and then when she does, he wonders how someone could "teleport" into the middle of a dungeon since a normal character cannot. Hmm... someone who breaks the system rules... sounds like a hacker...

Also, for the games, you aren't really scared of Helba as you are shocked by her arrival and knowledge. She befriends you early in the game, so this isn't a spoiler either.

Lastly, at E3, the plans for .hack//SIGN's DVD release were changed. Please check out the [I].hack//SIGN DVD's[/I] thread for the full scoop.

[KKC]

well, im getting confussed about the Tsukasa Gender stuff. You have to think a lot. and im not sure if im real good at that.
I know the chracter at the end is Helba...... right? But i dont understand how she can warp into a dungeon. I thought she was just a hacker. Or can hackers warp into dungeons? Im so confussed, Helba's out fit scares me.

[Kaola Su]

The thing with Helba is that since she is a hacker she can hack into the dungeons....at least that is what I think. O'well.

Kaola

[Guest bebop23]

The mystery informant evryone is talking about **Spoiler** Her name is Helba. She's the person that Sora has been referring to. She seems to have the same powers as Tsukasa(she gated into the dungeon). And in the video game, she is also very mysterious, you never know if she is and ally or an enemy.

[Solid]

When is the next episode shown in the us'uk (or wherever else you live)...

[AzureWolf]

[quote]well, im getting confussed about the Tsukasa Gender stuff. You have to think a lot. and im not sure if im real good at that[/quote] Haha, I'm sorry. I guess I was overanalyzing. I didn't mean to confuse you. However, after reading over what I said to make sure I didn't do anything wrong or badly (since you said thinking about Tsukasa's gender is confusing), I now believe more than ever that Tsukasa is a girl. Why? Because if you read that one thing I said (haha, quoting myself): [quote]when I first saw the ending scene for episode 1, I figured that was Tsukasa since you don't even know about people getting unconscious by just playing a game. Then you find out in episode 2 that Silver Knight is out cold, so since that chronologically happened in the right order, you conclude that the Silver Knight was the slain girl. That's what I've been thinking this whole time. Why? Because the style of presentation throughout .hack//SIGN seems to be that real world events happen at the time of their occurrence unless it is one of Tsukasa's memories. How can being unconscious be a memory?[/quote] The answer to that question is obvious (can't believe I didn't see it before): it's not a memory, and it doesn't contradict the style of presentation. What I didn't realize before is that you can fall unconscious, but that doesn't mean the medics and police will be there at the same time. Tsukasa falls unconscious at the beginning of episode 1, but no one finds him until the end. As I said before, Silver Knight acts a little too stubborn and tight-:butthead: to be a girl. Tsukasa, on the other, has a much more passable character for a girl. Booya! :smirk: Well, only time will tell if we're right or wrong, haha. [quote]I know the chracter at the end is Helba...... right? But i dont understand how she can warp into a dungeon. I thought she was just a hacker. Or can hackers warp into dungeons? Im so confussed, Helba's out fit scares me.[/quote] A hacker can do anything they want to, if they know how to. There's an old programming statement that I'm going to paraphrase: "You can do anything with programming. The trick is figuring out how." So, yeah, of course Helba could do something that simple. Granted, this is supposed to be the "perfect" OS system, but that's why Helba's a legendary hacker, haha.

[Kaola Su]

I live in the USA and it always comes on Saturday at midnight!!

Kaola

[Hacker Kite]

Rate: 10/10

Anyone here undersand what it is that the Twlight's eye really does in the episode or does that come in the next episode because i never watched Twlights eye in the first go around???
Hacker Kite