Mods too strict...

[Semjaza]

Hrm. Well this is going into a bizarre spiral heh.

On a messageboard, I think at times it is hard to tell what is truly meant and what isn't. In the case of Mnemolth, I have personally noticed (and some others have said this to me as well), that there is this condescending attitude. That nearly everyone here isn't up to the same intelligence level. And yeah, it's true... but eh lol.

If it is [i]always[/i] a joke, I don't know... You're making it sound as such, so I'll just take it that way and be done with it. But seriously, I don't really get the point of it. I know when I make posts of that sort, I personally mean most of what I say. No winky smiles and :p faces will change that. That's me though.

Either way, I understand your side and I'll drop it. I am glad you responded to my stuff in the way you did at the very least. More than a good deal of people would bother doing and I appreciate that. I wasn't trying to be insulting and I'm glad you saw through it to what my real points were. At least you seem to know where I was coming from, and I have better understanding of where you are coming from as well. Even if you didn't actually answer one thing I asked.

And Cloricus... I don't know what you're even going on about anymore. You brought yourself into this, no one else did. If you're going to make useless and accusatory comments towards me and others and not back them up, that's your problem.

Nothing you have said has really addressed [i]anything[/i] that is being discussed in here at all. Sometimes I really get the picture that you just want to show up the people in charge here so you can look like you won something. I've seen you do it to James especially, and you've tried it with me in the past. I'm sure others could come up with more examples as well.

And honestly, you expect to be able to say things about or towards people and get [i]no[/i] response? I don't understand that. You want to get your punches in without receiving one back. It makes no sense. Considering all that and then some, I find your immaturity comment a bit ironic...

Whatever though. I have no real problem with you. We agree to disagree, and whatever else happens happens. I'm done with it heh.

I'm not a confrontational person. I'm very patient. I could be going off about this crap all the time if I really wanted to... but I think a lot of this is worth discussing to at least get the various sides and see why people even do some of this nonsense here.

[Guest cloricus]

[u][i][b]I was not debating.[/b][/i][/u] All I was doing was calling you a hypocrite and that you were out of place insulting Mnemolth two times in a row on the thread devoted to people opinions of Mods. (Though I do withdraw calling your second post crap.)

Now can you please leave me out of this? Or is that too hard for you?

-eps-

[Domon]

Um Semjaza isn't a hypocrite, he's just stating the facts. And right there you did what Sem just said, you threw your punch in and now here comes one back. Mnemolth took the risk of getting his butt chewed out and you really shouldn't be sticking up for him. Because if he says he's mature enough he should be able to take a few hits to his ego. So really you shouldn't even be sticking up for him.

[Semjaza]

Enough is enough I'd say. Let's just get off Cloricus and whoever else and talk about the problems people have here with the mods.

Anything I wanted to know was taken care of and Cloricus and I are on some level of understanding now haha. I think a lot of it was more misunderstandings than anything, but it no longer matters.

If you hate me, please PM me :)

[Makai Kite]

Um... *stares at thread for a moment* Wow... this has really heated up.

Anyway, I don't think the mods are too strict. They're just doing their jobs and keeping the boards clean and free of jerks that ruin everyone else's enjoyment of the board (and people who make no effort to improve their posts so that people can understand them). From what I've seen on this forum, they've done a smashingly good job.

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I hate it when someone just HAS to point out the Anime Lounge. The Anime Lounge is FULL of newbies, so I try not to be too harsh in there. YES, it needs a lot of work, and YES I work on it all the time. ALONE. No one helps. I do all the work in there. If you see a problem, please report it. You don't know how helpful that would be.

Being a mod is stressful and sometimes you have to make hard decisions. And sometimes we get frustrated. But you must remember, we are just people, too.[/color][/size]

[Brasil]

In reference to Mnemolth's disappointing rebuttal, I say the following:

"Dude, does it just suck being you?
There's a word for your entire post. It's called ********. ******** because you go on and on about what a great person you think you are. Hell, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I believe you.
Now, after giving you the benefit of the doubt and being kind enough to acknowledge your post, I ask you: ?if you're such a well-rounded person, and apparently so wonderful and such a stellar human being, why are you getting so pissy on an online web forum??
I see no maturity at all in anything you just wrote. I see a pissy, whimpering, weak, little man trying to make himself big.
You claim that you don't throw hissy fits--dude, your entire response was one big hissy fit.
I read the entire damn thing.
I want my 15 min back.
I could've been doing productive stuff, like writing an epic.
And you requested that whoever wishes to respond to this drivel, needs to read your entire post? Are you that pompous, too?
I think, you need to get off your Woody Allen wannabe ***, grow some hair on your chest, get the squeak out of your voice, and get rid of that annoying ?holier than thou? attitude the pervades your nonsense responses, then come back and see me. Then I know I'll treat you like an equal and not like some pompous Simpsonian reject."

Now, Cloricus...yeah just to annoy him, I'm going to mention his name. (oh, the horror! The world is going to end; I mentioned your name!)
There's a way we all can forget about you. You can get banned. Would you like that? Maybe that's what you've been hoping for all along, then you'd have more to ***** and moan about, right? Maybe then you could fully convince yourself that all the Mods on Otaku are evil, right? Out of the respect for the others browsing OtakuBoards, I will refrain from using the obscenities that I would normally direct toward you, but I do bite my thumb at you.

EDIT: -esp-

[Guest cloricus]

PoisonTongue your post is disgusting. I don't want people like you [i]ever[/i] talking to me and I will be complaining if you do in the same way above.

