Ki/Chi--Is it real?

[Guest iamrobin]

[QUOTE=Shinken]Does anyone else here believe that ki/chi (energy present in all living things) is real? I'm not talking specifically about the Kamehameha or something like that, I'm talking about that energy that some people can tap into to (temporarily) heighten senses, increase strength/intelligence, whatever. Well? Am I just insane, or does anyone agree with me that it exists?

(If you don't believe me, here's an idea; when you're lying in bed, and it's absolutely quiet, try to just clear any thoughts out of your mind. And if you feel this sense of strength, try concentrating on it becoming stronger/more intense.)<--This happen/work for anyone?

-I warned you I was loco. :alcohol: I'm serious, though.

So? Anyone agree with me?[/QUOTE]

Not at all crazy... that is completely real. Ever had just a really bad feeling, and had no idea why? Then, later, someone gets angry at you, you get in trouble, or something of the sort? The energy around you, as long as you're somewhat attuned to it, can tell you when something good or bad is coming. Keep an open mind and you'll be prepared for just about anything. I s'pose you could call me a hippie or something, I listen to new age, meditate, and spend my time not on the computer laying in the grass. :hippy: But then, I listen to metal, smoke, and do a lot of other things we won't speak of in here, also. :smirk:

[Terrax]

sure, the existance of Ki/Chi would explain a lot of things, also it would be very cool if there was.

[bishonenNEKO]

why not it makes sense. But it might also be a natural, not mysitical happening. Like instincts, do you think that is what this "energy" is reffering to? I dont know ill have to think it out now...

[Okita]

Almost everyone here believe Ki/Chi to be purely a mystical force, it is not, it is more of a concept than energy that can be harness, too much anime tends to exagerate or distort what it really is about... Personally I've never study enough to actually give a definite answer, but ki/chi represent life in general, it's meant to be a term to symbolise an individual's lifeforce, that's why everything living is suppose to have it even earth since it's technically a living thing.

Heard of the Gaea Theory? That's virtually saying that earth is alive, and it's a scientific approach to the concept of living earth, lifestream isn't some bs that final fantasy made up, it has real life connection

Chi/Ki does exist, or at least what it represent, to deny it is like denying that Buddhism exist...

[G/S/B Master]

[COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=1][FONT=Century Gothic]This is what I got from a forum about Tai Chi.

1. Go into a room where you will not be disturbed and there is relative quietness.

2. Relax and take in some deep breaths with the tip of your tongue pressed up on the roof of ur mouth... just behind teeth (breathe through nose). Also when breathing bring hands to about below bellybutton, facing upwards, when you breathe in lift your hands upwards, when you breather out turn your hands to face palm down and push downwards. All while being relaxed. Do this breathing for a while, you may begin to feel chi during this process.

3.stand with feet sholder width apart now and still relaxed, now bring your hands in front of you and hold them as if you are holding a basket ball in front of you.

4. if you can force some chi surges, if not don't worry. But try to let the chi flow from the dan tien (see of energy...located just below the belly button).

5. Start directing chi up through your body and down your arms to your hands. try to imagine as if the chi is like a balloon floating in the air and you are trying to push it gently through the air.

6. start concentrating on forming the chi into a ball. if it is working you will notice the chi, it probbaly wont be visible but you will feel something. most poeple describe it as if you are holding a north magnet against a north magnet.

7. now you have a ball of energy in your hands, enjoy.

If you wish to see the replies to this thread go [URL=http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum9/HTML/001412.html]here[/URL]. I recommend going to the forum. Since it gets more into the "Chi" topic.

Chi does exist. Just keep experimenting with the exercise above.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[KarmaOfChaos]

[SIZE=1][color=deeppink]Well, I think this is one of those things that really is different for every person. Things like religious beliefs, physical health, emotional health, and mental health play a very big part chi/ki, and the stronger you are in each of these, the more likely you are to feel comfortable with yourself and be able to find calm and truly get in touch with your chi.

I believe that we have some sort of mixture between soul and energy in our bodies and that the more we are in tune with it, the better our state of mind and body will be. I do not, however, think there is a simple process to getting in touch with it, it is an individual journey based on experience and personal feelings.

Meditation is one of the best tried-and-true methods for getting in touch with your chi, as are certain forms of martial arts. But again, it's different for each person.

As far magical balls of chi...I've got to say that I find that a highly unlikely thing. I definitely wouldn't want any of my chi leaving my body to go blow something up. I'd rather use it for energy to get up at 6 AM, ya know?

