Mods too strict...

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B] I personally have no care if you or others miss it?s meaning, I will not be explaining it.

Other than that, have fun being unhappy.

-eps- [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#335062]I think you owe Semjaza an apology, personally. You've done the same thing with me in the past and it's not only aggrivating, but I think it's downright disrespectful.

I urge you to [i]read through[/i] Semjaza's last post in its entirety.

Rather than posting some highly vague response and not really answering [i]any[/i] of his points, you might want to do a point-by-point response. Or at least, actually read what he is saying and respond directly to his post.

Semjaza has gone to great effort to fully explain what he meant. But you have shown absolutely no understanding of his post whatsoever, you're just kind of going ahead with pointless, vague, somewhat unrelated ramblings. I feel that if you're going to hold a discussion, you should be respectful enough to respond directly to what is being said to you.

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[Hittokiri Zero]

[quote]But there was a mod running around editing people's posts making them look dumb etc. Would your rather have a mod like that or a mod like the ones we have today???[/quote]

That has nothing to do with being strict. That is all about making choices.

[quote]Junnagou was banned for flamming and causing fighting, now you would think that someone who was banned would stay banned wouldn't you? Well he didn't, he came back under the name of Kazuma K...[/quote]

And that's what IP banning is for :P.


[quote]So you see the mods, super mods, Admin, and James work very hard to keep OB clean from rude people like that...[/quote]

Amen to that. You do, do a good job at what you do, but *I think* it can still be improved upon.

[quote]And another thing, the people that were banned because of bad grammar were banned for specific reasons, one being the fact that some of them were just too young and their post quality wouldn't change for the time being...[/quote]

Your right in the fact, that I'd say about what 90% of the time the banning for grammar can be understood and is correct. But now how do you define "too young" and how do you know their post quality won't change -_o. There are some people who are not as aquainted with the computer as you and I. Whether it be because they choose not to go on or just cannot, as long as what as said can be understood aside from a warning nothing else should occur.

[quote]I seem to remember seeing your posts when you first joined etc. Some of it was rather.. How shall I word this. Obnoxious, bullheaded, no wait my favorite! Noobish. You had the tendency to fly off at the mouth during some discussions in the gundam forum.[/quote]

It's "n00bish" -_-'. Graphic n00bs can't comprehend why we spell it like that...

But anyway i'm glad you brought that up, but then if you think about it my posting style has changed but a little so that is a irrelevant comment.

The only reason I recieve a tiny bit more respect than I did before is because I have been here for a while. Mods just need to show a little more leniency towards newbies, they act as if they are going to destroy the whole world -_-. Also expressing dissaproval or distaste about something such as a certain T.V. Series, food, etc. Should not be considered flaming, so what if someone "flames" a inanimate object/thing -_o as long as it's not a person it should be tolerated.

It's also quite funny how what I always say is always taken in a bad way ^_^, now there's nothing wrong with being "too" strict and sure OB can function the way it is. The whole point of me posting is to give you a different spin on things and to try to get across to you all that OB can be better.

[Domon]

Yes I'll agree that your posting has drastically changed from 1-2 sentence posts to very well thought out posts and I appluad that. But I still stick by my guns saying OB is good the way it is. Sorry if I sounded to harsh. I was just giving some examples of how OB is good.

[Charles]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Quote | PoisonTongue -
In the few months that I've been browsing OtakuBoards, I haven't seen anything to suggest unfair treatment. Criticizing James and Charles is unfounded. -

That sentence is illogical. You say that you have had no experience with either James or Charles yet you say to some one who has been here a lot longer and has seen the things that the mods have done and you call them wrong. I hardly think that you are being fair.

(Hows that for smashing newbie?s! But seriously, don't just jump up and defend some one without knowing the background. I learnt that the hard way. *Glares at James* :p)[/B][/QUOTE]

Just because he's a fairly new member here, doesn't mean that he hasn't browsed through the forums. I've given him links to threads I've wanted him to take a look at [i]numerous[/i] times before he signed up.