-eps-

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I forgot something that I didn't add to my first post. I hate how people complain about the mods. This is most user friendly board I've ever been on. And because of this place, I'm spoiled. I can't stand any other forums because they are so full of spam and pointlessness. I don't know where I would be without the OtakuBoards...[/color][/size]

[Mnemolth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PoisonTongue [/i]
[B]"Dude, does it just suck being you?
There's a word for your entire post. It's called ********. ******** because you go on and on about what a great person you think you are. Hell, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I believe you.
Now, after giving you the benefit of the doubt and being kind enough to acknowledge your post, I ask you: ?if you're such a well-rounded person, and apparently so wonderful and such a stellar human being, why are you getting so pissy on an online web forum??
I see no maturity at all in anything you just wrote. I see a pissy, whimpering, weak, little man trying to make himself big.
You claim that you don't throw hissy fits--dude, your entire response was one big hissy fit.
I read the entire damn thing.
I want my 15 min back.
I could've been doing productive stuff, like writing an epic.
And you requested that whoever wishes to respond to this drivel, needs to read your entire post? Are you that pompous, too?
I think, you need to get off your Woody Allen wannabe ***, grow some hair on your chest, get the squeak out of your voice, and get rid of that annoying ?holier than thou? attitude the pervades your nonsense responses, then come back and see me. Then I know I'll treat you like an equal and not like some pompous Simpsonian reject."
[/B][/QUOTE]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You really really [i]really[/i] wanted me to bite didn't you? :D

Good effort, but I'm afraid I'm a little bit too big for you dude. Why don't you turn around and tag your tag-team partner, I'm sure he is dying to jump into the ring to have his spiel. :)

[Domon]

Personally Cloricus and Mnemolth I agree with Poision Tongue. First of Mnemolth you ARE a pompus, self-centered, egtoistical jerk who thinks the world owes him a favor on a sliver platter and you have the right to look down your nose at everyone else. And that you can say whatever the hell you want towards everyone. You do have a "holier than thou." attitude and personally its revolting. You either need to drop the attitude or just leave and do us all a favor. And those damn smilies are annoying, is that why you do that? Just to annoy the hell out of people?

And Cloricus how is Poison Tounge disgusting?? Answer me that. Personally he just stated the facts of how you two have been acting on OB. And really why report him when your past posts on this thread are just stupid, immature, and purely sarcasm. I mean honestly, get off your damn high horse and face reality.

[Luminaire]

This is truly a sad day. I came back to OB with high hopes of finding kindness and the first thread I enter has a four page argument! What is wrong with you people? Can't you take this somewhere else? Otakuboards is meant to share kind words and information, to talk with friends, to have fun. Didn't you consider that your behavior affects others at the boards? If you want to argue, do it on AIM or in PMs. Some of us do not want to see your cruel words between each other written out. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything.

Personally, I have no problem with the mods. I have never found them to be too strict or too easy going. They get their job done and they do it in a polite manner.

~Lumi~ :)

[Shaun]

Funny how you don't see this sort of thing too often. Could it be because most of the people here are happy with the way things are? Hmm....

[Guest cloricus]

Domon I agree, I have edit my above post. Though I'd like to inform you that my posts have been sorted out as was stated in sems last post. PoisonTongue was out of line saying what he did, it also could have been said without obscenities.

I think that this whole thing should be stopped, if you wish to continue please use aim, msn, or pm. I don't believe that any of the people in the original argument will continue because it was settled away from the boards so that really leaves other people reading and commenting. Thank you. (I was in the original argument?)

Edit:
Welcome back Luminaire. :p Don't worry this is just something blown out of proportion.

-eps-

[Charles]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i][b]
Now, I would like someone to please explain to me how you can find Charles a nice, reasonable and fair person to deal with when you put his post, next to mine (see second page), and then compare them.

You start well enough by saying you don't wanna jump on me. Of course then you go and lay it on thick. "..started throwing a fit like a little girl..", "...Get a clue, man...", etc, etc...[/b][/quote]

I said that I wouldn't hold your opinion against you when it comes to moderator strictness--and I didn't. C'mon, open your eyes. My post was "just the universal self-deprecating humor you find amongst anyone who doesn't take themselves too seriously." :D ;) :D ;)

Basically, what I addressed, was the jab you took at the site's administration as it applies to our decision making process. It's one thing to hold a baseless opinion; anyone can do that, I'm afraid. But, it's another to hold an informed opinion. Your post contained more of the former than the latter: Half-truths that hold little ground in the context of this discussion. I don't think that all of your points were related to moderator strictness.

The fact that you of all people, someone who constantly reminds us of your age and all the sage-like wisdom that it implies, should call anyone egocentric is almost funny. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

[quote][b]I don't know when I admonish the administration for the failure of my RPW thing. Nor the members. Unless you mean the membership of RPW. I can see how a member of RPW can interpret it that way, but I don't see that I've said anything against the membership of OB or against the administration. Here's the thread, maybe someone can tell me what the heck you mean.

[url]http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21237&perpage=15&pagenumber=2[/url]

I mentioned something about "kids" but as Sem points out I do that all the time. I know for a fact that Juutheena didn't like what I said one little bit, but I did apologise for any offense that may have been taken.

I don't think I chucked a hissy fit. I think it was more a case of me conveying my disappointment, in the first post and in the second long one, trying to 'rally-the-troops', as it were. Only I was trying to be as honest as possible. If you think that's a hissy fit then *shrugs*...I am a little girl and I throw tantrums.