I really don't see how spontaneous combustion or how much we use our brains relates to chi...(if it does, does that mean if we have more or less chi, we have a higher rate of blowing up randomly? How about if someone is really stupid and only uses 8%...does that mean he can't access his chi?)

-Karma[/color][/SIZE]

[Shinken]

[quote name='KarmaOfChaos][SIZE=1][color=deeppink]...Things like religious beliefs, physical health, emotional health, and mental health play a very big part chi/ki, and the stronger you are in each of these, the more likely you are to feel comfortable with yourself and be able to find calm and truly get in touch with your chi...[/color'][/SIZE][/quote]

I'd have to disagree with that. I'm not exactly a "religious" person, in the common sense of the term. As for physical health, I'm overweight, so that kinda throws it out the window. Emotionally I'm fine, and mentally... I scare my own family. :blah: Just kidding. However, I'm not saying that these factors are wrong. Just that they don't apply for me.

[Infinite2002]

I was doing and online search on this topic and came across these forums and had to join so that I could participate in the discussion.

The first point I would like to make is this:

"Spontanious Human Combustion is caused when the electrical wiring in your body misfires so severally and for such a time that it catches the ignightable fat in your body on fire. This soon spread througout your body through you fat, and then eventually goes out do to lack of oxygen."

This is untrue from all angles of your arguement. SHC happens most frequently when the human body has consumed abnormally high amounts of alcohol and has incorporated it in the blood stream. The alcohol content makes the blood highly volatile and causes it to catch flame easily which makes the blood vessels throughout your entire body combustable, hence the name of the condition, "spontaneous human combustion." Being as how I had to study this phenomanon in my high school physics class to learn how this happening occurs, I have gathered that depending on the alcohol level of the "victim," or subject, if you will, even a high fever can cause the body to randomly burst into flame. The fever is caused by the body's natural reaction to the alcohol, which is why you become intoxitated to begin with, alcohol is, in essence, a poison for the human body. Other causes would be the sudden rising of the body temperature by standing too close to an open flame or standing under or near hot lights or even power lines that generate enough heat to trigger the reaction. The blood ignites and flames are so hot they are invisible to the human eye, much like the "invisible" flame that encompases a victim of a NASCAR accident who is covered by the doctored fule of the vehicle and is set aflame by the sparks from the explosion. Afterwhich, the body becomes nothing more than fragments of unburned matter and ash.

This is not me being a smartass but me stating a scientific fact. E-mail me at [email]Jay_tres2002@yahoo.com[/email] for links of data, photographs and reports of this instance.

The next point I would like to bring up is the existence of Ki and Chi. I've been looking into both rather frequently as of late. Ki psyonic energy and Chi is energy manifested in the physical. Chi is more closely related to Jing and gives the possiblity of "super" natural abilities of humans and even animals who have learned to harness this energy. The study of Chi originated in the countries of the Orient that studied a more effective method of hand to hand combat, searching for a way to become more powerful during battle. By realising the body uses some form of energy to live, as well as operate, they set out to distinguish the two forms. An electro static energy required by all living things to dwell in the physical is the Chi energy being discussed. It resides in larger amounts closer to the center of gravity where the majority of bodily activity takes place. Because we don't have a pre-installed "gyro" (an object which spins rapidly to create or control gravitiational force much like a planet) we must posses a way to balance ourselves, hence the energy is mainly focused there.

Those who study Chi will notice that control over the energy through their chakras, transfer and build up points of the chi energy, will enable them to take "superhuman" actions. Abilities such as increased strength, speed, endurance, flexibility, agility, psychic traits, and even telekineses are all possible when this energy is harnessed properly.

I will continue in my proceeding post.

[Infinite2002]

As I was describing in my preceeding post.

There is even scientific evidence behind this phenomena. By relaxing your body and utilizing your mental abilities to the fullest extent of your abilities you can gain further control and unlock hidden potential in the human physique. Your glands produce horomones which enable the brain to complete more difficult tasks and thus allows it to send more complex signals to the nerves which act obediently and send the "message," if you will to the corresponding parts of your body. The horomones cause a chemical reaction in the brain which allows it to manipulate internal matter, mainly fluids, the chemical reactions either speed up or slow down process in the molecular level causing a steady, yet powerful, increase or decrease in physical energy. The energy is then transferred along with the signal to the part of the body which has been "ordered" to act upon the "commands" of the brain. This is will allow you to understand the "unlocking" of our physical limitations. It is even believed that with enough dicipline and control over these energy transfers that even independent human flight or levitation may become possible.