And he didn't say that he has no experience with me. The fact that he actually [i]knows[/i] me on a personal level (and he mentioned that), means that he has more experience with me than almost anyone on here.

Moving on, I'm not going to jump on Mnemolth's case for his opinon on staff strictness. He's entitled to his opinion. That's why this thread was created. Everyone isn't expected to [i]love[/i] how this place is run.

I only take exception to the fact that he's so open to criticize without taking into account how the administration has always allowed his opinions, and even accommodated him with his RPW threads. Didn't he private message James for persmission? Oh, and if I remember correctly, Mnemolth is the one who started throwing a fit like a little girl and bashing the membership and administration when it began to die out.

Get a clue, man. What do you think is going to happen to an RPG like that when you hold it during school months? lol

I thought your comments were unfair to everyone at the time, but I didn't say anything because I'm not some kind of ego maniac who doesn't allow people to their opinions.

My observations of you, tell me that you're a guy who takes a messageboard [i]way[/i] too seriously and tries to pass lackluster opinions off with more metaphors than you can shake a stick at, and then when older members like James, Tony, or myself catch you, you try to back out.

What kind of mature adult compares homosexuality to bestiality, for example? If I went up to a homosexual guy on the streets and said that, I wouldn't get away with it just because I winked at him. He would probably punch me in the face. Your comments and reasons for making them lead me to believe that you don't know how to behave yourself and deal with people.

Perhaps you should do some more research before coming down on others. The reasoning behind the closure of evolution threads has been drawn out in detail--even in the suggestions forum. Did you miss that, kiddo?

Another thing that should be pointed out, is that I think you underestimate the intelligence of teens. I've said this on a few occasions to people. The only difference between young people and adults is awareness of the world. Teens and young adults are just as knowledgeable in technology, sex, and balancing responsibility as many adults. You shouldn't underestimate the power of younger people and think that their concepts of maturity are somehow different from yours. The fact that you post on a message board aimed at gaming and anime--and have made friends here--proves that these people are capable of being your equal.

The fact that we're even willing to sit here and explain ourselves on a personal level shows that we're more than fair. I mean, we don't [i]have[/i] to do this for anyone.

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-eps

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hittokiri Zero [/i]
[B]
The only reason I recieve a tiny bit more respect than I did before is because I have been here for a while. Mods just need to show a little more leniency towards newbies, they act as if they are going to destroy the whole world -_-. Also expressing dissaproval or distaste about something such as a certain T.V. Series, food, etc. Should not be considered flaming, so what if someone "flames" a inanimate object/thing -_o as long as it's not a person it should be tolerated.

[/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#335062]Two things to bring up about this part of your post.

First, we do [i]not[/i] act as though newbies are going to destroy the world. If anything, we tend to encourage newbies. I think you'll find that most of our staff are not the ones enhancing the whole "newbie stigma". Your use of the term "n00bish" or whatever it was, is [i]actually[/i] the stigmatizing that you're accusing us of.

Secondly, we do not consider the expression of disapproval in something flaming. I'm guessing that you didn't read my comments about that. So, I'll repeat them again.

It's perfectly fine to express disapproval over something. It's part of regular discussion. [i]However[/i], as with anything on OtakuBoards, it's the way you present your point of view that matters.

Let's say I dislike Toonami and I want to talk about it.

The wrong thing to do is to make a thread where I say "I hate Toonami! All they ever do is censor stuff and it sucks!"

The right way to do it is maybe to say something like "I personally don't like Toonami for these reasons (whatever reasons you want to include). But, I'd like to start a dicussion about this. What does everybody else think about Toonami? And what suggestions would you make to improve it?"

That's just an example, but it illustrates my point.[/color]

[Alexa]

[size=1]I don't suck up to anyone here either, but some people are [i]so[/i] ungrateful. Mods and admins are what keep these boards going. Those who deserve to be banned are and topics that deserve to be locked are. Okay, I admit some mods are strict, maybe they get their little heads inflated with their authority here, but without them, the OBs would be ending up prolly like these boards. [url]http://hhhq.hyperboards.com/[/url] (I am not advertising sites, this is an example).