And what was wrong with asking James for permission to do multiple threads again? Unless you mean the very fact that he allowed me to do it shows that he isn't too strict. I don't find that a very convincing argument in and of itself.[/b][/quote]

I'll tell you what the heck I mean:

[QUOTE][i][b]From Mnemolth Posts 2003[/i] Well I tried demmit!! I built a whole freaking website and everything....not my fault people on this Board don't seem to be appreciative.

I do have another, perhaps more palatable idea for OB, but I dunno whether I'll get that going now. I'm somewhat concerned about the administration of this Board, and also the appetite of its members for anything more substantial than little glib comments in posts.[/b][/quote]

Maybe this was your brand of sarcastic humor again--but it seemed like whining to me. Other people put a great deal of effort into their RPGs and they don't attack their own participants or board members when their little project fails. Your RPG enjoyed a fairly lengthy run; yet you still had negative things to say about the site's administration after James had, in fact, allowed you to post it in the first place. I don't get your logic there.

Speaking of James--I'm sure that he can handle his own against what you had to say. But before you accuse one of my colleagues of being unable to bend on his decisions, you should at least know what you're talking about.

[quote][b]In regard to staff making mistakes, you say you're the first to admit that Mods and Admins make mistakes. That you guys aren't perfect. But you know something? I've never seen you apologise. Now, honestly, you may have and I might have missed it since I stay pretty much in Otaku Public, but no. I haven't seen it. Of course, you can do that privately, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about an unreserved public admission, a mea culpa.

For example, say you closed a thread, and you subsequently reconsider. Well, firstly, I don't see you reconsider much, you almost always stake your position and dig in. But, for the sake of argument, let's say you reconsider and decide that perhaps you were too hasty. I've never seen you reopen a thread with a post explaining JUST THAT in it.

This gives the impression, ar least to me, that you never think you're wrong. At least not enough to reverse a previous decision.[/b][/quote]

By my estimation, you neglected to read TVE's post in this thread. Here's what he was talking about:

[url]http://otakuboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=24398[/url]

That link should speak for itself; maybe you should get out of Otaku Public more often.

From here on out, I'll just concentrate on responding to the portion of your post that attacks me. :D ;) :D ;)

[quote][b]And you're telling me I have trouble handling myself or dealing with other people??

I mean, of course, its pretty easy for me to make all this up, so if you think its all hogwash, then sure, I'm probably that guy in your pic.

But if you happen to believe me, then the real question is "How the heck did you get it so wrong?"

The final thing I would say is that whatever I've done on OB I don't think I've ever made anyone cry. Now I can't be certain because I only heard it from the person/s themselves, I wasn't there in the flesh to see them, but assuming what they told me is true, you have been responsible for that Charles.[/b][/quote]

I won't quote everything you just said--as to avoid making this post unnecessarily long. So, your story isn't omitted because I don't believe there's any merit in it. Well, not only that, but I don't feel like playing an "I have more experience with gay people than you do" game.

I can only form opinions about you based on what I see from you on OB. You often flaunt your age and come off as condescending and I find it ironic. Why would someone need to constantly remind others of their age, if not for the purpose of coming off as superior? You're an older man visiting a message board full of children and very young adults--and then you criticize their capacity to understand your underlying messages and such. And then you try to act like their savior with your silly, far fetched rhetoric.

Furthermore, I certainly don't remember you dismissing what you said in the very same post. I could have missed it, but I'm almost certain I didn't. The fact that there was confusion over this point can be attributed to your nasty tendency of posting vague messages. I can't be the only one who missed it--Transtic Nerve did as well, if memory serves me correctly.

As for making someone cry--what can I say? No one has ever come to me with any sort of problem stemming from one of my posts on the boards. If someone's harboring a grudge against me, then that's their problem. I can't be held accountable for those who dislike what I say when they never approach me about it. I'm not a mind reader.

In these situations, people can do one of two things. They can complain about it behind my back, or they can bring their issue to light with me. I can't force people to be honest and upfront with their feelings.

The people that I speak to on a personal basis actually [i]tell[/i] me if I've done something to bother them and I do my best to settle the issue with them.

[quote][b]The difference between your post and Sem's post is that while Sem was angry, he was not offensive for its own sake. He was a bit strong but that was due to his indignation. You, on the other hand, are simply malicious. You set out to cut me down, and then to point and laugh.

Although both of you have pretty negative things to say about me, Sem kept his eye on the ball and so was fair. His intent was not to offend but to make his arguments or points. Intentions are important. To me, they are probably one of the most important things when judging posts or people in general.

To me if a post hurts someone, then that is bad. But if a post sets out to hurt or offend, even if it doesn't end up achieving its aim, its worse. That's what I think of your post.

I cannot honestly understand how anyone can line up your post with my post early on, and come to the conclusion that you're a nice, rational and reasonable person. It seems, at least to me, the chip is firmly on your shoulder, not mine.[/b][/quote]

We don't need to limit the comparison of our posts to this thread. Drawing the line there, judging who we both are and where we stand based on two posts is a bit unfair.

I don't feel like playing a childish game--but if we were to really compare our behavior--[i]really[/i] compare it, I would say that you post more hurtful and inflammatory things than I do. I've never called anyone on these boards a "bimbo" that's for sure. You have though.

Unlike you, I don't need to remind every one of my accomplishments on a constant basis to fit into the groove here. I don't need to reinforce my age and experience and use that as a means to place myself on a pedestal above others. Look how many times you've laced your posts with metaphors--outright insulting the membership of these forums. If anyone is pointing and laughing, it's you.

