kiteS23 Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 So Everone knows, This has some big time spoilers in it. When I was listening to the broken man talk, it sounded like he was referring to Aura as his child. I've played the first two PS2 games and what he said sounded familiar. Anyone who has beat the second game has heard a note that the creator of The World, Harold, wrote. What was said in the game was something like "I must must go for our Aura, but the living flesh poses a hinderance.." So I had my suspisions that the guy was Harold. Well, I was rewatching the second Liminality Dvd, and it actually is Harold. How he got into the world and upside down all crazy like I don't know, but I gaurantee you that guy is Harold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7gR Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Liminality takes place during the games and Sign takes place before the games. What I want to know is how did he get out, how did Emma die, and if Aura was alive who was she. The Broken Man said "I want them to know you once lived".While he was rambling on about Aura. Was Aura a girl who died in real life but Harold created a daughter for The World which would have been a replacement for his daughter. Of course these are all theories and are meer guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteS23 Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 I don't think that Harold ever did get out of the world, At least I haven't seen that he did. On your other theories, I can't really tell you anything, I don't know yet how everything happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureWolf Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Geez, dude, you should be a little bit more considerate! Well, you did warn about spoilers, but you should have double-spaced after the warning or something. Anyway, [quote]When I was listening to the broken man talk, it sounded like he was referring to Aura as his child.[/quote] That's exactly what he was saying, but not the way you are thinking. [quote]Well, I was rewatching the second Liminality Dvd, and it actually is Harold. How he got into the world and upside down all crazy like I don't know, but I gaurantee you that guy is Harold.[/quote] haha, yeah, it's really obvious if you've played the games. That was a shocker. However, I kind of disagree with what you are saying here. I'll elaborate later. [quote]Liminality takes place during the games and Sign takes place before the games.[/quote] Common misconception. Be sure to note that the Liminality OAV takes place [I]around the same time[/I] as the game occurs. In other words, it doesn't have to be at the same time, as we see with MUTATION and LIMINALITY: In the Case of Yuki Aikhara (sp?). For INFECTION, LIMINALITY occurs after you meet Mia and Elk. For MUTATION, LIMINALITY occurs immediately after the end of the game. [quote]The Broken Man said "I want them to know you once lived".While he was rambling on about Aura. Was Aura a girl who died in real life but Harold created a daughter for The World which would have been a replacement for his daughter.[/quote] Minor clarification: Harald Hyuek didn't have a daughter (we know this because of LIMINALITY). His mention of Aura being his daughter is similar to a person creating something magnificent and calling it his child. I'm going to put in my two cents, but not until I put up my analysis on the Epitaph of Twilight. Haha, I'm getting around to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7gR Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Sorry for that not to mistake anyone the line he said was "I wanted proof you were alive but I failed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7gR Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 POSSIBLE SPOILERS Sorry for that not to mistake anyone the line he said was "I wanted proof you were alive but I failed." Also he appears in the first Liminality he's the guy that says its not over... not yet. He was over Emma Weiland's grave.He also said that he wanted someone to protecet her or something "I love you. I wanted to create my feelings into tangible. I wanted proof you were alive, my beloved. But I failed. I was mistaken. I sent the message when I found out." I failed as a father. She is my...our hope. In her lies our dreams. Look after her. I put my trust in you. I wasn't enough. Forgive me, beloved" Tsukasa flashes to The Sleeping Girl, and tells the Broken Man "He found it." For one brief moment, clarity enters his eyes and he smiles. Then it's gone. So that is why I think Aura is his daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimmFang Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Possible spoiler's I don't know but could it be possible that Aura is the Key of the Twilight? I was just wondering because Harald said Tsukasa already has the key. Also I noticed that braclet looking thing inside Tsukasa's guardian. I got me wondering if that is the braclet that Kite get's in the game series. These are just some things that I thought about one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7gR Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 If you notice in the Theme thing at the beginning the ring thing gets a part to itself so maybe it is the Bracelet of the Twilight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKC Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 I dont think Aura is the almighty "key of the twilight" The Key of the twilight is a legendary item, not a person. Even if it is just a legend, i highly doubt that she is the the key of the twilight. Asides, Tsukasa would be very powerful if Aura was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimmFang Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 [quote]I dont think Aura is the almighty "key of the twilight" The Key of the twilight is a legendary item, not a person. Even if it is just a legend, i highly doubt that she is the the key of the twilight. Asides, Tsukasa would be very powerful if Aura was.