About the newbie/oldies relations, that's just crap. I admit, people get respected more if they were here longer. A living expample that it doesnt matter, is a while back, when Raiha, a peep who was here for ages, posted a thread about leaving or something. It got locked, as it wouldhave depite if it was started by someone who posted here 3 times, or 3000. Everyone started off as a newbie, but grew into something more. Even if people think that a [b]particular[/b] mod is too strict, talk to them by pm or something, and youre bound to get feedback or whatever.[/size]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Charles[/i]
[B]
Another thing that should be pointed out, is that I think you underestimate the intelligence of teens. I've said this on a few occasions to people. The only difference between young people and adults is awareness of the world. Teens and young adults are just as knowledgeable in technology, sex, and balancing responsibility as many adults. You shouldn't underestimate the power of younger people and think that their concepts of maturity are somehow different from yours. The fact that you post on a message board aimed at gaming and anime--and have made friends here--proves that these people are capable of being your equal.[/quote][/b]
[size=1]That is so true, people should never be underestimated because of theri status.

Pffffft. I've been rambling too long.[/size]

[Deedlit]

[color=009966]If the mods here are too strict, then why am I still here? Gosh, I spammed so much in my first month on OB that it's not even funny..... o_0[/color]

[Shinmaru]

Trust me when I say this; the mods here could be way stricter if they felt like it. If they were, I certainly wouldn't be here (because I've already made two stupid threads and made some comments that made no sense at all).

It seems that the majority of the people here have no real problems with the mods (though, I could be wrong; after all, this is just one thread and certainly, not everyone on OB has posted in it). I know I don't.

[Semjaza]

Cloricus - I admit to being somewhat annoyed... but the last post line was just a joke. Sorry about that. I have no hard feelings at this point anymore agaisnt you or anyone else lol. We've gotten into stupid little debates here before and gone on with our lives and had no problems. It's no different now.

I get the meaning of your one post. It isn't exactly complex. However, I spent a lot of time trying to explain all of that, and you simply dismissed it in two lines with no real explanation as to why... when you had a simple one sentence post that really added nothing.

So I apologize for being sarcastic or whatever else, but in a sense I do believe I was in the right when I wrote all of that.

Really, it doesn't even matter in the end I guess. After this dies down everything will be back to how it usually is and everyone will go back to their areas. Just like with that bizarre Newbie Lounge thread.

[SaiyanPrincessX]

I don't feel that the mods are too strict atall. I'm glad they inforce the rules as they do. I keep coming back because this place is so friendly and spam free. [I]Every[/I] other forum I've gone too has spam, wheather its alot or a little its still there and the mods don't do anything about it. Kudos to the OB mods for their service.

[Vicky]

Meh...
I think sometimes they can go over, but there ok. If they banned people for grammer, I won't be on the OB. Trust, my grammer is bad! A lot of people will agree. But, meh. There ok. But like you said, banning for grammer? That is stupid. You can't ban people because of that, what about if there younger then the other people here?

I think the mod's help the newbies a bit. But some post that are do are just plain...ummm, breaking the rules....

[James]

[color=#335062]We ban people if their grammar/spelling/etc is poor and if they [i]make no attempt to improve it[/i]. That's the key qualifier, I think.

If your posting is so horrible that nobody can read it, you'll probably get banned pretty quickly.

But, some members improve a great deal. Vicky, your posts have improved noticeably since you started here. We didn't ban you right away, obviously. And you're not banned now. So certainly, I don't think we're overzealous when it comes to grammar and such.[/color]

[IcyBunny]

I used to post here a lot, I havent in a real long time because some of the "restraints" around here.. I never used profanity, and I had a mod in no certain words tell me to "rethink" my way of thinking. IMHO boards are for everyone, with diffrenent views, and different ways of expressing them. Long as there is no profanity.. Let them be... if you cant think along those lines, I really dont think you deserve to be a mod. So I dont think its an issue of strictness... but of a God complex.