I hate to beat this RPW thread like a horse (I can find more posts where you act similarly--that's not an issue), but it serves as yet another fine example to illustrate my point:

[quote][b]I swear that really bugs me no end. Why is it that 'kids', and by that I mean mid-teenagers or thereabouts, on anime Boards, have such a low tolerance level for effort? I mean come on. If you ever want to do something you gotta put some backbone into it. And if you want to build a community, you need to lead an example. *sighs*[/b][/quote]

See, that is what annoys me about you and that is why I made fun of you. You don't like it very much, do you? I read RPW on a frequent basis and it was made possible by younger people who go to school and have commitments and nevertheless tried their best to churn out quality 3,000 word posts.

You automatically disregarded all their efforts and reduced them to "lazy kids with no commitment."

Was my post any worse than that? Perhaps I should have included a green smiley or a wink. Would that have made it any better? :D ;) :D ;)

You're a grown man for goodness sake. It was only a picture of Comic Book Guy. I stand by every damn thing I said in that post--and plenty of others agree with me. I don't dislike you as a person; I barely know anything about you. But, I'm not a big fan of your Mnemolth persona.

Maybe, just maybe, you're not as tuned to others' opinions as you think you are. Do you really believe that you don't belittle people on a constant basis with your condescending posts?

You certainly aren't the "man of the people" you pretend to be. I'd go as far as to say that you're more egomaniacal and sit on a higher horse than any of our staff members. I know that you have a ball criticizing two administrators in their early twenties so frequently and this membership--but I don't think that you're doing it for anyone but yourself. You want to win petty arguments with the upper tier members of the boards to fuel your ego--that's it.

So, my former post wasn't really made to cut you down. It was really only a treat for all those who you've cut down in the past. What goes around comes around.

That's if you--[i]look at the smiley, look at the smiley, look at the smiley[/i]--catch my drift. :D

[TheShinje]

[size=1] Mod's are too strict? I don't think so. These boards are just fine.

I find the whinging, grating insults absolutely horrible to read. They are tainted with the infamous "holier than thou" aspect and deserve to be closed. James and chales have allowed this debate to continue on despite the flack they've copped from Mnemolth and others for being too strict.

If this place was so strict, I'd have been banned long time ago for the numerous user names thing. I am grateful the administration guiding and making these boards a much nicer place have given me another chance.

I gusee the only indifferemce of sort is about the Banning of Matt, however, I have disagreed passively with members banning in the past, and been rightfully put in my place. So in that respect, there must be a good reaso, I just don't know what it is.

To sum it up, if you don't like it, leave. James has been very tolerant of these attacks against the way he runs the Boards. If that is being too strict or intolerant for you, then I'd love to know what's leient. *thinks of lawlessness*

EDIT: I was in a rush when I first posted this, cleaned up spelling and grammar. [/size]

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

Sigh, is it me or is there almost always some person contesting the ways of OtakuBoards? I'm going to make this very short and bittersweet. If you don't like the way a board is run you have two options. You can either suck it up and try to act mature or like an adult. Or you can either leave the place, no one is forcing you to join this board. You're complaints about the mods job they are performing or reasons for closing threads aren't even half the time justified or thought out.

Now I'm not kissing :butthead: here or anything but I was a mod once and I know how the way things work here. The mods are not too strict and are enforcing the rules here to make this place the best it can be. You can go to any board on the net including my own board and find smiliar rules that are being inforced. The rules here are no different from other boards. So the chances are if you don't like them here you won't for other places as well.

So in short if you're don't like the mods or rules here suck it up, or don't visit the board. I think the mods do the best job they can and are only human. Even they can make bad judgement calls but so do the members of this board as well. Making a thread like this doesn't accomplish anything but whinning and that's just a waste of time.

[The Vampire: Ed]

Look! What's that in the sky? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Nope, it's the point. Obviously, it flew right on over Mnemolth's head.

You talk as if Charles was the one who started insulting you first. First of all, the topic is a discussion of the strictness of mods, not how Charles and James run Otaku Boards. So there is mistake number one, you went off topic. Not only did you go off topic, but you insulted them by acting as if you knew what you were talking about when you basically called them egomaniacs, then you called them intolerant. They can't be very intolerant if an ignorant person such as you is still allowed to post here.

No one is arguing with you because you think the mods are strict, people are arguing with you because, on your high and mighty throne, you decided it would be fun to go off topic and criticize the administration and take personal shots at them as well as it's members and mods, once again. You're messing with the higher up members, because you want to prove your superiority. You're obviously very insecure about yourself. Which is why it's [b]NOT[/b] just the mods who have problems with you.

Also, this smiley thing you do is rather ridiculous. You did it so you can act as if your statements were meant to all be in good fun, and not at all offensive to the person of whom you speak. Here let's see if this works.

Hey, Mnemolth, you have the intelligence of three men! That's right. Larry, Curly, and Moe. :) ;)

Now, does that seem any less offensive to anyone? Mnemolth, could you seriously just sit there and tell me that, that did not offend or anger you in any way? I doubt it. No matter how much you could try to claim that it did not, I seriously would think you're lying if you said it didn't bother you at all.

Here's the bottom line.

- James [b]DOES[/b] admit when he is wrong, and he acts rather mature about it.

- Charles [b]DID[/b] have the right to insult you for your ignorance, and uninformed remarks about how he along with James and the rest of the staff do things around here.

- Smileys [b]DON'T[/b] make insulting things you say okay. If it's offensive, and insulting, no matter what you say, a couple smileys isn't going to make it better.