Being as how we were designed to resemble God, we cannot fathom anything that is impossible to do in the physical plain, this includes but is not limited to Astral Projection or OBE (Outer Body Experience), which will be discussed later. With this said, even with the intervention of scientific experimentation, human beings can do wonderess things such as breathing under water without the aid of tanks filled with oxygen (proof of this would be the ability of a fetus to thrive without "dry" air to breathe inside of the womb), and even teleportation, which is being studied and defined as "jumping" through space through openings in space and time. This is possible by creating a "worm hole" and simply stepping through the "gate" and instantly stepping out of the other end. This is broken down into simpler terms which are, dare I say, "super speed," moving as such momentum the sudden vanishing and reappearance of and object of being appears spontaneous and instantaneous. In order to move from one place to another, one must travel a distance, teleportation simply speeds the process to unimaginable levels and also provides a "short cut," a shorter and more direct route to the traveler's destination.

Moving on from my digression, Ki is the mental dicipline that allows one to teach him or herself to manipulate things with one's mind. This has been demonstrated in real time numerous times. Telekineses and psychic abilities are simply harnessing the energy within the concious mind and manifesting it externally. The stronger this ability is the more this ability can accomplish. Altering an object's position, reading one's mind, sensing danger, and even transmitting thoughts from one's self to another are all possible, as demonstrated live on the Opera Winfry Shoe years ago by I man I cannot bring myself to identify presently as his identity I cannot recall. In any event, this man also demonstrated Astral Projection or an Outer Body Experience, if you would like, but randomly choosing members of the crowd to "touch," if I may with his mind. His body became limp and heavy as if lacking life and completely random members of the audience felt his presence and even contained proof of it for he had implanted a thought in their minds which he had only shared with Oprah previous to this demonstration.

Those who master this dicipline can progress as far as sensing presences and mental awarenesses of beings that are miles away at times.

On to the text topic of discussion, Jing.

Jing is the often destructive force linked to Chi energy. This energy is harnessed for self defense and those who agress often become weaker than normal because of lack of focus. Jing is demonstrated in Anime such as Dragonball Z/GT and YuYu Hakasho. This is the energy that many claim cannot only be felt, much like Chi and Ki, but seen. Although this remains to be proven, one can visualize his or her own Jing...with their eyes closed and in deep meditation of course. Jing can be used on objects, unlike Chi, as well on biological beings. Jing is often times deadly and associated with exacting aim and technique on pressure points and the explosive release of energy which destructively follows through far beyond one's striking distance. A master of Jing may possess a shocking, fiery, icy, abnormally heavy, and/or abnormally light touch; as are the 5 elements associated with the studies which are: lightning, fire, water, earth, and wind. These master posses exacting aim and technique and often do not attack unless provoked because their abilities are extremely dangerous and even deadly.

A master of the highest Dans may demonstrate its mastery by studying the subtle vibrations of the moving air around him or her and striking a distant target and causing it to either explode or implode, spontaneously expel settled dust and even by putting out candles without having blown at or even approached, let along observed visually.

Ultimately, what I believe about this subject does not matter at all, for the evidence I have been provided and shared with those open-minded individuals who have read this information has been proven to be legitimate, clear and concise.

[Infinite2002]

Also, I would like ta clarify the cause of SHC to cease. The flames only die out because of the lack of fule to burn NOT the lack of oxygen. If the flames were doused, or "suffocated," due to lack of oxygen the victim would have had to been contained in a vacuum. Thus, lack of oxygen is not an option because of the atmosphere's chemical make up, which is, I believe, if my memory serves correct, at least 20 percent oxygen, 77 percent nitrogen, 1 percent argon, and the final percent, hydrogen; helium; and other gases.

The fule I would be referring to would be the victim's flesh.

[the running man]

Hmmmm...I believe that maybe we can heighten our perceptions and things like that only to a certain extent life force could probably exist, for instance have any of you ever heard of those really expensive meditation places? I mean even though people never see it some claim that through their meditation that they can harness enough chi to even levitate, even though nobody has actually seen it happen.But that could be explained too.do you know about how for example if you skateboard or something like that when you're doing a really great, hard trick or something and your friends tell you to prove that you can do it, they peer pressure you and you can't stay focused on the trick so you get messed up.Only it might be slightly harder or something.I'm just saying that maybe someone has honed their skills enough to do something like that. or maybe it's a big, fat lie. what ever the case if they want to believe in it than they can, they just might be psychotic or something. I geuss you might really ever know if some body could circulate it or controll it or whatever.


P.S. sorry for this huge post M.C.L.