[Domon]

Well some mods will ask you to "rethink" your post because it was either totally vauge for them or anyone else to read, or it was maybe a one sentence post (which I doubt because of your above post), or some other reason. Really I wouldn't take offense to it, they are just looking out for everyone, I mean would you rather have someone howling down your throat saying "Clean this up you stupid nOOb." or someone like this. "Could you please change your post content it was rather vague." Personally I'd go with choice B rather than choice A because Choice A is more likely to run off members rather then encourage them to post and have a good time.

[Break]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Domon [/i]
[B]Really I wouldn't take offense to it, they are just looking out for everyone, I mean would you rather have someone howling down your throat saying "Clean this up you stupid nOOb." or someone like this. "Could you please change your post content it was rather vague." [/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1][color=CC0000]I do admit to taking out option A against people, very rarely though, this is only if some idiot doesn't listen the first few times or is just very very stupid.

And, IcyBunny, there are no "restraints" here, they're called rules. They're those things that are meant to stop this kinda thing happening: [URL=http://hhhq.hyperboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1054397349]God help their souls..[/URL] [/size][/color]

[Semjaza]

Icybunny... are you referring to that old Sheryl Crow post? You said nothing about anything other than it being "poo". I'd have to say anyone would be in the right if they asked you to come up with a little more to say than that... but whatever. You took a lot more offense over it than I think anyone should have, or even would have in most cases.

Also, considering the fact that Adam pays for this place and keeps it ad free and running smoothly... I don't blame anyone for wanting to keep this place cleaned up. The more crap that litters it, the more he'd probably have to pay. I'd certainly want something I was paying for kept under control... otherwise we get a board like Break posted. And that's probably one of the better ones for this target audience lol.

[Shinmaru]

See, people? These are why there are mods here; to keep that kind of stuff from going on. My eyes hurt from trying to make out that crazy text...people can be really weird sometimes...

[Domon]

DEAR GOD!!! ITS AN OUTBREAK OF ACCUTE STUPIDITY!!!! LOL. Sorry, I'm sorry but looking at that just made me laugh so hard I have to catch my breath. But yeah see boards like that don't thrive, they die like infected plants, at first it starts off okay and then about a week later it dies off. So that's why I think all of the staff members do an exceptionally great job, they keep this place running smoothly etc.

P.S. Thus those boards displayed have shown the true power of stupidity.

[Justin]

Moderators suck, really. They're all Nazis. Hail Führer!

But really, we're not that bad. Like all people, one of us will be in a bad mood from time to time, and sometimes that shows in our posts, but most of us are as good as anyone you could hope for.

-Justin

[Transtic Nerve]

I remember back in the day when OB had Mods that didn't do anything. Unfortunantly none of you who are complaining about strictness ever saw that, so you really have no idea why we are what we are and how we act the way we act. I would personally never want to see what happened back in the day happen again. It was chaos, absolute chaos, and it hurt my brain to be witness to it.

After James laid his fist of fury (lol, little joke there) down upon the peons of OB, we changed. We changed alot. So much, one could look at V.1 or early V.2 back in the UBB days and see a complete opposite way of life. The mods didn't do their job then. Sometimes you know, there's a price to fun and freedom.

This makes me bring up another question. If we are too strict, what do we do that is too strict? Do we ruin your fun? What exatly is it that we do wrong, cause just being "too strict" really doesn't sya a whole lot. Thats like saying "that car goes fast"... well how fast? What kind of engine, how much HP, hat kind of car is it?... It's a very vague complaint and really nothing much can be done with a very vague complaint. Some of you have provided specific examples but most of us come here every day, several hours a day. We look at several hundred topics a day or week or whatever. One topic does not represent a mod in a whole. You make it seem like an epidemic of mod abusal going on here, yet fail to provide any sort of sustancial evidence supporting your theory.