- You're the one with an ego, and you're the intolerant one.

- Finally, I really think Mnemolth should be banned if he's going to continue to act the way he does. So, Mnemolth, be happy with James and Charles' tolerance of you, because many others, including myself, would be very tempted to toss you off Otaku Boards if we had a say in the matter.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i]
[B]James

Dealing with your first response only.

Its good. Certainly an improvement on some of the things you posted during the NL thing. I think you've given good explanations for why you do what you do. I think its also commendable that you haven't just looked at my post and throw your hands up and just started throwing things at me.[/b][/quote]

[color=#335062]I don't think I've ever just thrown my hands up and started throwing things at you.

Even during the Newbie Lounge discussion, I addressed your points and responded to them. I've never sat here and taken cheap shots at you. My observations have always been in direct response to your comments. I [i]could[/i] be flippant and just ignore your efforts, but I don't. And whether or not I agree with you, I don't ignore your efforts because I'm showing you respect. By typing this response now -- by taking the time and effort to explain myself, I'm showing you a form of respect.

This is why I take such exception to most of what Cloricus has posted in this thread. He [i]doesn't[/i] take the time to respond to individual points and he is often very vague about what he's saying (especially after someone has gone to great lengths to respond to him). I don't appreciate that. And while I disagree with you, I [i]do[/i] appreciate that you're willing to explain yourself and articulate your points in greater detail.[/color][quote][b]

In regard to your point about me creating an "us vs. them" scenario, I highly doubt that's the case. There are VERY FEW people 'with' me. Certainly, in terms of my criticisms of you and Charles, I don't see anyone 'with' me at all on this thread. So if I'm trying to set that up, I'm doing a very, VERY bad job of it.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]Yes, I think you [i]are[/i] doing a very bad job of it. But this is the kind of sentiment that often appears to be the backdrop to your posts.[/color][quote][b]

In regard to staff making mistakes, you say you're the first to admit that Mods and Admins make mistakes. That you guys aren't perfect. But you know something? I've never seen you apologise. Now, honestly, you may have and I might have missed it since I stay pretty much in Otaku Public, but no. I haven't seen it. Of course, you can do that privately, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about an unreserved public admission, a mea culpa. [/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]There are a couple of issues here.

Firstly, you aren't looking very far, are you? You are either not on here often enough, or you're not in the right places to see examples that contradict your accusations. Look at the thread that TVE pointed out to you. That's just one example.

The truth is, it [i]is[/i] in my interest to admit if I've made a mistake. You accuse me of not being honest about these things, yet I have certainly found myself in situations where I've been quite happy to admit a mistake publicly. I have no problem doing so.

But there is another point to this. You are sitting there, talking about the need for me to make these public admissions or wrong doing and whatnot. And you're doing so as though [i]you[/i] are the final say when it comes to judging my character. Just because [i]you[/i] haven't seen it, it can't have happened.

I'm quite happy to answer to the community at large -- and I choose to do so on a regular basis. I choose to explain my actions and I choose to clarify what I'm saying. Ultimately, that's the best I can do. [/color][quote][b]

For example, say you closed a thread, and you subsequently reconsider. Well, firstly, I don't see you reconsider much, you almost always stake your position and dig in. But, for the sake of argument, let's say you reconsider and decide that perhaps you were too hasty. I've never seen you reopen a thread with a post explaining JUST THAT in it.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]Once again, what can I say? Just because you haven't seen it happen, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

When the need arises, I'm more than happy to take a step back and reconsider a decision. I don't know what else I can add to that. [/color][quote][b]

This gives the impression, ar least to me, that you never think you're wrong. At least not enough to reverse a previous decision.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]Once again, I can only point to examples that others have brought up here. [/color][quote][b]

The other problem is that when you toss in your opinion in the same post as closing a thread, especially a controversial one, you give the impression that you want the last word. And to me, that has ego written all over it. What I'm saying is, if you want to close a thread, then do it, but don't add to the debate with your own views because no one can then respond publicly, no one can rebutt your points, and so it creates an unfavourable impression that you have the last word (not about the thread being open or close, that's your prerogative, but about the debate/discussion/argument itself).[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]Closing the thread is my perogative, yes. Whether or not I choose to include comment on the subject is [i]also[/i] my perogative.

Just as I am afforded this ability, so are Moderators and Category Moderators. And there are plenty of cases where [i]others[/i] have both commented on the subject [i]and[/i] commented on the thread closure in the same breath. Yet, that isn't being discussed here.

I certainly don't make any apologies for the basic privleges that are afforded to myself and other staff. Clearly, you take exception to these types of posts. But at the same time, it seems that you've had me and others in the site's leadership in your crosshairs as soon as any of us dared to disagree with you.

I find it hard to believe that you can accuse me of being egotistical here. Just about every post you make on this board is laced with egotism. Whether it's your frequent references to your age (read: intellectual superiority) or whether it's your thinly veiled put-downs of the membership at large, myself and others are forming an impression of you that is based on your own behavior.

In any of the discussions we have had, particularly on the Newbie Lounge, I have always done my level best to stick to the discussion at hand. That is, my interest has had nothing to do with critiquing your behavior, but rather, debating the actual subject. However, in just about every single discussion we have ever had, you've done little else but accuse me of being egotistical/rude/power hungry/etcetc

And frankly, I don't appreciate it. I especially don't appreciate that I'm being accused of the very traits that you yourself exhibit on a frequent basis, often without any in-depth critical analysis from me or anyone else. The very fact that you are here now, questioning, critiquing and accusing [i]without[/i] the thread being closed and [i]without[/i] being banned is, I would say, an absolutely clear example of the way I operate.