[chobit]

After doing multiple excercises for about a month,every night,I saw what I would call my "aura".It was really late at night,and I had taken some Gravol,so I don't know if the experience was actually real.

Anyways,I had been staring at hand for like an hour,when finally,the area around it turned an electric blue.

I later learned that there are two layers to the aura,and everyones first layer is blue.Most people,when trying hard enough,can see this layer.So,fab,I spent all that time for nothing.

[Guest lucia]

u are right i think their is chi in some part of ur body but the only way u can unleash it if u try hard but i may be wrong :confused:

[Lady_Rin]

Chi is a focus for our energy.

Energy is measured in joules and the human body carries an electrical charge of between 6.000 and 30,000 volt. The nervous system is a network of synapses that carry electrical signals from one point to another in the body.

My questions is how do you define what chi is or does. After reading the entire thread I now have questions.

Is chi a focal point for your being or the energy that is that being?

Ranger has something the military call situational awarness. He always seems to know what's going on around him. I've watched this for years. He seems to hear and see everything. He knows when to act or react and when to ignore something. He has an uncanny ability to avoid traffic accidents with all of the toursits that drive here in an area with a very high accident rate.

When we go flying he knows where every plane is weather he can see it or not even if his last update was ten minutes ago. He's never startled, never jumps or panics. He says it's focus and situational awarness then shrugs it off. Chi (not a chobits)?

Your aura, chi, tao, energy does exist, it is part of Gaia the earth and you can't separate from it. Some people can focus it extremely sharp, like Ranger and aren't even aware of it. They may not even know what it is that gives them that abiltity or how to use on command. I think that Ranger and I may have short circuited that energy once in N. Wales at a set of faerie rings in County Canaerveon(sp). Stone rings like those and at Stonhenge have great power and are focal points for energy. Ranger says there are many such points here in the desert and has taken me to a few. He's right, Pinto Basin is such a place. Incredible power in the middle of nowhere.

I still don't understand it. It is there, and it does work.

[Tatsubei Yagyu]

I believe chi/ki and stuff. I think that everyone has it, but pretty much no knows how to harness it, just like telekinesis. :)

[Xander Harris]

[QUOTE=Shinken]Does anyone else here believe that ki/chi (energy present in all living things) is real?
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I believe we have souls, which is sort of like that. As to using our souls to perform gravity defying martial arts feats and cloning techniques and other sorts of Naruto type stuff... yeah, I think you're loco ;-)

I do however, think that perhaps it is our souls which allow us to have true free will. Just a thought.

[desertranger]

[QUOTE]
Stone rings like those and at Stonhenge have great power and are focal points for energy[/QUOTE].

I grew up in the desert. I have visited and played in places of "Great Power" like the Crystal Rock in Tahquitzs Canyon and the Healing Caves in Chino canyon. Pinto Basin is an incredible focal point. There was a temple in Thailand at Chang Mai another in India. All places where you can feel the energy, the power flow through you.

[QUOTE]
Ranger says there are many such points here in the desert and has taken me to a few. He's right, Pinto Basin is such a place. Incredible power in the middle of nowhere.[/QUOTE]

Here you will either feel incredibly powerful or totally insignificant. You need to be there on a moon filled night don't go there on a moonless night.


[quote name='Milady']I think that Ranger and I may have short circuited that energy once in N. Wales at a set of faerie rings in County Canaerveon(sp). ][/quote]

Ah.... yes. I remember that very well. I was wrong to go there even with the power of the desert in me. I was even more wrong to force Rin to go there. I had never felt anything like it not even in Tahquitz Canyonm which is the focal point for great evil. It was also the second time in my life I ever sang a Wyxla. the first time was in Tahquitz Canyon when I was a teen.

[quote name='milady']...call situational awarness. He always seems to know what's going on around him.[/quote]

I never get lost, even when flyng without nav aids. I know there's a rattler there before I even see him. I can focus and hit a target in the 9 or 10 ring at 1000 yards, most of the time. I'm not a tracker but I do as well as my friend Chuck who is. I seem to be able to work through incredible pain, espeically when climbing or on search and rescue. I can always point to my car even if im in the middle of the Wonderland of Rocks miles away from it. I ask my guests, where is the bus. 90% of them can't do it. I can make a fire without matches in less that 60 seconds.

What is that? What makes that happen? Chi? [size=1]not a chobits[/size]

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[MoonlitStairway]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]To me, it seems to be an interesting factor of interpretation. Having been deeply anti-religious for the majority of my life, I was heavily skeptical to the existance of chi/ki, especially since one of the prime conceptions of it is in relation to Budhism.