I personally don't think the other mods are too strict at all. I may be, but thats me, and quite frankly, I've had my moments. Not ashamed of any of them. You probably haven't seen much of that TN is the last month or so. Probably won't again either. Unless it's absolutely nessisary. But yeah, I really don't see any problem with the mods here at all. Not any of them. Well maybe that Piro guy and that Justin guy lol j/k :p

[Shy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i]
[B]This post was brought to you by whoever awarded me the best 'spar-rer'. You know who you are. And yes, its ALL YOUR FAULT! ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
[size=1]Eh, I don't know how it is my fault. But whatever, this thread is too confusing for me to deal with right now..[/size]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hittokiri Zero [/i]
[B]The mods are definatly too strict -_o. They are not jackasses but they are too strict. OB is the only forum where I have seen people get banned and what not for bad grammer, now that's telling you something considering I have been at many forums... I think that the mod has to be more lax when it comes to grammer and what not as long as you can understand what the post says who cares if there is improper use of grammer. And if you are to ban someone because of grammer just make it a temporary ban or something -____o. And even though I understand what the mods are doing by closing some threads there are times in which I think there taking things to the extreme... Eh basically look at this thread --->

[url]http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25124[/url]

Right done reading it o_O?... That was in no way flaming, that's just starting a debate. As long as he's not directing any insults at an individual posting he ---or anyone--- for matter of fact should be able to post something like that. :P...

So basically if it's possible OB needs to be more open-minded, let someone post something "bad" about a individual series, it could start a good debate.

(btw i'm not picking on Shy or anything, I just don't belive that, that particular thread needed to be closed o_o.)

Other than that -_o... I guess the mods aren't half bad, OBs a nice place because you don't have the massive flame wars and true spam that you get over at XF x__X. [/B][/QUOTE]
[size=1]Eh, eveyrone shouldn't have jumped to my defense about this particular thread. This thread wasn't direct flaming, but we have had a million Gundam Wing threads before, and I honestly can do without this sort of random bashing. I'm not the biggest DBZ fan in the world, so I very rarely ever post there. I would never go through the time to write a "Why I hate DBZ" thread because it is a complete waste. The anime forums are filled with younger members who cannot tell the difference betweem critcizing and flaming, so I really don't see the point in pushing my views upon them. This particular thread was not trying to create a discussion, as James pointed out, and I completely stand by my decision to close it.

In the future, please PM me about these matters though.[/size]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]Moderators suck, really. They're all Nazis. Hail Führer![/B][/QUOTE]
[size=1]Yeah, we are. But you weren't supposed ot tell everyone about our little secret. Now James is oging to have to punish you.

-Shy[/size]

[XeEmO]

All they really do is make sure people are following the rules. So really wouldn't the question be are the rules too strict? I would say no, because there are plenty of forums out there with less rules that are just filled up with spam.

[Mnemolth]

Oh the joys of a lively debate!

In honour of Sem's post, I'll cease with the smilies for this post.

This is going to be a long post because I'm going to cover a lot of material. Please don't whinge to me about the length of the post, I am trying to make it as short as possible. Also please don't respond unless you've read the whole post (yes, I know its long and I apologise for that). You don't need to cover each point I make, but you should certainly read the whole post.