Others within this thread have perhaps been far more blunt than myself, when it comes to describing your behavior on OtakuBoards. And while you may accuse me of certain things, I can safely say that OtakuBoards is probably one of the [i]few[/i] places where you can get away with such frequent jabs at the membership and site leadership. If anything, I'm possibly being [i]too[/i] leniant with you, despite your contention.[/color][quote][b]


Now, I would like someone to please explain to me how you can find Charles a nice, reasonable and fair person to deal with when you put his post, next to mine (see second page), and then compare them.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]The only mistake Charles is making, if you can call it that, is in his frankness.

No, you're usually not that blunt. But you are much more venomous. Let's not make [b]any[/b] mistake about that.[/color][quote][b]

I mentioned something about "kids" but as Sem points out I do that all the time. I know for a fact that Juutheena didn't like what I said one little bit, but I did apologise for any offense that may have been taken.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]I think you [i]know[/i] that the constant displays of a superiority complex in your posts are offensive to those who can read between the lines (not that it's always necessary).

Yet, you still do it. You constantly do it. In my entire time at OtakuBoards, I've never talked down to the membership. Nor have I ever suggested that I am somehow more wise because I'm an adult and not a "kid".

I guess I just find it incredibly ironic that you're accusing me of being egotistical, when this is yet another example of something you need to be looking at within yourself. As I said, I don't feel that you're really in a position to cast stones when it comes to something like this. I could be wrong about your attitude, but it's hard to form any other conclusion when such sentiments arise in your posts on a consistent basis.[/color][quote][b]

And what was wrong with asking James for permission to do multiple threads again? Unless you mean the very fact that he allowed me to do it shows that he isn't too strict. I don't find that a very convincing argument in and of itself.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]I think the point that is being raised is simply that I didn't hold any kind of grudge against you. Despite what you'd said about me and the membership at large, I was still quite happy to support your effort.

Once again, I think you'd find that your behavior probably wouldn't be tolerated on other boards as it is here. The fact that, despite what you've said, you've still been able to work with myself and others in a positive way is definitely testament to the professionalism that people here exhibit.[/color][quote][b]

What kind of mature adult compares homosexuality to bestiality, for example? I think one of your Congressman did that. I should add here that I did dismiss it in the same post that I brought it up. And I have discussed this with gay friends of mine. Believe it or not, I'm probably closer to more gay people IRL than you or TN. I talk about sexuality politics all the time with some of my more political gay friends. And also I might add some feminist friends too. I've never been hit in the face. They have some idea about where I'm coming from. They're knowledgeable, they read alot and they're familiar with the main arguments that crop up. We discussed these things all the time. Or at least we did, until I moved cities. I used to live in the city with probably the greatest concentration of gay people in the southern hemisphere. I know their community, and I know their politics. And of course I know the laws that govern affect them and their lives.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]I didn't see you dismiss the statement. I didn't notice any dismissal.

Of [i]course[/i] you know all about gay people. Just as you know all about site administration, public relations and management.

I'm sorry, but I find this quote typical of your general attitude.

If what you said in that post (regarding the bestiality/homosexuality) issue was some kind of joke, or if you were saying that as an example of what an intolerant person might say themselves, then perhaps it's something that I can accept.

But I do remember that post distinctly. And my impression (as well as the impression of others), is that you were comparing homosexuality to bestiality. And that you were doing so seriously.

If that is indeed the case, then you cannot claim to know about the issues that confront gay people on a daily basis. You simply can't. To do so, having made a serious comparison like that, would be nothing short of fraudulent.[/color][quote][b]

As for my behaviour and dealing with people, I've been in teams at university, and I've led teams at university. I've been in teams at work in the private sector and I've led teams. I was Team Leader of a group of 10 people, their ages ranging from 20s to 40s. We won Best Team of the Month for Feb 2000. This is no small little company I'm talking about, this is a multinational, multi-billion dollar telecommunications corporation. I was also once an employee of probably the best known software company in the world. Working with law enforcement, I dealt with customs and police officers as well as executives of small to middle-sized companies (ie between 25 to 500 employees). I dealt mainly with the MD/CEO and IT managers.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]Oh geeze, here we go again. I'm sorry, but this is becoming such a habit in your posts. I'm not denying that it's true...I just kinda find it humorous.

I have also acted as a team leader. In my case, it was for two different companies. One was an industrial supplies company where I was responsible for administrating part of the offices and organizing approximately 40 people on a daily basis. In the other case, I was working with a group of around 10 people who were all in my age group (while in the former example, most of the employees were my senior by several years).

In addition, I have been responsible for dealing with Public Relations and Marketing departments for over 20 medium and large size publishing companies in Australia and North America. I have also coordinated joint PR events between both the media and publishers.

Do you want me to continue?

The point I'm trying to illustrate here, is that you're simply assuming that you know better than everyone else here. Why else would you trot out your life history for us?

To validate yourself. To validate your criticisms and to lend weight to the idea that yes, you are indeed our intellectual superior. Others might be impressed, but I'm not.

If I was as egotistical as yourself, I could definitely sit here and pull out a file with my professional experience. And I could quite comfortably sit here and tell you that on this basis, I am more qualified than you to speak on these issues. But I don't do that. And as I pointed out earlier, in my entire history here, I've never done it.[/color][quote][b]

And you're telling me I have trouble handling myself or dealing with other people??[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]Absolutely. The responses you've seen here (and the responses you've seen to [i]most[/i] of your arguments) are examples of that.