[/quote] Yeah your probably right. I just keep wondering what Aura's importants is since the anime and the game seem to revolve around her so much. It's very interesting. I guess I will just have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 well, i think you guys have noticed it but as you know me i justlike to add the correct spoilers answers... so again this is spoiler: aura mentions herself as "The world" itself, the world is her and she is the world, a sort of key of the twilight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureWolf Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Yo, Solid, your spoilers are bogus! I know you watched all of the .hack//SIGN episodes (or so you say :therock: ), but what you said doesn't match-up at all with the .hack video games. So, what's up? Are you just pulling everyone's leg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 azure before you throw any thing at me, first read the post in the "castle" thread about dark aura being the voice, and now i quate from episode 25: Sora "obachan, who are you?" voice (dark aura by my pov) "I AM the world". you can either believe me or not, but know that i aint pulling anyones leg, cause i hate lying and lyers, i actually find i offending that you consider that im lying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7gR Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 POSSIBLE SPOILERS If you notice when you open a Ryu Book in the games it says Key to the Twilight.The Key to the Twilight is most likely Kite's bracelet or A.K.A Bracelet of The Twilight. It goes against all the rules of the game Data Drain and Gate Hacking.Also it may not be the Bracelet it might be the book Which Aura gave to Orca and then ?Inserted? into Kite.STUPID GAMES!!! Leave you hanging all the time the 3rd game better give alot more info! Do the Moderators do thosse Blackout things wheere they cover up spoilers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavyblade Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 I agree with KKC aura is definitley NOT the key of the Twilight. And remember I think the broken man might have the key of the twilight. Because when They were about to leave Harold's chamber Tsukasa said "wait,I think I found it." so this is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKC Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Nah, I dont think he is the Key of the Twilight, but I think the freaky noise had something to do with the Key of the Twilight, but im not sure because everytime the noise cam something odd happened. I mean, when Bear died the sound rang before he fell. But im not for sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7gR Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 I've watched the case of Yuki Aihara and haave found no proof that he has died. Or has no children. Unless you can read Japanese. Can someone tell me where it says he's dead and has no children? Has anyone noticed aanything strange about the girl that helps Yukichin.The first two times she sees here you hear another strange sound. Like the 2nd gate noise thing in the castle episode! Also she knows about Yuki's cellphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKC Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Who the heck is Yuki? What are you talking about? Im so confussed. Please explain more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makai Kite Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 They're talking about the second Liminality OAV that comes with .hack//MUTATION. Yuki Aihara is the heroine of that OAV. I haven't watched it yet, because I read it's a better idea to watch it after you're done with the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteS23 Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 I think I have an idea as to who the lady was who helped yuki, but it's only a guess. I think that her personality and voice seem very similar to Helba's. PLus, if she is Helba's player, that would explain why she knows about the stuff like Pluto's Kiss and Yuki's problems in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7gR Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 I've noticed somehing in .hack//Mutation.The Broken Man may still be in Bitter Fantasy Mirror World.Look around in first person view where you're near the Dungeon look up. You will see a strange bridge adorned with candles on the bottom just like the dungeon there I thought maybe it was decoration.It wasn't though,none of the other bridges have another passageway when you go look for the end of that bridge it''s just a wall. But this one looks strange. It has an opening in the door.I think we may return to Bitter Fantasy Mirror World via Helba's Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureWolf Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 [quote]azure before you throw any thing at me, first read the post in the "castle" thread about dark aura being the voice, and now i quate from episode 25: Sora "obachan, who are you?" voice (dark aura by my pov) "I AM the world". you can either believe me or not, but know that i aint pulling anyones leg, cause i hate lying and lyers, i actually find i offending that you consider that im lying...