On the positive side, you'll probably learn more about me in the following post than many of you have ever done (or might want to). So if you want to know about me, read the post.


~~~*~~~

I've read pretty much this entire thread, skip the last couple of pages though. People have been saying lots of things so I'm going to narrow down my responses basically to those people who have been responding to my post, namely Sem, TN, James and Charles.

[b]Sem[/b]

First off with Sem. Excellent post! I'm talking about the first one. Relatively short but well thought out. A bit on the angry side but you were passionate about your opinion. A few good insights. I particularly love the 'messiah' complex point. All your points were pretty reasonable, and can be drawn from my posts.

Of course, I don't agree with them, though I'm sure you would not expect me to. I certainly don't think I wax Shakespeare in my posts. There's really no point in confusing people to the extent that they agree with you only because they don't want to look dumb. People that self-conscious are hardly the reliable friends you would want to have by your side.

As for sly and hidden insults, really come on! This is just the universal self-deprecating humour you find amongst anyone who doesn't take themselves too seriously. Like when I question your 'normality' as a 20-yr old. You could have come back with something akin to "Look whose talking" Or something. Its just some repartee. At times, the posts may be sharp but its always jovial and completely devoid of malice.

And you also mention me with my constant quibbles about the management of OB. Maybe you can do a search but I'm fairly confident I haven't being saying much about how this Board is run at all for many a month now. If I have made any remarks it would have been on boards in general. Certainly not OB in particular.

I will, however, admit to thinking many 'teenagers' on anime boards online are rather ignorant. But that's not to say that I hold that against them. Nor is it to say that I think [i]too[/i] much about myself. The fact is I have enough letters after my name to almost spell half the alphabet. And these didn't come from academia alone, they also include various internationally recognised professional qualifications. I also attend the national university of my country and serve as one of the 'Mentors' for the first year uni students (normally around 18-19 yrs old), y'know, to show them the ropes, help them out, the usual stuff that Mentors do at unis everywhere. I didn't bring all this up to compare d*ck sizes. I brought this up to show you where I'm from, and that I probably have a different scale to work with when I speak of 'intelligence', or even 'maturity'.

Of course this could all be a big fat lie, and Charles may be right and I'm just some nerd who has no life whatsoever to speak of, and has probably never even been laid.


[b]TN[/b]

The wink is meant to suggest it is a joke, but I find jokes are not all just 'HAHA' affairs. Some are amusing because they are poignant. I think it would be more accurate to say that the wink or smiley is there to show that no malice is involved. Now, again, of course if you don't believe that, well then that's entirely up to you.

I have no problem with you saying what you want to say. Except if you are targeting someone, and you do it with malice. Which seems to be the case on more than one ocassion. Its your intent that I have a problem with. Your intent, sometimes, doesn't seem to be to warn the member, or close a thread where appropriate, it seems to be to insult, demean, and humiliate as far as possible, within your role as moderator. And that, in my opinion, is just not on.


[b]James[/b]

Dealing with your first response only.

Its good. Certainly an improvement on some of the things you posted during the NL thing. I think you've given good explanations for why you do what you do. I think its also commendable that you haven't just looked at my post and throw your hands up and just started throwing things at me.

In regard to your point about me creating an "us vs. them" scenario, I highly doubt that's the case. There are VERY FEW people 'with' me. Certainly, in terms of my criticisms of you and Charles, I don't see anyone 'with' me at all on this thread. So if I'm trying to set that up, I'm doing a very, VERY bad job of it.

In regard to adults and teeangers, see above comments to Sem.

In regard to staff making mistakes, you say you're the first to admit that Mods and Admins make mistakes. That you guys aren't perfect. But you know something? I've never seen you apologise. Now, honestly, you may have and I might have missed it since I stay pretty much in Otaku Public, but no. I haven't seen it. Of course, you can do that privately, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about an unreserved public admission, a mea culpa.

For example, say you closed a thread, and you subsequently reconsider. Well, firstly, I don't see you reconsider much, you almost always stake your position and dig in. But, for the sake of argument, let's say you reconsider and decide that perhaps you were too hasty. I've never seen you reopen a thread with a post explaining JUST THAT in it.

This gives the impression, ar least to me, that you never think you're wrong. At least not enough to reverse a previous decision.