We don't need an extensive history in public relations to know when someone's behaving like an arrogant elitist.[/color][quote][b]

The difference between your post and Sem's post is that while Sem was angry, he was not offensive for its own sake. He was a bit strong but that was due to his indignation. You, on the other hand, are simply malicious. You set out to cut me down, and then to point and laugh.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]And your frequent jabs at the membership, as well as your constant assertion of intellectual superiority [i]isn't[/i] malicious?[/color][quote][b]

Although both of you have pretty negative things to say about me, Sem kept his eye on the ball and so was fair. His intent was not to offend but to make his arguments or points. Intentions are important. To me, they are probably one of the most important things when judging posts or people in general.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]Yes, intentions are important. What are the intentions of a senior, professional man with [i]years and years[/i] of experience in big corporations, who sits down at a computer for god knows how long, asking the administrator of an anime message board to explain himself?

I'm sorry, but I can't assume that your posts in this thread and others (like Newbie Lounge) had much to do with improving the quality of OtakuBoards in any substantive way. To me, they looked like nothing but exercises in massaging one's ego. I could be wrong, but hey...that's the feeling that the vast majority of people have walked away with, when reading your posts. If this isn't your intention, then I imagine that your public relations experience isn't being put to good use at the moment.[/color][quote][b]

To me if a post hurts someone, then that is bad. But if a post sets out to hurt or offend, even if it doesn't end up achieving its aim, its worse. That's what I think of your post.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]And that's what we think of many of your posts.[/color][quote][b]

When we speak of 'maturity' we ought not to use it as another form of discriminatory elitism.[/color][/quote][/b]

[color=#335062][b]Absolutely[/b]. Please take some of your own advice, Mnemolth.[/color][quote][b]

I'm on this Board because I want to be. I made the comments I did because although this Board works well, there is room for improvement. I critique the management because I have a different vision, and also because I happen to think they're not perfect.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]That's fine. And it's perfectly acceptable. Yet, there are others (in this very thread) who have been able to critique the site's leadership without causing such a frenzy.

Perhaps it's because these people are throwing in an honest opinion without making baseless assumptions. [i]Most[/i] of your contentions can be disproven by simply browsing around places other than Otaku Public. A large amount of your complaints are based on what you are assuming about me. You're assuming that because you may not have seen me apologize, that I never do. And yet, at the same time, other members are clearly telling you their experiences, which sometimes do infact involve an apology from me.

You're either ignoring that or you're simply not reading it. You can't have it both ways. You're continuing with these very same arguments, [i]despite[/i] evidence to the contrary that is being brought about for you. It's right here, you don't have to look far.[/color][quote][b]

Am I perfect? Heck, no. Am I more perfect than those I criticize? I have no idea. I've never run a Board. But I have been online for the better part of a decade. My first Bulletin Board was one of those dial-up affairs, long before WWW MessageBoards such as vBulletin. And you know, having been on many, many boards, and having seen many, many, many administrators and moderators work, I think its fair to say I have a little understanding of what I speak.[/quote][/b]

[color=#335062]You see? Here we go again. You've never run a board, yet you've been involved with them since the stone age and you probably fair to say that you played a role in inventing the Internet too. lol

Your wisdom on this subject is no more advanced or important than the views being expressed by other members in this very thread. Whether or not you ran a message board in 1926 is irrelevant. And whether or not you saw 100 or 1000 administrators and moderators work is also irrelevant.

They are irrelevant because every board is different. You were banned on several other boards (from what I remember from something you had said), yet you've not yet been banned here. That very fact alone indicates that OtakuBoards works differently to other boards. And that, generally speaking, every single board is different.

Your experience on other sites does not add weight to what you have to say here. We're not talking about how a message board works, really. What we're talking about is your dissatisfaction with me. You don't like the fact that I've had the last word on occasion and you would like nothing more than to see me apologize publicly (it doesn't seem to matter what I'm apologzing for, either). To me, that seems to have little or nothing to do with the boards themselves and how they're operated. It has more to do with the desire to claim victory over somebody else. It's about your insecurity and it's about your desire for intellectual superiority.[/color][quote][b]


You have to also understand, I see things from my perspective. You may see things differently from you perspective. Just because you're right doesn't mean I'm wrong. Its always good to learn, and to learn one has to understand, and a very good way to understand is by seeing through other peoples' eyes. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#335062]That's all fine and good. And I agree with that sentiment. But you yourself don't seem to have any interest in that idea.

Once again, let me summarize.

The vast majority of your complaints revolve around the way I've closed threads in the past. They revolve around the "egotism" expressed by myself primarily, and maybe by others too. You have provided examples of how my behavior has been egotistical. One of the principle examples you laid out was that you've never seen me apologize, which logically indicates that I always consider myself to be correct.

That on it's own is fine. But there are two problems.

1) The assumptions you are making are just that; assumptions. Yes, I have closed threads and made a comment about the subject at the same time. I'm quite happy to admit that and I have provided my opinion on it. If you are offended by that behavior, I apologize to you personally for it. It is not my intention to offend, and I'm sure that when other staff respond to closed topics, it is also not their intention to offend. However, you also point out the whole issue of me not apologizing and reversing decisions. But this is most definitely an assumption. You're assuming that it's the case because you have personally never seen otherwise. That leads me to my second point;

2) At the time of making this latest post, you apparently haven't read what others here have said. Just look at TVE's post. He posted that before you posted this most recent message. And his post is a piece of evidence that [i]directly[/i] contradicts the assumption you had made. Have you followed that link? Have you yourself apologized for making an assumption that was not based on fact? No, apparently not.