However, because of a close friend of mine, I've reinterpreted chi and ki, or whatever you wish to call it, and have begun to do meditation along with a method known as Chi Manipulation.

In my personal belief, the actual manifestation of chi into a physically controlled form in order to release in a concentrated blast ( if you need reference, any type of energy blast. ), is too far from control to a normal human. The power we can control at our fingertips is limited at best.. However, I do believe that eventually, there will be a time in which a human will be able to unlock that certain degree of control, it is even conceivable as a matter of evolutionary process.

As for what Chobit said about her experiance.. er... I'm going to have to disagree with that. The Gravol might have been what influenced your "experiance." As for the manifestation of your chi in blue form, I think that is merely an interpretation. Having never been proven to be true, it is often seen that one can imagine chi as a certain color comforting to them in some way in order to properly channel it. For example, via color association during Chi Manipulation, I interpret my positive chi as a light blue shade, while the negative chi is more of a murky black color. This is merely a method in which we can associate ourselves to the chi, similar to how we apply certain labels to people in order to properly identify them in a way we are comfortable with.

Often the idea of chi manifestation comes up in physical contact, or otherwise combat. However, it is an interesting topic when one finally decides to try and apply it. The best I have been capable of doing, would be to simply use briefly fast chi manipulation to heighten my senses by relaxing my body.

NOW, one will say that it is crap for me to state such a thing. Is it? Consider this, the scientific proof that if focused correctly, our brains can induce a slight sense of different perspectives can occur, often relaxing our bodies. In addition to this, breathing exercises are used to calm a person, allowing them to respond in a clear way to the situation around them. This of course could be something else, but I naturally associate it with the control of your own chi to a certain degree. As a result, in combat, one could use Chi Manipulation as a method of beginning the fighting styles such as Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do.

Even the development of resilience for things such as Russian Sambo, or Marine style tactics, revolves around the heightening of senses and application of your own adjustment to pain and suffering. The chi in your body has to adjust itself by your control for such a thing to occur.

Wounds, injuries and violent markings are another intriguing topic for the matter. Often, it is believed that by using meditation to calm one's self, the wound can be healed faster. Scientifically, if the body is relaxed ,it is guaranteed that the wound upon said victim, will heal faster. If you think about a broken bone for example, the usage of the part of your body with the bone will cause improper healing or even a lack thereof. However, if your body relaxes and you cease usage of that particular part of your body, the bone will heal effectively.

So really, I use meditation to allow my body to relax and become fluently tranquil, clearing my mind to allow certain reactions at heightened senses. This is capable for all people, if they simply show the patience necessary to do so.

On another note, and my apologies for this lengthy post, I do believe it is possible to eventually use methods known as telekenesis and such. Currently, not so much, due to the lack of power applied in our brain usage. Meditation and Chi control, in my view, are essential to such evolutionary forces.

And with that, I'll end this post, hopefully this was somewhat enlightening to those who bothered to read it.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Guest Cole-Fu]

[size=1]I practice Tai-chi and kung-fu soo that may just be my reasoning... The guy who talked about the energy ball earlier and how to do it, there are a couple flaws in the steps. First, the vai-fwut-sao was not described perfectly ( the breathing and hand motions) On step two of the process it should be....

2. Relax and take in some deep breaths with the tip of your tongue pressed up on the roof of ur mouth... just behind teeth (breathe through nose). Also when breathing bring hands to about below bellybutton, your hands in a praying position, turn your hands toward your front, your hands may look somewhat like tiens little tri beam except spread apart at this stage bring them back into your belly button and push out. Repeat in a fluid motion. try to breathe out when your hands go out and breathe in when your hands go in.

That is key. You are flushing out the bad chi in this process, therefor that is how the hands should look during this time.

Also.... Karma of chaos said....

[QUOTE].Things like religious beliefs, physical health, emotional health, and mental health play a very big part chi/ki, and the stronger you are in each of these, the more likely you are to feel comfortable with yourself and be able to find calm and truly get in touch with your chi...[/QUOTE]

This is entirely untrue. Some people pracice chi just for the benifit to become strong. That is probably how negative chi is formed.

Today my sefu called me out to break boards. 3 of them. I stepped up, gathered my chi, and struck the boards. Two of them split instantly the third was only cracked. If i had not gatherd my inner chi, this would not have happened. I would be posting o nthese message boards of how i splintered my hands.

Part of board breaking is strenghth about 1 third of it is technique. I close one eye when i do it, for the sake of accuracy, drop into a horse stance, and strike the center of the wood with my chi. [/size]