The other problem is that when you toss in your opinion in the same post as closing a thread, especially a controversial one, you give the impression that you want the last word. And to me, that has ego written all over it. What I'm saying is, if you want to close a thread, then do it, but don't add to the debate with your own views because no one can then respond publicly, no one can rebutt your points, and so it creates an unfavourable impression that you have the last word (not about the thread being open or close, that's your prerogative, but about the debate/discussion/argument itself).


[b]Charles[/b]

Well, what can I say to a post like that? This one needs quoting.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Charles [/i]
[B]....Moving on, I'm not going to jump on Mnemolth's case for his opinon on staff strictness. He's entitled to his opinion. That's why this thread was created. Everyone isn't expected to [i]love[/i] how this place is run.

I only take exception to the fact that he's so open to criticize without taking into account how the administration has always allowed his opinions, and even accommodated him with his RPW threads. Didn't he private message James for persmission? Oh, and if I remember correctly, Mnemolth is the one who started throwing a fit like a little girl and bashing the membership and administration when it began to die out.

Get a clue, man. What do you think is going to happen to an RPG like that when you hold it during school months? lol

I thought your comments were unfair to everyone at the time, but I didn't say anything because I'm not some kind of ego maniac who doesn't allow people to their opinions.

My observations of you, tell me that you're a guy who takes a messageboard [i]way[/i] too seriously and tries to pass lackluster opinions off with more metaphors than you can shake a stick at, and then when older members like James, Tony, or myself catch you, you try to back out.

What kind of mature adult compares homosexuality to bestiality, for example? If I went up to a homosexual guy on the streets and said that, I wouldn't get away with it just because I winked at him. He would probably punch me in the face. Your comments and reasons for making them lead me to believe that you don't know how to behave yourself and deal with people.

Perhaps you should do some more research before coming down on others. The reasoning behind the closure of evolution threads has been drawn out in detail--even in the suggestions forum. Did you miss that, kiddo?

Another thing that should be pointed out, is that I think you underestimate the intelligence of teens. I've said this on a few occasions to people. The only difference between young people and adults is awareness of the world. Teens and young adults are just as knowledgeable in technology, sex, and balancing responsibility as many adults. You shouldn't underestimate the power of younger people and think that their concepts of maturity are somehow different from yours. The fact that you post on a message board aimed at gaming and anime--and have made friends here--proves that these people are capable of being your equal.

The fact that we're even willing to sit here and explain ourselves on a personal level shows that we're more than fair. I mean, we don't [i]have[/i] to do this for anyone.

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Now, I would like someone to please explain to me how you can find Charles a nice, reasonable and fair person to deal with when you put his post, next to mine (see second page), and then compare them.

You start well enough by saying you don't wanna jump on me. Of course then you go and lay it on thick. "..started throwing a fit like a little girl..", "...Get a clue, man...", etc, etc...

I don't know when I admonish the administration for the failure of my RPW thing. Nor the members. Unless you mean the membership of RPW. I can see how a member of RPW can interprete it that way, but I don't see that I've said anything against the membership of OB or against the administration. Here's the thread, maybe someone can tell me what the heck you mean.

[url]http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21237&perpage=15&pagenumber=2[/url]

I mentioned something about "kids" but as Sem points out I do that all the time. I know for a fact that Juutheena didn't like what I said one little bit, but I did apologise for any offense that may have been taken.

I don't think I chucked a hissy fit. I think it was more a case of me conveying my disappointment, in the first post and in the second long one, trying to 'rally-the-troops', as it were. Only I was trying to be as honest as possible. If you think that's a hissy fit then *shrugs*...I am a little girl and I throw tantrums.

And what was wrong with asking James for permission to do multiple threads again? Unless you mean the very fact that he allowed me to do it shows that he isn't too strict. I don't find that a very convincing argument in and of itself.

What kind of mature adult compares homosexuality to bestiality, for example? I think one of your Congressman did that. I should add here that I did dismiss it in the same post that I brought it up. And I have discussed this with gay friends of mine. Believe it or not, I'm probably closer to more gay people IRL than you or TN. I talk about sexuality politics all the time with some of my more political gay friends. And also I might add some feminist friends too. I've never been hit in the face. They have some idea about where I'm coming from. They're knowledgeable, they read alot and they're familiar with the main arguments that crop up. We discussed these things all the time. Or at least we did, until I moved cities. I used to live in the city with probably the greatest concentration of gay people in the southern hemisphere. I know their community, and I know their politics. And of course I know the laws that govern affect them and their lives.