If you wanted to find the truth of the matter and if you wanted to "see things from another perspective", maybe you would actually follow these links and view the evidence. That way, you might actually find the truth of the matter. And at that point, at least some of your concerns could perhaps be laid to rest and the issue would have been dealt with.

Yet, here we are. You're still making the same assumptions without actually having any kind of evidence to support them. And at the same time, you're either ignoring or disregarding evidence to the contrary. So, as somebody who wants to make a logical conclusion, what is my impression? My impression is that you really don't have an interest in seeing things from any perspective other than your own. My impression is that this isn't about improving the situation at OtakuBoards, or resolving any issues with the leadership. My impression is that this is nothing but a ego-massaging exercise, with no intention to actually find a reasonable conclusion.

Once again, I could be wrong about that. But this is the impression I'm getting from everything you've said. And if you consider the [i]ample[/i] information that myself and others have provided (most of which you've missed or ignored), it's no wonder that people are getting a bit short with you. Just as you have the right to claim that I'm egotistical and whatnot, Charles and others have the right to critique [i]your[/i] behavior, which they deem as being inappropriate. The key difference is that they're now analyzing your comments point by point. But you are continuing to draw conclusions from assumptions that may or may not be based on fact.[/color]

[Epitome]

Geez James, how long did that post take you. LOL. Well Im glad to see everyones opinion on the topic, and I have come to the conclusion that... The mods arent too strict. But please feel free to still post on the topic.

[Raiha]

[COLOr=royalblue]Mods? Strict? *insane laughter* Please, spare me. Especially all of this petty bickering. Everyone here knows that James and Charles do a nice job considering what they have to work with. I'm not trying to brag, but I've been here since day 1, spent some time at the old UBB before it was replaced with VBulletin, and have never had any complaints about the way things were run.

Charles has an ego. So does my pet fish, but does that make me not like him? I know several of the mods here on a personal level, and they are all just people doing their jobs. I was a mod for a bit, I hated it, but I was a mod. I never had any reason to close a stupid topic or yell at some idiot. Not more than once anyways. But if people think that mods are strict, they probably have a problem with authority anyways. I was told to respect the people in charge, and I do. If I didn't, I wouldn't last a day.

Why argue? Mods are mods. And fish with egos are fish with egos. End of story.[/COLOr]

[Baron Samedi]

Hello Everyone *waves and then jumps back in case his hand is bitten off* is it just me or does this place seem too tense. The Moderators are doing their job- keeping this place nice and fair- as fair as they can make it. people's manners and attitude on this Boards are things that are part of each person. if people are too far.... up themselves and act like know-it-alls, well what can you do. if you want to bark at them- make a thread entitled "For real nasty people who like to shout and throw things". then argue to your hearts desire in there. Mods do a good job. they don't deserve to be dissed by people. if you have a problem- PM them. and keep a lid on the Anger. or go see a doctor. either or. Mods are Cool.

[XTreme777]

I personally think the mods are too strict.

[Semjaza]

You know, I just find this laughable.

Is anyone remotely surprised by any of the people who are actually complaining in here? I'm certainly not. I'm not even talking about Mnemolth or anyone else who actually comes up with reasons (no matter what they may be)... I'm talking about certain other people who are peppered in here.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to voice this opinion... but it seems like most of the people here complaining have been here for basically no time at all and have a poor post history. Still others have left here, only to return to basically stick a complaint post in here. Please, I implore most of you to even read the stuff some people consider things the mods where being strict about. It's ridiculous in most cases; perhaps not all, but a vast majority.

I don't know, but the people like this are the only reason why this place even seems/is strict at all. I don't know about any of you, but I don't want to be on a forum that functions like a chat room... regardless of anyone's opinions on who is a jerk and who isn't. There are plenty of crappy EZBoards around for that.

To add to that, no this isn't hypocritical. I'm not saying "Oh, say what you want... but anyone with a complaint, STFU!" Lord knows I've complained here in the past and still do. We all do for the most part. It's expected.

However, you really need to question credibility in most of these instances. Am I going to listen to the guy with a good post that's been here for a while (regardless of him loving or hating this place), or the guy with 5 posts that is complaining about how a mod said his post that said nothing but "Man, they r kewl!" was insufficient?

It's a bit ironic that most of the posts on the bad side seem to fit in the second category. Perhaps it's because the older members feel they have something to lose by complaining. It's possible. I certainly have no idea. However, considering how many times I've seen members themselves, rather than mods, jump on some guy acting like an *** and breaking the rules here, I'd have to say most people like the way things are right now, at least to a tolerable extent.

In the end, no one is forcing you to come here. You have your own free will, and are able to choose between this board and the thousands of others out there.

Edit for below - No lol. No worries.

[Baron Samedi]

XTreme777,

i know i have been here for only a while longer than you, XTreme777
but have you seen any of this place. or did you just want to say that the mods are too strict. mods do their job. you have been here for 5 mins and already you are complaining. Have you even seen them in action? i doubt it. so in the future just don't post, posts like that. if i had done something like that as my first or ninth post- i would of deserved to be kicked off the boards. you didn't even give reasons just "I personally think the mods are too strict." why? there may be more to this than i can see, but seriously- that was a bad post- with no evidence. hope you like OB. Have a Nice Day.

ciaou

~Baron~

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Semjaza- i hope that you weren't referring to me before. i think the mods do a great job.

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