[/quote] I'm sorry if I offended you, but your "Aura theory" is so unaligned with the video game story that I thought you were doing it on purpose. I'd rather not read anything beyond "quote from chapter 24," as that's too far of a spoiler (ah!!! My eyes! Spoilers overwhelming!) :) ... Anyway, this text proves my point perfectly. So, you believe there are two different Aura's. Even that doesn't work. At the end of .hack//MUTATION, Aura's still in fragments (yeah, the name of the prototype for "The World" was "Fragment" ;) ). Here you are, with the System Administrator, [B]Helba[/B], and Balmung: the big movers and shakers of "The World." And, while a new part of "The Wave" appears, Helba simply says, "It seems that she doesn't care for us anymore more." Kite asks, "Her?" Helba's reply, "The World." Personally, it would have been a bigger cliffhanger if she said "Aura," don't you think? Especially with the fact that Kite questions his own actions at the end. Lastly, a good and bad Aura: don't you think they should have similar abilities? Or else you can't call them both Aura. Your "Evil Aura" is simply some powerful entity in "The World," or a significant constiuent of it. [quote]POSSIBLE SPOILERS If you notice when you open a Ryu Book in the games it says Key to the Twilight.The Key to the Twilight is most likely Kite's bracelet or A.K.A Bracelet of The Twilight. It goes against all the rules of the game Data Drain and Gate Hacking.Also it may not be the Bracelet it might be the book Which Aura gave to Orca and then ?Inserted? into Kite.STUPID GAMES!!! Leave you hanging all the time the 3rd game better give alot more info! Do the Moderators do thosse Blackout things wheere they cover up spoilers?[/quote] I still think Aura's the Key of the Twilight. Why would Skeith still be chasing her if you are the one with the Bracelet? I personally think she's the solution or vaccine to whatever has infected "The World," or that ominous voice thanks to Solid's spoilers, haha. That's what I believe the Key of the Twilight is, even if it isn't Aura. It'll probably open-up Harald Hyuek's true vision for "The World," or "Twilight." It is the key to open Twilight, afterall. Wonder what Twilight is, though... Anyway, that's just my guess. Oh, and all you have to do to cover-up spoilers is [ spoiler ] SPOILER IN HERE [ /spoiler ], just without the spaces. [quote]I've watched the case of Yuki Aihara and haave found no proof that he has died. Or has no children. Unless you can read Japanese. Can someone tell me where it says he's dead and has no children? Has anyone noticed aanything strange about the girl that helps Yukichin.The first two times she sees here you hear another strange sound. Like the 2nd gate noise thing in the castle episode! Also she knows about Yuki's cellphone.[/quote] Well, I'm sorry that I said Harald has no daughter. I should have said it was STRONGLY implied that Harald has no remaining family. Even Emma Wieland has no familial relation with Harald (besides, if they were husband and wife, they would have the same last name, haha). Anyway, near the beginning, just before everything goes awry, Mia just found a bio file on Harald Hyuek. She's reading it, and leaves after reading the words, "The Epitaph of Twilight." At the end, when that dude who wears a pink shirt (what's up with that?) finally reaches Yuki, the communication of all parties involved occurs. It's been an entire day, and Mia wasn't just sitting around waiting. She's been researching, as per pink shirt guy's request. The only thing Mia found in Harald's bio that was worth following was "The Epitaph of Twilight," which really didn't help since the LIMINALITY characters don't know anything about that. Obviously, when pink guy thinks outloud, "The Epitaph of Twilight? What is that?" It sparks Yuki's attention, and she asks Kyo. Anyway, that's the only lead they got from Harald's bio, and thanks to Yuki and Kyo, that may be everything they need... Anyway, the point is, don't you think that Harald having any family ties (such as a daughter) would be a really good lead? Mia and pink guy don't even know what The Epitaph is! And don't worry, the creators have said that OUTBREAK (part 3) is the climax of not only the .hack games, but of Project .hack! [quote]I think I have an idea as to who the lady was who helped yuki, but it's only a guess. I think that her personality and voice seem very similar to Helba's. PLus, if she is Helba's player, that would explain why she knows about the stuff like Pluto's Kiss and Yuki's problems in the world.[/quote] Haha, that's what I thought too! However, after watching all of the .hack game movies again, I'm of the opinion that Helba's user is a man. That would be the hacker thing to do: disguise as another gender to throw people off. That would be brilliant, haha! Yeah, Helba and that lady have the same voice actor, but I don't think they are the same person. Besides, didn't the lady say she doesn't use the computer that much? I don't know what's up with the enigmatic lady, but I don't think her secret is that she's Helba.... Hmm... She's smart (also technology smart) and resourceful, and she doesn't use the computer that often. Is there anyone we know who matches that description? :confused: Again, all of my conclusions are just my best guess. I could be completely wrong, haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 thnx azure, i dont know some thing since i havnt watched legends of the twilight and the OAV, i find your point very interesting and i just opened a thread considering that voice... well i now understand that its not Aura or dark aura, but what is it than, is it a hacker like helba or something, or a data on the world itself... it makes it more confusing than it was before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T man Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 I belive he is the creator of the key of the twilight. When bear talks about the e-mail the broken man says he is the one who sent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteS23 Posted June 16, 2003 Author Share Posted June 16, 2003 I don't think that it was the broken man who sent the email. I think that it was the real Harold, and he was knida testing them to see if they could get to his recorded message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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