As for my behaviour and dealing with people, I've been in teams at university, and I've led teams at university. I've been in teams at work in the private sector and I've led teams. I was Team Leader of a group of 10 people, their ages ranging from 20s to 40s. We won Best Team of the Month for Feb 2000. This is no small little company I'm talking about, this is a multinational, multi-billion dollar telecommunications corporation. I was also once an employee of probably the best known software company in the world. Working with law enforcement, I dealt with customs and police officers as well as executives of small to middle-sized companies (ie between 25 to 500 employees). I dealt mainly with the MD/CEO and IT managers.

I also happen to have about 3 yrs of senior high school tutoring experience, both on an individual basis and in groups (for Maths, English and Law). And of course, as I've mentioned to Sem, I'm currently a 'Mentor' for first year university students at a national university.

And you're telling me I have trouble handling myself or dealing with other people??

I mean, of course, its pretty easy for me to make all this up, so if you think its all hogwash, then sure, I'm probably that guy in your pic.

But if you happen to believe me, then the real question is "How the heck did you get it so wrong?"

-- this paragraph has been edited out after taking into account comments made by Lady Asphyxia (no, she was not the person/s I was referring to) --

The difference between your post and Sem's post is that while Sem was angry, he was not offensive for its own sake. He was a bit strong but that was due to his indignation. You, on the other hand, are simply malicious. You set out to cut me down, and then to point and laugh.

Although both of you have pretty negative things to say about me, Sem kept his eye on the ball and so was fair. His intent was not to offend but to make his arguments or points. Intentions are important. To me, they are probably one of the most important things when judging posts or people in general.

To me if a post hurts someone, then that is bad. But if a post sets out to hurt or offend, even if it doesn't end up achieving its aim, its worse. That's what I think of your post.

I cannot honestly understand how anyone can line up your post with my post early on, and come to the conclusion that you're a nice, rational and reasonable person. It seems, at least to me, the chip is firmly on your shoulder, not mine.


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When we speak of 'maturity' we ought not to use it as another form of discriminatory elitism.

I'm on this Board because I want to be. I made the comments I did because although this Board works well, there is room for improvement. I critique the management because I have a different vision, and also because I happen to think they're not perfect.

Am I perfect? Heck, no. Am I more perfect than those I criticize? I have no idea. I've never run a Board. But I have been online for the better part of a decade. My first Bulletin Board was one of those dial-up affairs, long before WWW MessageBoards such as vBulletin. And you know, having been on many, many boards, and having seen many, many, many administrators and moderators work, I think its fair to say I have a little understanding of what I speak.

You have to also understand, I see things from my perspective. You may see things differently from you perspective. Just because you're right doesn't mean I'm wrong. Its always good to learn, and to learn one has to understand, and a very good way to understand is by seeing through other peoples' eyes.

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*Starts clawing at Charles* (You know why!) (Charles read ->[spoiler][url=http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25065]here[/url] it's the eighth one just under James. Now isn't that nice of me?[/spoiler]:p)

Okay let?s get this over with.
[b]James[/b] I said my part very early on in this thread, you can go and find it if you want. It's not a bad read either if I remember correctly. Now my post was to defend Mnemolth, not to debate the topic because I've already stated my opinion. You know why I didn't want to debate it? Because of this damn infighting, every time. I'm amazed that yourself, TN and to a small extent Charles are getting into this.

I'm not going to continue and I [b]don't[/b] want my name said in this thread again if it be critical or in reply to this. Period.

Some of you really are immature.

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[Juu]

[color=ff00cc] [size=1]Well sure, you should be able to post your opinion, but it's not as simple as putting down everything that comes to mind. I mean, when you make your point, you should still be somewhat careful about whether or not people may take offense to it. Even if it is a joke, it can still offend people, and some people might not even see it as a joke. Especially when it deals with personal issues. You never know.

Though, I don't like all the references to newbies in this thread. Quite a few members here have a very high post count, but their posts are very hard to understand. I've seen quite a few newbies around the boards with great post quality, even better than some of the older members here.

I really don't think physical age matters when it comes to maturity, and it gets really annoying when people make reference to that. [/color] [/size]